comment #1

Dan Revill says ...

Someone drank the kool-aid. HahAhahahahA. Why the he'll am I still up??

comment #2

EDouglas says ...

Yeah, and if Ledger were still alive to make another Batman movie, everyone would say how he was great in "The Dark Knight" but took things too over the top in the new movie...and he wouldn't even be considered for an Oscar for that performance. Journalists are so fucking fickle... and lazy. Cheers to the 10 critics who gave Dark Knight a negative review, who were able to put aside all the hyperbole and fanboy gushing to find the movies' faults, which I'm sure will come out when anyone sees the movie more than once. (Batman Begins was great the first time I saw it but you see it now, and it's pretty silly)

comment #3

EOTW says ...

Kind of an Obama moment? You mean in the sense that, in the real world, the same thing would've happened like in the film because people are that goshdarn good to one another? Because all goodness in the world radiates from the miracle of Obama? Sorry Aladdin, but yes, Wells has drunk the kool-aid. Still, I'm impressed you dug it at all.

Wow, what is going to happen when Wells and the other bleeding lefties find out that Obama is just another political animal and, even worse, just a man and not the saviour to "melt over (Wells' words, not mine)?"

Back to the movie at hands, folks!

comment #4

Entropy says ...

"...and start practicing my Ledger/Joker voice so I can perform it at parties. "

Somewhere in West Hollywood. Oscar Party 2009.

Medium Size Producer: Hey, is that that movie blogger guy Jim Wells or something?

Medium Size Actress: Jeffrey. Yeah, it is.

Medium Size Producer: I've run into him at 3 parties since Christmas and he always does this creepy Joker/Ledger impression.

Medium Size Actress: Is he any good?

Medium Size Producer: Nah, not really. But people just indulge him for the duration and pray he goes to the 3 bean dip table fast.

Medium Size Actress: How creepy is it?

Medium Size Producer: Voice is all wrong. But he licks his face with his tongue a lot. He thinks the chix dig it but it really just plays like what they are used to in producer's offices everyday.

Medium Size Actress: Shit. He's coming our way. I pray to Gaia he didn't see any photos of me naked on the net.

Medium Size Producer: Nah. Most of us refuse the request now.

Wells saunters up to the duo licking his face with his tongue and running his hands through his greasy, unwashed pink hair.

Wells: Hiiiiiii.

Medium Size Producer: Hey Jeff. Didn't the Joker have greenish hair?

Wells: Had a problem with the Clairol. Wanna see my disappearing pencil trick?

Wells licks his face profusely through the whole proceeding.

Medium Size Actress: I think I'm gonna throw up.

comment #5

JohnnyCanuck says ...

A very fresh take on the movie Jeff considering that I really thought you were looking for a way to 'Lord of the Rings' this one. Your comments are very similar to the one my friends and I had while discussing the movie after the final credits. As fans, we were very taken by the the number of times Nolan was able to twist us since we thought we pretty much had the lay of the land from all the media we had taken in before hand.

Ledger's Joker was truly terrifying. It was nice to see that rare movie occasion - a villain who is a real threat, who actually might win. Ledger should also be lauded for making the comic moments work so well also - for example the scenes leaving Gotham General Hospital.

What was your take on the WATCHMEN trailer? AS a fan I was completely satisfied. I would have to say last night was one of my top 3 movie going experiences ever. Right up there with seeing Star Wars when I was 3, seeing Superman fly on screen, and then this. Geeky yes...but what can ya do?

comment #6

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Didn't see the movie yet, now did you, EDouglas? Based on your comment, I'm skeptical you even saw Batman Begins.

Pretty silly? The second half might not have been anything new, but how you can rewatch that thing and call the first hour "pretty silly" is beyond me. I guess raising serious moral and ethical questions, arguably more pressing now than ever, is out of the question in a big summer blockbuster.

See you at Space Chimps this weekend?

comment #7

Ray says ...

The haters and bitchers can cynically cry about how the praise for Ledger's performance is being given due to his untimely death ... but they are all missing the bigger picture that Jeff nails right here - this is one of the greatest screen villains ever put onscreen.

Period.

Heath managed to convey the horrifying dizziness of a person who isn't afraid to die, or drag others to their deaths while awaiting his own. It is a freakish, brave, and demented work of art. I ate it up, and so did everyone with whom I saw the flick.

Sometimes it's fun to be the counter-opinion bastard while everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon, but in this case, it's a losing battle. Heath is brilliant in this film, and a hell of a way to leave a legacy.

comment #8

EOTW says ...

Ok, I just thought of this, but for me, the only real hole in the logic of the film was when batman goes to China to grab the bad guy. He attacks that building in his Batman costume and then they get hooked into the plane and he is still dressed as Batman. So, did he stay in the suit the whole 20 hour flight back home? And did he dress as Batman the whole time he was on the plane so the Korean smugglers couldn't discern his true identity? Just a wondering.

comment #9

Count Thread says ...

Jeff reminds me of the immortal words of one Admiral Ackbar-- IT'S A TRAP!

We all know Jeff is going to reconsider his opinion on 8 hours of sleep. In 72 hours, he'll be bashing the movie while still praising Ledger. In six weeks, he'll have sought every negative review he could find. By the time Oscar rolls around, Jeff will have long since pronounced Ledger "over", and be championing some random and obscure nobody in a film no one will ever see.

I'd bet Danny Z.'s life on this. And I'll even add $5, just to make it worthwhile.

comment #10

EOTW says ...

what I loved about Ledger's performance was the way it quashed all the naysayers who freaked when his casting was first announced, who wanted Sean Penn (yeah, that woulda worked SO well!), Adrian Brody, Crispin Glover, etc. for the role. Even if he had lived, people would've flipped and, yes, he'd be HUGE, maybe even a $20 million dollar star this morning.

comment #11

EOTW says ...

Count Thread, agreed. But, he might not. I think he still thinks the first film holds up (which it does). Also, I think this film can EASILY be put into that rare class of films (sequels that outdo the prior entry a la ALIENS, T2, Godfather 2 (for some of us)). Rare company indeed!

comment #12

Zimmergirl says ...

Funny, Entropy.

Aliens outdo Alien? I don't think so, pal. Maybe T2. Maybe. And not even really.

comment #13

Sweetbubba says ...

>Now and forever he'll stand stand side by side with Robert Mitchum's Night of the Hunter preacher, Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal Lecter, Victory Jory in The Fugitive Kind Robert Walker's Bruno Antony in Strangers on a Train, Tony Perkins' Norman Bates...who else?

Jack Nicholson in the Shining? Malcolm McDowell in Clockwork Orange? Robert DeNiro in Cape Fear? Joe Pesci in Goodfellas?

comment #14

lipranzer says ...

You'll sometimes see reviewers call a character "pure Id" - I admit I've done that myself. Ledger's performance is the closest to pure Id I've ever seen.

Oh, and when Nolan said Michael Mann's HEAT was one of his models, he wasn't kidding - not just the bank robbery at the beginning, but also the extremely clever casting of the bank manager.

comment #15

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

I see your Cape Fear and raise you Mitchum in the original (a bit redundant, maybe, with NotH on the list, but great is great). See your DeNiro and raise you Taxi Driver.

comment #16

bill weber says ...

Travis Bickle is not a villain, he's an antihero.

comment #17

EOTW says ...

So villans don't try to shoot presidents? Tell that to JFK.

comment #18

StanGrossman says ...

umm. ok we all knew what the shot was on Dark Knight. But where's your take on Step Brothers? I hear it's a big nut encrusted piece of shit....

comment #19

Count Thread says ...

Aliens definitely improved on the original by doing something *very different* than the original.

The first movie is a haunted house in space, with a monster. The second movie is a war movie in space, with monsters. Both are outstanding movies in their own right, because neither attempted to be the same as each other.

T2 is the same way-- make Arnold another evil cyborg, and it's a routine sequel. Upend the dynamic, change all that we know, and it becomes brilliant in its own right.

I think it's no mistake that both movies were directed by James Cameron. I think Aliens is just about a perfect film, still compulsively watchable. But T2 is perhaps even more impressive for how it looks and feels so very different than the first movie, so much so that you could be forgiven for thinking they were two different directors. That, and Cameron captured lightning in a bottle-- Arnold was just on the verge of becoming absolutely larger than life, and T2 was the best role he's ever gotten.

FYI, I just watched T2 on AMC a few weeks back. My GF had never seen it (how the hell could she have missed it?), and she doesn't even like action/sci-fi movies all that much, but she was very impressed. So was I, when you realize that film was made in *1991* and still holds up.

Anyway, looking forward to The Dark Knight. I really enjoyed Batman Begins mostly because it felt very "real." The fact that Nolan went even further in that direction with this one excites me. This is Nolan's breakout film to be sure (no, it won't break $500 million, but it'll fly past $300 million. Again, it's all lightning in a bottle-- great director, great cast, great actor, great movie, all at the perfect time).

comment #20

p.Vice says ...

Count Thread -- I actually think that we won't see the famous Wells flip-flop on this one. Jeff needs to brush up on his fellatio skills to get back on the Warner Bros. screening list, and this sure looks like he's ready to swallow.

Furthermore, Jeff, the excuse that just about all action movies in the last ten years are more or less visually confusing isn't an excuse to pass Nolan's incompetancy as a filmmaker. That's the kind of apologist mush that you pretend to have no tolerance for.

comment #21

actionman says ...

I will never understand the whole confusing action scenes criticism that so many people bitch about when reviewing just about any new action film.

i just don't get it.

comment #22

K. Bowen says ...

The Obama moment? No no no, Harvey Dent is Obama, the birght shiny hero that we want. Batman is George W. Bush, the dark knight that we unfortunately might need.

comment #23

Markus R. Ponto says ...

Why all this hate for Jeff?

You people always demand an instant reaction, when he attended a screening.
Do you never had that kind of flip-flopping feelings about a film? First pumped up by adrenaline, the crowd or just being in "the mood" - and when you later give a second thought you almost feel ashamed about your initial reaction? Jeff has always been (painfully) earnest on this site and this is why is still read him since Mr.Showbiz days.

comment #24

K. Bowen says ...

I thought the action scenes were difficult to follow and poorly staged in Begins. For whatever reason, they seemed mainly fine this time around. To me, this complaint is one film behind.

As to sequels, I think the wisdom that sequels are usually worse than t he original came from critics who quickly got tired of them when they first appeared. True, many of them are just cash grabs. But there are too many series where the second film is arguably or definitely the best - Empire, Kahn, Terminator, Godfather, Aliens, now The Dark Knight.

If you're looking for DK's influences, Heat is one, but I think the original Dirty Harry is another.

comment #25

berg says ...

where's the love for A Eckhart, his character actually had an arc and was what made the last hour interesting

comment #26

Mark says ...

best villain? growing up, i was much more scared of Zapka's Johnny Lawrence than Darth Vader, (7's) John Doe, and Mr. Blonde combined.

comment #27

K. Bowen says ...

"where's the love for A Eckhart, his character actually had an arc and was what made the last hour interesting"

ditto.

comment #28

Mark says ...

Yeah, thank god Aaron Eckhart came to the rescue and inserted his smart arc into the script. Sorry, no need to be snippy, but i don't see a lot of love for Nolan in this thread either.

comment #29

George Prager says ...

I fuckin' love it when characters have arcs.

comment #30

Count Thread says ...

I only pick on Wells because he deserves it. And after years of watching his pattern, I figured I'd preempt it.

Skeptical about movie.
Raves come out-- looks for doubters.
Goes to movie, convinced beyond belief, loves it!
Sleeps it off, doubts creep back in.
Weeks later, starts bashing film.
Months later, his affection is airbrushed from history like Stalin wiping Trotsky.

Of course, Wells will come back and repeat his tired argument about "my opinions change, if yours never do you're a naive douchebag, etc." Actually, normal people's opinions change all the time-- it's just that normal people have opinions that occasionally go *up*, while I hardly ever (*if* ever) see Wells reconsider a film in a positive light.

It's his right, of course-- it's his blog, it's his career.

But it's a pattern.

comment #31

George Prager says ...

"umm. ok we all knew what the shot was on Dark Knight. But where's your take on Step Brothers? I hear it's a big nut encrusted piece of shit...."

I heard that Mary Steenburgen's character has a real kick-ass arc.

comment #32

George Prager says ...

"It's his right, of course-- it's his blog, it's his career.

But it's a pattern."

It's not a pattern, it's his arc.

comment #33

Admiral82 says ...

Don't be a prisoner of the moment.

comment #34

iamwhoiam says ...

It's a great movie, and Ledger, dead or not, deserves all the praises. Doesn't mean that i'm going to see it again. Watching Christian Bale two facial-expressions performance again and again, is painful. I'll never understand how this guy is considered a good actor. I didn't see such one-dimension actor in a long time.

comment #35

Mjs says ...

God, there are a lot of negative little bitches around here. And people like P.Vice and Edouglas just have no reason to live, really. Apparently you can only be honest if you say you hate this movie, that last time I checked 94% of the critics on Rotten T's were praising.

It's obvious you guys hate movies, and believe it makes you cool to hate any popular movie. It doesn't. It just makes you arrogant and annoying.

comment #36

T. S. Idiot says ...

Mitchum in Cape Fear is the most terrifying villain in any mainstream non-horror Hollywood movie. He's scary in Night of the Hunter but a bit comic at times. His Max Cady is pure evil, even just walking across a room.

comment #37

gruver1 says ...

Wells to Compulsively Snipping Neghead Bitches: It is a distinction, not a flaw, that I have the journalistic and columnistic character to cop to a change of heart on a film when and If the air changes and unexpected grass pushes through the sod. It happens, bitches, to everyone. Not that often historically (maybe five or six or seven times over the last 10 years) but every so often it happens. And saying this isn't a lame rationale, as some dickhead on this thread pointed out -- it's an inescapable acknowledgment of human nature and the natural evolution and progression of any open mind. You only feel, believe and know what you feel, know, and believe at any given point in the train trip. It is the right and perogative of every little nip-nip pisshead out there to say this never happens to anyone except me, but those of you who say this over and over are repeating a very tired and inaccurate dead horse. I don't lie. I'll fellate from time to time, yes, but out of real passion, not economic want. I know what I know when I know it.

comment #38

EOTW says ...

Just got off the phone with my brother, who lives in NY and just got out of a screening. He loved it, thoguht it might be the best crime movie ever. I don't agree with that, but I do love the film. Here is what I am currently thinking: Is anyone else wondering how the hell they're gonig to do a 3rd flick.

At the endof this film, Batman is the villan, on the run and hunted. Now, let's just look at who is left in the Batman villan canon. Yes, there are other villans that can be the center of the third flick, but be honest, are any of them, no matter WHO plays them, going to loom as large as the Joker did in this film?

I propose that ledger is SO GOOD in this film, that he really is the spirit of the film, that he can't be topped. Simply might not be possible. Nolan might very well have "shot his load" with this pic in that it might all be downhill from here. I just wonder where they can go, who they can get to even begin to equal what they did in this flick.

Yes, I know this film just came out, but it's gonna be VERY huge, and a third one is eventual, of course.

These films are such a highwire, juggling without a net act. Kudos to all involved. Nolan gambled and bottled lightening, I just don't know how he can top this thing. Ever.

comment #39

The InSneider says ...

My spoileriffic review is up now at www.theinsneider.blogspot.com. Don't miss it!

comment #40

Chase Kahn says ...

entropy's bold proclamation that THE DARK KNIGHT "wouldn't break $250 million domestically" just got even more absurd.

Several sites are reporting over $17+ million on midnight shows alone, breaking the all-time record. The source said it was, "$17 million and counting", so it will likely end up being around $20. That sets up easily for a $50+ million dollar Friday opening...

comment #41

EOTW says ...

EOTW to Wells: Man, I think that people don't mean when you change your opinion regarding a film from years ago, but one just recently seen. For instance, I grew up loving the SRAE WARS films. I was a little 5 year old when I saw the first one and they were perfect to me. Sitting in theater in 1997, watching the first Special Edition, I suddenly realized what shit it was. It changed me completely on Lucas and those flicks (EMPIRE remains a classic forver, though). That kind of flipping is ok.

But to see INDIANA JONES ( I didn't see the 4th one yet) and to say it was a good, decent actioner and nothing more and then to go back and dis it, kinda smacks of something untowards. Usually, if I see a movie and it is flawed or bad in anyway, I don't need a 2nd viewing to discern that. Some do, I don't. That kind flipping is suspect to most of us, I can say.

comment #42

Dan Revill says ...

My friends and I were discussing the same thing EOTW - it seems to me that unless you let the Joker loose - which I don't think one should do until a later film (if Bale chooses to do more after his contract for 3 runs out) - you may just have to create someone new. Or you take a small time villain and re-imagine him while staying true to who he is. I don't believe you use anyone like The Riddler or Mad Hatter. Difficult to say. If Nolan has indeed blown his load, well, it's a helluva way to do it. I am glad I'm around to see it. Haha.

comment #43

supertaster says ...

Wells, I don't really get why people are jumping on you for liking this movie, but why do you allow yourself a second or even third emotional pass at movies, but not when it comes to anything social, political, economic, environmental, etc??? Once your mind is made up or you've experienced one thing, that's it, you're like a pitbull--jaw locked, unbending, deaf to persuasion.

I wrote this in the Brolin thread, but it's just as appropriate here...

You wax poetically about enlightenment and karma and good vibrations...you embrace art and spiritual harmony and enlightenment but harbor and foster these unwavering, dug-in generalizations that show a complete lack of perspective and self-reflection. There's nothing enlightened about your attitudes. You live without empathy in a world of absolutes; the way you see it is the way "it is". At the very least, you fail to let on that you are capable of periodically reflecting upon and auditing your opinions and emotions...and in that sense you are no different than the ignorant rubes and rednecks you so despise.

comment #44

EOTW says ...

Aladdin, how do you let the Joker lose without Ledger? Sorry, but I know what you mean and I get it, but I just think that the load is blown, baby. The Joker has ALWAYS been Batman's ultimate enemy and this movie just confirms that. Can Nolan take, say, Penguin and turn him into a new vision? I guess so, and maybe ONLY Nolan is the one to do it. Yes, this is easily his most advanced work to date but I am more curious about the prospects of the third film than i have EVER been regarding a sequel. Imagine if the second MATRIX had worked at all. Thant's how big the success (artistic, not commerical) of this picture is.

comment #45

EOTW says ...

EOTW to supertaster: That Brolin post, Wells saying it's ok to beat up "rednecks" was a low point of this site. It made me honestly wonder if there is anything good to be had here outside Wells' views on movies, which is the only reaso nto come here. Yes, he is bigoted to anyone not living in LA or NYC or France and that is sad beyond words. But he's not alone in his prejudices.

Yes, I am more conservative than most on here, but I know and see good in LOTS of kinds of people, be they libs, hippies, GOPs or Muslim or gay or whatever. Good and bad all around, BUT, according to Wells, if you live in Flyoverland, you don't count. Yeah, it'll take a THOUSAND Mouses to mlt that cold, cold heart.

OK back to the topic at hand. Movies are the best thing abou this site.

comment #46

Chase Kahn says ...

Yeah, I really don't know where a third film would go. Nolan already said he doesn't think THE PENGUIN would work in his films and the idea of THE RIDDLER just seems insignificant after THE JOKER. I guess you could do a three-way of spare Batman villains like FIREFLY or MAD HATTER or HARLEY QUINN or something, but I don't think that would fire anybody up.

comment #47

EOTW says ...

Chase, has the multiple villan thing ever worked? Would you say it worked in SPIDEY 3? I don't know. The interesting thing about having BOTH Joker and 2 Face in this flick is that complimented each other and had the right amount of screen time to be equal in their intent (though, yes, the Joker overshadows everything - the "holy spirit" of the piece). The film could've worked without Dent becoming 2 Face at all (or show it, but save it for the 3rd flick), i think. that is why I wonder if thye really did "blow the load" because 2 Face might've worked in a 3rd movie. But, now, you can't use him, or, obviously, Joker. So, it's back to the drawing board and it'll take an even BETTER script for the next flick.

comment #48

Rich S. says ...

By the way, guys, thanks for all those spoiler alerts. While I'm not a slavish spoiler fanatic, I don't want to hear anyone complaining in the future when Jeffrey does it.

comment #49

EOTW says ...

Rich, I'd nomrally agree with you, but this, even if it isn't clearly stated (is it ever on this site?), would appear to be the talkback thread. I generally avoid reding any threads of new films i want to see on this site as a rule. Folks should do likewise. Makes for more happy all around.

comment #50

Cory says ...

There's two routes you could go for a third Batman film...either The Riddler, in the vain of Fincher's Zodiac (which would be more Batman detective work) or Black Mask, considering he's the exact opposite of Bruce Wayne.

Either way, thematically, it's pretty clear where the final film goes. It'll be about redemption for the symbol of Batman, for Bruce himself, and the people of Gotham.

comment #51

George Prager says ...

"EOTW to supertaster: That Brolin post, Wells saying it's ok to beat up "rednecks" was a low point of this site. It made me honestly wonder if there is anything good to be had here outside Wells' views on movies, which is the only reaso nto come here. Yes, he is bigoted to anyone not living in LA or NYC or France and that is sad beyond words. But he's not alone in his prejudices."

EOTW says ...

She has hairy Jew arms. Nuff said.

Posted by EOTW at July 14, 2008 05:22

comment #52

Entropy says ...

If they really want to push the dark/horror elements they should go with Kirk Langstrom as Man-Bat. Bob Kane gave an interview in the nineties saying he wanted a Batman film with Man-Bat and Scarecrow as the main villains but knew it would push the horror R rating so understood why Warner's passed.

Nolan obviously has dealt with Scarecrow so why not Langstrom? It would be a challenge to keep the character reality based but perhaps if conceived along the lines of Nicholson in Wolf, it could work.

comment #53

Count Thread says ...

Like clockwork.

Sincerely,
Dickhead

comment #54

EOTW says ...

Wow, way to kill the thread, George. My wife (yes, she's a Jew, too) coined "hairy jew arms" on our first date. Somehow, she escaped the curse of her family. Does that make me a self hating Jew or a Jew who just hates that part? Wow.

PS: A friend on this forum has the theory that GP is really Wells.

comment #55

Balthazar says ...

I'm old, but for me this remains the most absolutely perfect 5-6 minute sequence in the history of modern movie superheroes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U83YzCXI22U

(too bad the rest of the film was slightly uneven)

comment #56

Stephe96 says ...

Some other sites are suggesting that the direction of the 3rd film may be hinted at in a line of dialog between Wayne and Lucius Fox; the one where Bruce asks if the new suit will protect him from dogs and Fox replies, No, but "maybe from a cat." (Something along those lines).

Thoughts?

comment #57

Dan Revill says ...

Stehe96, I caught that too. I told my friends that I thought there'd be a good chance that its a tip...although in this universe I see Catwoman being more of an antihero and not an outright villain - ie someone who does what she does for the thrills (and to an extent her causes). I don't think she'd be enough to be the third film's main villain - but Bruce certainly does need a new love interest.

comment #58

Balthazar says ...

I'd like to see a brand-new 2008 take on The Riddler.

comment #59

Balthazar says ...

I'd like to see a brand-new 2008 take on The Riddler.

comment #60

EOTW says ...

Is Jolie free in 2010?

comment #61

George Prager says ...

EOTW, the Jewish Redneck: highly doubtful that your wife was the first to coin the term "hairy Jew arms." But since you tell us that you live in (sniff) "flyover country" (where Jews have their shivas catered by Schlotzsky's) it is probable that you haven't heard the term before.

comment #62

bildeaux says ...

Actually guys and gals I bet it will be the Riddler as they set that character up in the Dark Knight.

It's the guy they spent a strange amount of time on that figured out who batman really was.

That's my guess. If they go that route it would be cool because the riddler doesn't have to be all show boaty, it's his traps and mind games that could be very interesting...

comment #63

dkaye says ...

It's tough to see where the 3rd film could go, but there are a few possibilities. The problem is that the villains get more and more fanciful in the comics and would need serious reinvention to keep true to the tone Nolan has set.

There were rumors early on that Black Mask would show up in The Dark Knight, so maybe the Nolans still have him on their radar. He would be a good fit in that he's a master criminal and freak but still "realistic." Characters like Mad Hatter, Man-Bat, Clayface, and so on would be too far gone.

There were also rumors about re-imagining the Penguin as an arms dealer (several sites said Philip Seymour Hoffman was considered for it), which could be interesting. Likewise the Riddler could be some sort of computer genius who gets his hands on Batman's surveillance equipment. And of course Catwoman would add the romantic angle. Scarecrow could also break out of Arkham and play a part in a third film.

And by the way (here's a spoiler), for some reason, I wasn't exactly sure that Harvey was finished at the end of TDK. Anyone else get that impression?

comment #64

StoneFan1 says ...

I thought Harvey was dead and the Scarecrow
is out of Arkham, right? Or was he arrested in
that opening scene? I thought the guy dressed up
as Batman who was with Scarecrow was the
same guy who the Joker filmed on camera later
on, right? Which would lead you to think they
weren't arrested in the begining, so Scarecrow
is still out there!

comment #65

D.Z. says ...

"Are the action sequences confusing? Uhh, yeah...they are. Like all action scenes these days."

I actually wasn't as lost by the action sequences as I was by the details of that money-laundering plot. Batman's not action-oriented, anyway, so it's not really a big deal. As for Ledger, I honestly wonder why he was in the movie, when his character's just an envoy most of the time. He's not awful, and actually did a decent job, but there's no real motivation for his character, other than to stir the pot. For a role hyped as being Oscar-bait, they could have given him more to chew on than a random anarchist.

"I was keeping up for a while there with the Knight fights, and then I would fall behind and after a while I just said "fuck it." But I really quite liked the way the Joker's social experiment with the two ferry boats worked out. To me, that was the movie's beating-heart payoff."

I would have liked it more, if I couldn't predict how it ended.

Johnny: "Ledger should also be lauded for making the comic moments work so well also - for example the scenes leaving Gotham General Hospital."

I would have liked that scene more, if the explosion didn't make me think of a Michael Bay movie.

comment #66

K. Bowen says ...

What films do you like, D..Z.?

comment #67

D.Z. says ...

Bowen: Well, I liked Batman Begins more than this, I can tell you that.

comment #68

Savant says ...

In order for them to top Ledger in a third film Nolan needs to find a villain that Daniel Day-Lewis play, its just that simple.

comment #69

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