comment #1

Suki Jonze says ...

Racist is racist, thats all...

Suki Jonze
http://www.hollywood-newsroom.com

comment #2

siowafc says ...

Good stuff, but--in a way--he essentially proves that the racial double standard that Ferraro was discussing DOES exist. Every action that the CIinton campaign takes in viewed through a racial eye and it is somewhat unfair that there is a higher standard when running against an African American candidate rather than someone else. The 3AM ad wasn't racist, and it is not racist to bring up the point--whether it is true or not--whether the Obama campaign would be in the same position if Barack was not an African American. Ferraro never said that Obama shouldn't be president because he was black, but merely pointing out a phenomenon that does occur in politics. There does seem to be some sort of shield of invincibility around the Obama campaign that racial issues of any kind cannot be discussed, especially when Clinton is percieved as weak when she displays "womanly" traits (i.e. New Hampshire). That IS a double standard and I don't really know why that is.

comment #3

IndyNick says ...

Thank you, siowafc

You're a voice of reason in a blogosphere of lunacy

Edward R Murrow wouldn't allow Keith Olbermann to wipe his backside, and it is an atrocious incorporation of Murrow's legacy for Keith to think otherwise.

comment #4

MAGGA says ...

I like it. It runs a bit long, like Magnolia. Americans are very dramatic. It seems like he think he is speaking directly to his leaders, maybe someone should tell him he's on candid camera. Do any good comedians do Olbermann? He needs to be done, and he needs it now. Sydney Pollack should play him. No, Tom Cruise. And how come he always quotes that movie. Did George Clooney have a time machine or something? Imagine if the earthis an electron on an atom in a being just like us. Imagine Keith Olbermanns reaction when he hears that. It would blow his mind. I think we've got the ball running on a blockbuster here. Don Murphy, can you greenlight this! Jason Pollock should play the lead. No, Tom Cruise. Does anybody know what sciontolgists believe in?

comment #5

MAGGA says ...

I was just joking about Magnolia.

comment #6

mutinyco says ...

McCain can play the frog.

comment #7

MAGGA says ...

Shit yeah! I'm on it. We need to make a youtube clip where we CGI McCains head onto all those frogs in Magnolia, with that music "it's not going to stop, till you wise up", and they're totally gonna think we're trying to get Hillary or someone elected, but then we hit them with the truth: "So just give up". A little kid could watch it and grow up to be Kurt Cobain. Or Tom Cruise.

comment #8

rr3333 says ...

What a blowhard.

comment #9

Walter Sobchak says ...

Walter Sobchak says....

Thanks for the link. I've GOT to start watching this show. (that should bring the audience into triple digits!) This was the funniest thing I've seen in days.

The gaseous hubris and smug self-importance of Mr. Keith is gob-smackingly high-larious. You can actually hear him foaming at the mouth. I can't help picturing Keith, at the end of his "comment", toasting the photo of Murrow in his dressing room and saying something like, "we really slayed 'em tonight, Edward R."

What a monumental douche bag.

comment #10

MDOC says ...

rr3333 beat me to it, but it bears repeating. What a blowhard. I expected better, just a weak pile on attempt with dialed up mock outrage, boring.

comment #11

Mr. Muckle says ...

Well, Olbermann is the only news media personality who gives me hope for this country. Thank God for him. Wish there were a few more like him.

comment #12

caslab says ...

I particularly liked the part where he pretended it is Sen. Clinton's advisors who have driven her "to this precipice" . . .

comment #13

btwnproductions says ...

I'm mystified by these shows. Why anyone bothers to tune in is beyond me. I'm embarrassed by people who fly a particular pundit's flag and allow them to shape their opinions. The demagoguery is ridiculous.

comment #14

le corbeau says ...

Mickey Kaus on this topic:

"Yes, Ferraro's statement is hypocritical. It drips with unseemly envy and entitlement. It's unrealistic--by the time any politician gets to the stratopsheric level of presidential contender, he or she has almost certainly had some morally arbitrary lucky breaks (like being a black, or an Italian, or a Bush, or just being in the right place at the right time). But why is it "offensive"? It is, after all, true. Maybe that's the problem. Is it 'offensive' to hit too close to the sensitive weak spot of Democratic race-preference ideology in a Democratic primary? I guess."

The only good thing about Keith Olbermann is that he was a Bob & Ray groupie as a kid.

comment #15

Dsizzle says ...

"especially when Clinton is percieved as weak when she displays "womanly" traits (i.e. New Hampshire)"

No, she was perceived as manipulative, not weak. And that's a trait equally practiced by both genders. I can't think of a single article or newsreport that criticized the crying as weakness... the only criticism was that it was an artifice that she dragged out to energize her base of older women who feel maligned by men who don't understand them. If anyone's the sexist, it's Hillary.

comment #16

romeoisbleeding says ...

This isn't the first time Keith has gone on a long rant. He called for Bush to resign for the good of the country a while back and it was magnificent. I have been a fan of Keith's since back in the Sports Center Days with Dan Patrick. Now I make sure I watch his show on MSNBC every night. It is probably the only thing I watch on tv besides movies. Sure he is full of himself etc.. but he makes sense and says things that alot of other people are afraid to say. And yes....he is one of the few people on tv that give me hope.

comment #17

D.Z. says ...

siow: "and it is not racist to bring up the point--whether it is true or not--whether the Obama campaign would be in the same position if Barack was not an African American"

If he was still the same Barack Obama, he probably would be ahead, because no one really likes Hillary, anyway. Ferraro's just jealous, because this is the second time she chose to run with a lemon of a candidate. Anyway, it's racist, because Obama didn't say that he lost Texas, Ohio, and California, because the voters in those states preferred a white woman to a black man. [Though, judging by all the comments thrown at Obama, I'm starting to believe there are a lot of Americans who *don't* like black people getting ahead for some reason...The incident where that local football player got show a few days ago seems to also support the argument.]

"There does seem to be some sort of shield of invincibility around the Obama campaign that racial issues of any kind cannot be discussed, especially when Clinton is percieved as weak when she displays "womanly" traits (i.e. New Hampshire)."

They can discuss issues, as long as they have merit. This clearly did not. And Hillary is perceived as weak, because she is as much a divider as Dubya.

Mgmax: "Is it 'offensive' to hit too close to the sensitive weak spot of Democratic race-preference ideology in a Democratic primary?"

Considering that's something the Republicans like to do[see Rush Limbaugh and the football player.], I'd say yes.

comment #18

D.Z. says ...

From Bushflash.com :

After watching Hillary's behavior for the past few days, I've been shaking my head in wonder. Her campaign has gone from being a symbol of empowerment to women, to become a living validation of the worst elements of contemporary male chauvenist sexism.

You know the crap to which I allude: "Women are flighty," "Women are unpredictable," "Women are irrational," "Women are driven by their emotions, rather than logic."

And the crowning gem of male chauvenism: "Gee- catch a load of HER- she must be on the rag..."

It's all bullshit, of course- if we're honest with ourselves, for every dysfunctional/crazy person we've met of one sex, we've met their equivaled in the opposite sex. The generalizations and crap we burden gender with are archaic, and need to be buried, along with the equally odious unfounded hyperbole that accompanies racism.

However:

What are we to make of a democratic candidate for president that, on the night of a debate, states with apparent sincerety that she is "Honored" to share a stage with her rival, and yet, within 12 hours, is denouncing that same rival as being no better than Karl Rove? What are we to make of a democratic candidate that is endorsing her republican rival, over her democratic competitor? What are we to make of a democratic candidate whose demeanour changes so radically from day to day?

If someone were to make the sexist answer to the aformentioned antisemitic Hippler film, it is doubtful that they would present a figure whose actions could be more irrational and reckless than those which Hillary has displayed, in recent weeks- and it's a damned shame, because we need to have a woman as president of this country- the sooner, the better.

But for every month that Hillary continues in her doomed and fratricidal campaign, and continues to behave in the manner that has so unfortunately become her recent hallmark, she delays the coming certainty of a woman's presidency in this county, by four years.

And yes, I can see the utter unfairness in this conclusion. Heaven knows, for the past few thousand years, many unqualified people have attained office, simply because they possessed a pair of testicles.

Such is our world- and we're certainly not going to overcome this paradigm, when we are stuck with someone such as Hillary to serve as the ground breaker.

comment #19

MikeSchaeferSF says ...

Jeez, Wells, KO ends EVERY show with "good night and good luck".

Why do I get the impression that this is the first time half of you folks have seen Olbermann do his shtick? And shtick is what it is -- he's doing the left-wing equivalent of what O'Reilly does. And that's the whole point, of course, since he's the ONLY guy on the left doing that on TV, as opposed to the dozens of boneheads (Hannity, Beck, etc etc) the righties have to choose from. So hate him if you want, but as MSNBC has found (to their financial delight), he's discovered an underserved demo who are glad to have him.

comment #20

HoopersX says ...

siowafc:

While I see the merit in your observation I think there is something to be said about your last point. You mention that

" especially when Clinton is percieved as weak when she displays "womanly" traits (i.e. New Hampshire). That IS a double standard and I don't really know why that is."

So let me get this straight, somehow it's fair for the Clinton camp to take veiled shots at Obama that clearly contain racial overtones but somehow it's not fair to take shots at Hillary when she cries? If she were a man and had cried you better believe she would have been hammered. It would have been seen as weakness and in all likelihood, would have been the end. However, you don't see anyone really pressing the issue. But she's a woman and to my mind, got a free pass as a result. Howard Dean went apeshit for a split second and was seen as unstable and finished overnight.

So what's the difference? Nothing. She has been the recipient of all the same free passes, just for different reasons. The real difference is that nobody seems to be calling her out for it. The Obama camp certainly aren't. I believe Obama, for the most part, has taken the high road. The same can't be said of Clinton and I think that is where the indignation in Olbermann's commentary comes from.

comment #21

Rod32303 says ...

Made this point in another post....will say it here, too.

How about he's winning because of HIM - a HIM who HAPPENS to be African-American. Maybe Clinton won in 92 because he was white, and Arnold too, and Hutchinson and the hundreds of other WHITE candidates who win. But this is never pointed out. I think mainly because it isn't thought of by those who vote. Especially whites, or White America, who just vote for whom they respond too. So do those of us who are black...we don't go around saying "YES! He's WHITE!" or "I like him cause he's new and fresh and WHITE!" We just vote for those we respond to. It's just that typically, and historically, they've not been of color.

Well, millions are responding to Barack Obama. And I doubt those in Iowa or Deleware, not bastions of black populations, all said, "ooh, he's new and BLACK!"

I don't think that's how people think. I hope not. No doubt we all have things that make us who we are - it would just be nice one day if being a successful, lauded black person, whether running for President, winning an Oscar, head coaching a professional football team, etc. isn't thought of as such an...anomaly

comment #22

mutinyco says ...

Rod, you're right in expressing such an ideal.

However, when whites represent roughly 70% of the population and blacks roughly 12%, then as a functional matter of reality, of proportion, it's always bound to be an issue to some degree.

comment #23

dangovich says ...

So being black actually makes life easier? Who knew! Thanks, commenters!

Here's an idea: why don't those of you who dislike Olbermann speak to what he is saying rather than who he is?

I seriously question the sanity and judgment of anyone who would vote for Hillary. And as for those who would vote for McCain...I would suggest an MRI to confirm the presence of brain tissue.

comment #24

Craptastic says ...

Wells, Olbermann has ended on "Good night and good luck" for over a year now. It's nothing new.

Someone (sorry, can't remember who) a few days ago asked if this was your first time paying attention to an election. I'll take it a notch up.... is this your first time paying attention to television news?

Though I can understand why he ends some of his comments in that post-modern way, and love him to death for the fact that he calls the media, politicians and pop-culture trash on their bullshit... I just wish he had come up with this own sign-off in order to solidifiy himself as one of today's best media folk.

comment #25

Terry McCarty says ...

Here's a blog entry I just posted which comments on Olbermann's hair-splitting commentary:
Keith Olbermann--contortionist.

Here it is: a link to Keith Olbermann's COUNTDOWN "special comment" piece taking on the Hillary campaign and Geraldine Ferraro's "Obama gets a pass because he's black" piece of wink-wink racism.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23601329#23601329

Watch how Keith is oh-so-careful to not actually offend Hillary--teaspooning out some criticism to Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn, while saving the rhetorical shotgun blasts for Geraldine Ferraro because she's a safe safe safe target (Ferraro's political career being pretty much over).

Face it, the buck stops with Hillary Clinton. She--like her husband and daughter--is industrial-strength selfish, being more interested in getting and holding power by any means necessary, the general election and the internal health of the Democratic Party being damned as a result.

And Keith Olbermann is as likely to fearlessly address Hillary's win-at-any-cost malfeasance now--or in the future--as he did the inviting and disinviting of Dennis Kucinich from a recent MSNBC Presidential debate (meaning: not at all).

comment #26

Malone says ...

A B C

Always. Be. Closing.

Anybody. But. Clinton.

Olbermann's an nutjob. A liberal boilerplate-spouting wacko who used to be on Sportscenter, people. And Al Franken, he of the wildly successful Radio America, used to stand in his underwear on SNL. These are paragons of the left? People to be taken seriously?

comment #27

D.Z. says ...

Terry: He legally has to show impartiality.

Malone: "A liberal boilerplate-spouting wacko who used to be on Sportscenter, people."

At least he knows something about sports, which is more than I can say about Limbaugh.

"And Al Franken, he of the wildly successful Radio America, used to stand in his underwear on SNL. "

Better on tv than in a men's restroom...

comment #28

Craptastic says ...

D.Z.-- shut up. I'm taking over for JeffMCM in that department since he's been missing.

Terry, I'm sure the reason why he hasn't come out swinging on Clinton is that there is no "proof" for a lot of her kitchen-sink antics. It's all hearsay, he-said, she-said and "a member of my staff said it but I don't agree".

We all breath a sigh of "Riiiight" when we hear that but it's not news in the traditional sense.

What I like about Olbermann is that he waits until he has solid print, video or audio proof of calling people on their bullshit.

Only a real journalist does that. That's the difference between journalism and blogging, you jackass.

Go hunt and peck about how a two-seater plane crashed in a cemetary and 5,000 people were found dead.

comment #29

Arizona Joe says ...

Olbermann has helped solidify the MSNBC brand. He has a recognizable style and is bright, and funny. And if he is a little liberal, so what? He surely is more objective, less preening and phoney, and more of a journalist than Bill O'Reilly.

Several years ago my brother saw him in a Santa Monica cigar store, and remarked that Olbermann is rather portly, a surprising lummox. Also, Olbermann had some sort of weird accident in which he hit his head on a pipe, and it ruined his eyesight to the point that he cannot drive.

Keith Olbermann, professional but different. He has a big ego, but he also has a sense of decency. He's was good at sports tv. Kudos to him for his current politico broadcast.

"They're not gonna get him"

comment #30

le corbeau says ...

So Hollywood makes a dozen antiwar movies in one year, and the result is...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9016.html

comment #31

T. S. Idiot says ...

Let me begin by saying that Olbermann once gave me a dirty look on the street simply for daring to be on the same sidewalk. He's a liberal in the Jeff Wells tradition: ordinary folks better stay out of his sightline.

I was amused early on by his comment about fighting with himself and wondered if there was video of this phenomenon anywhere. Then, by god, he started fighting with himself. Thought his head was going to explode. Has no one told him television is supposed to be the cool medium? Did like him when he was on ESPN, but his irreverence has descended into pomposity.

Being cool and hip about one subject while being the opposite about something else. Does that remind us of anyone?

comment #32

robbiefantastic says ...

i love the dramatic head down pauses as he switches camera angles......wonder how many times he rehearsed this one in the mirror......

comment #33

George Prager says ...

Mgmax pulled a christian with that link.
It's like saying "Bon Jovi's 2008 CD sales highest since 2006"

In other news: This should be the most entertaining book of the year:

Nixonland
The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America
By Rick Perlstein
http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=617952

comment #34

JHRussell says ...

Why is it that white libs, the very people who promote identity / racial / gender politics in this country, race to the open mic to decry "racism" at every mere mention of skin color?

Obama comes across as very thin-skinned in all of this. I am reminded how he got his "feelings hurt" when someone (Maureen Dowd?) made fun of his ears...he should leave the whining about these racial slights to some flunky surrogate.

comment #35

le corbeau says ...

I'm not claiming it had anything to do with anything, I just find it amusing that Hollywood started at 20 dollars a week and worked its way up to 17.50, so to speak.

comment #36

le corbeau says ...

What will probably prove relevant is this footage of Obama's nutter preacher:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_on_film.html

I don't necessarily hold people responsible for the crazy shit coming from the pulpit at the church they go to, but Obama's white appeal has obviously been built on NOT being of the Sharpton school of black politicians/preachers and general grievance toward Whitey, that lunchbucket union base of the Dem party will rightly wonder how the guy from the Harvard Law Review can consider himself oppressed by them...

comment #37

George Prager says ...

I'm just trying to remember all of those antiwar movies from last year...SpiderMan 3, Pirates of the Caribbean, Knocked Up?

"he should leave the whining about these racial slights to some flunky surrogate."

I think he is doing that. I just heard him on the radio saying those comments were ridiculous but not racist.

comment #38

George Prager says ...

This is funny:

Despite his incredible wealth, multi-billionaire Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor haggled with one of the Emperors Club girls for the cost of their date, according to the report.

Prostitute Zana Brazdek, then 26, described the 56-year-old Grosvenor as dull and demanding.

"I thought his conversation was quite boring," the Lithuanian woman told the newspaper. "He talked about the Army, going to Afghanistan and bin Laden. And he wanted unprotected sex. I refused."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/03/12/2008-03-12_richest_man_in_england_also_a_regular_of.html

comment #39

le corbeau says ...

"I'm just trying to remember all of those antiwar movies from last year...SpiderMan 3, Pirates of the Caribbean, Knocked Up?"

You're right as the king of a Kingdom full of lions for lambs in the valley of Elah, George, my mighty heart can't think of a single rendition of a war on terror/Iraq theme last year. It's like it's been redacted from my brain!

comment #40

GonePostal says ...

Olbermann seems to take himself way, way too seriously. He has a quick wit and is pretty good on MSNBC's election coverage, but I hope a lot of his stuff is just schtick, because if he does take himself that seriously, he's a sterotypical humorless blowhard, like O'Reiley only smarter, but no less boorish.

I don't see Ferraro's comments as inherently racist, since there is truth in them, and she was correct in saying that if her name was Gerald Ferrao and she was a man she would never have been a Veep nominee. If, say, George H.W. Bush had said that in 1984 about her, he'd be right, and he's probably be smeared as sexist. Olbermann is right that the Clinton campaign does seem a little desperate and schizophrenic right now, but her comments are not cheap, vile or racist. That makes good copy, I guess, but not good commentary.

comment #41

corey3rd says ...

Ferraro's racism is in the fact that she appears to believe that any black man running for president is merely a gimmick and not a true candidate. Her problem is that she looks at Obama and sees him as black whereas an optimist sees him as half white.

far as Keith goes, I've met several "nice" TV personalities who will give you the stare when you approach them. There's enough nuts out in the world who will kill you. The stare is immediate protection. Nuts will charge, sane people will back off. Plus you're talking the streets of NYC. You don't stare directly at people in Manhattan - it's the law of the jungle.

comment #42

Michael says ...

If Obama was a white man, he'd basically be John Edwards. On a purely analatical level, what Ferraro said was correct. The elite isn't licking his ass because of his policy knowledge.

comment #43

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "So Hollywood makes a dozen antiwar movies in one year, and the result is...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9016.html"

The U.S. ultimately succeeding in Iraq does not = us staying. And Americans suddenly uncertain about that does not mean that they will suddenly change in your favor. Anyway, those polls have yet to translate into the other side winning the election this year-especially in Maryland and Illinois.

"I don't necessarily hold people responsible for the crazy shit coming from the pulpit at the church they go to, but Obama's white appeal has obviously been built on NOT being of the Sharpton school of black politicians/preachers and general grievance toward Whitey, that lunchbucket union base of the Dem party will rightly wonder how the guy from the Harvard Law Review can consider himself oppressed by them..."

How many black people attend Harvard on a regular basis?

JHR: "Why is it that white libs, the very people who promote identity / racial / gender politics in this country, race to the open mic to decry "racism" at every mere mention of skin color?"

Because it's usually not a mere mention of skin color?

Postal: "I don't see Ferraro's comments as inherently racist, since there is truth in them,"

So by that logic, Tiger Woods and Jackie Robinson were given a free pass, too.

"and she was correct in saying that if her name was Gerald Ferrao and she was a man she would never have been a Veep nominee."

That's assuming that Mondale was guaranteed to be the Presidential nominee; and as we've seen, these things are crap-shoots, especially with the delegates. But even if that were the case, I imagine Mondale went for the candidate who he believed reflected the party's agenda.

"but her comments are not cheap, vile or racist. "

Only if you're pretending to be "color-blind".

comment #44

rr3333 says ...

Olbermann should go back to what he does best ... comment on the 'Wild & Wacky' in the world of sports.

I too saw him once, at the Whole Foods in Columbus Circle, looking just like his MSNBC pompous 'persona'.

comment #45

D.Z. says ...

Michael: "If Obama was a white man, he'd basically be John Edwards. "

If John Edwards had a back-bone and charisma, then sure.

comment #46

T. S. Idiot says ...

"I too saw him once, at the Whole Foods in Columbus Circle, looking just like his MSNBC pompous 'persona'." I saw him at 57th and 8th, so he must live in the neighborhood. Anyone up for a let's-scare-the-shit-out-of-Olbermann field trip?

From the story forwarded by Prager: "Grosvenor entertained an Asian woman in knee-high boots." I don't think he was the one doing the entertaining. And what's wrong with having sex with Asian women in knee-high boots, I ask you? I have this slight abrasion on my . . . .

comment #47

le corbeau says ...

"How many black people attend Harvard on a regular basis?"

To judge by the Obamas, 100%.

Obviously the point is not the state of black America, it's the non-viability of a black Democratic party candidate with a household income of nearly a million dollars a year lecturing white blue collar types about racism. Regardless of the validity or not of that argument, it's a good way to end the election having won the District of Columbia.

comment #48

George Prager says ...

"You're right as the king of a Kingdom full of lions for lambs in the valley of Elah, George, my mighty heart can't think of a single rendition of a war on terror/Iraq theme last year. It's like it's been redacted from my brain!"

As Saul Bellow said: 'We don't have tasks. We have inspirations.''

Who cares about those movies? Actually the Kingdom was ok. The other three I haven't seen. So there were 5 movies about Arab Iraq War stuff last year. That's not a lot.

comment #49

vp19 says ...

Unfortunately, we've reached the point in our society that a politician of any race or gender isn't considered qualified unless he or she attended an Ivy League school somewhere down the line, which is one of the things that doomed John Edwards; it's meritocracy ad absurdum. It also narrows the gap of serious candidates to those favored by the corporate elite who also attended these institutions (political networking, so to speak).

comment #50

George Prager says ...

That's like ad absurdum and shit...I didn't know that the US Naval Academy was an Ivy League school.

comment #51

AbeGoldfarb says ...

So, Mgmax, you're saying that Obama doesn't have the right to indict racism (which, by the way, he more or less HASN'T) because of his education and income? After Ferraro's outrageous comment, which was not about how new and exciting he is but about the alleged unfair advantages black people get because of their magical skin color? Fuck that, and fuck people who condone it. You can't BUY your way out of being discriminated against, as the Ferraro incident has proved. The idea that black people (or ANY minority) are somehow privileged above and beyond straight white Christians is patently absurd, and it's a sour grapes attitude usually perpetrated by Conservatives who want all right-thinking people to feel like they're culturally under siege. I'm just miserable to see a Democrat espousing it.

comment #52

le corbeau says ...

Abe Goldfarb, you've worked yourself into a lather without actually reading my comment. You could believe all that stuff about how every black man is automatically more of a victim than any white man; I reject the whole game of Who's the Bigger Victim as a basis for politics, so I'll happily cede that realm to you.

The point is, what will win in November? Obama the post-racial Mr. Cool who proves that you're not racist by voting for him can win. Obama the highly privileged beneficiary of everyone's desire to see a charismatic black student succeed who turns out to subscribe to Sharpton-style professional grievance is a sure loser. Argue those points if you want to argue with me, because those ARE my points.

comment #53

christian says ...

"These are paragons of the left? People to be taken seriously?"

And the man who co-starred with a monkey became the right's greatest hero. And the guy who played a robot and was a bodybuilder is a California governor. Come on.

comment #54

le corbeau says ...

"Unfortunately, we've reached the point in our society that a politician of any race or gender isn't considered qualified unless he or she attended an Ivy League school"

I hardly think we've REACHED that recently, considering the long history of Ivy League presidents. Nevertheless, despite the jeers of patrician snobs who look down on presidents who've worked with monkeys rather than attended school on Daddy's money, occasionally we're able to elect the self-educated, or the graduate of Whittier College or Eureka College. At least, Republicans can, but then they tend not to be as upper class and money-obsessed as Democrats.

comment #55

AbeGoldfarb says ...

Mgmax, I'm saying that whenever people refer to those privileges people get because they're black/gay/whatever, it's a bogus argument. I'm also saying that Obama has refused to play the victim role despite being subject to a barrage of insults and slights intended to make him do so. I'm also saying that he has the right to comment on it if he wants without being a hypocrite. And frankly, I could care less which Obama wins because I like him a lot, I think he's smart as a whip, and I think he's got his heart in the right place.

I could give a fuck about who's the Bigger Victim. I don't think black people are inherently bigger victims, and frankly, that's not my point or my concern. What I care about is the fact that another Democrat is piling on this reprehensible nonsense. I can almost ignore it when yet another right-wing pundit spouts racist bile because I expect it now. But not a Democrat. It's ugly, and it should not be condoned.

comment #56

christian says ...

Mgmax, how about patrician snobs who look down on Hollywood despite the sources of right wing power it often respresents?

comment #57

le corbeau says ...

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Oh, and by the way, do you realize how hard it is being a cripple? Yeah, you may be out of work, your family may be starving, but at least you have two good legs to go out and look for work on. I'm sitting here with two popsicle sticks in a chair. Oh, and my wife's probably one of those Willa Cather-Gertrude Stein types that likes seafood, if you get my meaning. Quit whining, you lazy son of a bitch, and go get a job." --Franklin D. Roosevelt, in the speech that led to President Landon's landslide victory in 1936

comment #58

AbeGoldfarb says ...

Jesus, Mgmax, people call liberals smug.

comment #59

T. S. Idiot says ...

FDR would not say "types that."

comment #60

Gaydos says ...

AbeGoldfarb wrote: "It's ugly and it should not be condoned." And people want to debate that????

I have never been an Olbermann fan, but I respected the guy for saying just that last night, about people he clearly knows well and has staunchly supported in the past. What's wrong with a little moral fervor when someone who wants to run the country runs a campaign like this is Alabama 1958?

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mutinyco says ...

Can we please update the site with some new posts already? It's consistently unpleasant to click over hear to keep being confronted with: "Cheap, ignorant, vile racism"...

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D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "Obviously the point is not the state of black America, it's the non-viability of a black Democratic party candidate with a household income of nearly a million dollars a year lecturing white blue collar types about racism."

And how many black Americans make a million dollars a year or more again?

"You could believe all that stuff about how every black man is automatically more of a victim than any white man"

They are in New Orleans and Darfur, anyway...

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Oh, and by the way, do you realize how hard it is being a cripple? Yeah, you may be out of work, your family may be starving, but at least you have two good legs to go out and look for work on. I'm sitting here with two popsicle sticks in a chair."

Try telling that to an American vet.

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D.Z. says ...

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