comment #1

vansmith says ...

that picture says it all, the overweight union job walmart shopping dog and gun loving etc with her arms crossed saying hell to the no to barack and all this feel good hope shit...lol...

comment #2

redmond says ...

Just missing this "Millenial" voter age range by two years, (born in 1980), people are seeing through the bullshit. Nobody's blinded by a terrorist act that was allowed to happened or rampant nationalism that has, FINALLY, reached it's sickening end. The nail in the coffin was "Nash McCabe" asking if Barack Obama believes in the American flag. Thanks for showing that my home state is full of idiots, Nash. Jesus loves ya!
Moving on, this country is straight fucked right now and fortunately young people are seeing there's more important matters than "believing in the American flag." What in the flying hell does that even mean? There's a war going on, people are getting raped at the gas pump and others are dying because of a for-profit health-care system. But none of that matters compared to the belief in a piece of fabric. Christ, gimme a break...

comment #3

dangovich says ...

It's good to see that more people these days seem to recognize the absurdity of the mainstream media. Not only has the non-story about Obama's "bitter" remark failed to gain traction; there's evidence that it actually helped him.

comment #4

bluefugue says ...

Maybe she's shy, geez.

comment #5

christian says ...

Yes, she's shy from the glare of sudden cameras and hoping nobody will care how she looks. Would Obama?

And the yut's better show up because they can change the face of America. If they don't...

comment #6

Howlingman says ...

What christian said.

"The largest and most diverse generation in American history" is also notoriously apathetic. If they don't bother to show up and vote all the "hug a rainbow" lip-flap is pretty empty. Even Obama Girl couldn't bother voting in her Primary.

comment #7

Walter Sobchak says ...

It's not fair that they're making Obama run in an election for the presidency! They should just realize how wonderful he is and how he'll give everybody jobs and great wages and he'll make the price of gas go down and he'll make everything just right in this country and appoint him President Obama right now!

AND NO MEAN QUESTIONS EITHER!

comment #8

vansmith says ...

"American politics is just another crime scene." forgot the writers name but you gotta love it.

comment #9

dixiedugan says ...

Well, if you people don't like this gal's looks, then Obama can come over to my house. I've got my Douglas Fairbanks Black Pirate shirt on. Would that make you feel better Vansmith?

I'm not an outright Obama supporter but he was right to say people are bitter. Too bad he didn't explain himself better.

comment #10

chocolategenius says ...

What is it with the "millenials" and the media constantly praising how great they are. I am 38 and have had to work with alot of them and I am woefully and disappontingly not impressed. I was actually hoping that they would do more than my useless generation. However, so far, they are pretty much like every other generation. They want to get paid more and work less, have more leisure time and pretty much have all their wims catered to just like everybody else. As far as politics are concerned what are they doing on the homefront. If they think simply electing a president will make the difference then I am afraid we are in for the same old same old. Remember how important the soccermoms were when Clinton was elected and how it signified the changing of the guard? Look where the babyboomers have gotten us. Weren't they again supposed to change the world? Every now and then you hear of some doing good things but that occurs with every generation. Sorry, I agree with a friend and believe the slate of the human race needs to be erased and started over again.

comment #11

siowafc says ...

A vapid generation unites behind a vapid candidate that complains when someone dares to challenge that he isn't an angel sent directly from the heavens? He's arrogant, and in his own twisted way, elitist. Not in the typical class war kind of way, but in the way that he thinks he can con those that don't know better into believing his "holier than thou" politics. He says he is a new kind of politics, but it's really just the old politics obfuscated in a new, shinier package.

This is one "Millennial" for Hillary.

comment #12

BurmaShave says ...

Well fuck you for letting us down, siowafc. You can go straight to hell with the blue hairs. That's the most spoon fed inane Fox News analysis I've heard inawhile. How many hours a day do you spend listening to talk radio? And you're a leftist? This sure is a great country.

comment #13

BurmaShave says ...

Also, that dog is a racist. Just look at that face.

comment #14

siowafc says ...

Look Burma, I'd LOVE to support Obama, and join the crowds of everyone else my age. But there is something inherently dishonest—and unsettling—about the central conceits of his campaign: he acts transparent, when in fact, he is not, he claims he doesn’t take lobbyist/PAC money where he clearly has (everyone does!). Regarding the Rev. Wright scandal he was never apologetic about the remarks, only sorry that the media found them and ran with it. And that would be okay – most politicians (even Sen. Clinton) are like that at times. But the fact that, with these faults, he tries to run as if he really is something different than everyone else is complete hypocrisy. And then when others try to uncover information about him that may be unsavory to his public persona, there’s a ridiculous uproar. Everything about Obama seems to be one big, bold platitude after another. Clinton isn’t the ideal candidate either (I was an Edwards man), but I’d much rather leave the reins of the country to her than someone who is running on a campaign of blank speeches and empty promises.

comment #15

D.Z. says ...

chocolate: "I am 38 and have had to work with alot of them and I am woefully and disappontingly not impressed. I was actually hoping that they would do more than my useless generation."

They probably could do more, if they had jobs. Maybe next time your generation should vote more.

"They want to get paid more and work less,"

Yeah, only CEOs who run companies into the ground should be given that privilege. Who cares about family time? Eighty hour work-weeks will do ya good.

"As far as politics are concerned what are they doing on the homefront."

Giving back to their communities, sacrificing family members for an illegal and immoral war, and being forced to work at McDonald's because all the manufacturing and tech jobs went to Mexico and India
isn't doing anything?

"If they think simply electing a president will make the difference then I am afraid we are in for the same old same old. Remember how important the soccermoms were when Clinton was elected and how it signified the changing of the guard? Look where the babyboomers have gotten us"

Back then, Clinton was only pretending to be black. Now we'll get the real thing.

siowa: "A vapid generation unites behind a vapid candidate:"

Yeah, we should all vote for someone because they want an amendment to ban gay marriage, and because they didn't get oral sex from their intern.

"He's arrogant, and in his own twisted way, elitist. Not in the typical class war kind of way, but in the way that he thinks he can con those that don't know better into believing his "holier than thou" politics."

Yes, talking to people, instead of living in a bubble, is conning them. Oh, and black is white and up is down.

comment #16

D.Z. says ...

siowa: "Clinton isn’t the ideal candidate either (I was an Edwards man), but I’d much rather leave the reins of the country to her than someone who is running on a campaign of blank speeches and empty promises."

Yeah, why can't Obama lie about dodging sniper fire?

comment #17

christian says ...

By now Obama should be able to swat off the Wright and flag questions. Had he demanded the moderators ask real questions concerning America, he would look even better.

Obama has not shown himself to be a great debator. But it's the trivial nature of those questions, the corporate control of what should be unadvertised air-time and not ads for stool-looseners that offends me. We are lurching towards a new kind of fascism. You couldn't make this shit up. Except Chayefsky. Frank Rich lays it out well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/opinion/20rich.html?ref=opinion

comment #18

Mgmax says ...

"Barack Obama is right outside her screen door and that pudgy woman leaning against the doorframe with her arms folded and her dog next to her can't be roused to even step outside? What could be the explanation?"

She's waiting for the TV cameraman to yell Action on the 6th take.

comment #19

Mgmax says ...

"We are lurching towards a new kind of fascism."

Hmm, which one sounds more like fascism to me?

1) A moderate from one party well known for reaching across the aisle in the deliberative body is nominated to try to reach out to voters alienated by the previous president of that party;

2) CAN'T YOU SEE THAT HE'S BETTER THAN JESUS AND SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM A LOWLY WORM LIKE YOU, YOU FILTHY RED-STATE SANDAL-WEARING MEMBER OF A RELIGION I DESPISE!!!!!

comment #20

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: A moderate wouldn't be for occupying a country for 100 years.

comment #21

christian says ...

I had a gentle friend experience a genuine fascistic situation with the police this weekend and I'm reeling from it. So combined with the corporate cocksucking that passes for democracy these days, it's all becoming one big blob of repression and supression. What the fuck is going on in this country?

comment #22

Aladdin Sane says ...

She looks more like a pudgy teenager.

comment #23

Mgmax says ...

So Christian, what precisely about the Democratic party leads you to think it would reduce the power of the state over your life?

comment #24

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: Less surveillance and more job opportunities are some good examples.

comment #25

christian says ...

Not crowding jails with marijuana smokers would be a good start on the Dem side. This message brought to you by 420.

comment #26

Mgmax says ...

D.Z., job opportunities don't come from the government.

Christian: I'm all for that, but the pro-legalization Democratic politicians are who, precisely?

comment #27

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "D.Z., job opportunities don't come from the government."

Unless you're Harriet Miers and Mike Brown...

comment #28

dangovich says ...

Sobchak:: AND NO MEAN QUESTIONS EITHER!

"Mean" has nothing to do with it. How about relevant? Or maybe you prefer listening to idiotic questions about lapel pins.

comment #29

Mgmax says ...

I love that the side that sues colleges over their mascots and constantly shakes down corporations over the imagery they project has suddenly decided that symbols are completely meaningless.

comment #30

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: "I love that the side that sues colleges over their mascots and constantly shakes down corporations over the imagery they project has suddenly decided that symbols are completely meaningless."

There's a difference between choosing to appropriate someone's culture without their consent and using sweatshop labor, and someone who chooses not to wear a decoration.

comment #31

Mgmax says ...

Somehow I knew you'd find a difference which favored your side.

comment #32

televisiontears says ...

Christian's right on the money when he says Obama is not a great debator. Anyone who watched the Penn. debate can't really disagree. Not that it really matters, since it seems that the majority of the Democratic base has already made up its mind based on his personality, charisma, and good ol' speechifying.

p.s. Why can't Hillary be as straightforward about her feelings towards Obama as this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C7c4rM2rVXk

comment #33

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: I'd imagine if this was Nazi Germany, and Lieberman was asked by a Gestapo thug why he wasn't wearing a yellow star, you'd be on the SS soldier's side, too.

comment #34

Mgmax says ...

"Mgmax: I'd imagine if this was Nazi Germany, and Lieberman was asked by a Gestapo thug why he wasn't wearing a yellow star, you'd be on the SS soldier's side, too."

That, sir, is because you are an Ass of the first order.

comment #35

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: No, I'm just aware of fascism through labels when I see them.

comment #36

dangovich says ...

I love that the side that sues colleges over their mascots and constantly shakes down corporations over the imagery they project has suddenly decided that symbols are completely meaningless.

Apples, meet oranges.

So you like the lapel pin issue? You think it's meaningful? Because Saint John wasn't wearing one today on ABC This Week. Shocking. Really makes me question whether or not he loves America.

comment #37

Mgmax says ...

I already kinda knew what McCain thought as to who the evil countries in this world are.

comment #38

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: Because bombing one million of the inhabitants of one country, and starting nuclear war with the other is so "good" right?

comment #39

alynch says ...

Barack Obama is right outside her screen door and that pudgy woman leaning against the doorframe with her arms folded and her dog next to her can't be roused to even step outside? What could be the explanation?

Hmm, maybe she was afraid of being called pudgy by some blogger.

D.Z., your Nazi metaphor is idiotic.

comment #40

transmogrifier says ...

Ah, Americans arguing about politics. Where logic and reason goes to die, slowly and painfully.

comment #41

Mgmax says ...

Because fuck you. Who even knows what you're referring to now? For all I know you could mean the saturation bombing of Nebraska and the nuclear war with Alberta. If you knew anything about military history you'd realize how ridiculous the notion that we've bombed a million Iraqis is from a purely logistical point of view-- how many missions that would be, what flattened cities would be known to all the world. Over a thousand bombers bombed Dresden, it burned for days, and estimates of the number killed tend to be under 50,000. So you think there are 20 of those in a country with far fewer major population centers than Germany in 1944? It's moronic, obviously preposterous at a glance, yet easily swallowed up by the ready customers for the big lie. If you want to know where fascists come from, it's from the ranks of the failed and resentful like that, who find new purpose and nobility in a great cause that promises to sweep away everything they disdain, which IS everything.

comment #42

Walter Sobchak says ...

I love those straight-from-Daily Worker.com numbers D.Z. is always throwing around.

"...Like America killing over 27.5 million civilians in Iraq or the one billion that have been murdered in Afghanistan?"

"...what about the 17 trillion babies that were killed by U.S. bombs in Panama?"

Kind of like his John McCain "quote" of wanting a hundred year war in the Middle East. Yeah, Daniel, that's EXACTLY what McCain said. Uh huh.

comment #43

D.Z. says ...

alynch: You think it's idiotic now, but the reason we're in this mess is due to similar witch-hunts from McCarthy and the CIA.

Mgmax: The fact that you think Iraq's geography is like Germany's pretty much shows how wrong you are about this war in the first place.

Walter: He said, "Make it 100". I can youtube it for you if you want.

comment #44

alynch says ...

You think it's idiotic now, but the reason we're in this mess is due to similar witch-hunts from McCarthy and the CIA.

Heh, okay D.Z., I'll bight. Explain to me how McCarthy got us into Iraq. Take me on that journey.

comment #45

renorambler says ...

I sat through a fascinating talk about Millennials a year or so ago that was geared toward teachers (I teach English). The rule of thumb in recent years has been that you're in trouble if you are a political candidate and you count on the youth vote to put you over the top. I think we might now be seeing the beginning of the end of that notion.

comment #46

D.Z. says ...

alynch: The Red Scare led to us putting Saddam in charge of Iraq.

comment #47

chocolategenius says ...

1. I agree that my generation could have done more to cause real change in our society. However, that problem is NOT exclusive to us. Voter turnout on election day has always been low and even though for the current primaries turnout has been higher it is still low. The earliest millennials have been able to vote since around 2000 for officials at various government levels. So they too can be held responsible.
2. Few were complaining about disparities between ceo's and employees when the job market was hot not too long ago. It is tough everywhere. I was laid off 6 months ago. I have a master's degree and over 15 years of experience and I have only been able to get a job opening envelopes for the IRS.
3. Although it is shameful what some CEOs of huge corporations are getting away with (you should actually blame the shareholders not the government), small businesses are still the backbone of this country and those CEOs are working just as hard to keep their businesses afloat as their employees. As a former lab manager my policy was NEVER to put family second to work and I would often stay later so that my co-worker could go home and be with her family. Higher paying jobs tend to have more responsibility and therefore you are more likely to have to put in over 40 hours a week. I have had to put in massive amounts of OT and that was to appease the customer so the blame should fall on consumers not the government or ceos.
4. Volunteering is nothing new. I used to be a social worker so I know all about giving back to the community.By homefront I actually mean who are they putting into office at the local, county and state levels. I am lucky that I do not have any family in the military. However, there are alot of families who do, who actually support the war in Iraq. I have been critical of the war since the beginning. Also the sacrifices we are making now still do not compare to the sacrifices the generation growing up during WW II made. As far as working at McDonald's see number 2.
I may be overly cynical but I just do not see any real great social change, equivalent to the civil rights movement, occurring in the near future. People are bitter and frustrated but are still at the stage of blaming everbody else. The economy will rebound and we will forget. Hopefully, I am wrong but only time will tell.

comment #48

D.Z. says ...

1. Why should the milllennials be held accountable for Gen X propagating the idea that voting "doesn't matter"? (Not to mention the fact that you're the ones who sold our manufacturing jobs for net-bubble jobs...)

2. It's not that few were complaining in the past. It's that they were ignored, ridiculed, and/or ostracized. The only reason people are noticing it now is because the situation effects the upper-middle class and above, and not just the lower-middle class and below.

3. The shareholders don't always get to pick the CEOs. In addition, the consumers aren't responsible for a company's inability to delegate management to others, because they'd rather get a bigger chunk of the profits.
And if the government lets corporations rip off their employers, then it's definitely at fault.

4. The soldiers in WW2 actually had time to rest and be with their families.

Anyway, you have a right to be cynical. But don't sell the rest of us out in the process.

comment #49

Mgmax says ...

"4. The soldiers in WW2 actually had time to rest and be with their families."

Whaaaaat? Are you joking?

comment #50

diesel says ...

yeah pretty much the only stopping that damn racist dog from biting obama is those bars.

execllent thread today by the way. why do i get the feeling i'm the only visitor here that's not from north america or the uk?

comment #51

bents75 says ...

That's simple Diesel. You're the only one who isn't claiming you're right about every single thing you say, and everyone else is just ignorant and clueless.

That's how we roll here in the US of A !

comment #52

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax:

"..But he said that a soldier on his third tour who spent 18 months in Iraq would have spent more time in a combat zone than many did during World War II..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/world/middleeast/12military.html

comment #53

D.Z. says ...

18=15, according to the update in the article. Still not much of a difference for them, though.

comment #54

Mgmax says ...

D.Z., have you ever SEEN a World War II movie?

Just because you weren't at the front in the infantry doesn't mean you were home with your family. My father-in-law went to Britain and later France in 1942. He came home in 1945. He never heard a shot fired, because he was an airplane mechanic at the base, hundreds of miles back of the front. But he sure as hell didn't go home to Pittsburgh on the weekends, and neither did anybody else even if they had stars on their shoulders. You're just embarassing yourself with your two seconds' Googling of the first stick you can use to fling your point back.

comment #55

D.Z. says ...

Mgmax: I still bet your father-in-law got rest, when he needed it, which is more than I can say for our current regiment. And once again, the article says "many" soldiers, not "all" soldiers.