There was grumbling and shoulder-shrugging at the Spirit Awards after-bash about Juno winning the best picture prize. Nobody dislikes it (myself included) but nobody I know thinks it aspires to greatness, much less achieves it. Over and over I heard "why?," "I don't get it," "Whatever," "I don't know...obviously people like it," "they were sucking up to Fox Searchlight," etc.

No problems in this corner with Juno star Ellen Page winning the best actress award, or with Diablo Cody winning the best first screenplay prize. They're fine, but it just doesn't seem right on some level to give Juno the absolute Big Kahuna top prize. Likeable, touching and well-made though it may be, it doesn't drill into the groundwater. (A fear that Little Miss Sunshine definitely achieved.)
It's supposed to mean something to win a Spirit Award, and right now, the Juno win has lowered the bar and made it all seem a tiny little less.



I have to be somewhere. I'll get into it later. Above are four Spirit Awards snaps.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on February 23, 2008 at 6:43 PM
comment #1
BurmaShave
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When do you imagine we start seeing Diablo Cody in front of the camera in films?
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 23, 2008 7:11 PM
comment #2
Gordie Lachance
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The Independent Spirit Award for best picture is the most boring, predictable award in the film world.
Every year there is one film nominated for both a ISA and an Oscar. Thats the one that always wins, because in the end, it's just a popularity contest.
Posted by Gordie Lachance
at February 23, 2008 7:14 PM
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Craptastic
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Diablo is both sexy and talented. Rrrrrrowwww
Posted by Craptastic
at February 23, 2008 7:48 PM
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actionman
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Diablo Cody looks like a stripper
Posted by actionman
at February 23, 2008 7:55 PM
comment #5
actionman
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I am actually very curious about Jennifer's Body
Posted by actionman
at February 23, 2008 7:57 PM
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Craptastic
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How?
Posted by Craptastic
at February 23, 2008 7:57 PM
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actionman
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her hair looks like a cheap wig; her breasts are semi spilling out of her dress. or maybe it's just the image I have of her considering her former career. either way, she's cute enough, and congrats to her. i just hope tony gilroy wins tomorrow (he's not gonna though...)
Posted by actionman
at February 23, 2008 8:11 PM
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corey3rd
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cant' believe the guitar mic kicked off during the Once cast performance.
How come the Indie Spirit Awards aren't sponsored by Prozac? It was odd to see my old classmates nominated, but the clips from their films were so depressing. Once must be the only film nominated that actually wasn't a suicide delayed.
Posted by corey3rd
at February 23, 2008 8:14 PM
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Stacy Atlas
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I hope to never hear anymore of that crappy music from ONCE again for the rest of my life. A bullet could put those awful singers out of their misery.
Posted by Stacy Atlas
at February 23, 2008 8:35 PM
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BurmaShave
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Don't be a cunt.
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 23, 2008 8:38 PM
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berkguru
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Stacy name 3 bands you like bitch. That music is amazing.
Posted by berkguru
at February 23, 2008 8:39 PM
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Stacy Atlas
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BurmaShave and berkguru; It is not my job to elevate your poor taste in music, so you will both have to be up shit creek without a paddle.
Posted by Stacy Atlas
at February 23, 2008 8:54 PM
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ASD
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So Jeff, just to clarify, when Little Miss Sunshine won this award last year (and 3 others) it was okey-dokey but somehow Juno doing the same is the end of times?
Oh if only Ms. Cody had stayed on your couch too we could all be spared this hypocritical bullshit.
Posted by ASD
at February 23, 2008 8:54 PM
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Craptastic
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Jesus, calm down, kids.
Taste is taste.
Posted by Craptastic
at February 23, 2008 8:55 PM
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berkguru
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name 3 bands stacy - need you to enlighten me
Posted by berkguru
at February 23, 2008 9:01 PM
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corey3rd
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Another award show where Harvey didn't hear the love from the stage. And tomorrow is going to be a bitch with all those Miramax films up for hardware.
Posted by corey3rd
at February 23, 2008 9:01 PM
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BurmaShave
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12:42 PM, SNL skit. I Drink Your Milkshake is officially huge. And over.
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 23, 2008 9:43 PM
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rickyroma
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And most of the SNL TV audience just went "Why is Indiana Jones talking like that?"
Posted by rickyroma
at February 23, 2008 9:50 PM
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Joe Leydon
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Just curious: When Diablo Cody gets her Oscar, will she the first screenwriter to get a Spirit and an Academy Award on the same weekend?
Posted by Joe Leydon
at February 23, 2008 10:44 PM
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Bilge
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Joe: I don't know if it was on the same weekend, but I believe Taylor & Payne won both for SIDEWAYS.
Posted by Bilge
at February 23, 2008 11:03 PM
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cinemascopian
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The Spirit Award for Juno axes any chance of a Juno upset at the Oscars. In the entire history of The Independent Spirit award only one movie won both this award and then the Oscars and that was "Platoon" in 1986.
And to Joe: "Little Miss sunshine", "Lost in Translation", "The Usual Suspects" and "Pulp Fiction" all won Spirit Awards and Oscars in the same weekend. i.e: The Best Original Screenplay Oscar is the Academy's equivalent to the independent spirit award.
Posted by cinemascopian
at February 23, 2008 11:07 PM
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Brian O
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“Just curious: When Diablo Cody gets her Oscar, will she the first screenwriter to get a Spirit and an Academy Award on the same weekend?â€Â
Joe, are you Cody’s uncle or something? Got a little money invested in the film?
This “I must fluff the Juno pillow!†bit has stolen the magic from your postings.
Posted by Brian O
at February 23, 2008 11:54 PM
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Brian O
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"Just curious: When Diablo Cody gets her Oscar, will she the first screenwriter to get a Spirit and an Academy Award on the same weekend?"Â
Joe, are you Cody's uncle or something? Got a little money invested in the film?
This "I must fluff the Juno pillow!"Âbit has stolen the magic from your postings.
Posted by Brian O
at February 23, 2008 11:55 PM
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scooterzz
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regardless of whether or not your pony won, you really have to admit that it was a fun (and funny) entertaining show...... i thought wilson was pretty wonderful as host...... nice work all around....
Posted by scooterzz
at February 24, 2008 12:37 AM
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PetalumaFilms
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Burma and steve...
really? That skit was allll about the brilliance of THERE WILL BE BLOOD??? The JUNO and NO COUNTRY stuff just like....blended in? It was an Oscar satire and, for my money, the funniest thing SNL has done in 4 seasons.
Posted by PetalumaFilms
at February 24, 2008 12:50 AM
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roquentin
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Joe Leydon: Agreed. I'm no Juno fanatic, but half of you Juno haters are fucking Little Miss Sunshine fans. That you can cheer for one to upset the apple cart one year and decry the injustice of the other's success is beyond me.
Posted by roquentin
at February 24, 2008 12:56 AM
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scooterzz
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regardless of whose dog won in the race, it was a pretty great show....funny stuff from wilson...
Posted by scooterzz
at February 24, 2008 1:07 AM
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YND
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Wow, interesting -- Gordie Lachance is right: unless I missed something tooling around imdb, NEVER in the history of the Spirit Awards (going back more than 20 years) has a NON-Oscar Best Picture nominee won the Best Feature Indie Spirit Award over an Oscar Best Picture nominee. There are some years when there was no overlap between the two categories, and then a non-Oscar nominee wins (obviously)... and there are years when there was more than one Oscar nominee, and then ONE of them wins... but Indie Spirit voters have never given their big prize to a film not vetted by the Academy, unless they have no choice but to do so.
Huh. No SO "independent"...
Posted by YND
at February 24, 2008 2:21 AM
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K. Bowen
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The thing that gets me about the Juno affection is that it's not even the best high school indie comedy in the past decade. Rushmore and Election are obviously better films. I like it. It's decent. Cody has talent, although it's far from fully realized. But it's just not that great of a film.
Posted by K. Bowen
at February 24, 2008 2:29 AM
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Terry McCarty
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Re Diablo Cody in the red dress: the perfect blend of Louise Brooks and Courtney Love.
Posted by Terry McCarty
at February 24, 2008 2:34 AM
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bmcintire
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Stacy Atlas doesn't like the music from ONCE because it is difficult to strip to without crying. Sadly for her (and her lessened collection of dollar bills) it's awesome when strippers cry. Much like Diablo Cody will when she doesn't win the Oscar for best original screenplay.
And roquentin - you are exactly right about the apple-cart aspects of JUNO and LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE. They both blow equally. Though LMS uses its teeth in a less appealing way.
Posted by bmcintire
at February 24, 2008 2:40 AM
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Devin Faraci
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There are some ugly fucking comments in this post.
Posted by Devin Faraci
at February 24, 2008 4:12 AM
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JHRussell
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So Jeff, you and who else was standing around grumbling and shrugging shoulders? Have you sunk to the low standards of the New York Times? Either attribute your quotes or once and for all shut the fuck up about "Juno."
Posted by JHRussell
at February 24, 2008 4:57 AM
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George Prager
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"name 3 bands stacy - need you to enlighten me"
What is this 8th grade. Let's face it, without the movie, those song blow. They sound like Air Supply.
Posted by George Prager
at February 24, 2008 5:03 AM
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carla kolchak
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'There are some ugly fucking comments in this post.' - Posted by: Devin Faraci
What else is new?
Posted by carla kolchak
at February 24, 2008 5:57 AM
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corey3rd
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Diablo didn't win Best Screenplay - she won the ghetto category of "Best FIRST screenplay." They didn't let her compete in the big kids pool.
And what's F'n wrong with Air Supply? You got a problem with Air Supply? Or were you too big of Seals and Croft fan that you had to hate on the Air Supply?
Posted by corey3rd
at February 24, 2008 6:22 AM
comment #37
romeoisbleeding
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This thread is starting to read like a thread from AICN. It is time for everyone to put down their crayons and take a nap.
Posted by romeoisbleeding
at February 24, 2008 8:19 AM
comment #38
Griff
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Sheesh. Juno was good in spite of itself. Some of the dialog for Juno was a little clever and obviously screenwriter crafted, and it was distracting at first. Even so, the film was good-hearted, especially in the supporting characters of the dad, step-mom, and Bleeker.
Not sure what "aspiring to greatness" would constitute. I continue to contend it's as hell of a lot harder to show love and kindness and decency (in an entertaining way) than to give rein to the more easily dramatized "Life is shit, people are garbage, and we are to the gods as flies to wanton boys" riff. Juno was one of the rare films that managed to show what looked like real love.
Posted by Griff
at February 24, 2008 8:40 AM
comment #39
MathewM
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"Let's face it, without the movie, those song blow. They sound like Air Supply."
Taste is subjective. Falling Slowly is a beautiful song and Once was the best picture of 2007. That's my opinion after seeing the movie twice and hearing the soundtrack dozens of times.
Posted by MathewM
at February 24, 2008 9:04 AM
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MathewM
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I'll add that great movies (those that ten years from now you can still speak highly of) have great endings. Once had a beautiful ending, perfect. I gotta say that No Country for Old Men had a mediocre (purposely unsatisfying) ending and that will hurt its historical greatness. Juno's ending was good and fitting, not quite great but better than No Country's ending.
Posted by MathewM
at February 24, 2008 9:10 AM
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actionman
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I just don't understand how people could find NCFOM's ending to be mediocre; challenging yes, but not mediocre.
Posted by actionman
at February 24, 2008 9:54 AM
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George Prager
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Or were you too big of Seals and Croft fan that you had to hate on the Air Supply?
I'm more of a Bread and Firefall fan. That Irish cheesehead in ONCE isn't fit to lick David Gates' ballsack.
Posted by George Prager
at February 24, 2008 9:59 AM
comment #43
Joe Leydon
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Bread? Oh, man, how many times did I nurse a broken heart back in college with: "And I would give everything I own..."
Posted by Joe Leydon
at February 24, 2008 10:04 AM
comment #44
corey3rd
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The ending for No Country is perfect - it reminds us that your Mother-in-law will eventually lead to your death.
They really do need to alter the title of "First Screenplay" to "First Screenplay for a Theatrically released film." And the same with "First Film." I know at least one of the nominees had shot a feature film about five years ago that is lingering in cans under his desk after it couldn't get a release.
And while it was nice that they gave an award to Best Casting director - where the hell is the Best Editing indie award? 95% of the time, it's the smart editor that saves the indie film. Guess the folks at the Indie Awards think that all you need is a director, casting director, script and cameraman to create a film. Respect the man who saves the film from the director's ego!
Posted by corey3rd
at February 24, 2008 10:14 AM
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Arran
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I don't think Juno SHOULD win, but I'm starting to hope it will just so it'll piss off bloggers, commentators, and message board posters the world over.
Is it just me, or is there some sort of odd internet "culture" these days where the above types are doing their best to be the first to say they hate something, JUST so they can act all smug when a backlash begins?
Posted by Arran
at February 24, 2008 10:35 AM
comment #46
christian
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Too much dust in this sandbox.
Posted by christian
at February 24, 2008 10:58 AM
comment #47
George Prager
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Worst posts on this thread:
1.Don't be a cunt.
Posted by: BurmaShave
2. Stacy name 3 bands you like bitch. That music is amazing.
Posted by: berkguru
3. name 3 bands stacy - need you to enlighten me
Posted by: berkguru
4. Stacy Atlas doesn't like the music from ONCE because it is difficult to strip to without crying. Sadly for her (and her lessened collection of dollar bills) it's awesome when strippers cry. Much like Diablo Cody will when she doesn't win the Oscar for best original screenplay.
And roquentin - you are exactly right about the apple-cart aspects of JUNO and LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE. They both blow equally. Though LMS uses its teeth in a less appealing way.
Posted by: bmcintire
5. I hope to never hear anymore of that crappy music from ONCE again for the rest of my life. A bullet could put those awful singers out of their misery.
Posted by: Stacy Atlas
Posted by George Prager
at February 24, 2008 11:05 AM
comment #48
BurmaShave
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Number 1 with a bullet! My apologies.
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 24, 2008 11:24 AM
comment #49
BurmaShave
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By the way, I may be a terrible person, but I feel like I should get points for being concise.
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 24, 2008 11:25 AM
comment #50
George Prager
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Yes, your brevity was heartfelt. If you're going to say something nasty, you should always be concise. This "Stacy Atlas doesn't like the music from ONCE because it is difficult to strip to without crying" stuff is so tiresome.
Posted by George Prager
at February 24, 2008 11:40 AM
comment #51
Fred Mounts
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I'll try to bring the nice: Ellen Page looks adorable in that photo.
Posted by Fred Mounts
at February 24, 2008 11:48 AM
comment #52
BurmaShave
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You should see her on the cover of the new INTERVIEW magazine. Yowza. I'm all confused and flustered.
Posted by BurmaShave
at February 24, 2008 12:42 PM
comment #53
Fred Mounts
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I think that she should stick with adorable, cute, etc... She doesn't seem sexy to me. Of course, I've always been more attracted to cute than sexy, so I'm a bit biased.
The Interview photo reminded me of the Kate Beckinsale photo that was on here recently, and Kate wins in that contest, hands down (and possibly touching something! - or not; I couldn't resist).
Posted by Fred Mounts
at February 24, 2008 1:20 PM
comment #54
Zac Bertschy
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That SNL sketch was painful. Yes, those are quotes from There Will Be Blood and No Country. Yep we get it. No, nobody in the audience saw either of those films. Laziest bit of "oscar comedy" I've seen in a while, and yes, that was officially the death blow for the extremely tired Milkshake line.
Posted by Zac Bertschy
at February 24, 2008 3:27 PM