comment #1

parttimesaint says ...

I'm always amazed at how much you detest blue-collar types.

comment #2

DarthCorleone says ...

Rather than the caucus element, what makes this truly irrelevant is that it's Wyoming.

Wyoming. Odds of going blue in the national election: zero. So whether you're a motivated caucus participant or a normal primary voter, if you're a Democrat in Wyoming, your vote will be pretty meaningless in November.

The Electoral College is so dumb.

comment #3

gruver1 says ...

Wells to parttimesaint: Who...me? I'm just trying to put things in perspective. We don't really "know" this Barack Obama fella like we know Hillary, who engineered a good economic period with the slight help of her husband (and natural economic forces) in the '90s. Besides we're not entirely sure that he's fully Christian and all. D'ja see him in that African get-up? Hillary said with her "as far as I know" line that no one's entirely sure...right?

comment #4

dangovich says ...

He's a durn Muslim I tell ya. A Muslim.

comment #5

rocco says ...

Jeff, you are in such awe of cultured and educated types, but then resort to childish antics and emotive retorts that one would expect from someone who lacks the means of expressing themselves intelligently. What gives?

If you're so passionate about Obama, you should put his cause before your own. You should follow Clooney's lead...make personal, impassionaed pleas for Obama amongst close friends, but for Barack's sake, stop pushing on your site, because your style and tone do more damage than good, and send more people the other way.

comment #6

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Rocco: Anyone who goes over to Hillary because of my rants is a worthless waffler and a waste of skin to begin with. Obama has his rap down pat, Clooney has his and I have mine. What's childish about making fun of the obvious, which is that an undetermined portion of the lower-income rubes with fewer or no years in college who support Hillary are -- shocker! -- looking at Obama through race-tinted glasses? Are you going to tell me this isn't the case? How is it childish to point this out? Explain, please. Are you saying that the better educated, more affluent voters are just as inclined to think twice about Obama or vote against him because of his race or rumored Muslim allegiances as the lower-incomes? That's a complete bill of divorcement from reality if you are. The day I sweet-talk and soft-pedal my true feelings about America's heartland bigot class -- the over 55 or 60s, especially -- is the day I roll up and die.

comment #7

Matt says ...

In 2006 we lost the congressional race in Wyoming by .5%.

That's why Wyoming matters.

It would be nice to have a candidate at the top of the ticket that is only disliked there, and not despised.

comment #8

oakling says ...

And here I thought you were making fun of the way that Clinton and her publicists try to spin every event in some crazy direction, even to the point of pretending that the WY vote doesn't count because those aren't the "real" voters!

comment #9

Circumvrent says ...

Hey Jeff, you or anyone else wouldn't write that Obama "got his backsided whipped." You wouldn't say that about Biden, McCain, Bill Clinton, or even George W. Bush. That is a blatantly sexist comment, and the most assholish thing you've ever written

comment #10

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Circumvent: I could have said she got her ass whipped but I went instead for the more polite "backside"...and that offended you? What exactly is your genetic defect?

comment #11

alan says ...

I'm a firm Obama supporter, but I sometimes worry about the fact that it means I agree with Jeff on something. I'm having a hard time reconciling that. It makes me question my own judgment a little.

comment #12

Circumvrent says ...

Apparently, it's my ability to spot people with misogyny issues.

comment #13

Circumvrent says ...

Let me amend and say, "...who might have misognyny issues." No aspersions on your character.

comment #14

Chapman Carruthers says ...

>>>> Hey Jeff, you or anyone else wouldn't write that Obama "got his backsided whipped." You wouldn't say that about Biden, McCain, Bill Clinton, or even George W. Bush. That is a blatantly sexist comment, and the most assholish thing you've ever written

Where the hell are the sexist undertones in that statement, 'cause I sure don't see them. If you want to get pissed off, you should go vent on the huffington post about larry david's article advising hillary to pull out her sarong and sunscreen. As to Wells' comment, I think you're being way too sensitive.

comment #15

Zimmergirl says ...

"I'm a firm Obama supporter, but I sometimes worry about the fact that it means I agree with Jeff on something. I'm having a hard time reconciling that. It makes me question my own judgment a little."

Yup. The Hillary venom here and everywhere will backfire. We've still a ways to go yet. Just as Jeff wishes Tina Fey ill will for her Hillary support, so do I hope Hillary gets the nomination just because of Jeff's vicious attacks against her (which seem beyond just your usual political stuff). And anyway, doesn't matter who gets the nomination, McCain still wins this thing most likely. Americans don't even watch black people on TV and hardly ever buy magazines with black people on the cover. I go back and forth but I think Hillary has a slightly better shot at beating McCain but next to McCain Obama really does look green. That said, and despite the sexist claptrap here, I would be fine with an Obama win (I voted for him in the primaries after all). Beating up on Hillary this way, however, works against the cause.

comment #16

Circumvrent says ...

chappiesan, the margin of victory in Ohio was basically the same as it was tonight in Wyoming, and Jeff never would've said "Obama had his backside whipped by Hillary" and you (and Jeff, I'm sure, knows it.

I haven't taken offense to anything Jeff or anyone else has said about this campaign - opinions are like assholes, and all that - but to suggest that there isn't some sort of issue at play behind the statement (paraphrased) "Obama spanked Hillary" you're off your rocker.

comment #17

js1 says ...

Circumvrent, without arguing against or for Jeff's comment, I wonder if the 61-38 margin of tonight's victory and the 54-44 victory of Ohio are "basically" the same. Picky on my part, but I felt the need to clarify.

I do think the updated quote from the Clinton aide and some of the spin they're putting on tonight's loss--saying that Clinton put a dent in his unpolled support--proves the basic point Jeff's making, comparisons aside.

comment #18

gruver1 says ...

Wells to zimmergirl: Since South Carolina and particularly since the kitchen -sink phase began, Hillary Clinton has and is running one of the most ethically despicable political campaigns in memory (my own at least) -- using every dirty trick in the book, invoking every negative racial allusion she can get away with, spreading every blatant and half-lie that will fly, and stating in so many words that if she isn't the nominee that Democratic voters should probably vote for the Republican candidate -- and you're upset at my calling her on this in my usual full-throttle writing style? My words are what offend you, not her deplorable tactics and character? With an entire world of political reporters, TV commentators and essayists having written about this as well, from the New York Times and the Huffington Post and MSNBC on down?

comment #19

dre says ...

Hahaha ... God, I disagree with Jeff on a lot of things. And I know this forum is usually used for people to express their contempt for them ... but his last post was some funny shit. And I agree with him! Not with the same amount of venom perhaps, but my God I get where its coming from.

comment #20

vp19 says ...

To Zimmergirl: The problem with Hillary Clinton isn't that she's a woman, it's that she's a Clinton -- full of as much corporate triangulating and deviousness as her husband.

All things being equal, I would've preferred John Edwards to Obama. But I believe Barack is sufficently progressive to undo the damage of the Bush years; I can't feel that way about Hillary.

I would love to see a woman in the White House someday; I simply don't want to see this one. (And please, let the first woman president be someone who achieved prominence solely on her own, not due to whom she was married to.)

comment #21

AJW says ...

"They don't need a president, they need a feeling."

That sounds about right, actually, especially with regards to your posts and their complete lack of substance.

comment #22

quitstaringatme says ...

"...one of the most ethically despicable political campaigns in the post-1900 history of presidential campaigns"

...you're...not serious?

By the way, Jeff, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will do the same exact thing in office: essentially nothing. They will regret how they have to keep troops in Iraq and not be able to pass any decent healthcare changes. That utopia you dream of where you totally have black friends and people who never went to college don't have to look you in the eye? It's not around the corner. $8.00 for a gallon of gas is.

Now let's talk about Iron Man!

comment #23

Nate West says ...

I believe the full quote is: "Now, while Rome burns, let's talk about Iron Man!"

comment #24

le corbeau says ...

Ah, the leisure of the middle class, typing out reports of our economic collapse on their new iBooks over a $4 frappucino.

comment #25

le corbeau says ...

Oh, and "backside whipped" isn't remotely sexist, even in the exquisite age of enhanced sensitivity we would likely enter under Hillary. It could be racist, although of course Obama is the rare black who, as Mark Steyn points out this week, isn't truly African-American in the eyes of the African-American movement because he isn't descended from slaves but is, in fact, African and American...

comment #26

Movie Watcher says ...

It's so funny to read the rants. When Obama/Hillary were here in Ohio, I stayed home and did not vote. The superdelegates will decide this nomination. So why would I vote? Right now it's about even, whether it's Hiil/Barack against McCain. And Rove is now pimpin' for him. It's gonna get bloody, and it will be funny. It will be interesting to log on Jan 20, 2009, to read what people will be saying.

comment #27

christian says ...

Rove just had the cajones to praise McCain for adopting a Bangladeshi baby -- eight years after he used it to destroy McCain. The slime does come home to roost...

And boys, I think you're going to find that women are over many of you, who truly do have some female troubles at heart..

comment #28

corey3rd says ...

I enjoy being able to take a nice walk down to my polling place, cast a ballot and walk home without having to spending hours milling around a room and moving around as if this is a kindergarten activity of "don't you want to stand with the popular people." Why not let us just bring baseball bats and settle it properly. There is nothing more elitist and alienating than the caucus. It spits in the face of democracy. It allows your neighbors to hate you because you didn't want to stand on their side of the room. Some people merely want to vote - they don't want to tattoo their candidate's name on their ass like a tramp stamp.

comment #29

christian says ...

We really need to jettison the whole electoral college bullshit and give power to the actual people!

comment #30

nemo says ...

Back when I lived in northern New Mexico, I made an occasional drive up to Wyoming. The entire state contains about 100 people, 12 of whom are Democrats, 2 of whom are Democratic delegates.

comment #31

christian says ...

And my mother's side of the family who reside in Rock Springs, where I spent many a summer and one miserable school year. Da right, I'm fly-over bitches!

comment #32

le corbeau says ...

The daddy party makes its case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_A53PAxeR8

comment #33

George Prager says ...

Makes its case to Neo-Cons and alcoholic spinsters, I guess. Imagine if Ronald Reagan's people used Churchill in a commercial.

comment #34

nemo says ...

"The daddy party makes its case:"

A lot of baloney. Iraq ain't the Battle of Britain.

Britain voted Churchill out of office as soon as Berlin fell in 1945.

At the height of his popularity in his second term, Theodore Roosevelt moved pretty far left for the taste of the Republican party. He embraced conservationism and trust-busting. He attacked corrupt business and businessmen with stinging rhetoric that few Democrats would dare to use in our era.

Theodore Roosevelt firmly believed in the separation of church and state, opposing the words In God We Trust on currency as sacrilegious.

TR was also the first American president to call for universal health care and national health insurance. He called for it in his administration, and it was a key plank in his Bullmoose Party run in 1912.

TR would not have stood a chance in the modern Republican party.

comment #35

Dublin101 says ...

Jeff is saying that he hates bigoted unsophisticated plebs. For what it's worth that sentiment is perfectly okay with me.

comment #36

le corbeau says ...

And the mommy party reacts angrily and fearfully, I guess.

Reagan didn't need to use another liberator of a Europe oppressed by totalitarianism.

comment #37

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "Ah, the leisure of the middle class, typing out reports of our economic collapse on their new iBooks over a $4 frappucino."

They'll probably have to sell their ibooks in a few months to pay the rent; so don't get cocky.

christian: "And boys, I think you're going to find that women are over many of you, who truly do have some female troubles at heart.."

That's why feminism is a failure in America: Solidarity, even when it doesn't make sense. If they want to vote for the woman who's responsible for their husbands, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, aunts, and uncles getting murdered in Iraq in the first place, then they deserve what they get: more of them being murdered in Iran.

Mgmax: "Reagan didn't need to use another liberator of a Europe oppressed by totalitarianism."

He was too busy building his own totalitarian thugs in Iraq and Afghanistan to plant the seeds of a new Cold War for his neo-con butt-buddies.

comment #38

George Prager says ...

All I'm saying is that is not a vote-getting ad. People liked Reagan's plans for the economy. Standing up to the sand-niggers and commies was just the cherry on top and they trusted him to follow through. He didn't need some old bald dead English dude talking like a fag to get his point across.