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Hillary Clinton's "Walter Mitty Moment" -- an apparent fabrication about the non-dangerous circumstances of a 12 year-old state visit to Tuzla, Bosnia -- is reviewed in this 3.22 Daily Kos posting and this Washington Post Fact-Checker report. Very Weird. Busted, in any case...and for what?

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christian says ...

The Daily Kos is not to be trusted with their hysterics and outright fabrications. James Wolcott perfectly nailed them today for the self-righteous shills the site has become.

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D.Z. says ...

I'm still pro-Obama, but she could have visited the country more than once.

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BurmaShave says ...

christian, watch the video. Not exactly dodging snipers. I could accuse you of being a total neo-con scumbag for going after Kos when that's not the issue at all, but I dont want to attack your liberal bona fides. You Hillary supporters are twisting more and more with every passing day.

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christian says ...

Kos is more neo-con scumbag than I. HIs site has devolved into a bullying hate-fest that would make FOX blush. I don't trust him nor his self-righteous admin and the crybabies who'll install McCain in if their candidate doesn't make it . And of course, since I'm no HRC supporter, it shows the level to which Obama fans stretch to j'accuse. I don't care for either, but I'll vote for both.

I'd prefer to see Dems going after McCain.

comment #5

Terry McCarty says ...

This paragraph from Eskow says it all:
I continue to be astonished at the willingness of Clinton supporters to elide, obfuscate, tolerate, condone, and defend behavior from their candidate that would provoke their outrage if it came from anyone else. But that's not my central point. This is: For all the chatter about press bias for Obama, his career might be over had he been caught in this kind of misstatement. But the media wants a prolonged horse race, so Clinton will get a pass while we continue to be hammered with clips of Jeremiah Wright making statements Obama repudiated a week ago. The press is once again influencing the outcome of American elections -- and that's not democratic.

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Mgmax says ...

Oh, I love people who all of a sudden think the Daily Kos is prey to hysterical partisanship.

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Josh Massey says ...

Oh, I love people who all of a sudden think Hillary Clinton is a liar.

comment #8

EDouglas says ...

Hey, Jeff.. how come you haven't snagged the URL "Washington-Elsewhere" yet? :)

comment #9

gruver1 says ...

Because it's all one big smorgasborg, Ed. Because this is how things have evolved. Because I don't think in terms of boxes and cubicles. Because I'm a Hollywood monk unable to live behind the abbey walls 24/7 because to do so would be soul-smothering.

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Mjs says ...

To all those that keep nagging Jeff about the politics of this site (such as Washington Elsewhere), why don't you start your own fucking site with your own fucking topics and stop coming around here. It's not clever. It's not original. It's definitely not funny. It's just lame. Move the fuck on if you don't like it.

comment #11

Pelham123 says ...

I'm with Obama now, but as Christian noted, I, too, will vote for Hillary or Obama come November. And, yes, let's please start hammering McCain as soon as possible. McCain is four more years of Bush.

comment #12

Mgmax says ...

Mark Steyn opens a can of whoop-ass on l'affaire Wright:

"Free societies live in truth, not in the fever swamps of Jeremiah Wright. The pastor is a fraud, a crock, a mountebank – for, if this truly were a country whose government invented a virus to kill black people, why would they leave him walking around to expose the truth? It is Barack Obama's choice to entrust his daughters to the spiritual care of such a man for their entire lives, but in Philadelphia the senator attempted to universalize his peculiar judgment – to claim that, given America's history, it would be unreasonable to expect black men of Jeremiah Wright's generation not to peddle hateful and damaging lunacies. Isn't that – what's the word? – racist?"

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/wright-obama-black-2003940-america-rev

comment #13

DarthCorleone says ...

This is a damn odd story. For what, indeed, Hillary?

Just to clarify, though, is it possible she is misremembering? Tuzla was apparently the first landing site in Bosnia, but did they go to more than one city? Could rushing to the car have occurred at one of those other sites?

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Zac Bertschy says ...

"Could rushing to the car have occurred at one of those other sites?"

For those of you trying to come up with some way that this incredibly obvious fabrication could possibly be true, please think about whether or not it makes sense in any scenario that the Secret Service would actually let the First Lady off of the plane if there was sniper fire or even the risk of sniper fire.

It's a lie designed to boost her appearance as a hardened vet of foreign affairs. She got caught. That's all there is to it. This has been debunked. Saying "Oh well maybe she's just misremembering!" or "Oh well it could be true if..." is only serving to let her get away with saying something reprehensible for the billionth time.

Also, Mr. Wells, you should start banning users who only come here to bitch about your chosen topics. It's making the comments section unpleasant to read. Lots of white noise.

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DarthCorleone says ...

Zac, yeah, I acknowledge it's very ridiculous. It's simply such a stupid lie that I'm flabbergasted it was even attempted.

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dangovich says ...

Do you think Obama would be an effective president?

Jeremiah Wright.

Would a President McCain deepen our budget deficit, further overstretch our armed forces and destroy our remaining credibility on the world stage?

Jeremiah Wright.

Do this country need a change in direction after eight years of Bush-Cheney?

Jeremiah Wright.

Boy, this politics stuff isn't so complicated after all!

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Mgmax says ...

"Would a President McCain deepen our budget deficit, further overstretch our armed forces and destroy our remaining credibility on the world stage?"

Only in your cartoonish, question-begging leftist world, Dangovich.

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D.Z. says ...

Zac: "For those of you trying to come up with some way that this incredibly obvious fabrication could possibly be true, please think about whether or not it makes sense in any scenario that the Secret Service would actually let the First Lady off of the plane if there was sniper fire or even the risk of sniper fire."

True, but this was a war zone, so they can't be prepared for every shot. Look, I hate the Clintons, because they helped push our country into the direction of outsourcing more than either Bush, but I'm willing to cut her some slack on some out-of-context video which was the only(to my knowledge) recording of her in the country.

Mgmax: "It is Barack Obama's choice to entrust his daughters to the spiritual care of such a man for their entire lives, but in Philadelphia the senator attempted to universalize his peculiar judgment – to claim that, given America's history, it would be unreasonable to expect black men of Jeremiah Wright's generation not to peddle hateful and damaging lunacies. Isn't that – what's the word? – racist?"

By that logic, we should ignore child abuse, because acknowledging that it might have been what made Hitler psychotic is anti-Semitic.

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D.Z. says ...

McCain, in his book "Worth the Fighting For," lamented that the senators "were now a two-word shorthand for the entire savings and loan debacle and the rotten way American political campaigns are financed."

He also wrote: "My popularity in Arizona was in free fall. ... I expected a rough, and quite possibly unsuccessful re-election campaign in 1992. To the extent I was known nationally anymore, it was as one of the crooked senators who had bankrupted the thrift industry."

More at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080323/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_keating

comment #20

BurmaShave says ...

Mgmax, I've never been sadder for you and what conservatism does to the minds of otherwise extremely bright people, of whom I would consider you one. If you really want to go down this road we're going to have to talk about Hagee, Falwell, and all the rest who McCain has chosen to affiliate himself with, not as a young man in a new city, but as a politician.

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Richardson says ...

"please think about whether or not it makes sense in any scenario that the Secret Service would actually let the First Lady off of the plane if there was sniper fire or even the risk of sniper fire"

Did you see the first half of her statement? She says that she was sent there specifically because it was too dangerous to send the president, so they send the First Lady. She's playing up the "I'm a victim because I'm a woman" thing right in the statement.

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Mgmax says ...

Oh, cry me a river, BurmaShave. I'm just as sad that so many bright people grow up believing that it's the government from whom all blessings flow, instead of themselves. Someday you'll wake up like David Mamet and realize it's the carers and nurturers who keep people down, and the greedy capitalists who represent opportunity and color-blindness and hope for the future.

Anyway, to your point, one can respect McCain's naked cynicism, the act of simply kissing the heinies he has to kiss after getting out-Jesused in 2000. But Obama? He actually seems to BELIEVE this stuff, honestly and sincerely. Do we really want that sort of person in the White House?

Bill Kristol is drily funny peeing all over the idea that we need a national conversation on race:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/opinion/24kristol.html?ref=opinion

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christian says ...

He also said there was no conflict between Sunni and Shia in Iraq, among a litany of his staggering lies and misinformation. Anything that comes from Bill Kristol can be considered the quiet ravings of a latent psychopath. He jes' pissed on hisself. I'm just sayin.

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D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "Someday you'll wake up like David Mamet and realize it's the carers and nurturers who keep people down, and the greedy capitalists who represent opportunity and color-blindness and hope for the future."

Yeah, Halliburton really helped our troops by giving them tainted food and shoddy armor.

"But Obama? He actually seems to BELIEVE this stuff, honestly and sincerely. Do we really want that sort of person in the White House?"

Unlike Bush, he keeps it to himself.

comment #25

Mgmax says ...

C;mon, you guys can do better than that. Christian, tear into the piece, I already know you don't like the guy. D.Z., one corporation is not a critique of free market capitalism as a system. Especially one corporation whose customer is government. Think about it.

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D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "D.Z., one corporation is not a critique of free market capitalism as a system. Especially one corporation whose customer is government. Think about it."

Um, they also sell cereal, so that's a shitty argument. But if you're going to go by that logic, then those businesses which knew about the tainted dog food and shitty mines would still be good examples. Not to mention the realtors which sold homeowners ARMs and lied to them about their ability to afford the properties...

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Mgmax says ...

What would Chernobyl be?

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christian says ...

"What would Chernobyl be?"

Hmmm. Let me take a guess, Mgmax.

Chernobyl would be a deadly nuclear accident that will be repeated in America given the lack of regulation and foresight trumpeted by the GOP.

Boy, that was easy, Mgmax!

Now I'll take "Don't Blame Lack Of Business Ethics On One Bad Business" for a billion-dollar bail-out.

comment #29

D.Z. says ...

The irony of Chernobyl is it happened as Russia was finally opening up to capitalism.

comment #30

Mgmax says ...

There was a burglary in my neighborhood the other day.

I guess this whole living in houses thing didn't pan out.

comment #31

D.Z. says ...

In that situation, it's more like the kind of burglary which happens when you have the door to your house open while you're doing a yard sale.

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