July 2
July 3
July 4
Diminished Capacity
Gonzo: The Life and Work of Hunter S. Thompson
We are Together
July 9
July 11
August
Eight Miles High
Journey to the Center of the Earth
Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired
July 18
A Very British Gangster
Before I Forget
Felon
Lou Reed's Berlin
Transsiberian
July 22
July 23
Two of my all-time favorite movie titles are I Dismember Mama, which was used for a 1974 slasher film, and The Importance of Being Ernest, the title of a script for a Jim Varney "Ernest" film that was unfortunately not used. And I've always loved Out of the Past, the quietly haunting title of Jacques Tourneur's legendary 1947 noir with Robert Mitchum and Jane Greer.

I'm also partial to Se7en, Freddie Got Fingered, Platoon and Earth Girls Are Easy because they make the movies sound like they pretty much know exactly who and what they are.
But I strongly disliked Something's Gotta Give, the name of Nancy Meyers' 2003 romantic comedy with Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson, because any film using a Johnny Mercer song title, I figured, will almost certainly be "schmaltzy," "staid," "overly insulated," etc. Which the movie was, of course..
Nonetheless, Josh Friedman's L.A. Times profile of Seth Lockhart and Jamil Barrie, the co-owners of TitleDoctors, suggests that Something's Got to Give -- a title apparently originated by the Ant Farm's Andy Solomon -- was one of the great movie-title decisions so far because the film went on to earn $267 million, and that the title "probably didn't hurt." Well, it did hurt with guys like me. I'm just saying.
The piece says that an alternate title that was kicked around for Will Smith's Hancock was Tonight He Comes. (And comes and comes.)
The worst titles of all time? The Human Stain, WUSA, To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar, The Silver Chalice, Eegah, Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever and Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on May 12, 2008 at 04:42 AM
comment #1
says ...How about SHINING THROUGH... or does anyone who was even associated with that cluinker even remember the title? And another Michael Douglas one... THE STAR CHAMBER... Although I quite enjoyed the movie, I thought THE GAME was penalized from the start... why else was it called THE GAME unless it was all... wait a minnute, is this part of the game? A pity THE GIFT had already been tagged.
Personally, what I sometimes do is rename movies from other movies... so NORTH BY NORTHWEST could be PLANES, TRAINS AND AUTOMOBILES. PSYCHO could be ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER and A BEAUTIFUL MIND would be THE MOST BORING STORY EVER TOLD.
Posted by The Pope
at May 12, 2008 05:37 AM
comment #2
says ...I still can't wrap my arms around Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Unnecessarily wordy. Of course, Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of the all-time great titles, which Lucas of course f'ed up in the marketing of the DVD releases as Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
My least favorite titles are mostly sequel-related: Return to Snowy River Part II (either call it Man From Snowy River II or Return to Snowy River, not both) and Rambo III (seeing that there's no such thing as Rambo I).
Posted by Josh Massey
at May 12, 2008 05:40 AM
Posted by JHRussell
at May 12, 2008 06:04 AM
Posted by Rich S.
at May 12, 2008 06:26 AM
comment #5
says ..."Two of the worst: Basic Instinct and Fatal Attraction"
All those two word 80s-90s thriller titles are like generic packaging at the supermarket. Total Asparagus. Maximum Window Cleaner. Executive Oatmeal. Fatal Babywipes.
But the worst titles all start with the same two words: "Stephen King's"....
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 06:33 AM
comment #6
says ...Sometime around the late 80s/early90s Hollywood got gerund-happy and has not looked back since. Of course, just b/c a title begins with a gerund does not mean it's a bad movie, but look at these douche chill-inducing examples. You can count the classics on one hand.
Feeling Minnesota
Deconstructing Harry
Raising Arizona
Drowning Mona
Romancing the Stone
Serving Sarah
Leaving Las Vegas
Saving Private Ryan
Finding Forrester
Gleaming the Cube
Being John Malkovich
Regarding Henry
Boxing Helena
Losing Isaiah
Stealing Home
Killing Zoe
Driving Miss Daisy
Wrestling Ernest Hemingway
Pushing Tin
Waking Ned Divine
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Kissing Jessica Stein
Searching For Bobby Fisher
Riding in Cars With Boys
Being Human
Finding Nemo
Saving Silverman
My personal favorite: Leaving Normal (WTF???)
For more bad gerund titles:
http://orion.math.iastate.edu/burkardt/movieplay/movie_gerund.html
Posted by Dr. Smith
at May 12, 2008 06:33 AM
comment #7
says ...Of course, one of the problems that the 9/11-Iraq movie wave all had was that every single title sucked. In The Valley of Elah, Stop Loss (isn't that something you do when you're buying stocks?), Rendactitioned,The Kingdom (that will always be a Danish hospital to me), A Mighty Heart (sounds like it's about a drama teacher who inspires inner city kids), etc. The only one that hasn't had ass for a title was United 93.
Compare to:
The Deer Hunter
Apocalypse Now
Coming Home
Full Metal Jacket
Three Kings
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 06:44 AM
Posted by George Prager
at May 12, 2008 07:28 AM
Posted by actionman
at May 12, 2008 07:39 AM
Posted by sardine
at May 12, 2008 07:39 AM
Posted by Walter Sobchak
at May 12, 2008 07:58 AM
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 08:08 AM
comment #13
says ...They make great movies, but the Coens' taste in titles in pretty bad: Raising Arizona, Barton Fink, Fargo, O Brother Where Art Thou, and of course, The Big Lebowski. Miller's Crossing and No Country For Old Men are so evocative, though.
On a side note: To Wong Foo...may just be the worst title ever given to a major studio release. I remember hearing it announced and was convinced they'd change it before the release. Then I saw the poster...Eeagh! indeed.
Posted by pupkin
at May 12, 2008 08:16 AM
Posted by Dr. Smith
at May 12, 2008 08:16 AM
Posted by pupkin
at May 12, 2008 08:17 AM
Posted by Rich S.
at May 12, 2008 08:27 AM
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 08:38 AM
Posted by Undercover Brother
at May 12, 2008 08:39 AM
Posted by Undercover Brother
at May 12, 2008 08:43 AM
Posted by rr3333
at May 12, 2008 08:59 AM
comment #21
says ...Dr. Smith: Yes, some of the titles are very quetionable...
Here are the ten I feel are classics, in one way or another:
Raising Arizona
Romancing the Stone
Leaving Las Vegas
Saving Private Ryan
Being John Malkovich
Driving Miss Daisy
Waking Ned Divine
Kissing Jessica Stein
Searching For Bobby Fisher
Finding Nemo
Also, Fart: The Movie has got to be one of the worst movie titles ever.
Posted by actionman
at May 12, 2008 09:19 AM
Posted by dinther
at May 12, 2008 09:22 AM
Posted by Michael
at May 12, 2008 09:34 AM
comment #24
says ...actionman: I seriously question the Classic status of...
Driving Miss Daisy
Waking Ned Divine
Kissing Jessica Stein
Searching For Bobby Fisher
Saving Private Ryan
My main point is that, as a rule, gerunds are not good for titles. As far as I can tell they are meant to be intriguing ("Hmm, I wonder what it would be like to gleam the cube?") but usually end up being repellent and pretentious.
I'd rather have a wacko title with some balls like The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh or The Big Lebowski than some icky, precious crap like Leaving Normal. Ewww...
Also: David Mamet can whip some doozy, non-gerund titles as well. I submit Glengarry Glen Ross, Oleanna, and Bookworm (the original title for The Edge, which ain't much better)
Posted by Dr. Smith
at May 12, 2008 09:34 AM
Posted by JHRussell
at May 12, 2008 09:40 AM
Posted by Rich S.
at May 12, 2008 09:59 AM
Posted by JapAdapters
at May 12, 2008 10:01 AM
comment #28
says ...The Sterile Cuckoo
Great titles: Midnight Cowboy, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Being There (a gerund from 1979! Could it be the father?)
Until the End of the World is one of my favorites. Anyone know how to get a copy of the 4 hour version?
Posted by JeffTo
at May 12, 2008 10:07 AM
Posted by sutter kane
at May 12, 2008 10:24 AM
Posted by redmond
at May 12, 2008 10:26 AM
Posted by JHRussell
at May 12, 2008 10:33 AM
comment #32
says ...Along with great accidental sentences (there used to be a marquee along the 90 Freeway in Marina Del Rey that was great for that) are the titles that glance at too quickly and get wrong. You known, the ones you see while driving and have to read twice because you know that you have it wrong. But then, you can't ever think of the title the intended way again.
My favorite was THE EVIL THAT MEN DO
Which when glanced at while driving past one night became: THE EVIL MENUDO
Posted by CinemaPhreek
at May 12, 2008 10:33 AM
Posted by JHRussell
at May 12, 2008 10:37 AM
comment #34
says ...Vince Vaughn's Wild West Comedy Show: 30 Days and 30 Nights: Hollywood to the Heartland is the all-time worst movie title. Anything with two colons is bad news (see also Lara Croft: Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life).
Posted by Rob
at May 12, 2008 10:37 AM
comment #35
says ...CinemaPhreek, that made me laugh out loud.
Reminds me of when my college roommate asked me when the local theater started playing foreign films. The marquee was missing the "m"s and due to bad spacing read:
du band du ber
We still laugh about that one.
Posted by JasonGeyer
at May 12, 2008 10:44 AM
Posted by Chance
at May 12, 2008 10:45 AM
Posted by dangovich
at May 12, 2008 10:46 AM
comment #38
says ..."Nice Girls Don't Explode"
And continuing with Mike Figgis, "Liebestraum", which, though it's a movie I love, has a title that probably killed it for most people.
Also, the complete cut of Until the End of the World is available as a PAL import from xploitedcinema: http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/until-world-directors-p-7436.html
It's also often available on ebay. No region one set yet and maybe never...
Posted by JohnCope
at May 12, 2008 10:53 AM
Posted by T. S. Idiot
at May 12, 2008 11:03 AM
Posted by Chinaski
at May 12, 2008 11:05 AM
Posted by HoopersX
at May 12, 2008 11:20 AM
comment #42
says ...The Bond franchise went through a rough patch with its Sidney Sheldon phase of titles, including "Tomorrow Never Dies," "The World Is Not Enough" and "Die Another Day."
"Octopussy" was a dreadful title too, although ironically it has arguably the most underrated of all Bond theme songs, Rita Coolidge's "All-Time High."
Posted by vp19
at May 12, 2008 11:40 AM
Posted by CinemaPhreek
at May 12, 2008 11:41 AM
comment #44
says ..."du band du ber"
This is not a movie title, but I had a similar reaction to a sign on a local Dairy Queen that was supposed to read:
THERE'S A BLIZZARD INSIDE
But the L and the I were spaced too close together, so it looked like:
THERE'S A BUZZARD INSIDE
Every time I drove by I imagined a carload of kids clamoring, Mommy, Mommy, let's go inside and see the buzzard!
Posted by nemo
at May 12, 2008 12:06 PM
Posted by berg
at May 12, 2008 12:06 PM
Posted by Armin Tamzarian
at May 12, 2008 12:09 PM
Posted by nemo
at May 12, 2008 12:09 PM
comment #48
says ...KISS KISS BANG BANG is my ultimate "test movie." If someone doesn't like it then their taste will always be in question. Robert Downey Jr. trying to explain to Val Kilmer why he pissed on a corpse is probably the funniest moment in movie history. Out of context it sounds wrong, but in context it's piss your pants funny.
Posted by Rothchild
at May 12, 2008 12:16 PM
Posted by bmcintire
at May 12, 2008 12:21 PM
comment #50
says ...Hey Berg, if you listen closely they actually say "Ants In Your Plants of 1938." The censor wouldn't let them say "ants in your pants." Of course, that's what everyone heard anyway.
Sweet Smell of Success is certainly a great one-- just DRIPPING with contempt.
Citizen Kane is a great title-- the first ironic title in Hollywood history, or at least since "The Big Parade."
And Blue Velvet-- talk about summing up a world of perversity in two little words.
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 12:28 PM
comment #51
says ...I think you have to take adaptations off the table. DRIVING MISS DAISY, DIVINE SECRETS..., etc.: They were known properties before they became films and changing the titles would confuse audiences familiar with the play or book. (And credit is due the original authors of THE MALTESE FALCON, etc.)
I didn't care for ELAH, but I think those who did would also question its title.
AMERICAN anything is always suspect. Usually heavily, easily ironic.
Great titles: NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD and THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE.
FATAL ATTRACTION and BASIC INSTINCT are brilliant titles. It's the ones that followed in their wake that stank.
Posted by btwnproductions
at May 12, 2008 12:34 PM
comment #52
says ...From a purely marketing standpoint, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre might be the best title in the history of film. What person that even sorta liked horror didn't hear that and immediately become interested?
Posted by Josh Massey
at May 12, 2008 12:38 PM
Posted by Mgmax
at May 12, 2008 12:39 PM
comment #54
says ...How about a special demerit for those films that hit us over the head with a character unnecessarily saying the title aloud, in case we're too dumb to make the association ourselves? Three that come to mind:
WONDER BOYS
THE DEPARTED
THE PERFECT STORM
It doesn't have to be a bad movie, either. One of these is an all-time favorite of mine.
One that you worry is going to blow it, but then doesn't:
YOU CAN COUNT ON ME
Rothchild: I passed!
Posted by Major Calloway
at May 12, 2008 12:43 PM
comment #55
says ...I read once - I don't remember where - how a guy used to go to movies with the same group of friends, sit in the very front row, and wildly applaud whenever a character said the movie's title. He said they practically wore out their hands in Wall Street, but didn't have much to do in The Unbearable Lightness of Being.
Posted by Josh Massey
at May 12, 2008 12:46 PM
Posted by Rich S.
at May 12, 2008 12:47 PM
comment #57
says ...I still remember seeing a picture of a drive-in marquee taken in the summer of '79:
ALIEN
MEATBALLS
ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ
Dr. Smith, you're absolutely right about gerund titles. They're the worst. 'Repellent' and 'pretentious' nails it. They're a combination of abject laziness and suffocating 'indie' smugness. You can almost imagine those titles wearing a soul patch.
Posted by cm65
at May 12, 2008 12:49 PM
comment #58
says ...Just for the record: "Something's Got to Give" was the title of the last movie Marilyn Monroe was associated with before her death. Cyd Charisse told me Monroe's behavior had been very erratic and she ultimately had to be replaced. The movie was never completed.
Posted by Scott Feinberg
at May 12, 2008 12:54 PM
Posted by Chris Willman
at May 12, 2008 01:25 PM
Posted by BurmaShave
at May 12, 2008 01:32 PM
Posted by BurmaShave
at May 12, 2008 01:59 PM
Posted by Josh Massey
at May 12, 2008 01:59 PM
comment #63
says ..."AMERICAN anything is always suspect. Usually heavily, easily ironic."
Agreed, although American Gigolo was a pretty good title.
Destroy All Monsters came out when I was in my early teens, and I sure thought it was great title both then and now.
The Pit and the Pendulum had such a great, creepy title I could never overcome my dread to bring myself to see the movie.
Some other titles I've always liked for movies I've never seen:
The 5,000 Fingers of Doctor T.
I Woke Up Early the Day I Died
Dead Heat on a Merry-Go-Round
Seance on a Wet Afternoon
Posted by nemo
at May 12, 2008 02:01 PM
comment #64
says ...Really great, vividly inviting titles:
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Footlight Parade
Vertigo
The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
Murder on the Orient Express
The Night of the Living Dead
Play Misty for Me
Touch of Evil
Orphans of the Storm
The Last Temptation of Christ
Shanghai Express
Back to the Future
A Streetcar Named Desire
The Unbearable Lightnes of Being
Thunder Road
Five Came Back
Beware of a Holy Whore
101 Dalmatians
While the City Sleeps
Planet of the Apes
There Will Be Blood
Best Chinese translated title:
Ironfist Rides a Train
for Breakheart Pass
A particularly ill-chosen title:
Squanto: A Warrior's Tale
My favorite porn title:
A Rear and Pleasant Danger
Posted by Doug Pratt
at May 12, 2008 02:13 PM
Posted by alynch
at May 12, 2008 02:21 PM
comment #66
says ...The 5,000 Fingers of Doctor T.
Nemo, that is a must. It's about a kid who has a dream about being pressed into slave labor by a piano teacher, along with 499 other kids. Dr. Seuss was the production designer. One seriously deranged piece of work.
And I think Dr. Strangelove would be a great title, regardless of the quality of the film.
Posted by Rich S.
at May 12, 2008 02:38 PM
Posted by pupkin
at May 12, 2008 03:03 PM
comment #68
says ...Mgmax: "All those two word 80s-90s thriller titles are like generic packaging at the supermarket. Total Asparagus. Maximum Window Cleaner. Executive Oatmeal. Fatal Babywipes."
OK, there may be something wrong with me, but "Fatal Babywipes"....is a movie I might pay to see.
Posted by Eric Stanton
at May 12, 2008 04:38 PM
comment #69
says ...If a tilte starts with "The Last...." it's usually a sign of an unwarranted grandiosity and a lack of imagination. Except in the case of "The Last Picture Show" where the title perfectly conveys the film's poignancy, and the movie is so good that it earns the metaphoric weight of the title.
Posted by Eric Stanton
at May 12, 2008 04:45 PM
Posted by blathe
at May 12, 2008 04:57 PM
comment #71
says ...Whenever this topic comes up, my standard fall-back answer is PUZZLE OF A DOWNFALL CHILD.
Best title ever? SNAKES ON A PLANE. (OK, maybe not *ever*, but of the last few years at least.)
Posted by MoroccoMole
at May 12, 2008 05:36 PM
Posted by bmcintire
at May 12, 2008 05:40 PM
Posted by MrG
at May 12, 2008 06:16 PM
comment #74
says ...I remember having to change the marquee at the movie theater I worked at in the spring of '01. My favorite line up was
SPY KIDS
BLOW
SNATCH
It took the bosses a while to realize what I had done, but I was proud.
And I have to second the Snakes on a Plane as a great title. Terrible movie, but at least you know what you're getting into.
And because we're talking titles, my favorite porn riff on a regular title: Porn on the 4th of July.
Posted by The Winchester
at May 12, 2008 06:26 PM
Posted by nemo
at May 12, 2008 07:14 PM
comment #76
says ...Favorites:
Most recently: "Zombie Strippers"
All time greats:
Duck You Sucker
The Green Slime
Sh! The Octopus
Oh Dad Poor Dad, Mama's Hung You In the
Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad
Who Is Harry Kellerman And Why Is He
saying Those Terrible Things About Me?
Beach Blanket Bingo
Go Kill and Come Back
Slave Girls From Beyond Infinity
Posted by moviemaniac2002
at May 12, 2008 07:23 PM
Posted by LOTGA
at May 12, 2008 07:27 PM
comment #78
says ...No more movie titles should be allowed to start with "Confessions of a..." or end with "... Confidential".
But regarding Coen Bros. movie titles, I remember seeing Barton Fink, Hudsucker Proxy and Raising Arizona without knowing they were the same people who made The Big Lebowski and Fargo, and from what I remember, I think the titles were a big part of what attracted me to all of them.
Posted by Pete
at May 12, 2008 07:31 PM
comment #79
says ...Big Trouble in Little China
Good call. Great title.
One more great one occurred to me: True Romance. It's both misleading and completely accurate at the same time.
Posted by Josh Massey
at May 12, 2008 08:25 PM
Posted by Caustic712
at May 12, 2008 09:24 PM
Posted by Dzayson
at May 12, 2008 09:58 PM
Posted by PerfectTommy
at May 12, 2008 10:45 PM
Posted by pcc
at May 13, 2008 12:42 AM
Posted by Movie Watcher
at May 13, 2008 01:30 AM
comment #85
says ...The use is usually pretty glaring, such as, "My God! We're going on a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea!"
"I'm just so tired of all these star wars!"
The Japanese have a way with titles:
Negative Happy Chainsaw Edge
Big Bang Love: Juvenile A
Teenager Hooker Who Died and Became a Killing Machine (okay so this one is Korean, sue me)
Unfortunately only one of these is actually watchable.
Posted by Bob Violence
at May 13, 2008 03:23 AM
comment #86
says ..."KISS KISS BANG BANG is my ultimate "test movie." If someone doesn't like it then their taste will always be in question. Robert Downey Jr. trying to explain to Val Kilmer why he pissed on a corpse is probably the funniest moment in movie history. Out of context it sounds wrong, but in context it's piss your pants funny."
Funny, it's my test movie too, but in the opposite direction.
To each their own ...
Posted by JapAdapters
at May 13, 2008 11:44 AM
comment #87
says ...Japadapters - sorry, but to say KKBB is your test movie in the "oppositie direction" is frankly bullshit. You would need to give a movie that a lot of people saw, like say BATMAN BEGINS as an example of a movie that people rave about that made a lot of dough but maybe you don't see it that way...
Nobody saw KKBB. It didn't make any money. As part of this thread, it was a really bad title that kept lots of people from seeing it. So how is that your "test" of the movie judgment of people who rave about it (and outnumbered you on this thread 3 or 4 to 1, so maybe that should give you some pause).
Yes, to each his own, but give us an example of your tastes to the positive side of the ledger...
Posted by JHRussell
at May 13, 2008 01:14 PM
comment #88
says ...Bullshit, huh?
How is it any more bullshit than the post I replied to? Why are you the one who decides what this thread is about? Why should I change my opinion on a movie I expected to like but found to be an overly cute piece of shit just because four people on the internet liked it? (Would you change your opinion if four people on this thread had agreed with me? I sure hope not.)
And, finally, why do I have to "give you" anything?
Posted by JapAdapters
at May 13, 2008 03:19 PM
Posted by Mgmax
at May 13, 2008 06:41 PM
comment #90
says ...-Best title for an Indiana Jones film:
INDIANA JONES IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING.
-A variation on The Winchester's spring of '01 marquee:
SPY KIDS
BLOW
POKEMAN
-Best real or imagined porn titles I can remember off the top of my head:
SHAVING RYAN'S PRIVATES
GLAD HE ATE HER
BACKSIDE TO THE FUTURE
REAR ANAL WINDOW
YOUR ASSLICK PARK
HARRY SQUATTER AND THE SORCEROR'S BONE
MEN IN BACK
ADD MAMA TO THE TRAIN
ALL INSIDE MY MOTHER
SCHINDLER'S FIST
MRS. HOLLAND'S ANUS
ALL THAT JIZZ
DAS BOOTY
MY FAVORITE REAR
SPLATMAN
SEX TREK TWO: THE QUEST FOR SPERM
-Best titles for movies that have not yet been made:
THE DEVIL MADE WOMAN
EVIL IS SHE
THE DAMNED DIE DIRTY
THE FILTHY FOOLS
"It's the Empire, kid. And they're striking back!!"
Posted by Aunt Sassy
at May 13, 2008 11:11 PM
Posted by Aunt Sassy
at May 13, 2008 11:31 PM
Posted by Bob Violence
at May 14, 2008 06:50 AM
Posted by Bob Violence
at May 14, 2008 07:51 AM
Posted by Rich S.
at May 14, 2008 11:29 AM
Posted by Major Calloway
at May 14, 2008 01:07 PM
comment #96
says ...The tagline (used on the video boxes at least) for I Dismember Mama was "May She Rest in Pieces". Still haven't seen it, but it gave good poster.
Someone else mentioned Chopping Mall, which is a great title- for a diferent movie. That movie's original title (Killbots) is much more accurate, as the threat is security robots, not a slasher. Too bad they didn't think of the title before they wrote it or they could've made a better and cheaper movie.
I like the giallo title Strip Nude For Your Killer, but haven't got around to watching that one either.
Posted by ab
at May 16, 2008 12:48 PM
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