comment #1

EOTW says ...

Enjoy the superior feeling, gloat all you like, Jeff. Come November, when McCain wins and the GOP is gloating, just remember you and all the other bleeding hearts had it coming.

comment #2

gruver1 says ...

I'll remember it, EOTW. Just like you'll squirm away and go "who, me?" like the disciple Peter when McCain doesn't win. And how am I gloating by noting that Clinton had to be forced by legislators to show class and graciousness?

comment #3

Richardson says ...

Yeah, Jeff, you and the other bleeding hearts should've let Hillary steal this from Obama the way the bleeding hearts in 2000 let Bush steal it from Gore.

comment #4

kidkosmic says ...

Neither Obama or Hillary care what Olbermann has to say, I trust. Why should anyone else?

I mean, who in the world would take heed of this pathetic individual's rantings? God help the United States if we elect a President who would give a rat's ass what KO has to say.

comment #5

EOTW says ...

kudos to kk.

comment #6

D.Z. says ...

EOTW: The only way McCain is going to win is if he rigs the vote like Bush. And even the GOP doesn't have confidence in McCain the way they did in Bush.

Richardson: You're unknowingly making an argument for why Obama should be nominated.

comment #7

Joe Leydon says ...

Kidkosmic: Olbermann is an audacious, entertaining and intelligent journalist/essayist/commentator whose words are taken seriously by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of discerning individuals. You, on the other hand, are a pathetic nonentity who posts on blogs while remaining too cowardly to sign your own name. Guess whose opinion I value more highly?

And before you or anyone else wants to attack me for writing this -- unless you are willing to attach your own name to your attack, as Olbermann does every time he offers commentary -- or, for that matter, Bill O'Reilly does every time he offers his -- then you, too, are a coward whose opinion doesn't matter to me. Blather away, it won't matter.

comment #8

supertaster says ...

olbermann is a clown...i catch him 2-3 times a week...if he lost his unctuousness, blinding partialness, deferential guests, tiny glasses, and unhealthy obsession with bill o'reilly he *might* be compelling...

comment #9

The Bandsaw Vigilante says ...

EOTW:

I truly want to see you be forced to grit your teeth through Obama's inauguration. If, God willing, the country is fortunate enough, it will happen.

comment #10

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Leydon: Well said! Wells to Kid Kozmic: The human drama is so much more interesting if you don't try and reduce it to this or that, if you catch my drift. Give it a little thought, think it through, weigh the pros and cons, apply the lessons you learned in high-school about composition and sentence structure and then post a reaction.

comment #11

supertaster says ...

no one questions KO's intelligence, Joe...it's his unbridled hatred for anything or anyone conservative (not in the Republican sense of the word, but the true definition that should appeal to many of his "small-government" ideals that he seems to espouse on a nightly basis)...there's just no chance of watching his show and actually learning anything completely...his show has become a regular session of "bash hillary, bash mccain, bash mccain, bash hillary, oddball, bash oreilly"...example: didn't even mention Obama's split from his church but will devote 20 minutes to McCain's "pastor problem"...it's like a big democrat pep rally and even when dems behave badly, they seem to have safe harbor at Countdown...

comment #12

supertaster says ...

...KO, BillO, they are "brand names"...unlike KO, BO, Jeff Wells, Joe Leydon, we are not public personas...we are not building a brand...we have nothing to gain by divulging a real name...no money to make, only grief...

comment #13

Howlingman says ...

As 24 hours is a long time in politics and we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 months to election day, is it safe to assume all the rampant predictions of the outcome are nul and void?

comment #14

bb says ...

Wow Joe Leydon, you post your full name in the comments section of a movie blog. Talk about personal courage.

Meanwhile I hide behind an alias to avoid personal responsibility for my words.

The indicators for integrity have never been so clearly defined.

comment #15

Joe Leydon says ...

BB: I post my full name wherever I offer commentary, whether it be on an op-ed page or a movie blog, or as a talking head on a TV newscast. On the other hand -- as you admit, you avoid personal responsibility. Not exactly a profile in courage, sport.

Supertatser: Weak. Very weak.

Howlingman: Probably correct. I can remember that, around this time in 2000, some "experts" were already saying, in effect, stick a fork in Bush, he's done.

comment #16

Walter Sobchak says ...

"As MSNBC's Keith Olbermann quipped today..."

"Quipped"?

He actually quipped? You mean it wasn't part of ranting, red-faced, self-righteous, coke-fueled, Murrow-wannabe, ten-minute-long, just-faxed-over-from-Daily Kos "special comment"?

comment #17

JapAdapters says ...

My personal politics are so far to the "left" that none of these candidates are talking about what I think they should be (I have hope -- as in, I hope he gets in office and governs a lot differently than he has trying to get there -- for Obama, but lets all be real, that's all we have, because we don't know what he'll be) and I fucking HATE Keith Olbermann.

Personally, I find people who like this sort of smug, self-righteous, table slapping schtick because it fits there personal politics -- and the same goes for Republicans who like O'Reilly -- hard to take seriously, and that includes my own mother, who would probably physically attack O'Reilly if she saw him but looooooves Olbermann. (And, to be clear, I generally agree with what he's saying, but I hate the WAY he says it ... when I can even stomach watching him.)

Hey, Keith, this isn't Sports Center. Politics are supposed to be, like, really important. Thanks for lowering the bar on discourse, though, because your legacy of ruining sportscasting, something that's ultimately trivial, wasn't enough .... apparently. Now put the biscuit in the basket.

comment #18

D.Z. says ...

Walter: Don't use the cocaine card and support a President who took it in college.

Jap: "Thanks for lowering the bar on discourse, though, "

He should be like the rest of the media and just parrot whatever Bush says, instead of proving him wrong.

comment #19

supertaster says ...

which part is weak joe, my clearly laid out reasons for discrediting olbermann as a serious journo or reasons for not posting under a real name?

You're Joe Leydon, you want you're name to be out there, you want people associating with Joe Leydon...you have something to gain from people recognizing the name "Joe Leydon"...what difference does it make whether I post under supertaster, Terry Malloy, or my real name??? There's still no accountability and nothing to be gained...

comment #20

Joe Leydon says ...

Supertaster: You are a coward, A pussy. A bitch-ass punk. You want to be on the Internet, and strut and sass, but you're terrified that people will know who you really are. You and your kind disgust me. And I wonder if you have any idea how much contempt Jeff and I and all of us who don't hide behind fake names have for you. You are the equivalent of something I would scrape off the bottom of my boot. You want to throw rocks through people's windows, then run away lest you be found out. How could I possibly respect what you or anyone like you has to say? You want to say something, bitch? Then have the balls to be accountable for it. Otherwise, kiss my ass. And don't dare address me again. Or I'll call you out for the pathetic cunt you are.

comment #21

supertaster says ...

Mr. Joe Leydon, ad hominem extradonaire...

...and still avoiding the discussion about olbermann...bravo...

...and still avoiding my very salient point that it wouldn't matter whether i posted under johnny friendly or any other psuedonym, it wouldn't mean a damn thing because my name is not recognizable ANYWAY.

What it comes down to, Joe, is that you are an egomaniac, and any opportunity to spread your name is one you will take, even if it is on laughably inconsequential message boards of third-tier industry insiders...

comment #22

Ogami Itto says ...

What it comes down to, Joe, is that you are an egomaniac, and any opportunity to spread your name is one you will take, even if it is on laughably inconsequential message boards of third-tier industry insiders...

If Joe is so "laughable" and this board so "inconsequential" then it doesn't speak well of your being here pissing and moaning, as opposed to doing something productive with your life.

Go gently into the night, "supertaster."

comment #23

supertaster says ...

ogami, i didn't call joe laughable, i called this board laughably inconsequential, as in having no impact on the world...getting so riled up about someone trying to explain why they use a pseudonym is waaaay to intense for such casual fare...but being inconsequential doesn't disqualify something from being a fun or engaging diversion, as this board can sometimes be...it's when someone resorts to name-calling and denunciation that one needs to step back and gain perspective.

...so not only did you completely misrepresent my statement, you also mischaracterized our argument...i'm not here pissing and moaning about anything...i talked about olbermann's weaknesses as a television personality and political pundit...leydon exploded at what was a benign explanation as to why i post under a pseudonym...

...i bet that one-line at the end felt really good, didn't it...i'm happy i was able to brighten up your day...

Cheers!

comment #24

Joe Leydon says ...

Supertaster: Why should I bother to engage in a debate with someone who is afraid to face me on a level ground? You are a pussy. You are afraid. You are beneath me.

comment #25

supertaster says ...

...well all i can say is, if Wells has such contempt for anonymity, he shouldn't post things like "well-respected NY directors says..." or "friend of producer on new Cruise film emailed me to say..." so before you draw lines in the sand for others, you might want to check with them...besides, i HAVE emailed Wells under my real name numerous times...

...i'm not in the industry, you wouldn't recognize my name anyway, so it's not that i'm hiding, it's that it doesn't matter, so why give real weirdos an opportunity to be mischievous? i'm not out there making outrageous comments so there really is nothing to be held accountable for...i don't seek glorification or even credibility, this is a simple diversion that doesn't warrant such seriousness....

...oh what the fuck, i don't know why I'm being so civil while YOU are the one behaving like a reactionary child hiding behind a computer screen...you're using your real name? Big deal, you're still saying things from the safety of your home that you would never say to another person face-to-face, and *I'm* the pussy? You're mustering all of your internet courage to call out someone in the style of a 13 year old in a chat room, and I'm the pussy...whatever you say, old man...

Sorry I trashed your hero Olbermann in such a calm and reasoned way...then again, using you and Olbermann as examples, I guess seasoned liberal-types prefer a more hammy, ostentateous, self-righteous, intellectually-stunted, adolescent style...

...peace, love, enlightenment...what a joke...sydney pollack would be proud...