Flimsy Borat nomination

The morning's flimsiest call has to be the Best Adapted Screenplay nomination for the Borat gang -- Sacha Baron Cohen & Anthony Hines & Peter Baynham & Dan Mazer. Adapted from "Da Ali G Show" because of very similar elements, concept, attitudes, etc.

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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on January 23, 2007 at 7:29 AM

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BNick Author Profile Page says ...

Right on, Jeff. Plus, where's the screenplay? Much if not most of the movie was actually a documentary, where real people are speaking for themselves, unscripted and off-the-cuff. I'm not bashing Borat, but I am questioning its placement in this category.

Casino Royale comes immediately to mind as a more deserving candidate, but I'm sure there are others.

Posted by BNick Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 7:41 AM

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Bart Smith Author Profile Page says ...

If the flimsiness is in regards to categorization, you don't have a case. This falls under the AMPAS guidelines and is no different than BEFORE SUNSET falling under the Adapted Screenplay category for being a sequel to BEFORE SUNRISE.

Posted by Bart Smith Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 7:43 AM

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Dixon Steele Author Profile Page says ...

OK, but, as I posted elsewhere, why is LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, which according to its credits, is based on the book "Letters from Commander in Chief", in the Original category?

Posted by Dixon Steele Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 7:45 AM

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alynch Author Profile Page says ...

LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA's nomination for original screenplay is (I'm just guessing here) most likely similar to what happened with Syrianna last year. Meaning that the film was so loosely based on the book, maybe just taking a few ideas from it, that it doesn't qualify as an adaptation. I've never read the book, but I remember hearing that the book only covers the time that General Kuribayashi was visiting America, and it doesn't cover Iwo Jima in any way.

Posted by alynch Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 7:49 AM

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corey3rd Author Profile Page says ...

the big problem with the screenplay voting is that nobody is voting on an actual script. Borat's folks didn't have to send the voters a copy of the shooting script. Was there really a screenplay or merely a series of "reality" notes about what stunts to pull where and maybe a couple scribbles for the tie-in scenes.

Posted by corey3rd Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 7:53 AM

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Mickey Author Profile Page says ...

Dixon: I also posted this elsewhere, but just in case you missed it: The book is actually "Picture Letters from Commander in Chief," which I'm guessing (I'm not sure about this) is just a reprinting of the actual letters (maybe with some more biographical info?).

If this is the case, then the screenplay is based on real-life events and not on another artistic representation. That wouldn't warrant inclusion in the "adapted" category. Could also be that it strayed, but this is my best guess.

Posted by Mickey Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:00 AM

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Bart Smith Author Profile Page says ...

Supposedly, there was a 60-page screenplay that they worked off of.

Posted by Bart Smith Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:00 AM

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Mark Author Profile Page says ...

similar concepts and attitudes? more like identical jokes and setups.

Posted by Mark Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:12 AM

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JD Author Profile Page says ...

This is another triumph for HBO's "It's not TV, it's HBO" mantra. If a fairly exact replica of an HBO show can get an Oscar nomination, they've really got a case. The funny thing is that Da Ali G was one of the least cinematic shows they've ever produced.

Posted by JD Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:29 AM

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JD Author Profile Page says ...

Sorry, that should be Da Ali G SHOW.

Posted by JD Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:30 AM

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Josh Massey Author Profile Page says ...

The nomination for Borat is more absurd than Kenneth Branagh's for his word-for-word adaptation of Hamlet.

Posted by Josh Massey Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:45 AM

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Colin Author Profile Page says ...

Josh, I agree that Borat did not deserve a nomination for screenplay. In the adapted category, I would have much preferred either of the 2 magician movies or Thank You For Smoking.

Posted by Colin Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:49 AM

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Chris Molanphy Author Profile Page says ...

The biggest winners coming out of the 'Borat' nomination: the reality-TV writers looking to get recognized by the TV studios and get unionized. They now have a massive data point in their favor – no less than the Motion Picture Academy thinks what they do for a living amounts to writing. I say, good for them.

Posted by Chris Molanphy Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 9:07 AM

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Dixon Steele Author Profile Page says ...

Personally, I thought THE ILLUSIONIST was one of the year's best (superior to the still-good PRESTIGE), and Dick Pope's brilliant cinematography certainly deserved a nod.

I guess the fact that it was "promoted" by the Yari Film Group sealed that fate.

Posted by Dixon Steele Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 9:20 AM

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Colin Author Profile Page says ...

Dixon, it's a really tough call for me between The Illusionist and The Prestige. Having seen The Illusionist again, I have it slightly ahead of Nolan's film because I found a lot in it that I missed the first time around. Of course, I know that there's plenty in The Prestige that I missed the first time around as well, so I'll have to see it again to make a final decision.

Posted by Colin Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 9:23 AM

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ArchiveGuy Author Profile Page says ...

Bart Smith said: "If the flimsiness is in regards to categorization, you don't have a case. This falls under the AMPAS guidelines and is no different than BEFORE SUNSET falling under the Adapted Screenplay category for being a sequel to BEFORE SUNRISE"

But the Academy has been inconsistent on this matter, since it gave "Barbarian Invasions" (a sequel) an Original Screenplay nomination.

Posted by ArchiveGuy Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 10:09 AM

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Mr. Peel Author Profile Page says ...

I've always been confused about this. Godfather II won for adapted screenplay, but what category was Godfather III (no source material, no nomination) eligible for? Would Casino Royale be an adaptation but Die Another Day would be an original? I know these are films that weren't ever going to be nominated but someday it could be an issue.

Posted by Mr. Peel Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 11:44 AM

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Nick Rogers Author Profile Page says ...

I loved "Children of Men," but that screenplay nomination seems like a flimsy call, too. Its biggest strength was its visual conviction, not necessarily its script. It seems like kind of a middle finger to the movie, if you ask me - the sort of courtesy nomination it has no chance of winning.

Posted by Nick Rogers Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 4:15 PM

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Edward Havens Author Profile Page says ...

There have been inconsistencies in the way the Academy handles "original" and "adapted" screenplays, and part of it comes from their simplifying the titles of the awards. It used to be (and I believe it still is, semi-officially) "Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published" and "Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen." As Borat's character and many catchphrases were created on Da Ali G Show, it properly got nominated in the Adapted category.

Posted by Edward Havens Author Profile Page at January 23, 2007 8:26 PM

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Rob Author Profile Page says ...

"Best Screenplay" is just code for "Movies Many of Us Really Liked But Were Too Edgy to Nominate for Best Picture" anyway.

Posted by Rob Author Profile Page at January 24, 2007 8:12 AM

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