comment #1

Zimmergirl says ...

Do you even read the news? Do you really think her "type" is why "they" are voting for her? Good lord.

comment #2

christian says ...

Andrew Sullivan is one of the most virulent Hillary haters out there.

comment #3

Mgmax says ...

Dogs-- intelligent, loyal, sensitive, cuddly-- overwhelmingly prefer Obama, according to a recent Dogby poll. Yet I sense that cats may be closeted, self-hating Hillary voters. The way they slink around the house reminds me of Hillary slinking into New Hampshire to claim she'd landed under sniper fire. Anyway, I've never really liked cats and I think now I understand why.

comment #4

Matthew Lucas says ...

Jeff aren't you generalizing here yourself? I'm gay but I'm an Obama supporter. This post is based on a lot of false assumptions and people "fitting the definition of a type."

Yes I know a lot of gay guys voting for Hillary. She has always been very friendly to the gay community. BUT I know quite a few voting for Obama too.

Be careful not to fall into the same "lazy emotional thinking" you accuse others of by lumping everyone in under the same stereotype.

Not all gay guys are voting for Hillary just as not all African Americans are voting for Obama or all women voting for Hillary. We are capable of 3-D thinking too you know.

comment #5

Nick Plowman says ...

Wow. Um, what the hell?

This is the most random thing I have ever read in my entire life.

I am all for being free spoken but generalizations like that only make you seem obnoxious and eager for comments and hits. Oh wait, that is you.

Good one for staying true to yourself. Who might you be voting for?

comment #6

Chris Late says ...

What a crock of crap.

comment #7

Rod32303 says ...

OR the amazing, ridiculous "Blacks for Bush." When I heard that, I thought it was a joke on the old "Niggas for Nixon" Richard Pryor genius piece back in the 70's.

Of course, it wasn't. Still fuckin me up, that one.

FYI, I am black and gay and I am an Obama supporter. As are a lot of (you'll be shocked) gays in Fort Lauderdale. Some of them are huge financial contributors to Obama. Who or where are your statistics coming from?

comment #8

BurmaShave says ...

Mgmax, you are dangerous, english.

comment #9

BurmaShave says ...

On a more serious note, how can gays reconcile her husband's championing and signing the Defense of Marriage Act? Or if they dont hold her accountable, why dont they at least want her to repudiate it, like NAFTA?

comment #10

tophertilson says ...

I'm gay and an Obama supporter. But a lot of my friends are drinking the Kool-Aid. She talks the talk better than Obama when it comes to the gay thing. He'll come right out and say that he's opposed to gay marriage. She hems and haws. Somehow, they see this as her being on their side more, I guess.

comment #11

Regret1017 says ...

I find this incredibly offensive, Jeff - I'm gay and I would not voting for Hillary, and I don't have a single gay friend who would vote for her. Gross generalization of the basest kind.

comment #12

Rob says ...

How on earth are Gays for Hillary comparable to Log Cabin Republicans? Log Cabin Republicans would be voting for McCain.

Clinton doesn't "hem and haw" when it comes to gay issues. She's pretty forthright about supporting what she thinks is achievable (ending Don't Ask Don't Tell, protecting states' rights to allow gay marriage).

But she's done a much better job of speaking to gay issues in her campaign, acknowledging the limitations of what we can expect, and speaking to the gay media.

As a gay voter, I have to say, it's easy to feel left out of Obama's "message of hope," which has been pretty limited to addressing racial and economic inequality. And the whole Rev. Wright issue, while overblown, left a bad taste in my mouth re: Obama's relationships with religious figures that indulge in a lot of anti-gay rhetoric (see this Christopher Hitchens article in Slate for more: http://www.slate.com/id/2188414/ ).

Yeah, she lies when cornered and has overstated her own qualifications. But I'd still rather see her take the nomination, and I still think she'd have a better shot against McCain (see this Salon article for more: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/07/hillary/ ), and not because she reminds me of Bette Davis.

comment #13

christian says ...

Sadly, Obama picked a gay hater to provide his audacity of hope. And it's hilarious to watch little boys like Andy Sullivan, whose fetishizing of Obama exceeds politics, attack Clinton while ignoring the reverend who said stupid offensive and hateful things about gays.

comment #14

D.Z. says ...

Rob: You do know her husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act which overrode Hawaii's court decision which supported gay marriage? This is the same bill Bush wanted to codify into the Constitution.

Anyway,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080408/ts_alt_afp/usvoteobamaclinton
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/clinton-stories-yarns.php

comment #15

Rob says ...

As Clinton has explained countless times, DOMA was a compromise meant to block the very real-at-the-time threat of a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

I live in a state where gay marriage is legal and I know that, with Clinton in office, nothing at the federal level is going to jeopardize that.

comment #16

Sean E says ...

I like Jeff's site and enjoy his writing, but his tendency to sterotype really grates.

If you're gay, black, conservative, female, religious,southern or overwieght - Jeff has your number.

comment #17

hypeful says ...

Wow, Jeff. This kind of homosexual stereotyping is offensive and disappointing. Gay guys are only casting emotional ballots based on whoever reminds them the most of Cher? Seriously?!? Why not imply lesbians are likely supporting Clinton based on her pants-suits?

comment #18

Mgmax says ...

"Why not imply lesbians are likely supporting Clinton based on her pants-suits?"

They're just voting for her because their cats are.

comment #19

MoroccoMole says ...

Is there even anecdotal evidence suggesting such a thing? Most of my own circle of gays seems to be leaning Obama-ward, although I've encountered a number of pro-Hillary gays in the blogosphere. But I don't know that her shoulder pads have anything to do with it.

Just don't start blaming all of us homos for Annette Bening's performance in RUNNING WITH SCISSORS again...

comment #20

D.Z. says ...

Rob: "As Clinton has explained countless times, DOMA was a compromise meant to block the very real-at-the-time threat of a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage."

How is signing an act which can be used by Republicans as a framework for a real amendment a "compromise"?

"I live in a state where gay marriage is legal and I know that, with Clinton in office, nothing at the federal level is going to jeopardize that."

And yet her husband's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy has still allowed gays to be kicked out of the military, including Arab linguists.

hypeful: I'd imagine lesbians would be hot for Bush's daughters or Chelsea.

comment #21

Ogami Itto says ...

"As Clinton has explained countless times, DOMA was a compromise meant to block the very real-at-the-time threat of a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage."

Clinton's explanation is spurious as usual.

Wouldn't an anti-gay-marriage Constitutional amendment require a two-thirds majority in the U.S. House and Senate, as well as a majority of state legislatures, to pass? What is/was the probability of that happening, conservative hate-mongering notwithstanding?

The Clintons are self-serving weasels without decorum or scruples.

comment #22

gansibele says ...

How about the hard explanation that many gays are turned off by the homophobia of many in the black community, including plenty on the pulpit? I live in Florida, where they try to pass anti-gay ordinances all the time and some of their most fertile grounds for signature collecting are black and Hispanic churches.

comment #23

johnc says ...

First you wonder if there are any reliable surveys regarding a matter you're "sensing." You then come up with a ridiculously stereotyped reason for your unconfirmed supposition, and use all this wild speculation as an excuse to damn an entire community. Are you trying to give Jesse Helms a run for his homophobic money? What the hell is the matter with you?

comment #24

JoeJustice says ...

As a "gay" it is worth pointing out that all of the guys I know supporting Hillary (she, the one with the husband who supported Dont Ask Dont Tell and DOMA) are generally older gentleman who want to feel part of the establishment and aren't really interested in changing the tone or the methods of American politics. The guys for Obama seem genuinely progressive and anti-Establishment.

Come on all you outraged whiners! Generalizing is FUN!

Hillary may not be the Bette Davis of the pols, but she definitely represents a repressed, calculating, self-loathing personality that can arguably be equated to an old-school version of American homosexuality.

I don't think Jeff is wrong to bring this up. But the real question isn't trivializing Hillary supporters as Gay Icon lovers, but rather asking: why are they for her? What has she done for the community or civil rights in general?

Obama's pastor and fellow black leaders may say awful things about gays, but Obama has actively gone into Black churches and said "stop demonizing gays." To me that is a good start and Obama's gay outreach has been a significant one.

comment #25

Mark B says ...

Rob said...
"If you're gay, black, conservative, female, religious, southern or overwieght - Jeff has your number"

LOL...since I fit at least four of those categories, I couldn't agree more. I thoroughly enjoy Jeff's writing (otherwise I wouldn't hit this site at least twice a day), but his tendency towards repeatedly regurgitating his negative stereotypes of "red staters", "Christians", "gays", "{insert label here}" can get a bit stale. He certainly knows how to start a discussion thread, though...