"We've come to be consumed by a 24-hour, slash-and-burn, negative ad, bickering, small-minded politics that doesn't move us forward. Sometimes one side is up and the other side is down. But there's no sense that they are coming together in a common-sense, practical, nonideological way to solve the problems that we face." -- Sen. Barack Obama speaking today in Manchester, New Hampshire, as reported by the N.Y. Times' Adam Nagourney.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on December 10, 2006 at 9:46 PM
comment #1
Larry
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When Obama says something about movies, rather than content-free political-speak, let us know.
Posted by Larry
at December 10, 2006 10:08 PM
comment #2
MathewM
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Agreed. Where's teh beef?
Posted by MathewM
at December 10, 2006 10:24 PM
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Mr. Gittes
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Keep it up Jeff. I love Obama.
Posted by Mr. Gittes
at December 10, 2006 10:41 PM
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The Winchester
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Larry, Matthew, I think It's obvious Obama is referring to the Best Picture race.
Posted by The Winchester
at December 11, 2006 3:18 AM
comment #5
The Winchester
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Larry, Matthew, I think It's obvious Obama is referring to the Best Picture race.
Posted by The Winchester
at December 11, 2006 3:18 AM
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bachelorcool
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Um, this is a film site, isn't it?
Posted by bachelorcool
at December 11, 2006 3:27 AM
comment #7
EDouglas
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"We've come to be consumed by a 24-hour, slash-and-burn, negative ad, bickering, small-minded politics that doesn't move us forward."
This was his reaction to the critics awards announcements? He certainly has my vote!
Posted by EDouglas
at December 11, 2006 5:22 AM
comment #8
lesterg
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I like Obama, but running for President before you've hit the half-way mark on your first term is a little much. He should sit out until 2012.
Posted by lesterg
at December 11, 2006 6:08 AM
comment #9
nemo
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I like Obama too, but he is purely pandering to right-leaning voters when he talks as if both sides are equally guilty of 24-hour, slash-and-burn, small-minded politics.
The same way when he is pandering to fundamentalist and evangelical voters when he sympathizes with their self-pity over their imaginary victimization by the wider society. I guess he's just doing what he thinks he needs to do by dissing his own base and triangulating against the Republicans. Good luck to him. I hope it works, but it's disgusting to watch.
Posted by nemo
at December 11, 2006 8:23 AM
comment #10
christian
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please more obama from the media machine who have decided the 2008 race is between hillary and him.
maybe by then obama will have taken some kind of stand and hillary wlll figgr out if the iraq war is bad good or we need a flag-buring amendment..
in other words, neither.
Posted by christian
at December 11, 2006 9:50 AM
comment #11
lesterg
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I heard some national polling data last night. At this early point, Obama stands absolutely no shot against Hillary (he's 20 points behind...minimum). Gulliani is the front-runner on the Republican side with McCain close behind.
D vs. R: Gulliani would narrowly defeat Hillary and completely demolish Obama. Hillary would defeat any other GOP'er.
Despite the good news for Rudy, I still feel he stands no chance of getting the nomination. Unless he does a complete turnaround on some of the nutty right issues (abortion, gun control, gay rights) he'll never get the party leadership in his pocket.
Posted by lesterg
at December 11, 2006 10:49 AM
comment #12
T. S. Idiot
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It will be fun to see how Rudy handles "family values"--whatever they are--given his marital woes.
Posted by T. S. Idiot
at December 11, 2006 11:14 AM
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Rich S.
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A Clinton v. Giuliani race would be fascinating, just to see how the marital infidelity issue played out. It would be like a game of political chicken.
Posted by Rich S.
at December 11, 2006 11:22 AM
comment #14
lesterg
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While it would seem logicial to keep that stuff out of the debate (for fear of their own faults coming into play) I doubt either side will be able to help themselves.
Again, McCain is going to get the leadership support this time out (he's successfully kissed the ass of everyone on every side of every issue...) so I'm expecting Rudy to get taken out by friendly fire early on.
Posted by lesterg
at December 11, 2006 11:36 AM
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NYCBusybody
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Obama is a 110% liberal. He doesn't stand a chance in a general election - he won't even get there, because the Clinton war machine will eat him up.
Nobody knows anything about the guy. When moderates and Independents learn how far-left he is on every major issue, he'll fade fast.
And Hillary's gonna be the one to tell 'em about it. If she wants to win, she wins. I don't think most leftists in this country even KNOW about the Clinton War Room.
Posted by NYCBusybody
at December 11, 2006 11:43 AM
comment #16
Rich S.
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lesterg:
"While it would seem logical to keep that stuff out of the debate (for fear of their own faults coming into play) I doubt either side will be able to help themselves."
That's why I think it would be fascinating. I don't think they (or their supporters) will be able to stay away from it. As an issue, I think they pretty much cancel each other out. But the spin for a few weeks will be a sight to behold.
Posted by Rich S.
at December 11, 2006 12:07 PM
comment #17
NYCBusybody
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And we now find out that while Bush wiretaps terrorists, Clinton wiretapped princesses.
Obama better check his phones...
Posted by NYCBusybody
at December 11, 2006 12:21 PM
comment #18
lesterg
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Rich,
Absolutely, I can't see the FoxNews crowd showing restraint in regards to personal attacks on Clinton anymore than the left will hold back on Rudy. It's too easy of a target, despite the fact that it could boomerang right back in their faces. Mutually assured destruction.
In terms of my own preference: I'd probably go with Rudy at this point. He seems to match my own beliefs closer than most (Pros: Conservative on l&o/financial issues, liberal on social issues. Cons: personal life, connections to shady characters). However, if he starts pandering to the far-right, I'm out.
Posted by lesterg
at December 11, 2006 12:26 PM
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christian
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except that matt drudge is outraged by diana's phone tap and continus to be one of the biggest lap dogs for bush in media history...
i wonder if drudge will out himself one day?
Posted by christian
at December 11, 2006 1:58 PM
comment #20
Brigadier Pudding
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Matt Drudge is a walking testicle.
Posted by Brigadier Pudding
at December 11, 2006 6:52 PM
comment #21
Brigadier Pudding
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In a post about Obama, leave it to a wingnut to bring up the Clintons. Obsessed loon.
Posted by Brigadier Pudding
at December 11, 2006 7:01 PM
comment #22
Rich S.
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Anyone else catch Obama's "statement" before Monday Night Football last night? I thought it was pretty funny, but I'm wondering how it played with the more serious-minded among us.
Posted by Rich S.
at December 12, 2006 7:26 AM
comment #23
lesterg
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Brigadier, how is bringing up Obama's primary political opponent a "wingnut" thing to do?
Posted by lesterg
at December 12, 2006 8:32 AM
comment #24
Brigadier Pudding
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leserg,
Because Hilary is not Obama's primary opponent. The only people who think she is a frontrunner are the MSM (for obvious reasons) and conservatives, as they are obsessed with all things Clinton.
The base hates her. She is the Guiliani of the left. Neither have a chance. Please.
Posted by Brigadier Pudding
at December 12, 2006 11:15 AM
comment #25
Brigadier Pudding
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BTW, Obama voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act and voted for that heinous bankruptcy bill.
Really far left, eh, NYC?
Posted by Brigadier Pudding
at December 12, 2006 11:18 AM
comment #26
lesterg
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Brig,
Polling data says otherwise. Hillary has an almost 20 point lead according to national polls. Yes, that will change...but she's mopping the floor with him right now.
Lesterg
Posted by lesterg
at December 12, 2006 12:06 PM
comment #27
christian
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only conservatives want hillary to run. so she'll lose. and carville so he can get work again.
two years away, kids. keep guessin'. jim webb is the only senator elect who's gonna be the stand up guy. obama does not impress with political convictions against the bs of the bushco.
Posted by christian
at December 12, 2006 12:21 PM
comment #28
Brigadier Pudding
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Lester,
At this time in 2002, Kerry was at 3%-%6 in most polls. They don't mean much this early.
Posted by Brigadier Pudding
at December 12, 2006 12:22 PM
comment #29
lesterg
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Brig,
Of course the numbers will change as we move forward. I was taking issue with your stance that Hillary is not Obama's main opponent at the moment (because she is). A year from now or a month from now, that could change...but it's the current reality.
For now, I'm more focused on surviving the death throes of Bushco.
Posted by lesterg
at December 12, 2006 12:40 PM