comment #1

StewartforPresident says ...

"2978 Stiffs"

I know you and many others are against the war(myself included), but "stiffs". I am just as disgusted by those that hide behind the Soldier's and use them as a defense for their failed policies, ie. not supporting the war = not supporting the troops. Those stiffs have mothers, fathers, spouses, children, and friends show a little decency and recognize that calling them stiffs could be considered a little callous.

Yes, they are dead and not coming back, but show a little respect.

comment #2

Dixon Steele says ...

Hey, Jeff, if it was your brother who'd been killed in Irag, would you be calling him a "stiff"?

Nah, didn't think so.

I reaize this is your attempt to be a tough guy, but knock it off. It's really not working.

comment #3

MathewM says ...

Your use of the term "stiff" is idiotic to say the least--and disrespectful (not that you have earned any respect being a second rate gossip reporter). Considering that most of the soldiers in Iraq are killed by road side bombs or some other hostile form of warfare the term "stiff" doesn't apply.

comment #4

Devin Faraci says ...

These guys are right. All those soldiers logging on from heaven's very excellent cable modems are quite disrespected.

comment #5

MathewM says ...

"These guys are right. All those soldiers logging on from heaven's very excellent cable modems are quite disrespected.

Posted by Devin Faraci"

Weak jab at sarcasm. First off why is this posted on a movie website? I visit cnn.com and read my own newspaper for this kind of news. Second, Jeff could of worded this any other way but he went the shit-head route. Not only that but he use of the term "stiff" doesn't reflect how these soldiers died. It ain't a movie, Jeff, these soldiers were not strangled to death and found in a Raymond Chandler novel. Unfortunately many of these soldiers died much more horribly.

comment #6

Devin Faraci says ...

Enough with the "This is a movie website" whining. I get the same shit from dummies at my site, and it comes down to this: movies don't happen in a vacuum. And this isn't your site. It's Jeff's, and he'll post what he likes.

Second, you're right - they did die horribly. Maybe he should have said they were "iced by the Bush administration for no good reason."

comment #7

MathewM says ...

Still not a good excuse. Jeff treats HE like a personal blog. That's fine since blogs are widely considered to be amateur forms of personal journalism.

comment #8

christian says ...

good thing we went over to stop them from killing here again. too bad they're dying over there though.

one word:

impeach.

comment #9

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

I know this is a movie blog, thats why I come here and have been reading Jeff since moviepoopshoot for that reason. I enjoy reading his well written reviews and other ramblings(Lord of the Rings not with standing).

But when he says something stupid, it is our responsibility to call them on it. It diminshes the anti-war argument to go down to the "stiff" level( stiff level, heh).

Would he refer to the 60,000 to 300,000 Iraqis killed as stiffs, probably not and neither would I. By using that specific term he marginalizes the impact of thier deaths, and only when that death is recognized for what it is, Bloody and Final, will people fully realize its impact and stop the war.

comment #10

Craptastic says ...

Using the word "stiffs" is pretty low and uncalled for. I'm against the war (to put it mildly) but at least I have enough respect for the soldiers of this country not to say something of that magnitude. That's just wrong, cold and heartless, Jeff. You just lost a reader.

comment #11

Devin Faraci says ...

People are really offended by this? Truly, we are a nation of crybabies.

comment #12

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

What a well written and insightful retort. I acknowledge your superior insight and intellect, you sir are truely a giant among men.

comment #13

Joe Leydon says ...

Jeff, I know you've said that you like your postings to read like you had at least one or two drinks before you sat down at the keyboard. But the use of "stiffs" in this context is really quite inexcusable. I nailed Poland when he made a snarky comment some time back about your supposedly "pimping" pictures of your son to attract gay readers. Well, now I'm going to nail you for this: Most of those "stiffs" were men and women around the age of your son -- and, yes, around the age of my son. But they will not get any older. They were human beings, not figures in a video game or characters in a slasher movie. I'm sure you will feel tempted to respond with a smart-alecky comment. Please don't. Not unless you want to demonstrate a total lack of class.

And just in case any other anti-war types want to flame me for this: Don't waste your time. I was protesting stupid US-led wars long before most of you were born. And I agree, this one is positively criminal. But that doesn't excuse "stiffs."

comment #14

Devin Faraci says ...

America: Where we would rather log in and complain about someone calling the victims of an unjust war "Stiffs" than do anything about the unjust war.

comment #15

Joe Leydon says ...

Excuse me, Devin, but just how do you know people who sign in here haven't done anything about this unjust war? How do you know they haven't donated more to political causes, or written more letters to Congressmen, or generally kicked up more of a fuss, than you? Don't you think your remark smacks of, well, arrogance?

comment #16

Argen says ...

Yeah? What have you done lately, Faraci? Let's compare notes.

comment #17

Devin Faraci says ...

I think the effort you put into rebuking Wells for a thoughtless word choice could have been put into another letter to a Congressman.

Seriously, who gives a shit what word Wells uses? How can anyone honestly get offended by it? I am baffled here. What's offensive is that 2978 are dead, not that some guy writing about movies uses the word "stiffs" to describe them. But it's a sign of the hyper-sensitive culture that people get caught up in THAT instead of the real issue.

And why isn't it arrogant to demand that Wells use the terms that YOU like and YOU find properly respectful?

comment #18

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

What would you recommend I do.

Write Congressman. Done.

Write Senator. Done.

Write President. Not done.(I don't think he can actually read)

Disagree with others face to face. Done

Vote against anyone who authorized the War. Done.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Other than complaining about people complaing about the term "stiffs" and not doing anything about an unjust war. I think you have that covered.

comment #19

Devin Faraci says ...

Stewart, take the time you have spent getting cross with a guy who writes a movie blog and has no impact on policy and whose use of the word "stiffs" will not end the war or bring back the dead or send their immortal souls to hell and repeat those steps you laid out again.

comment #20

Joe Leydon says ...

Nice try, Devin, avoiding the question. I would have expected as much.

And BTW: If you are "baffled" because people are upset that Jeff referred to 2978 dead men and women as "stiffs" -- that is, if you cannot or will not understand why that is so offensive -- then your lack of basic human insight is quite extraordinary. Indeed, given that profound lack, I can only assume that your film criticism is quite worthless. I almost wish that you were for the war. I am uneasy to know that the likes of you are on my side.

comment #21

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

I am not mad a Jeff or you, I just wish he would be more careful the way he words things. Not for PC reasons, but because it makes it easier for the other side to dismiss those arguments.

I think we are one the same page in our feelings on the war.

However you have to realize it makes it harder to convince others of your cause, when someone who has a voice(yes, Jeff has a voice) says something idiotic.

comment #22

Craptastic says ...

Devin... you're not seeing the point here. The issue of Wells using the word "stiffs" is not about who's doing what to stop the war. Its about a hack entertainment writer being COMPLETELY insensitive and unprofessional. A lot of people read this site and Wells needs to stop and think about the fact that maybe one of his readers has lost a loved one to this unjust, illegal war.... and would not enjoy having that loved one being refered to as a "stiff". Like I said-- completely unprofessional.

comment #23

Devin Faraci says ...

I'm not avoiding the question. There's a self-righteousness involved in getting snippy about something like this - a need to display in public how right-minded you are. It's not even like people are trying to argue for or against an opinion, which at least makes sense - it's just bad, thoughtless word choice. I read that and thought, "Jesus, Wells," and moved on to the next item. But I have a grasp of reality that includes understanding that calling dead US soldiers "stiffs" is really meaningless and carries no weight.

But please, stay up in arms. It will reinforce your self-image and show others who frequent this blog how compassionate you are.

comment #24

Devin Faraci says ...

Craptastic - how would they like to hear about how their loved one died in an "unjust" or "illegal" war - ie, for nothing. In order to show proper respect, you're going to need to either support this war or keep your opinions to yourself.

comment #25

Joe Leydon says ...

It's not self-righteousness, Devin. In the end, it's simply good manners. If your parents failed to teach you the value of civility and sensitivity, I sure as hell won't take the time. As we say in my native New Orleans: There are some people that, if they don't know, you can't tell them.

comment #26

Devin Faraci says ...

Joe: Civility is swell. So is sensitivity. But let's not get all Dr. Phil about it.

comment #27

Craptastic says ...

No its not self-righteousness... its calling someone on not being a responsible journalist. Its the same thing you suggested about writing your congressman/woman or senator. Calling them on something you perceive as wrong.

If you want to see that as being self-righteous-- go ahead, that's your opinion. But according to you... I should keep my opinions to myself. Very American of you, chumly.

comment #28

Devin Faraci says ...

By which I mean, unless this has caused you some psychic damage, why get up in arms about it? At least Stewart presents a modestly reasonable argument, but the truth is that there will always be the fringe who will get too much attention.

comment #29

Devin Faraci says ...

Craptastic - I was taking your own "Be respectful" line of reasoning to where it eventually ends up. And that's not reductio ad absurdum - there are people who very much believe that.

As for professionalism - i don't see why having an opinion or using a phrase you don't like is unprofessional. Especially for a guy who writes about movies.

comment #30

Argen says ...

The main flaw in your initial argument is that the comment leavers (and host) of this site are somehow representative of the country as a whole. Should that day ever come I volunteer to hand out the cyanide pills.

comment #31

StewartforPresident says ...

"But I have a grasp of reality that includes understanding that calling dead US soldiers "stiffs" is really meaningless and carries no weight."

Devin,

Jeff is a professional writer, and has in the past made reference to his meticulous use of certain words. I do not think he used the word "stiff" without some type of meaning behind it, negative or otherwise, and it does carry weight.

It dehumanizes them.

I may be wrong but I have yet to find one news article that uses the word "stiffs" that may have influenced him.

comment #32

Craptastic says ...

Maybe I have had someone I loved die over there and I don't like him/her being refered to as a "stiff".

Its unprofessional because he is obviously not thinking about his readers.

comment #33

StewartforPresident says ...

On the lighter side.

You would be amazed at the Google results for "2978 stiffs".

comment #34

Devin Faraci says ...

Stewart - you raise good points, but even if Jeff used the word completely on purpose, and that purpose was to dehumanize the war dead... so what? He's obviously espousing a crackpot opinion - do you go to every racist web site and try to correct the opinions of the white warriors?

And Craptastic, sorry, but being a professional has nothing to do with coddling your readers and making sure you never hurt their very sensitive feelings. In fact, an opinion writer probably has to do the opposite of that to be effective.

comment #35

MathewM says ...

Something tells me that Jeff posts these articles partially in hopes that people will keep logging into his site just to argue. The best thing to do is just skim past the article (like 90% of Jeff's other articles) and move onto another site. You can tell Jeff's clout in Hollywood has slipped quite a bit just based on the number of redundant (how many topics do we need on daily box office numbers?) of threads to fill up space.

comment #36

Craptastic says ...

There's a difference between coddling and being respectful. "Stiffs" is a nameless, derogatory word used for the dead. If someone refered to one of your family members or best friend as one, I'm sure that'd spark a little something inside of you as well.

comment #37

Devin Faraci says ...

Of course it's coddling. You want to be coddled. You don't want to read anything that might upset you. You've said as much. Sadly, if you want to take part in the free exchange of ideas you have to be prepared that people may say things that you don't like, or that even upset you.

comment #38

Devin Faraci says ...

And btw, are we so through the sensitivity looking glass that "stiffs" is a derogatory word? It's callous, but it's not derogatory.

comment #39

MathewM says ...

One last thing and I'm done. If Jeff harps on the "too sooners" for not wanting to see United 93 then why belittle the soldiers who have died in Iraq? Because you don't agree with the war? Or is because you're showing us your true colors of an elitist like that dweeb Joel Stein who figures that most of the soldiers are probably republican voters who deserve to die for "their" cause. That's not really what Joel Stein said but you know that is what he meant when he said that he didn't support our troops.

comment #40

StewartforPresident says ...

"Do you go to every racist web site and try to correct the opinions of the white warriors?"

No, because they dehumanize people for a reason, so they feel no guilt when the harm them. And because I have no inclination to go to those websites, thats the job of the Soutern Poverty Law Center.

"He's obviously espousing a crackpot opinion"

Correct. But hopefully he is open-minded enough to admit when he is in the wrong.

"Sadly, if you want to take part in the free exchange of ideas you have to be prepared that people may say things that you don't like, or that even upset you."

Their is nothing sad about about people saying things you don't like or offend you, its healthy, it means your thinking. "Stiffs" was ment to be disrespectful not thought provoking.

comment #41

Devin Faraci says ...

"Do you support the troops?" is the new "Are you now or have you ever been a communist?"

comment #42

Craptastic says ...

Devin--

First, I've said nothing about not wanting to participate in a "free exchange of ideas". Fuck, I'm debating you, arn't I? My beef is based on a derogatory word. That is not "an idea". Its used because you are either inconsiderate or as a cop-out when you've got nothing left to your argument.

Second, I find you to be extremely condescending. I'm done with you.

comment #43

MathewM says ...

"It's callous, but it's not derogatory."

Of course it's callous, un-called for and something the majority of us HE readers do not come to this site for. Face it Devin, you're the only one here attempting to defend Jeff who is probably out coddleing his kids with some of their grandparent's money.

comment #44

Devin Faraci says ...

I'm not defending Jeff. I'm calling the rest of you crybabies. There's a big difference.

comment #45

Devin Faraci says ...

Craptastic - consult a dictionary. "Derogatory" does not mean "makes me sad inside."

comment #46

MathewM says ...

"I'm calling the rest of you crybabies.
Posted by: Devin Faraci "

Yeah and you probably talk with a lisp like your hero Jeff Wells.

comment #47

StewartforPresident says ...

Alright I'll play.

What exactly makes us crybabies.

Or you definition of a cyrbaby.

comment #48

Devin Faraci says ...

Yeah, I'm pretty much a big faggot. That's what you're insinuating, right? You get really pissed off about a generic statement aimed at nobody, but you're pretty OK with making personal homophobic insults. You're a grand example of what's wrong with people.

comment #49

MathewM says ...

"You're a grand example of what's wrong with people.

Posted by: Devin Faraci "

And you're not? I knew you would take the bait with the lisp comment. Jeff's got two kids so I don't think he's a "homo" but he does sound like a girly-man when he talks. I wish I still had an mp3 of that little tantrum he threw back when he was having technical problems with his podcasting software. Pretty damn funny stuff.

But anyway you're calling us crybabies which is basically saying the same thing.

comment #50

Devin Faraci says ...

Stewart, what makes you guys crybabies right now is getting all butthurt about some movie blogger's opinion (and again, I just think he used a dumb word, and wasn't actually stating the opinion that he doesn't care about the dead at all, but for the sake of argument...). If the sentiment had been "Man, am I glad StewartforPresident's mom is dead and I just wish I had been the one who did it," I could see getting upset.

But it's this "I don't like what you said and I am going to get up in arms about it instead of doing the rational thing and ignoring it" attitude that equals being a crybaby. Even if you had a legit reason for getting upset about "stiffs," whatever happened to thinking to yourself, "What a dick" and moving on? Do we really need everyone who says something we don't like to go and apologize? Are we so sensitive now? It reminds me of the whole Michael Richards/nigger thing... instead of rationally shrugging the stupidity off, large segments of the population got totally agitated about it. Shrug this shit off.

comment #51

Craptastic says ...

But Devin... we're engaging in a free exchange of ideas with you. lol!

I love how he goes ape-shit when someone says he may have a lisp = calling him gay.

comment #52

Devin Faraci says ...

I didn't go apeshit, Craptastic. Unlike you, I have a basic understanding of language, and I can recognize a veiled homophobic insult when it's so poorly lobbed at me. And I don't care if MatthewM thinks I suck cock at Port Authority for my rent - I just wanted to point out that he's a dumb, and a hypocrite.

comment #53

Craptastic says ...

"I just wanted to point out that he's a dumb, and a hypocrite"

Understanding of language indeed.

Remember what I said about derogatory words being used when your argument has run out of gas? You just took the cake, chumly.

comment #54

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

One last thing before I hit the commute home. This made the afternoon fly by.

I don't want an apology from Jeff nor do I expect one. I have neither ranted or stomped my feet in any post I have made. or in reality either.

When someone says something stupid in the public domain, it is our god given right to tell them they are full Shit and call them on it. Jeff was wrong, and I called him on it. If he wanted to debate this directly I would be more than happy. However he has no real defense other than, "It was just mistake" or he would look like a callous douche.

And when he posts something like this he is no longer just a movie blogger.

comment #55

Devin Faraci says ...

Stewart, I don't disagree with calling someone out sometimes. I am reacting to the tone I am getting from the rebukes to Wells, this tone that makes it sound like the commenters came home to find Wells doing a Natasha Lyonne to their dogs.

comment #56

MathewM says ...

BTW how does it make us "crybabies" just because we don't like how Wells used to the term "stiffs" to describe dead soldiers? I have a feeling a soldier who reads this or more importantly a loved one of a soldier who reads this would take offense. Would you call them a crybaby too?

comment #57

StewartforPresident says ...

Devin,

I understand where you are coming from, but Jeff opened himself up to it by

a. By making a stupid comment(I think we all agree on that)

b. Making a stupid comment about something people feel passionate about. The war in Iraq and Americans dying. (which we are all against apparently)

If you throw a grenade, you had better be prepared to back it up.

comment #58

Craptastic says ...

Fuck... gotta stoop to your level, Devin.

"Commenters came home to find Wells doinga Natasha Lyonne to their dogs"?

You're a complete boob.

I have a loved one who died over there and am upset that Wells would refer to that person as a "stiff". Yes, its still fresh in my mind and seeing that has made me upset. I DO NOT appriciate the comment and am making my opinion known to him. I'm not calling for his head on a plate. All I ask is that he try to be more careful with his wording and know that his words reach more people than the one sitting in front of his computer screen.

comment #59

Ian Sinclair says ...

What a load of politically correct parsimonious bullshit this thread is. You should all head out to a semantics seminar. Or go screw yourselves. Or preferably both.

comment #60

Craptastic says ...

Go grab some more Hot Pockets, Ian. I think they're ready.

comment #61

gruver1 says ...

Wells to complainers: Honest, it just came out that way. If it matters to anyone, I apologize for using that word, but is there really & truly that much of a difference between the words "bodies," "corpses," "deceased," "departed," "dead guys", etc.? I really can't bring myself to say "honored dead", given the total absence of honor in what we've been doing over there since Hussein was toppled. (Ask any half-honest veteran of thatconflict.) To me, a stiff is a dead body...it's impersonal, of course, and implies that the dead person was of no particular distinction, importance or consequence. Stiff simply means the condition of rigor mortis, which is the universal biological result when a person (good or bad) expires. Okay, maybe a little bitterness leaked in...the idea of men and women who lived and breathed and had warm bodies and blood pumping through their veins being reduced to inert matter because Bush '43 had a obsessional/fanciful agenda he wanted to serve. And I thought, they aren't dear & departed but stiffs -- people with their lives neutralized & masde still, and for what?

comment #62

Ian Sinclair says ...

I don't eat junk food, Craptastic, just junk posters, and for breakfast.

comment #63

MathewM says ...

We know what a stiff is Jeff. However what purpose did you have in posting it? There's little of substance in your original post--There's nothing there except bitterness, something we all feel however by posting it you've done a good job of bringing more ill-will amongst your readers.

comment #64

MathewM says ...

BTW the soldiers are doing more over there than you lead on. Attempting to uphold peace, train Iraqi soldiers, re-building the country's infrastructure. You're just so numbed by your own agenda that you will not admit these things. We, the U.S. may have broke Iraq but to insult the soldiers who are attempting to rebuild it by calling them "stiffs" makes you look pathetic.

comment #65

Craptastic says ...

Phhtt... I love that Wells apologizes but then goes on a rant about why he was right. Typical.

Wells, you can talk about the literal meaning of the word all you want... but in this society (and you know DAMN WELL) its not respectful. I'm not saying you had to say "honored dead". How about just "dead"? Can't you bring yourself to say that? How hard is it?

You say:
"To me, a stiff is a dead body...it's impersonal, of course, and implies that the dead person was of no particular distinction, importance or consequence."

What the fuck?! Are you saying that all of the soliders that died are of no importance? The ACT of this war is of no importance. Not the soliders. They're doing what a bunch of jackass liars on a hill told them to do. Most of the time, there's no choice for them. You have to sepparate the soldier from the war. These guys are no different than those who served in WW I, WW II, Korea... and so forth.

You're the guy who spit on my father when he came back from Vietnam.

comment #66

StewartforPresident says ...

Ian,

You don't even know how to use parsimonious in a sentence.

You parsimonious bastard.

Jeff,

I understand your bitterness towards Bush.

Yes there truely is that big of a difference in the meaning of those words, hell you should have interviewed enough screenwriters too know that one word came make the difference in a movie scene and how it plays out.

I just think you need to remember that the soldiers are the victims in this war, and Bush is the one you need to direct your bitterness at.

comment #67

Craptastic says ...

Well said, Stewart. Well said.

comment #68

JWEgo says ...

Craptastic thank you for showing us the fate of someone educated in the USA.
They are doing what they were told to do.
Uh huh.
So was the Son Of fucking Sam.

Get off my nuts- I could have called them cannon fodder cause that is all they are. They did not die defending a goddamn thing.

You and the complainers are a bunch of losers with no presents to return. Die.

Iam Jeff's Ego!

comment #69

Craptastic says ...

Ya got me on that one, JWEgo. Now go get yer shine box.

comment #70

Ian Sinclair says ...

StewartForPresident I used the word parsimonious correctly. The word has more than one meaning. Still, judging by the basic spelling mistakes and inchoate punctuation in your post it is highly possible that you would not be aware of that fact, being as you are self-evidently an ignorant bastard.

comment #71

StewartforPresident says ...

Please inform me of the meaning you were attempting to use or does thesaurus function in MSword not provide the answer.

comment #72

sutter kane says ...

Movie site or not, I love it that Jeff was able to provoke such a discussion. Offended, defensive, or disgusted, Jeff just typed what his gut told him to (I both understand and repect that, but had the same reaction as many of you when I read the phrase) and provded us with a forum to hash it out in. Maybe Time magazine wasn't so dumb.

comment #73

sutter kane says ...

Movie site or not, I love it that Jeff was able to provoke such a discussion. Offended, defensive, or disgusted, Jeff just typed what his gut told him to (I both understand and repect that, but had the same reaction as many of you when I read the phrase) and provded us with a forum to hash it out in. Maybe Time magazine wasn't so dumb.

comment #74

Craptastic says ...

Sure he started up a dialogue. Dialogues are always great. Its the only reason I like coming here. But it still doesn't excuse his half-assed, defensive, non-apology apology. It really shows why 95% of Hollywood can't stand him.

comment #75

bipedalist says ...

1) The language police are choking the life out of all great art in America and elsewhere.
2) All of you missed the whole point of the post - that more people have now died in Iraq than on 9/11.
3) Wells is a writer, not a politician.
4) You wholly miss the big picture if you choose to focus on one slang word rather than the fact that on Christmas who else was talking about this. Anyone? No, Dreamgirls box office was the "news" of the day.

I shudder to think what poor Raymond Chandler would have to go through today to pass muster with this overly sensitive group. And if you want to be mad about the war in Iraq, for god's sake, channel it somewhere useful.

comment #76

JWEgo says ...

CrappySappy
I was unaware that Hollywood was a popularity contest.

How are you doing in that area anyway, pussy boy?

comment #77

Ian Sinclair says ...

Now I'm married, but what guy with a brain and an appreciation for wit wouldn't want a gal like Bipedalist on their arm? Chandler once said "if in doubt, have a guy enter with a gun." I say, "if in doubt, listen to the person who has a fucking point."

comment #78

Hejla says ...

I find it completely ridiculous that several of the people who are defending Jeff bring up the point that people shouldn't waste their time discussing this particular issue when there are more important things they could do with their time, when they themselves are being rather hypocritical and wasting THEIR time by posting about it. They're doing exactly that which they're criticizing others for doing.

comment #79

Hejla says ...

"3.)Wells is a writer, not a politician."

Yes, exactly, he's a writer. So it's completely fair to discuss his diction. Words can have many different meanings, implications and consequences. So why not let people discuss it? And I fail to see how the "language police" are ruining art. We're discussing an ISSUE here. How issues and discussions are framed is very much reliant on word choice. To not recognize that is to fail to recognize a central part of human communication.

comment #80

OddDuck says ...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with discussion. It's the insane amount of vitriol that explodes from a few posters who seem to take violent issue with every other post Wells makes. Strong opinions expressed forcefully are one thing, but when you start feedback off with a straight-up insult/personal attack, that makes you the asshole in the room.

comment #81

christian says ...

i could argue that jw was using the terms in the senseless echo of an apparent senseless war. but i would not use that term in front of vets nor their families. i also wouldn't say "motherfucker" or tell them bush is a dangerous and incompetent pathological liar who's used the constitution for asswipe to justify a neo-con academic business fantasy.

it's what you say to friends but not strangers or veteran's relatives. wait for them to tell you.

comment #82

Craptastic says ...

Ha! JWEgo...

If you're unaware of Hollywood being a popularity contest then you're more naive than I thought.

And to answer your question... I'm doing just fine.

Ahhh "pussy boy". Have not heard that one since I was 14 or so. Get out of your mom's house much? Oh wait... I think I can hear her calling you for dinner.

comment #83

MAGGA says ...

Stiffs is a bad choice of words, and purpously so, I suspect. Though words like collateral damage are so much more offensive that we should let this one lie, methinks.

comment #84

Joe Leydon says ...

MAGGA: My favorite is "mopping-up operation." Which sounds so innocuous, as long as you're not at the wrong end of the mop.

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