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"Is there still a strain in the culture that struggles with the idea that intelligence isn't just wasted on girls?," the Independent's Deborah Orr wrote yesterday about the lore behind New Line's Sex and the City (opening 5.30). "Why is it that a group of clever, ambitious and successful women, sitting around chatting about their tiny troubles, should be such a comedy goldmine?

"It's because, isn't it, they're all bright enough to live life on their own independent terms, but still, despite their occasional protests, can't stop projecting their ideas about themselves and their status on to men?
"That's why Sex and the City is really about stupid men. Men who are too stupid to bag these fabulous women. Men so stupid that their heart's desire is a life partner who is not an alpha-female, but an even-more-stupid-and insecure-than-me foil. Men who are so stupid that it is contagious and dangerous, because its virulence stupefies women too, like sleeping sickness."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on May 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM
comment #1
malibugigolo
says ...
I believe Catullus wrote about these kind of "women" just a few years ago.
Say 60 BC.
Men aren't stupid, they know to stay far, far away from these winners.
Posted by malibugigolo
at May 4, 2008 3:00 PM
comment #2
swordandpen
says ...
I thought "Sex and the City" was about stupid, over-privileged and very, very, very shallow women.
Posted by swordandpen
at May 4, 2008 3:01 PM
comment #3
Glenn Kenny
says ...
What swordandpen said. I mean, really. Men are too stupid to "bag" these women? Any guy with two eyes and a brain would know well enough to run away from any of them within three minutes of conversation
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 4, 2008 3:28 PM
comment #4
ROTC
says ...
Deborah Orr obviously never watched the show, which was loaded to the gills with men who, with the obvious exception of Mr. Big, wanted to settle into serious relationships with these women.
From my experience, most of the guys who trash SATC never really watched it or simply don't know women like those characters. Still, I have to admit that the trailer makes the movie look like insufferable shit. But I think it is going to open extremely huge, at least for a movie of its kind.
Posted by ROTC
at May 4, 2008 4:16 PM
comment #5
Feathers McGraw
says ...
Orr seriously misreads the show, which was much more about the ongoing process of those four women letting go of their idealized notions of the perfect mate and realizing that they could find love and happiness with partners that were bald and sloppy, inappropriately young, or working class and puppyish. Of the four, only Carrie ended up with her ideal guy, and that was only because he changed into someone who was capable of giving himself over to her. Gawd, I've thought about this show way more than any straight guy ought to...
Posted by Feathers McGraw
at May 4, 2008 4:33 PM
comment #6
Jay T.
says ...
I never disliked the show so much as I despised the way people wrote about it, like the article quoted here. And I agree that the it makes me wonder if she ever even watched the show...
Posted by Jay T.
at May 4, 2008 4:58 PM
comment #7
malibugigolo
says ...
ROTC
"simply don't know women like those characters"
There is nothing to get to know. Life is too short for such non sense.
Posted by malibugigolo
at May 4, 2008 5:55 PM
comment #8
Glenn Kenny
says ...
Yeah, you know, not to beat on a dead horse, but what was it about the "SATC" characters that would lead anyone to refer to them as "smart" or "clever"? Did any one of them ever express an idea worth sharing, or a noteworthy opinion about a book, a film, a piece of music? The women on "The Golden Girls" sound like characters in a late Godard film by comparison...
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 4, 2008 5:56 PM
comment #9
erniesouchak
says ...
These characters were originally written as gay men and it shows. Some would say Samantha still retains a lot of those characteristics.
Posted by erniesouchak
at May 4, 2008 8:20 PM
comment #10
K. Bowen
says ...
I saw ten minutes of one episode and found it so horrendously unfunny that I never tried again.
Posted by K. Bowen
at May 4, 2008 8:42 PM
comment #11
p.Vice
says ...
How much ya wanna bet the bitch that wrote this article hasn't gotten laid for years?
Posted by p.Vice
at May 4, 2008 8:57 PM
comment #12
The Winchester
says ...
"I never disliked the show so much as I despised the way people wrote about it, like the article quoted here."
That's how I feel about pretty much every TV show HBO produces. That's why I couldn't give a damn about a certain cut to black.
This movie looks horrible. It will make tons of money.
Posted by The Winchester
at May 4, 2008 8:58 PM
comment #13
Zimmergirl
says ...
LOL, for all of Wells' posturing and elitist attitudes he's done and raised a blog that draws the very kind of men he puts down on a regular basis. Oh, the irony.
And who knew Glenn Kenny was such a dolt about women? Wow, the things one learns on a galumph site. Gas and Sip ring any bells?
Either most of you have never seen Sex and the City more than a few times OR you have to wonder why guys like you HAVE seen Sex and the City more than a few times.
Hm. Could it be all that SEX?!! Oh no? The shoes? Come on, admit it - it was the shoes. At any rate, there were plenty of great men on the show, up to and including the male model who stuck by Samantha during her cancer scare.
Posted by Zimmergirl
at May 4, 2008 10:45 PM
comment #14
Tram
says ...
Yeah, well, good try, Ms. Orr. But I'm still convinced that Samantha's a MAN. There's a bulge that's hidden somewhere in Samantha's pants - it just has yet to be discovered.
And I actually agree with Glenn Kenny. I'd run away from these ladies in a sec. There are far more interesting female characters on the small screen (Gilmore Girls' Lorelai and Rory come to mind) than these four drag queens.
Posted by Tram
at May 5, 2008 1:11 AM
comment #15
Glenn Kenny
says ...
...and along comes Zimmergirl to close my case. Thanks!
No Gas and Sips in Brooklyn, Zim. And if there were, I doubt my wife would let me hang out at one. Bars are more fun, anyway.
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 5, 2008 5:37 AM
comment #16
malibugigolo
says ...
"male model who stuck by Samantha during her cancer scare"
Of course it was the little boy's feelings that helped her most of all.
Not a man's grasp of science.
Yep, Glenn Kenny she does close the case on this one.
Posted by malibugigolo
at May 5, 2008 7:07 AM
comment #17
T. Holly
says ...
Oh God Glenn, you're such a beater, don't think we haven't heard you kowtowing to the little wifey over at your site. SATC is your sexscape, fess up.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 5, 2008 1:57 PM
comment #18
nemo
says ...
I've never seen the television show. But if the Sarah Jessica Parker character is supposed to be so smart and independent, why is she always dressed like a giddy 9-year-old on a sugar high?
Look at that outfit she's wearing! I don't know any adult females who would be caught dead going out of the house looking like that.
Posted by nemo
at May 5, 2008 2:35 PM
comment #19
T. Holly
says ...
You're right NEMO, Annie Hall did that look much better with a thrift store vibe. I hate these whiney bitches with their uninteresting parties, unbelievable lives, fake needs and expensive accoutrements, I'm more awaiting the chick with boyfriend and job problems who made every Julia Child recipe in her small downtown apartment. That's haute.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 6, 2008 8:42 AM
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