comment #1

Crow T Robot says ...

She's not gone. She'll never be gone. Just watch. At the convention she'll crawl out the landing gear of Obama's jet and tear Lance Henrickson in half.

comment #2

EOTW says ...

Things just keep getting better and better for McCain. Must feel like he won the lottery when he woke up this morning. Nothing but blue skies...

comment #3

JohnnyCanuck says ...

Once again Obama shows Clinton what the gracious road looks like. What a disgrace that she could not acknowledge Obamas win with some dignity. Her supporters chanting "Denver, Denver, Denver" should do a little more research into the fire they are playing with by opening the door to John McCain. To promote strong feminine ideals, they will allow in a candidate who will set the back by 30 years, what a victory. It was not sexism or racism that decided this primary - it was the better political team. Its truly shameful that Clinton had to cover her own political mistakes in the shroud of sexism. She underestimated Obama, she didn't catch on the to the prevailing message soon enough to engage the public and she had the Bill C sideshow following her at every step. I do find it funny that major Clinton slogans "Yes SHE can" and McCain slogans "A LEADER we can believe in" are all based on Obama slogans. I believe Clinton will not be on the ticket and I hope that democrats smarten up and begin to realize what is important - not the personalities, but the white house.

comment #4

EOTW says ...

JC, the fact that the Dems come off as bickering children is playing right into the GOP strategy. In fact, the GOP has to do very little not to nsure a victory in Nov. the fact is that middle of the road Americans who lean towards the more conservative are not going to vote for Obama and never were. All the bickering has done is highlight the huge faults within the Dem party. Of course there are problems, HUGE problems in the GOP, mostly to do with the far right, but people are still gonig to decide on McCain when they get to the voting booth. The problem with the two party system right now, the same problem that has been not dealt with for YEARS now, is the fact that BOTH parties are run by the far left and right wings of their respective parties. it leaves independent voters, like myself, disgusted and unwilling to vote for either party, if at all.

comment #5

vansmith says ...

he is the manchurian candidate, if he wins, look Rupert Murdoch is for this guy!, its like he's in play, the media is talking it up- america as the great mosaic, its bullshit.

comment #6

EOTW says ...

"I hope that democrats smarten up and begin to realize what is important - not the personalities, but the white house."

If they didn't realize this before the race started, it's too late now. The cracks are laid bare and the final run is over before it has even gotten started.

comment #7

Ghost072 says ...

"At the convention she'll crawl out the landing gear of Obama's jet and tear Lance Henrickson in half."

That is the funniest thing I've read in days. And a great way to tie the most political of discussions to movies. Thanks, I'll be using that one, CTR...

comment #8

Movie Watcher says ...

Robot, that was funny! I could almost see her doing that, wiht Bill at the wheel of the presidental limo. She should have showed some dignity and bowed out; now Obama has to meet her? For what? I do not believe he will pick her as the VP. I can't see it. McCain is having a good year so far, but he can't distance himself from Bush too far. He wants to pimp the war for who knows how long, he wants to make the Bush taxs cuts permanent(even though he voted against it). In spite of that, there is a possibility he could get elected. You know Fox News wants Hillary as vp. This morning they were playing the tape of the catholic priest at Obama's ex-church. Hmmm...I wonder what Rush/Hannity/O'Really/Ingraham are going to talk about today? It's know wonder I don't vote. On with the bullshit!

comment #9

dp4m says ...

I agree about Crow's post. Anything that makes me "LOL out loud" as Monk would say at work, post-coffee, is pretty damned funny. I actually had to share with my other forum...

comment #10

Dave Polands Gut says ...

Why should she quit? its not like hes even won a primary since March.

comment #11

bents75 says ...

In spite of the Democratic rift right now, they have so much more public support than the GOP that they could lose so much of it and still defeat Grandpa McCain.

Did anyone see his speech last night? It was one of the worst I've ever seen.

Obama had 32,000 people in and outside of his arena and i would have been amazed if there were more than 300 people watching McCain (and in all fairness, they were probably 300 of the 325 republicans living in New Orleans, the rest of them were in bed by then).

He looked pasty, he struggled to read his teleprompter (which as i understand it is a major crutch for him - it stops working right and he freezes like a deer in headlights), and he has one of the fakest, borderline creepiest smiles ever.

This isn't even accounting for the complete absense of logic in what he was saying. Just wait for the debates - I'd like to think that Obama will wipe the floor with him intellectually, but he won't have to. Americans are superficial. It'll be like Kennedy versus Nixon. He just has to sit down next to him a few times. Eventually people will see the appeal in finally voting for vitality (and intelligence to boot) over a decrepit old man (with so-called experience.)

They're going to prove there's more to the appearance comparison than just skin color.

comment #12

Mgmax, le Corbeau says ...

Bents75, in the words of Pauline Kael, "How did Nixon win? Nobody I know voted for him."

Just remember, you are not a representative sample of the electorate.

comment #13

p.Vice says ...

I'm already looking forward to the inevitable HBO movie about this fiasco.

comment #14

Midwest Doug says ...

My one ounce of hope is that HRC is completely debt-ridden and cash-strapped, and she knew if she conceded last night those contributions would dry up immediately. So she goes for one last bump of coin in the coffers, and bows out with unofficial rumors over the weekend and an official announcement for the news cycle on Monday, the 9th.

comment #15

Midwest Doug says ...

And EOTW, nearly everything is pointing toward huge Democratic bumps in the House and Senate in 2008. The Dems certainly could lose the presidency. The divisiveness they have shown has not helped.

But to put it in context, if McCain wins it would be a far bigger upset than Bush over Gore in 2000 (where again, all the indicators said that Gore should win by a reasonable margin -- and while Gore did win the popular vote, he didn't win the electoral college.) At least Gore didn't insist on being Bush's VP....

comment #16

bluestater says ...

Obama has followed a pattern the last 20 years or so. Some of which he has been called out on, and some of which will be dumped just prior to the election. You are foolish if you think we've seen the last of the Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, and Fr. Phleger-type radical associations.

Obama is as naive as they come--like he's going to magically make a "breakthrough" by talking to terrorist-supporting heads-of-state? Like he's going to bring jobs to this country by increasing the capital gains tax by 50%? We'll be damn lucky if we don't come out a depression era country after an Obama presidency. It'll be a shock if we don't have Israeli-style suicide bombers in our malls and bus stops on a regular basis after an Obama presidency. Weakness is an invitation, folks, to things that you can't even imagine would ever happen in this country.

McCain may not have the sex appeal of Obama and may be boring as hell, but he's the only one with any balls, experience, and common sense in this race. I don't like him much on many of his policies, but he's gonna have to do this time around.

comment #17

Fien Print says ...

It's funny, because the lesson the Democrats appear to have been taught at the end of "Recount" is that you're never supposed to stop fighting if you want to win. In the context of the movie, that seems like a pretty important lesson.

Of course in 2004 in Ohio, they plunked down and curled up in a ball and never bothered to fight at all and now you have Clinton seemingly determined to to play any linguistic or semantic game at her disposal to mix up the vote totals in the hopes that one gambit, any gambit, might put her ahead in either simulated votes or simulated delegates. So Clinton actually paid attention to the lessons of 2000, but she's using her knowledge all of the wrong ways.

Meanwhile, in California yesterday we had a primary election in which voter turnout was under 20 percent in most precincts. Democracy is a fickle bitch.

comment #18

Midwest Doug says ...

Bluestater, we're already in a depression. What rational support do you have for the claim that Obama would invite terrorism while McCain would prevent it? I hope you have an fun five months of fearmongering!

If Jimmy Carter was a warmonger and in office for 8 years, he may have approximated the damage done by George W. Bush.

comment #19

bents75 says ...

"It'll be a shock if we don't have Israeli-style suicide bombers in our malls and bus stops on a regular basis after an Obama presidency. Weakness is an invitation, folks, to things that you can't even imagine would ever happen in this country."

Are you trying to say Israel is weak? Try telling that to Lebanon right now. Israel bombs the shit out of anyone who so much as farts in their general direction.

And yet...they still face suicide bombers and rockets every other day.

Hmmm, I wonder what the connection is there?

Nothing but ignorant fear mongering right there bluestater. You should get together with Cheney and go bowling sometime.

comment #20

MovieBob says ...

"Getting dragged across the finish line Tuesday night by Democrats who had had enough of the rapacious Clintons, who had decided, if it came to it, that they would rather lose with Obama than win with Hillary,"

What a pack of spoiled, whiny, idealistic little brats. I mean really, does SOMEONE want to explain to me how I'm supposed to watch these kids whistle past the graveyard to prop up Obama and think anything differently? For EIGHT YEARS Democrats and Democrat supporters have been on about the need to win back the White House in terms of nearly APOCALYPTIC urgency: "We have to rescue the planet from Global Warming!" They say, not without reason. "We have to rescue the world from Bush's war policy!" They say, also not without reason. But when it comes time to actually do it, to take the FIRST step in these grand heroic goals... they'd rather go with the weaker candidate who makes them feel good about themselves than the stronger candidate they personally dislike. PATHETIC. Almost as pathetic as St. Obama's cheeseball messianic speech - vote for me and we shall care for the sick and heal the planet! Good lord, people. When Bush pulls that sermon-on-the-mount CRAP liberals are (correctly!!) all over him, but when Barack does it it's "awww, he's so dreamy..."

The two most important - in terms of how it will affect the actual election - things that were said yesterday were said by Hillary and McCain: Hillary more-or-less offered herself up to be V.P. Do you understand what an evil-genius move that was? She doesn't REALLY want the job, and Obama would be insane to take her (can you imagine trying to be Prez with the Clintons running a gov-within-the-gov behind your back?) but just by asking she's cutting him to the quick: She's FORCING HIM to slap her HER supporters across the face personally by denying them this time by his own hand. She's going to make sure enough of "her people" vote for McCain to put him over the top so she can run as an uncontested "don't blow it TWICE kids" candidate in 2012.

Oh, and McCain's moment? When he "offhandedly" refered to Obama's victory as an annointment by "party elders and political pundits." Translation: "Psst!! Hey, Blue-collar white moderate-democrats who supported Hillary? You're RIGHT. The nomination was TAKEN from you by the Obama-loving media and old men meeting in smoky party-elder rooms. Wanna stick it to them? I'm right here."

comment #21

mizerock says ...

Yeah, everyone knows that magical breakthoughs only happen when you ignore silly things like "diplomacy", "science", and "facts" and instead put all of your faith in ... faith.

comment #22

Jimmycrackcorn says ...

Anyone who thinks the Democratic squabbling means John McCain will win in a landslide would do well to watch his universally panned--even by conservative commentators--speech from last night. He is a deeply troubled candidate, and in a way, the later in the process that that becomes THE story, the more it benefits the Democrats.

comment #23

Ghost072 says ...

"Anyone who thinks the Democratic squabbling means John McCain will win in a landslide would do well to watch his universally panned--even by conservative commentators--speech from last night. He is a deeply troubled candidate, and in a way, the later in the process that that becomes THE story, the more it benefits the Democrats."

BINGO. McCain is like Reagan without the personality and once the attention of the press is fully on him, he will fall apart, just watch. I don't remember hearing the words "Keating Five" yet this election cycle, do you? You will, and with the current financial crisis McCain's association with that scandal will be like napalm. It doesn't come off, but it burns like hell.

McCain is, essentially, the Republican version of Kerry; an relatively unpopular Senator withhin his own party propped up because of his military service. But even Kerry could speak without a teleprompter. McCain is toast...

comment #24

dinther says ...

"McCain may not have the sex appeal of Obama and may be boring as hell, but he's the only one with any balls, experience, and common sense in this race. I don't like him much on many of his policies, but he's gonna have to do this time around."

I think once the media scrutinizes McCain to some degree, instead of trotting out the "maverick" cliches, you will see what we in DC have seen for years.

McCain has two elephants in his living room. The first is his temper - it is surreal. People who have seen it are startled by its ferocity. That's why, when you see him speak nowadays, he is like the kindly old grampy on meds, speaking in sugary sweet tones, meandering from sentence to sentence without direction. Because when he speaks his mind, watch out. Scary stuff.

The other elephant is his affair with the lobbyist. Some tried to shoe this under the rug once the Times story came out earlier this year, but it will resurface. I don't work in politics in DC, but even I had heard about McCain's affair long before the Times story broke - it was notorious on the Hill. And worse, he was open and flagrant about it - easy to do with Cindy in AZ - and the only thing missing now is the videotape. Not that the affair is that relevant, mind you, but the favors for lobbyists are certainly relevant, and if he's going to run on "character," the door will be open, and this will explode once again. He's hardly the maverick that he and the media portray.

As a disclaimer of sorts, I actually applaud McCain for having the backbone to speak out against torture when the zeitgeist was the other way. But as a national candidate, he will be scrutinized, and will implode under the weight of the Republicans' own rhetoric.

comment #25

Chicago48 says ...

EOTW: Wait just a minute. Don't forget the local elections. The Dems are cleaning up in the locals, and whether or not Obama wins the Presidency....the Dems will be majority in the Congress.
As for Hillary, I smell Bill behind all this. Or as the Rev Fleger stated -- "Maybe she just feels entitled" to the win. In any event, she wants "something" and maybe it's the VP, but I can't see these two getting along under the same roof....who would run the country? Her or him? or Bill? That's what's at issue....if he puts her on the ticket, he has to contend with Bill....
They, the Clintons, still think they have a hold on the DNC and won't let go. It's not about her, it's about keeping the political power and not passing the baton to someone(s) else.

comment #26

Chicago48 says ...

To Bluestater: you miss the point. People are tired of the same o same o, the musical chairs of Clinton-bush-clinton-bush....we want something different & new....I could care less what his policies are because they will surely change once he gets in office and see what's behind the iron curtain (DEFICITS!!!! UNEMPLOYMENT!!!).....but he represents the "color" of this nation, all the colors; did you know that 1/2 the country is "colored" and mixed race? For 2 terms we've lived with an administration that took us overseas and kept us there....let's bring it home and concentrate on domestic policies for once. American are sick of caring for and carrying the outside world while we fall apart....let's bring it home.
Had he been white and his name "Barry Adams" he would have won the nom months ago. But the Clintons feel "entitled" to quote Fleger....and they don't want to be left at the door while the baton is passed to a newer younger generation of politicians.

comment #27

SaveFarris says ...

Had he been white and his name "Barry Adams", he would have been John Edwards.

How'd that work out?

comment #28

Rosebudsthesled says ...

John McCain is Bob Dole. If we Democrats look at it that way, we're OK. Here's to hoping he takes a podium dive sometime very, very soon.

comment #29

D.Z. says ...

EOTW: "In fact, the GOP has to do very little not to nsure a victory in Nov. the fact is that middle of the road Americans who lean towards the more conservative are not going to vote for Obama and never were."

I doubt it. Gas, food, and health care prices will change their minds.

"Of course there are problems, HUGE problems in the GOP, mostly to do with the far right, but people are still gonig to decide on McCain when they get to the voting booth."

No, they're not, because they know less about McCain than Obama, and McCain knows less about the issues than Obama.

"The problem with the two party system right now, the same problem that has been not dealt with for YEARS now, is the fact that BOTH parties are run by the far left and right wings of their respective parties. it leaves independent voters, like myself, disgusted and unwilling to vote for either party, if at all."

I disagree about the far left argument, given that they've pretty much been moderate for the last 20 years to appease the GOP. And independent voters should vote for the party not run by people picked through rich white male affirmative action, plain and simple.

"If they didn't realize this before the race started, it's too late now."

If Bush can win, because he's a guy you'd like to have a beer with, then Obama should easily beat McGrandpa.

Mgmax: "Bents75, in the words of Pauline Kael, "How did Nixon win? Nobody I know voted for him." Just remember, you are not a representative sample of the electorate."

Nixon won, because he promised to end the war; the second time he won, because he pioneered the same dirty tactics used by later Republicans.

blue: "Obama is as naive as they come--like he's going to magically make a "breakthrough" by talking to terrorist-supporting heads-of-state?"

How's he any more naive than Neo-cons who thought they could bring democracy to the Middle East through occupation? Also, Iran has not actually been proven to support terrorism, unlike our allies, the Sauds.

"Like he's going to bring jobs to this country by increasing the capital gains tax by 50%? "

Yep. It works in Europe, and their currency is stronger than the dollar, to boot. Next.

"It'll be a shock if we don't have Israeli-style suicide bombers in our malls and bus stops on a regular basis after an Obama presidency."

And yet you overlook the fact that under Bush's Presidency, the people who blew up the WTC were helped by Jeb.

"Weakness is an invitation, folks, to things that you can't even imagine would ever happen in this country."

If that's the case, then does Israel making a peace treaty with Syria make them a weak country?

"McCain may not have the sex appeal of Obama and may be boring as hell, but he's the only one with any balls, experience, and common sense in this race"

If he had balls, he'd speak out against Iraq the way he spoke out against Lebanon. And if he had experience, he'd know something about the economy. And if he had common sense, then he'd vote for a holiday for Martin Luther King's birthday.

Fien: "Meanwhile, in California yesterday we had a primary election in which voter turnout was under 20 percent in most precincts."

That actually worked in our favor, since Prop. 98 was given the door.

Bob: "But when it comes time to actually do it, to take the FIRST step in these grand heroic goals... they'd rather go with the weaker candidate who makes them feel good about themselves than the stronger candidate they personally dislike."

She's so strong that she voted for an unpopular war, and refused to apologize, and she lied about sniper fire.

'Good lord, people. When Bush pulls that sermon-on-the-mount CRAP liberals are (correctly!!) all over him, but when Barack does it it's "awww, he's so dreamy..."'

Probably because Bush likes to hide behind Jesus, while Obama actually talks to people.

"Oh, and McCain's moment? When he "offhandedly" refered to Obama's victory as an annointment by "party elders and political pundits." Translation: "Psst!! Hey, Blue-collar white moderate-democrats who supported Hillary? You're RIGHT. The nomination was TAKEN from you by the Obama-loving media and old men meeting in smoky party-elder rooms. Wanna stick it to them? I'm right here."'

Too bad McCain doesn't even have their support, since they're more likely to vote Huckabee than him.

comment #30

JapAdapters says ...

"Nothing but ignorant fear mongering right there bluestater. You should get together with Cheney and go bowling sometime."

Or hunting.

comment #31

bluestater says ...

I'm running out for my mani-pedi now and don't have time at the moment to address all you boys who answered my post. However, I just quickly want to clear up a typo/word usage error with respect to "Israeli-type suicide bombings." I meant to say "Israel-type," i.e., the bombings perpetrated on innocent Israeli teenagers, babies, grandmothers, etc. by Palestinian killers. Second, I would not interested in bowling or hunting with Dick Cheney. Tweny years ago, I might have been more interested. I still recall with fondness an appearance Dick made on LKL on CNN back in maybe the late 80s/early 90s. God he was sexy. Virility dripped from his pores. There are no R men that come to mind in recent years who possess his je ne sais quoi from back in the day. Of course, virility and democrat males would be an oxymoron. Oh boy, I've said too much. Don't be too mad at me!! Gotta run. Love y'all!

comment #32

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