comment #1

Dave says ...

We've gotten how many decades of Dems playing identity politics. . . guess it's finally biting everybody in the ass.

On to Super Tuesday, Hill. . .

comment #2

SpinDozer says ...

'Edwards (who needs to quit, quit, quit tomorrow morning...it's over, man!)'

Gruver, here is the one way that Obama can win the nomination. He is close enough to HRC that Edward's delegates put him over the top in a brokered convention. If you are goofy enough to think that Edwards voters have Obama as their 2nd choice, you are mistaken. Any scenario which results in someone other than HRC as the nominee needs to deprive her of Delegates, Wake Up!

comment #3

D.Z. says ...

Spin: "If you are goofy enough to think that Edwards voters have Obama as their 2nd choice, you are mistaken."

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3371185

comment #4

BurmaShave says ...

You're going to hear Clintonistas start saying she never really contested the state, but that is absolute bullshit. This is a bright shining moment, probably our last one. Things look good in Georgia and a few other places, but she's got breathing room everywhere else. Look forward to Bush III or Bush Light.

comment #5

nola says ...

This margin of victory was huge. Also Obama did get more white votes than Billary expected. It is going to be hard for them to spin this the way they wanted to.

When I heard Bill Clinton say well of course Obama is going to win, Jesse Jackson won the state before, I wanted to kick my TV in. First Barack wasn't black enough, now he too black. Obama and Jackson are different generations, different backgrounds etc. I am starting to actually HATE the Clintons and I worked on Clinton's '92 campaign in Little Rock.

comment #6

D.Z. says ...

I started to hate the Clintons when they spent more time occupying Somalia than delivering on their promise for universal health care. I probably would care about Waco, too, but that cult was probably too damn cheap to hide out in a building up to code, so...

comment #7

BurmaShave says ...

Jesus, you're a terrible person.

comment #8

D.Z. says ...

Burma: Hey, it wasn't me who stored boxes of explosives in the same room as kids.

comment #9

rocco says ...

Burma, DZ actually made some sense there...you can't slam the guy for *everything*...

...with Bill's behavior, it must be very satisfying for serious Clinton haters to be vindicated after all these years. The man is a degenerate and now there's no locomotive economy to hide behind.

comment #10

BurmaShave says ...

Except we didn't occupy Somalia, we were part of a UN Mission to try to get people their food. If that's somehow imperialism, I don't care. And are we still actually debating the Waco tragedy?

comment #11

D.Z. says ...

Burma: "Except we didn't occupy Somalia, we were part of a UN Mission to try to get people their food."

It was labeled a U.N. mission, but it was viewed as
an intervention. It also was used as an excuse to ignore what was going on in Rwanda, which was a lot more devastating to the continent than what was going on in Somalia.

"And are we still actually debating the Waco tragedy?"

If we can debate the JFK assassination, why not Waco?

comment #12

Josh Massey says ...

Damned hick redstaters.

comment #13

americanrat says ...

Since someone brought it up -

The Clinton DOJ stone cold murdered the Branch Davidians in 1993. That's one of the reasons I would never vote for a Clinton again. Unfortunately, I didn't find out about the extent of their evil until 1997 - - after I had voted for him a second time.

A lot of people in Texas will tell you that they voted for W for governor in 1994 because Ann Richards didn't take a stand against the atrocity that occurred in Waco in '93.

It was a disgusting abuse. Janet Reno should have been prosecuted. Nothing the Bush admin's DOJ has done comes close to Waco.

By the way - they also caused the death of a much beloved writer named Peter McWilliams, hounded him to death as he was dying of AIDS and cancer and dared to fill his medical marijuana prescription in California. This was I believe in 1999 or 2000. By the way - Bush at least waited until he had a supreme court ruling on his side before he started after the cannabis clubs in 2005.

Not to mention Elian Gonzales, a big fuck you to Al Gore as he was running for president in a tightly contested state. Gore shouldn't have had to worry about 400 votes and dangling chads in FL, but Clinton made sure he poisoned the waters in FL for Gore so wifey could run for president in 2004. Too bad for her W ended up being a much stronger president than any of them counted on.

Fuck the Clintons. Obama, McCain, anybody but Hillary.

comment #14

rocco says ...

I said *some* sense...I was able to pull out of it what he meant, despite what he said...baby steps.

There's no real need to debate Somalia, Waco, or even Bosnia, half-hearted responses to American Embassy and Cole, or anything else for that matter when Clinton is actively destroying whatever legacy he may have once had.

comment #15

D.Z. says ...

rat: I disagree with Elian Gonzales, since his father didn't seem like a bad parent, but I will admit the armed soldiers made for bad publicity.
It probably would've been cheaper to just ship Dad Gonzales's ass out of Cuba and give him refugee status/citizenship, but, like the Drug War you brought up, the embargo is another pointless decade-long policy.

comment #16

americanrat says ...

DZ-

While I agree the embargo is counterproductive, Castro would have thrown Juan Gonzalez' other relatives into prison (at best) if he had come up here and defected, etc. That guy - who had no contact with EG through most of the kid's life and probably could have cared less about him or his mother - was under the gun from the beginning.

As long as Clinton was going to play footsie with Castro, he should have ended the embargo when he sent Elian back. Of course, again, the only goal was to shaft Gore so HRC could run in 2004.

comment #17

scooterzz says ...

whoa!!!!!!!..... obama is backed by caroline kennedy......i'm thinkin' this will actually make a dif with the boomers.....

comment #18

christian says ...

"The Clinton DOJ stone cold murdered the Branch Davidians in 1993. That's one of the reasons I would never vote for a Clinton again. Unfortunately, I didn't find out about the extent of their evil until 1997 - - after I had voted for him a second time."

It wasn't until I moved to Texas and learned what really went down in Waco that I realized our government could be stone cold evil.

comment #19

SpinDozer says ...

'It wasn't until I moved to Texas and learned what really went down in Waco that I realized our government could be stone cold evil.'

Really?

Nixon, cointelpro, no. Waco, yes? Sometimes it's the little things.

comment #20

BurmaShave says ...

"There's no real need to debate Somalia, Waco, or even Bosnia, half-hearted responses to American Embassy and Cole, or anything else for that matter when Clinton is actively destroying whatever legacy he may have once had.

Posted by: rocco"

Well said rocco. I think tonight's Jesse Jackson commenr showed explicitly the lengths he himself will go. Not to mention her surrogates who have been saying "Muslim", "Drug dealer" and "Shuck and Jive" for weeks. If only there were someone big enough to smack him down. Gore, who has made no secret of his disdain for Hillary, might be the only one who could do it.

comment #21

BurmaShave says ...

Other than, of course, the people of the great state of South Carolina.

comment #22

D.Z. says ...

Worst headline ever? http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/obamasroutrejiggerstherace;_ylt=Atp5JQBHr1EYxvDMxo9C_s.s0NUE

comment #23

le corbeau says ...

Ouch!

Was it The New York Sun that had Obama calling a spade a spade, too? Even that seems more innocent than "rejiggers."

BTW, I never thought I'd recommend a Frank Rich piece on politics but he's got a very good piece on why Hillary would be especially weak against McCain in the NYT today.

comment #24

Dave says ...

C'mon Mgmax-- there's NEVER a good reason to recommend Frank Rich on anything. The only thing that man gets right are "vowels" and "consonants," and even then he needs an editor.

IMHO, this Dick "I love your toes!" Morris piece was FAR more insightful:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01222008/news/columnists/theres_a_method_to_crafty_bills_madness_36682.htm?page=0

Man, the Clintons are just plain *dirty*. And people think we Rethuglicans are dirty, heh.

Civil wars are always the worst.

comment #25

le corbeau says ...

Sorry, I realize Morris has special knowledge of the pair but this seems too clever by half-- Bill makes Hillary look like a weak, meek junior partner in her marriage and himself like a raging egomaniac, and this makes us want to elect Hillary why?

comment #26

christian says ...

What I meant SpinDozer, is that I knew our systems were often rotten and corrupt. I was always fascinated by Nixon's chicanery as a kid. But the blatant abuses at Waco, well documented in the documentary WACO: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT and the fact I was living in Texas under George Bush, really propped me up.

comment #27

christian says ...

And Dick Morris is clearly unhinged.

comment #28

George Prager says ...

I started to hate the Trumans when they spent more time occupying Korea than delivering on their promise for universal health care. I probably would care about Auschwitz, too, but that race was probably too damn stubborn to eat non-kosher food, so...

Posted by: D.Z. at January 26, 1958 06:16 PM

comment #29

D.Z. says ...

Prager: Truman barely had anything to do with WW2, other than nuking Japanese civilians. He also started this whole "The fascist enemy of my commie enemy is my friend" trend which led to the WTC getting attacked by Osama, so he can burn in hell. I'm also not sure why the Branch Davidians should be compared to the Jews, unless you think that pedophilia and shaking down believers is somehow acceptable in the latter religion. Now, if you compared it to Catholicism, that'd be a different story.

comment #30

George Prager says ...

Prager: Ruth Buzzi barely had anything to do with T2, other than nuking French symbolist poets. She also started this whole "The hippie enemy of my lesbian enemy is Jack Warden" trend which led to the Dark Troll getting attacked by Paul McCartney, so he can burn in hell. I'm also not sure why the Pittsburgh Steelers should be compared to the Monkees, unless you think that zoophilia and shaking down Rockettes is somehow acceptable in the latter religion. Now, if you compared it to Sesame Street, that'd be a different story.

Posted by D.Z. at January 27, 2009 12:25 PM

comment #31

christian says ...

Agreed.

comment #32

Terry McCarty says ...

Edwards (who needs to quit, quit, quit tomorrow morning...it's over, man!).

Maybe Joe Trippi should run for the Democratic nomination in 2012 instead of using surrogates such as Dean and Edwards.