comment #1

christian says ...

"He needs to stand up, clench his fist and say to the heavens, "I'll never be taken down by that bitch and her henchmen again! "

This is why Clinton is pulling ahead. Women are tired of this macho bullshit. They're going to change the power dynamic. It has nothing to do with attack ads. And if Obama couldn't pull in Ohio and Texas with his massive war chest, he's screwed as a prez candidate.

Should you tell Obama to drop out now?

comment #2

JHRussell says ...

Neither Obama or Clinton will have enough pledged delegate votes to win when they get to the convention. It will be up to the super delegates to cast the deciding votes - idiotic of the Dems not to foresee such a fiasco - but who is to say that Hillary should not win if she continues to win primaries and has the momentum going into the convention?

What are you Obama fanboys afraid of? That he might lose? He had a very bad week that had nothing to do with Clinton throwing any sinks at him - he and his people freaking LIED about the Canada/NAFTA mess, and Obama's benefactor felon crony is on trial. Who knows what else might pop up in the next couple of months?

comment #3

Edward says ...

It's not like she trounced him, the numbers were pretty close. CNN did a what if scenario that showed that even if Clinton wins big in the rest of the primaries (counting last night) she still wouldn't have enough delegates to win.

comment #4

vansmith says ...

he cant attack her too much,otherwise women will step up their support, viewing it as a gender thing, its tricky for him, i think he shot his load...

comment #5

mutinyco says ...

Be glad Hillary only threw the sink and feces at him. The GOP will throw a Mack Truck and an entire sewage plant.

comment #6

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Russell: He and his people lied? Nooooo! If that's true I'm switching my support to Hillary. I mean, I had no idea...

comment #7

MASON says ...

I can see it now -- the super delegates give Hillary the nomination and the democratic party is damaged beyond repair in the process. Not that the GOP is any different -- the election could seriously come down to how many republicans hold their nose and vote for McCain compared to how many disgusted dems hold their nose and vote for Hillary.

comment #8

OddDuck says ...

I am SOOOOOO glad that Wells isn't as bad a movies blogger as he is a political analysist.

comment #9

T. S. Idiot says ...

Wells' publicizing Jack's endorsement was a big factor.

comment #10

dangovich says ...

I agree with Jeff. It's time for Obama to sling some mud. And Hillary has plenty of it.

The bottom line is this: Obama will beat McCain; Hillary won't.

If the Dems want to return to the White House, they will get behind Obama.

comment #11

christian says ...

Obama will beat McCain; Hillary won't.

I love this logic. If Clinton won Ohio and Texas, and Obama can't, how does this show Obama will beat McCain?

comment #12

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Christian: Obama has been playing the macho bullshit card, you're saying, and women are sick of it? You can't be saying that. If anything, he hasn't played that card enough. Wells to Odd Duck: The stuff I just wrote above has been said and echoed by political columnists everywhere. Why does it call my political assessments into question? There's no rational or comparative basis for what you're saying. Plus I know how to write.

comment #13

Todd says ...

So if I vote for the inexperienced arrogant "former" coke user I'm smart but if I vote for the disciplined focused female candidate I'm stupid? Hillary has been winning the big states and the popular vote. So why should Obama be appointed the Democrats nominee? If it were not for the blacks and college kids believing the hype of Obama. We would not be here discussing any of this. EXPERIENCE is important. As much as you female hating men on this site hate to admit it.

comment #14

Mr. Muckle says ...

I don't think he was taken down. He was 20 points behind in the polls in Texas a few weeks ago, and he reduced that deficit to almost nothing. His delegate lead is almost unchanged. Why buy into the phony Clinton exultation for a "victory" that was essentially meaningless?

And by what you call "alpha uplift only getting you so far" you posit that Obama's thrust is only another cynical campaign strategy to be changed as meets the perceived needs of the moment, rather than a deeper question of his essential character. If that's the case, who frickin' cares? If you have to cheat to beat a cheater, the game ain't even real.

Take the worst demagogic browbeater in memory, Joseph McCarthy. He wasn't brought down by the same tactics he used, but was eventually shamed by honest and decent citizens and dissenting voices in the media. If we have few enough of those to put politics on the right road again, there's nothing left that anyone can do.

comment #15

JHRussell says ...

Obama could not close the sale...he outspent Clinton 4 to 1 on media buys in Texas and Ohio...he had all the momentum...and now his campaign bus is in the ditch.

Hillary is going to take this all the way to the convention because Obama will not have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot, and all of those super delegates will be up for grabs...

comment #16

Redmond says ...

"And now the concern is that come April 22nd the fearful, insufficently educated lunchbox proles in Pennsylvania (along with that state's insufficiently educated white women over 50) will probably give her another win."

Dude, I live in Pennsylvania and that's probably the most accurate description I've ever heard. After, of course, James Carville's infamous description of Pennsylvania as "Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with Alabama in between." I live in between. It's that bad.

But, still, Hillary's gain yesterday was just barely past the single digits.

comment #17

MoisesChiu says ...

Hillary's "Texas win" is a 64-62 delegate split with Obama from the Primary voting. That does not include the Caucus delegates, which total more than either of them got last night. If early returns are any indication, Obama is well ahead of her there.

Hillary said "let's count the votes" so we will. Clinton won Rhode Island and Ohio, but Texas ain't done counting and Obama's delegate lead is almost the exact same it was.

comment #18

christian says ...

Jeff, YOU'VE been playing the macho bullshit card, along with a lot of other Obama-ites. He doesn't have to slime when he's got a whole base to do it for him.

My point is that women are tired of the men-folk fucking up. Sisters will try it for themselves. You really think Rush is afeared of Obama? The thought of Clinton terrifies him. This is not an endorsement of Clinton, just objective reportage, the kind mostly unavailble in these days of gut-level groupthink.

comment #19

Hash says ...

This message is brought to you in part by the over-40, insufficiently educated Jeffrey Wells.

comment #20

thorsen1nk says ...

Hilary was looking for any excuse to stay in the race, and her dirty, cornered-animal tactics will continue all the way to the convention, making any possibility of an Obama-Clinton ticket impossible.

At the convention, there will be two outcomes:

1) Obama prevails after being bloodied and bruised by Clinton, who is essentially doing the Republicans' dirty work for them right now by highlighting all his vulnerabilities.

2) Clinton wins after much back-room arm-twisting, turning off many of the people who Obama drew into he process. In particular, young voters and black voters walk away more cynical than ever, and political neophytes are turned off of democracy altogether.

Either way, I got $20 we'll see McCain on the podium next January. Congratulations, Democrats! You've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory AGAIN. I am, as of this morning, officially an independent after voting democratic all my life. And if Obama isn't nominated, this will be the first election I sit out since I turned 18 in 1990.

comment #21

Josh Massey says ...

"It's also a fact that the Republicans are tickled, delighted....rolling around on the ground."

Yup.

comment #22

gansibele says ...

Congratulations Thorsen! Throwing a fit if your candidate doesn't get the nod and sitting out the election is the surest way to ensure a McCain presidency, four more years in Iraq and most likely Iran.

comment #23

SaveFarris says ...

The problem for Obama is that he CAN'T start slinging mud because it eviscerates his entire "I'm a different breed of politician" campaign. You can't be agent of change if you're using the same old playbook.

comment #24

Edward says ...

Great attitude thorsn1nk - If you're guy isn't in you sit it out. What about the local races, the state races, you going to pout and ignore them too?

comment #25

christian says ...

Obama or Die!

comment #26

mutinyco says ...

We'll be in Iraq another 4 years regardless of who's elected. Best case scenario is a Korea-like situation.

I just want to clarify something real quick. This current Democratic battle does not exist because Hillary is some evil witch practicing dirty politics. The fact is, if anybody remembers back just 3 months ago, she was not only the accepted nominee but the accepted next president -- and this goes for both Dems and Reps.

The reason this battle is happening is because Obama decided to piss on her parade and try to take the nomination/presidency from her. And, as is her right, she's fighting back. That's all.

And if you think her tactics are hardball, I assure you, she's wearing gloves. The GOP will wear brass knuckles and carry chains and pipes. The avenues of attack that she's pursuing are based on the exact reasons I thought Obama was a weak candidate nationally in the first place -- nothing new, folks.

comment #27

Dave says ...

Obama lost last night. Period.

Folks can count delegates, talk about victory margins, etc., but once again, Hillary was expected to lose, and she didn't.

Now, it's true that it's a near-mathematical impossibility for her to lock up the nomination. But the same is true for Obama. This will not be decided on the first ballot at the convention.

So, the convention is six very, VERY long months away. Assuming that we find ourselves in this same position a couple of months from now, what then? What next? It's going to be a backroom knife-fight, plain and simple.

And the rules are going to help both sides, and screw both sides over, all at the same time. Clinton will have room to complain, Obama will have room to complain, and they'll both be 100% correct to complain.

Unfortunately, much like pesky things like Florida election law annoyed people in 2000, pesky things like internal Democratic Party rules are going to annoy Clinton & Obama voters for months to come.

Honestly, at this point? I have no clue what's going to happen. Unlike the all-knowing wisdom internet of film critic Jeffrey Wells, my day job is in Washington politics, and at this stage of the game, all I can point out are possibilities and scenarios. Shit, this stuff stumps the professionals, I'm not suprised that a good-natured spectator like Jeff gets suckered in time and time again by his partisan enthusiasms.

As for Republicans being tickled? Nah. Just bemused. All I can say about that is there was a good, sound reason to rely on "winner take all" primaries. If this current stalemate fatally wounds Democratic chances in 2008, I'll bet $5 that the Democrats switch to the winner-take-all format in 2012. Right now, that's the only prediction I'm confident of.

Oh, that, and that we're going to continue to get Jeff slamming every single person who votes for anyone other than Barack Obama. For now he's reserving his anger for Hillary voters, but it'll be the Republican voter's time in turn.

comment #28

OddDuck says ...

Wells, what you do isn't really analysis so much as cheerleading taken to the demented extreme. You used the words "vile" and "reprehensible" to describe Hillary Clinton's personality yesterday. I'm sure I could find, I don't know, a MILLION MORE over the top references like that in your posts over the past six months.

I get it, you REALLY, REALLY like Obama, but it's pretty obvious you've let that emotion dominate your analysis. And as a result some of your more hyperbolic posts come off, to put it gently, as fucking retarded.

I'm not even a hardcore Hillary supporter, like both of them a lot and will enthusiastically support Obama in a general election with my money and time should he be the democratic nominee. Would YOU do the same for Hillary? How could you for such a vile and reprehensible person?

comment #29

cbuckie says ...

mutinyco, Very well said. People are acting like somehow Clinton is the spoiler when actually it is the other way around. Before these recent primaries it was being said that she should drop out for the good of the party. Obama should drop out now for the good of the party.

comment #30

nemo says ...

Good grief, it's still a draw. It's still a horse race.

I like Obama a little better than HRC, but nobody has done or said anything all that terrible yet. You get knocked down, you get dirty, you get your nose bloodied. Big deal. You get back on your feet. In the words of Chicago's Finley Peter Dunne, "Politics ain't beanbag."

The less-known continuation of Dunne's quotation goes: "Tis a man's game, and women, children, and prohibitionists had best stay out of it."

Well, women are in the game in this century, throwing punches with the rest of them. They shouldn't worry about being called bitches.

If anything, Hillary is the one who had the Scarlett O'Hare "I won't go hungry anymore" moment in the last few weeks. She's been declared dead while she's still standing. So was McCain only a few months ago when Romney was still riding high and McCain's campaign coffers were running on empty.

Also, wasn't that a carrot rather than a radish Scarlett dug out of the ground and ate with the dirt still on it? I'll have to watch GWTW again just for that scene.

comment #31

Dave says ...

One comment/clarification:

If Obama is the nominee, the Republicans WILL be wearing gloves, because they will have to in our media environment. How many cable pundits and editorial pages are dreaming of taking the first shot at the "racist GOP" for picking on Saint Obama?

Fact is, the reason popular wisdom believes that Obama defeats McCain isn't because he's a stronger candidate. If anything, against McCain Obama is a bunny. The trouble is, McCain and the Republican Party will be unable to hit Obama as hard as they'd like because many of their punches will be pulled. Whether Blue Staters feel that "Rethuglicans" are racists or not, while running against the first black nominee, the GOP can't afford to even *appear* to be racist.

Against Hillary, a known quantity for well over a decade, the GOP won't have its hand tied behind its back. Against Obama, it's a campaign manager's nightmare.

All because we live in a country that paradoxically ISN'T racist, but in its political correctness is obsessed with racism, and any whiff of it.

Weird world.

As for the fear of the Big Bad GOP, I know that all my Democratic friends here and abroad continue to ascribe some sort of malevolent genius to the Republican Party's campaign abilities, but really, we lose elections, too. If Karl Rove is an evil genius in 2000 and 2004, what happened in 2006?

The fact is, elections are big, complex, chaotic things that can't be "controlled" or "managed," let alone easily understood. Parties and candidates win for all kinds of reasons, some smart, some very, very dumb. Sometimes they win dirty, sometimes they win because they're better, sometimes they win because it was just their time to win.

Honestly, Republicans do some things better than Dems, some things worse. In the end, it's a wash, and comes down to each individual candidate's strengths and weaknesses.

comment #32

Arran says ...

This is appalling.

It's "feel BAD", not "feel BADLY". "Feel badly" would indicated that there is something wrong with your mechanism for feeling. Has no one seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang?

comment #33

Josh Massey says ...

In actual movie news, will Patrick Swayze end next year's "In Memoriam" segment?

Reports are surfacing saying he only has five weeks to live.

comment #34

mrmystery says ...

Jeff
you're right about one thing, GOP voters are laughing hard at Hillary's comeback. We're going to have months of fun while those two tear each other up, and as a bonus, plenty of time for Obama's ivy leage lawyer wife to yap on about how "mean" america is and how she suffers through every morning wondering how she will face the day. "put some ice on it" as bill clinton would say.
really looking forward to things getting uglier.

comment #35

Arran says ...

Josh, everything I've seen about Swayze cites The National Enquirer as the only source. Might wanna hold off on the flood of tears until the man himself confirms it.

comment #36

Zimmergirl says ...

Right, Mr. Mystery. And in the meantime, McCain starts to look better and better to voters overall.
And so it goes. History will have to wait.

comment #37

nemo says ...

"put some ice on it" as bill clinton would say.

Exactly. As my brother-in-law says to his kids when they're wailing over nothing: "You're OK."

comment #38

christian says ...

"And in the meantime, McCain starts to look better and better to voters overall."

Then the country is already screwed if people can be so easily woo'd to Bush lite. The voters are the problem.

comment #39

mrmystery says ...

"The voters are the problem."

Only if they don't vote the way you want them too. I know the feeling, circa 2006.
But didn't you feel the same way about the adoring throngs fainting to Obama's empty pap?

comment #40

nemo says ...

"The fact is, elections are big, complex, chaotic things that can't be "controlled" or "managed," let alone easily understood. . . ."

Political discussion here (like political discussions everywhere) often descend to a low level. But Dave's posting is an example of what I often like about political discussion here.

Even though I agree with MgMax and Dave very little in politics, I do look forward to reading their political postings. I don't agree with their conclusions, but they (and other conservatives) often have a lot of smart, pragmatic things to say.

And hey, even the best evil genius like Karl Rove has his off days. Just ask Dr. Evil, or any James Bond villain.

comment #41

christian says ...

I'm not talking Republicans here. If Democrats feel they have to vote for McCain to "stop" Clinton, that is a voter problem. It's foolish, short-sighted and destructive.

I haven't heard Clinton supporters say they'd never vote for Obama, but the petulant Obama-ites are ready to keep the country in the GOP's fumbling stumbling hands if things don't go their way. Makes no sense.

comment #42

MikeSchaeferSF says ...

Arran: as the saying goes, "If the Enquirer says you have cancer... see your doctor immediately"

comment #43

Dave Polands Gut says ...

McCain is going to win in a landslide.

comment #44

deadre says ...

what a seriously rude post! I'm for Obama but I would almost seriously rethink it were I hear anyone in the media express themselves as rudely as you do. There's no reason to insult Hilary's demographic as I doubt you're in Obama's.

comment #45

IowaBoy says ...

Everyone take a breath. This is one day among many. I'm an Obama supporter and felt kicked in the gut this morning, but I got up, dusted myself off and went about my day. I volunteered at my son's kindergarten this morning, and helping kids make paper bunnies seemed a lot more important than ... well, anything.

My 2 cents: The math is the math is the math. Obama will lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote going into the convention, and Clinton won't have a good reason why those two factors should not decide the nominee. Her supporters can argue about "momentum" all they want--it doesn't matter if she doesn't have more delegates. She wins big states? Doesn't matter--you need to win more delegates. These "superdelegates" DO NOT want to decide the election, so they'll fall back on the math. Democrats cried foul when Gore won the popular vote but "lost" the electoral vote in 2000. What would Gore say about this?

comment #46

DarthCorleone says ...

Dave>> "All because we live in a country that paradoxically ISN'T racist, but in its political correctness is obsessed with racism, and any whiff of it."

I see what you're saying here and agree that this is true to a certain extent (and more specifically true in certain places), but it's dismissive to give the entire country a pass on racism. Racism is still prevalent, and it does still have an effect at the polls. We are only forty years removed from the Civil Rights Movement, after all.

I believe there are enough voters that are annoyed by political correctness and hypersensitive about judging candidates on their qualifications such that - while there would be challenges - I doubt McCain would treat Obama like a bunny. That said, it will be interesting to see if McCain is perceived to go too far. In that race we could very well end up with some very silly media back-and-forth as to what falls under the banner of political correctness and what does not.

But...today I'm thinking that Hillary might have the inside track again, so that could all be moot.

comment #47

Terry McCarty says ...

Arran wrote:
Josh, everything I've seen about Swayze cites The National Enquirer as the only source. Might wanna hold off on the flood of tears until the man himself confirms it.

On PerezHilton.com, someone wrote in saying that Swayze's in rehearsals for a "cheerleader movie" and that he doesn't look to be at death's door.

comment #48

chicbn872 says ...

This thread is pretty much dead in the water so Jeff may not read this one but...

...I voted for Hillary in the TX Democratic Primary...and I'm a registered Republican.

Hillary = Bad Ideals, Bad Promises, Bad Ideas
Obama = Empty Rhetoric, No Ideas, Bad Ideals

comment #49

Dave says ...

Nemo-- thanks for the compliment. I just try to follow two simple rules:

1. 99.9% of politics isn't the most important thing in the world, let alone our lives;
2. It's okay to disagree, as long as it's done in good faith with the desire to find the common ground.

We're all Americans here. (Or Canadians-- same difference ;-). We all have far more in common with each other than we do with anyone outside of our borders. I count many liberals and Democrats as my closest friends. I don't enjoy the company of many of the people who share my political views.

I don't dismiss the seriousness of the issues in play-- I just grow tired of people getting all-consumed by politics, especially the superficial, one-inch deep marketing of politics. It's fun, sure, but it's NOT a game, at least insofar as none of this is done for our entertainment, and our preferred candidates are not sports teams to root for, or Oscar nominees to champion.

comment #50

christian says ...

And despite the best efforts of the corporate MSM and phony democrats everywhere (Hi Kos!) Dennis Kucinich easily defeated his challengers and kept his seat. As did Ron Paul.

comment #51

Dave says ...

Darth-- Oh, I'm there with you on racism. Hey, I'm a conservative-- I know that racism is part of the human condition, it's not going away. There are vile people out there, and even the best of us are not always angels.

But *institutionalized*, government-sanctioned, racism? Gone, poof, no longer there. The forty years from the Civil Rights act have been a LONNNNG time in this country. Racism is ridiculed, condemned, socially-unacceptable, and at most, reduced to the occasional off-color joke at the dinner table and a lunchtime bitch to co-workers.

It's a free country. If an American in the privacy of his own home wants to tell a joke about black people, go right ahead. If Chris Rock wants to make fun of white people, all I ask is that they make me laugh. That's not racism, or at least nothing that looks like the vile and disgusting legacy of institutionalized discrimination in this country.

Tragedies and crimes still happen. They will ALWAYS happen. But who in America looks the other way now when it does?

Put simply, if racism was a huge factor in this country, Barack Obama would not exist. In fact, I'd argue that it's the exact opposite-- the absence of racism, or at least the desire on the part of "guilty whites" to proclaim that they, unlike all those ugly Republican racists out there, are progressive enough to support a black candidate purely because of the symbolic power of having a black candidate. . . I think that's just as racist as the opposing view of NOT voting for Barack Obama because he's black. At a minimum, it's a helluva a condescending attitude to take.

The "soft bigotry of low expectations," I believe is the phrase.

If Barack Obama gets the nomination, I hope it's a wonderful, illuminating, uplifting campaign all around, won fair and square by either Obama or McCain. If Obama becomes president, I wish him all the best, while arguing fairly and consistently for positions that I believe in. I'm a patriotic American, and the presidency is something that should be respected, even when you disagree politically with the occupant in the Oval Office. I held that same view during the Clinton years (when I interned for him-- noooo, I never knew Monica ;-), I've held it for eight years of George W. Bush, and I'd hold it for four-eight years of Presidents McCain, Clinton or Obama.

But at the end of the day? Whatever. I have friends, family, books, movies, music, games, the great outdoors, and a million other important things to focus on before I sweat over politics. All I ask is that the POTUS don't get the world nuked while I'm not paying attention ;-).

comment #52

Dave says ...

"Dennis Kucinich easily defeated his challengers and kept his seat. As did Ron Paul."

That's great news. Now, if only we can draft the two of them for a 2008 independent run, we'd cover all the crazy bases.

We can call it the "Get These Spiders Off Me!" Ticket.

comment #53

christian says ...

Ronald Reagan saw UFO's too. So maybe you're right about the crazies.

And sure, racism no longer exists in America. Just ask Rush Limbaugh who had to apologize yesterday for one of his cretinous callers refering to Obama as Curious George the monkey.
And Rush feels some quarterbacks get promoted because they're...black.

Dave, please go pay a visit to Texas. You'll find using the n-word gets you laughs and entry to high society. I saw it for reals.

But lemme guess...you're white. Right?

comment #54

businesstoolz says ...

Well, as someone who actually lives in Ohio (all my life) I have to consider it a victory that a black man running for president got 45% of the vote in one of the most undereducated and racist states in the union.

In fact, the local news was at my voting precinct interviewing people about what was important to them and I actually saw one fuck lug say, "Well, I do worry about my kids at 3 in the morning." Yes, he should worry about his kids at 3 in the morning. Not because of the terrorists but because he owns a home in East Dayton.

That ad did work here. Because people in Ohio (more than any other state, I promise you) are all convinced that the terrorists are going to attack at any minute. THEY"RE PROBABLY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. Yes, Canton Ohio is crawling with fucking terrorists.

But all this is a mute point, this is a state that she will NEVER EVER fucking win in a general election. People here hate her. Her base is not working people who wear blue uniforms with patches on them. In this state, those are John McCain people. They love Walmart, F-250's and Budweiser.

comment #55

Hash says ...

"And Rush feels some quarterbacks get promoted because they're...black. "

And how, exactly, does that equal Rush saying that blacks are somehow inferior to whites?

I really think folks in this country need to open a dictionary and look up the word "racism." No, saying "nappy headed hos" isnt racist, by the way.

This coming from a black man.

comment #56

christian says ...

Then how does a flaming lib like Kucinich keep getting re-elected in Ohio?

comment #57

christian says ...

"And how, exactly, does that equal Rush saying that blacks are somehow inferior to whites?"

By implying that McNabb's success stems from affirmative action to que up the racists in his audience. Which is not the only dumb-ass bigotry loaded thing that Rush has said.

comment #58

Dave says ...

If this was as awful a racist country as you believe Christian, would Rush Limbaugh still have had to apologize for his caller?

As for Texas, been there. My ex- is from there. Mexican as the day as long. Lot of folks don't like them either, but dislike ain't Jim Crow. And there ain't hardly ever been a racist the likes of my family from the South Side of Chicago.

There is a mixed-race man with a viable shot at the presidency. He and his wife are educated and accomplished lawyers. The most popular television star is black. The most respected athletes are black. Authors, musicians, artists. CEOs, businessmen and women, educators and doctors.

Yes, we live in a racist country. I can see how we're a step removed from P.W. Botha's South Africa.

I'm not being oblivious to the human condition here, I'm not painting you a rosy picture, Christian-- I'm letting you know that it's okay to leave the bunker, the 1960s (even the *1860s*) are over now.

comment #59

christian says ...

Have you told all your black friends this bit of fantastic news? I'm sure they'll be happy to know that DAVE says racism is over.

comment #60

D.Z. says ...

christian: "This is why Clinton is pulling ahead. Women are tired of this macho bullshit."

You do recognize the irony of your comment and the "seasoned" image Hillary's trying to project, right?

"And if Obama couldn't pull in Ohio and Texas with his massive war chest, he's screwed as a prez candidate."

He doesn't need Ohio and Texas, if he can win everything else.

"If Clinton won Ohio and Texas, and Obama can't, how does this show Obama will beat McCain?"

See above.

"My point is that women are tired of the men-folk fucking up."

So voting for the war isn't a fuck up?

"You really think Rush is afeared of Obama? The thought of Clinton terrifies him."

Yeah, until he manages to use his propaganda to keep her from passing universal health care like her husband...

JHR: "It will be up to the super delegates to cast the deciding votes - idiotic of the Dems not to foresee such a fiasco"

They never had more than one popular candidate before.

"he and his people freaking LIED about the Canada/NAFTA mess,"

Then you might as well call the PM of Canada a liar.

"and Obama's benefactor felon crony is on trial. Who knows what else might pop up in the next couple of months?"

Yeah, why can't the Republicans have people they protect who hit on people of the same sex in the bathrooms or on underage male interns, huh?

Todd: "So if I vote for the inexperienced arrogant "former" coke user I'm smart but if I vote for the disciplined focused female candidate I'm stupid?"

You mean black coke user, right? After all, it's ok when Dubya does it. And I'm not sure how someone who can't come up with any good come-backs
when she's cornered is disciplined or focused.

"EXPERIENCE is important.As much as you female hating men on this site hate to admit it."

So what kind of experience does she have again?

mutiny: "The avenues of attack that she's pursuing are based on the exact reasons I thought Obama was a weak candidate nationally in the first place"

For a weak candidate, Obama's managed to out-last his competition.

cbuckle: "People are acting like somehow Clinton is the spoiler when actually it is the other way around."

She is, until she can win the red states which count.

Dave: "All because we live in a country that paradoxically ISN'T racist,"

Except for those nooses...

"But *institutionalized*, government-sanctioned, racism? Gone, poof, no longer there."

Except in New Orleans...

Hash: "And how, exactly, does that equal Rush saying that blacks are somehow inferior to whites?"

The fact that it had nothing to do with the game, for one?

comment #61

OddDuck says ...

Yet another thread killed by D.Z.

comment #62

Todd says ...

Can someone educate DZ to the electoral college. He might want to start here http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/
So far Obama is able to win small states and caucuses. The popular vote is Hillary's. Facts are facts. Oh yes and racism still exist in the US. (But we won't talk about that). So it's up to the super delegates to figure out which one these candidates is more electable. Another fact that will be dealt with. Maybe Edwards is still an option as odd as that may seem to some. One thing for sure the convention will be quite lively and actually have a purpose.

comment #63

Movie Watcher says ...

My eyes and head are hurting just from reading all the posts! 8 months of this stuff until the election. Bush and McCain at the white house today, that was sad. The dems will pimp it out 'til november, the picture of those two together. Look, I have a bad feeling for the dems. They can lose, and the fighting will go on until the convention. It should be Obama/Clinton, settle it, and start raising money, serious money, for the campaign. You know McCain doesn't really want W out there with him, but he has to do a few appearances with him. Limbaugh imploring texas reupblicans to vote for Hillary, that is desperation. Fox is giddy over the fighting on the dems side. It was obvious. Let the circus begin!

comment #64

D.Z. says ...

Todd: "So far Obama is able to win small states and caucuses. The popular vote is Hillary's."

The small states have demographics which are necessary to win the popular vote. McCain can win the big states as a populist, while Hillary will have an uphill battle to get swing voters on he side.

comment #65

D.Z. says ...

*her*

comment #66

christian says ...

McCain is not going to inspire anything but a deep sleep.

comment #67

D.Z. says ...

People seriously underestimate Obama and overestimate her. They were calling it for Hillary when she won NH and CA, and, in both cases, he rebounded stronger than her. She's too cocky to win, and she knows it.

comment #68

D.Z. says ...

"But *institutionalized*, government-sanctioned, racism? Gone, poof, no longer there."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_go_ot/job_discrimination

comment #69

K. Bowen says ...

The voters are the problem, huh?

Well, there's the Democrats' first problem historically.

comment #70

Ghost072 says ...

I keep hearing about how experience matters in this race, mostly from Hillary supporters. But can anyone tell me what Hillary's supposed advantage in experience is over Obama? Moreover, can anyone tell me why her actions and poorly run, schizophrenic campaign would lead them to believe she would be a good commander in chief?