Ethan Coen on waste and annihilation

HE to Ethan Coen (at today's press luncheon): "The only speed bump for mainstream audiences in No Country for Old Men, as you know, is your decision to not allow audiences to share in Josh Brolin's final fate, as it were."

Coen to HE: "And that's a perverse decision, isn't it?"

HE: "Well, that's one of the things that give the film artistic authority and distinction, and it either makes people respect it or..."

Cohen: "Or dislike it."


No Country for Old Men co-director and co-writer Ethan Coen at today's Miramax press luncehon -- Sunday, 5.20.07, 1:55 pm

HE: "Well, we all know that there's a certain expectation [out there], that when you've spent the entire movie with a guy, you wanna...but for me, this is what makes the film extra-special."

Coen: "And for us too. I mean, it's just from the novel and [garbled]. But when you get to this point you say, 'Okay, the movie's not ultimately about this guy...so what is it about?'"

HE: "About the end of the world, about the good old stuff really coming to an end, about being engulfed by waste and annihilation."

Coen: "Uh-huh!" Here's a sound file of the conversation.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells on May 20, 2007 at 8:28 AM

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americanrat Author Profile Page says ...

Too bad the Coens aren't writing/directing the film version of THE ROAD, which I believe is intended to be a sort of companion to NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.

Posted by americanrat Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 9:03 AM

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le corbeau Author Profile Page says ...

Maybe the words SPOILER WARNING should appear somewhere on this item?

Posted by le corbeau Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 9:07 AM

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JoshE Author Profile Page says ...

Uh, yeah. Lucky for me I read the book, but you really ought to put a WARNING up for this one. Sheesh.

Posted by JoshE Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 9:11 AM

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alynch Author Profile Page says ...

Yeah, uh, I normally don't like to be one of those spoiler nazis, but what you just did is pretty assinine Jeff. You gave away details to a film's ending that isn't going to be released for another 6 months without any warning. Kind of an asshole move. You should have put in a spoiler warning and saved the details until after the jump.

Posted by alynch Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 9:15 AM

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Mr. Muckle Author Profile Page says ...

jeez, the whiners around here would complain if Jeff takes a crap once a day. There were no details about the ending revealed here, but even if there were it's possible some people wouldn't remember them for a week, let alone six months.

Posted by Mr. Muckle Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 9:57 AM

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Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page says ...

Jeff, you're a cunt.

Posted by Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:19 AM

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Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page says ...

This has always been Jeff's problem. Once hes seen a movie, we all have. You do understand what a Film Festival is, douchebag? Thank God I saw The Departed opening weekend. This is seriously going to push me into the Poland camp. Jeff, if by any chance you read this, please consider updating this story with a spoiler warning for the next 20 or so people who read the site. You have ruined one of the most anticipated films of the year. I hope you die in a plane crash.

Posted by Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:31 AM

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dre Author Profile Page says ...

... okay

Posted by dre Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:49 AM

comment #9

malibugigolo Author Profile Page says ...

The story is about Cormac realizing he's a washed up old geezer as is the sentimental THE ROAD.

Posted by malibugigolo Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 11:22 AM

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Mike Ock Author Profile Page says ...

A typical Jeff Wells move. what a dickhead.

Posted by Mike Ock Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 11:31 AM

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Noah Author Profile Page says ...

I mean, I'm the first person to tell Jeff he's pulled a dick move, but I don't really think that's the case here. I mean, it might have been a little careless, but I certainly don't feel like the whole movie has been ruined for me.

I want to know how Paranoid Park is. Didn't it play this morning?

Posted by Noah Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:07 PM

comment #12

EOTW Author Profile Page says ...

No, it's a dick fucking move! Wells, sometimes you come across as such a douche and this is the casie in point. Pissed? You know I am, but I'm going out to a bookstore to pick a copy of the novel up now before anyone else ruins anymore more of this for me.

Posted by EOTW Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:09 PM

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Noah Author Profile Page says ...

Well, that's the thing, the book is already out there, so you could've "ruined" it for yourself at any time. Regardless, I agree that Jeff should've put a spoiler warning up, but I'm still as excited as ever to see the movie and I don't really think the movie is going to be about the fates of each of the characters.

Although, I think it's hilarious and typical Jeff that when Coen asks what the movie's about, his first reaction is "the end of the world". Haha, always thinking it's the end of the world, classic Jeff.

Posted by Noah Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:13 PM

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corey3rd Author Profile Page says ...

This really ruined the movie for me since I didn't plan on watching it till the DVD.

Posted by corey3rd Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:14 PM

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shepherd12345 Author Profile Page says ...

jeff COME ON! this was AWFUL OF YOU.

Posted by shepherd12345 Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:27 PM

comment #16

IndiSB Author Profile Page says ...

When it comes to lame-brain movies Jeff's like I don't want to go any further...plot wise, but when it's an easily anticipated movie, he's just balls out on the plot. Thanks a lot. I normally don't care but this movie sounded so great.

Posted by IndiSB Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:42 PM

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George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 12:45 PM

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PanTheFaun Author Profile Page says ...

Seriously Jeffrey, you are sincerely a FUCKING ASSHOLE.

My most anticipated movie of the year, by far, fucking ruined by your oblivious asshole tactics, you fucking piece of shit.

Get cancer.

Posted by PanTheFaun Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:03 PM

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Jack Price Author Profile Page says ...

It's all too vague to be considered a "spoiler."

Take it for what it is. We know that Brolin is one of the main characters of the story (any future trailers will tell you this, so I can't consider it precious information), and whatever his "fate" is (again, not specified whether it turns in his favor or not), the audience isn't necessarily going to like how it's presented to them. Perhaps it's too cold, distant, etc.

I'm also on edge about having any info carelessly leaked to me. But seriously, this was a close call but not a direct hit.

Posted by Jack Price Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:09 PM

comment #20

berg Author Profile Page says ...

if you don't want to know in-depth info on movies, like the possible ending, you should not be reading blogs and websites that deal with inside information ...

Posted by berg Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:11 PM

comment #21

George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

hey PantheFaun. You spelled "donor" wrong.

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:24 PM

comment #22

Noah Author Profile Page says ...

Well, Pan, I guess the movie will be completely useless to you now that you know that Josh Brolin's fate may or may not be to a general audience's liking. And that he may or may not live or die. Honestly, I don't know what this spoiled. I still have no idea what's going to happen to him.

Posted by Noah Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:32 PM

comment #23

JB Moore Author Profile Page says ...

Forget all the vitriol towards Wells! What about Cormac McCarthy? Old bastard gave away everything in his book! This movie was ruined for me two years ago. I'm never going to read again. What the hell was I thinking?

All you people wishing Jeff's demise by plane crash, cancer, or whatever, need to chill the fuck out. Ya'll make me wish for DZ's return. Seriously. He didn't give it away point blank. He didn't even mention the UFO abduction, or the cyborg showdown, wait, shit! Sorry.

Posted by JB Moore Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:37 PM

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alynch Author Profile Page says ...

Yeah, he's not actually giving away the ending, so the anger is a little extreme. However, when it's a highly anticipated movie that's six months away from release, I still think it's irresponsible to allude to the ending and how it's presented without a spoiler warning somewhere.

Posted by alynch Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:55 PM

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Arran Author Profile Page says ...

What's the big fucking deal? He hasn't revealed anything major.

Posted by Arran Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 1:58 PM

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The Movie Man Author Profile Page says ...

I get tired of assholes complaints about spoilers. If you don't like it stop reading about movies hours each day, then maybe something will be a surprise for you again.

Jeff can be an ass, but I don't think he's ever, to my knowledge written anything as vicious or ridiculous as Pan did a few comments above. Wishing cancer on someone for anything, much less for ruining the fate of a pretend person for you (which he didn't do anyway) is dirty pool man. Get a life.

Posted by The Movie Man Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 2:07 PM

comment #27

malibugigolo Author Profile Page says ...

Hey chill, he didn't reveal the Maria Conchita Alonso body double that poses as a twin and that you think is dead, but then isn't. MINDBLOWING.

Totally Awesome!

Posted by malibugigolo Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 2:44 PM

comment #28

malibugigolo Author Profile Page says ...

Hitting the street on Tuesday is Straight Time with Dustin Hoffman,Theresa Russell, Gary Busey, and Harry Dean Stanton. A little gem of a movie based on the Ed Bunker novel.

Posted by malibugigolo Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 2:48 PM

comment #29

George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

malibugigolo: Thank you. I've been looking forward to this dvd release for months. It's about time someone on this thread brought up something interesting.

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 2:59 PM

comment #30

EDouglas Author Profile Page says ...

Totally agree about putting spoiler warnings, especially in cases like this where there may be a spoiler in the first post before the bump.

Posted by EDouglas Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 3:10 PM

comment #31

Rich S. Author Profile Page says ...

The first thing I did when I heard Jeff was going to see No Country for Old Men at Cannes was to go straight to the library and read it as fast as I could. Seriously, if you've read Wells for any length of time at all, you know bombshell spoilers are his stock and trade. He wants the "transcendent" experience of watching a quality film to be his and his alone.

I still haven't forgiven him for blowing the best joke in Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back. That's how petty he is about this kind of thing.

Posted by Rich S. Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 3:32 PM

comment #32

Joe Leydon Author Profile Page says ...

BTW: The final "Harry Potter" book comes out in, what, July? And it's already been leaked that at least one major character will die. So won't this kinda-sorta spoil the next two movies for audiences? Seriously.

Posted by Joe Leydon Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 3:37 PM

comment #33

le corbeau Author Profile Page says ...

I'm not even reading this thread in case I find out that Bruce Willis is a ghost or Kevin Spacey is Keyser Soze, but totally irrelevantly, I was looking for something old here and Jeff, you need something that automatically shuts off new comments on old threads after X days (to judge by traffic, 30 days would surely be more than enough, 15 might even be okay). Why? Check this comment thread out:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/06/pirate_reaction.php

Posted by le corbeau Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 3:38 PM

comment #34

George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

What's wrong with that thread, Mgmax? It's more coherent than the average D.Z. post.

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 3:59 PM

comment #35

malibugigolo Author Profile Page says ...

JCAL:

True Confessions the other Ulu Grosbard (director of Straight Time) just came out. Always wanted to see De Niro and Duvall working together. Think that will be a double bill on Tues night!

Posted by malibugigolo Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 4:47 PM

comment #36

BNick Author Profile Page says ...

I guess no one at Cannes is talking about the Joker's new look:

www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com

My guess is Jeff will dig it.

Posted by BNick Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 5:04 PM

comment #37

Jesse Perry Author Profile Page says ...

Jayne Gacey tends to overreact.

Posted by Jesse Perry Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 5:28 PM

comment #38

Jay T. Author Profile Page says ...

If I hadn't already read the book I would be PISSED at you Jeff... put in a spoiler warning.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear the Coens aren't taking credit for any of McCarthy's decisions. When I read that first questions I was all set to call bullshit.

Posted by Jay T. Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 5:40 PM

comment #39

berkguru Author Profile Page says ...

Thanks for ruining the ending, a-hole. No one cares that you had the chance to ask him a question. It's trivial. Let us watch the movies on our own without spoiling them.

Posted by berkguru Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 5:41 PM

comment #40

christian Author Profile Page says ...

jeff has that sociopathic thing where he knows he's going to blow the end at the start of his post, and you can feel him smiling.

Posted by christian Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 6:05 PM

comment #41

PanTheFaun Author Profile Page says ...

Why are people defending Wells here because he didn't explicitly say what happens? He's already alluded to the kind of character Brolin is and how it's unsatisfying that we don't get to witness his "fate"... I don't think that's referring to him getting the girl or winning the lottery.

I'm just as pissed as before. But yeah, I don't actually hope JE gets cancer, but at least a serious injury would be nice.

Posted by PanTheFaun Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 6:29 PM

comment #42

PanTheFaun Author Profile Page says ...

*JW, not JE.

Posted by PanTheFaun Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 6:30 PM

comment #43

lazarus Author Profile Page says ...

Let me preface this by saying I haven't seen the film or read McCarthy's novel. While the ethics of Jeff's spoiler are a separate argument, those of you claiming that he didn't specifically ruin anything are delusional. When someone mentions the "fate" of a certain character, you know very well that guy is biting the dust. The same thing happened over on Poland's blog where some asshole mentioned "the fate" of DiCaprio's character in The Departed. Now I was still blown away (no pun intended) when I saw the film, but I was expecting the outcome with regard to Costigan.

I imagine the same will be true here, and that the film won't necessarily be ruined for anyone, as the Coens are talented enough to not let the quality of their film rest on the surprise of a single character's destination. It appears that Brolin is playing the Buscemi role in this one, and Jeff has likely lost some credibility for dropping that not-so-subtle hint.

While I'm glad that the Coens are getting thoughtful again after a couple of lightweights (I found Intolerable Cruelty disposable but very entertaining, while The Ladykillers was disposable and unfunny), I'm a bit dismayed that they felt the need to dispose of what is for all practical purposes their stock company. No Goodman, McDormand, Buscemi, Turturro, Shalhoub, and I guess Clooney. Surely at least one of these people would have fit the material. Maybe they were worried no one would take the film seriously enough with any of these familiar faces, but they've been able to ride that serio-comic line very well in the past. For the record, Barton Fink, The Man Who Wasn't There, and Hudsucker are my favs.

And off topic here for a sec, wasn't Jeff supposed to see the U2 3D film this weekend? I was eagerly awaiting the bitter old critic's reaction to the loud concert film.

Posted by lazarus Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 6:34 PM

comment #44

Devin Faraci Author Profile Page says ...

I was hoping for more pearls to be created by all this sand that got in vaginas in this thread.

Posted by Devin Faraci Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:17 PM

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Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page says ...

Devin is the new Hemingway.

Posted by Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:19 PM

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dre Author Profile Page says ...

the economy's there.

Posted by dre Author Profile Page at May 20, 2007 10:34 PM

comment #47

JB Moore Author Profile Page says ...

I say we put coal in the vaginas and see what happens.

Posted by JB Moore Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 12:08 AM

comment #48

Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page says ...

I really don't think we should be joking about Vagina Diamonds. The Kimberly process has done a lot, but there is still a lot of bad shit going down. I mean, didn't you see the movie?

Posted by Jayne Gacey Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 12:45 AM

comment #49

JB Moore Author Profile Page says ...

Which Kimberly process? The Kimberly Drummond process, or the more compromised Kim Fields process?

Oh, and if Devin happens across this thread again, Andruw Jones sucks.

(passes out)

Posted by JB Moore Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 2:31 AM

comment #50

dre Author Profile Page says ...

0 for 5 .... Hey Cox, it's called Triple A...use it

Posted by dre Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 7:30 AM

comment #51

Krazy Eyes Author Profile Page says ...

If people read more nobody would be having any problems with the spoiler. It sounds like the Coen's are being extremely faithful to the novel in this regard. This would have been one of the 1st things I would have expected them to change.

Posted by Krazy Eyes Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 9:51 AM

comment #52

T. S. Idiot Author Profile Page says ...

I don't know. When I went to see the Jackson King Kong, I kinda suspected that the big fella would bite the asphalt. Knowing that didn't ruin the movie for me.

Posted by T. S. Idiot Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 10:29 AM

comment #53

Krazy Eyes Author Profile Page says ...

"I don't know. When I went to see the Jackson King Kong, I kinda suspected that the big fella would bite the asphalt. Knowing that didn't ruin the movie for me."

It was the rest of the movie ruined it for me.

Posted by Krazy Eyes Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 10:33 AM

comment #54

Jay T. Author Profile Page says ...

"I'm a bit dismayed that they felt the need to dispose of what is for all practical purposes their stock company. No Goodman, McDormand, Buscemi, Turturro, Shalhoub, and I guess Clooney. Surely at least one of these people would have fit the material."

Seriously, NONE of those actors would work in a single role in this film. I'm glad they stuck to the material, frankly, and casted the right actors for the job (Brolin and Tommy Lee Jones are perfect IMO).

Posted by Jay T. Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 10:35 AM

comment #55

Rich S. Author Profile Page says ...

Actually, I could see McDormand working in the role of T.L. Jones' wife. It would be an interesting counterpoint to the marital role in Fargo. But the role is so small, she might have proven a distraction.

Posted by Rich S. Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 10:46 AM

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Sean Author Profile Page says ...

McDormand is too young to play Jones's wife and too old to play Brolin's (based on the way the movie presents them). (And Jones's wife, as a part, would be roughly the same size as the part she played in 'Miller's Crossing'.)

"Surely at least one of these people would have fit the material."

This film marks Stephen Root's third Coen brothers movie. And your list ignored the only Coen brothers semi-regular who I would think could possibly fit in the movie, Jon Polito. But I'm glad he's not in it. There'd be no room for any of the others.

Posted by Sean Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 11:30 AM

comment #57

Bocephus Author Profile Page says ...

Snape kills Dumbledore

Posted by Bocephus Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 12:22 PM

comment #58

nemo Author Profile Page says ...

You know what will really ruin "A Mighty Heart" for me? I already know that Dan Futterman's character dies. All those damn news reports! I don't think I could possibly get anything out of the rest of the film knowing that ahead of time.

Posted by nemo Author Profile Page at May 21, 2007 3:23 PM

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Typologist Author Profile Page says ...

Jay T.,

I have to disagree with you--Tommy Lee Jones is all ego, on and off screen. I think he's inappropriately cast here specifically because Bell is decidedly lacking in ego--particularly towards the end when he's telling his war story to his uncle. I just can't see TLJ pulling that scene off.

Posted by Typologist Author Profile Page at May 26, 2007 10:09 AM

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