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"Two nights ago, Fox News aired the first of two presidential candidate documentaries called 'Character and Conduct.' First up [was] Barack Obama, whose documentary pretends really hard that it's not full of stereotypes and insinuations. Couldn't stomach it Monday evening? We've got it for you in a minute." -- from a video-piece introduction by the 23/6 guys, posted today. [Thanks to Jett, who linked to this today in one of his first postings for The Beef.]
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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on August 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM
comment #1
shepherd12345 says ...
jeff, is jett named after jett rink?
Posted by shepherd12345 at August 20, 2008 2:08 PM
comment #2
kidkosmic says ...
Of course, all this sh*t is made up. Obama is as clean (I didn't say 'clean and articulate') as the wind driven snow. A new kind of pol--one who never accepted favors, made back room deals, made politically expedient decisions, or put his own interests ahead of others.
Posted by kidkosmic at August 20, 2008 2:13 PM
comment #3
storymark says ...
Except that's not what they were going on about, kid. Instead, they'll push the race, name, and guilt-by-association trips.
But hey, if you have something about back-room deals, or I don't know, anyting of actual substance to go after him on, please share.
Posted by storymark at August 20, 2008 2:23 PM
comment #4
George Prager says ...
I'm sure Fox hasn't brought up
John McCain's other family:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-divorce11-2008jul11,0,6546861.story
or Cindy McCain's other family:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93708729
or how McCain's mom sued the first wife to get back some knick knacks:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/mccains-mother-sued-his-f_n_119548.html
Posted by George Prager at August 20, 2008 2:29 PM
comment #5
Jack Price says ...
I need to ask an honest question, and in no way do I intend for this to come across as rhetorical or sardonic:
Where do you get your news from these days?
I've all but given up completely on broadcast journalism at this point, yet every once in a while I'll hear a fairly intelligent and reasonable viewpoint on this site. Whatever your political leanings, I just want to find anything that remotely resembles comprehensive reporting and isn't catering to a single ideology at the cost of cognitive dissonance.
Posted by Jack Price at August 20, 2008 2:31 PM
comment #6
gruver1 says ...
Wells to shepherd12345: Yes, that's right -- the inspiration was Jett Rink. It was suggested to me by publicist Bruce Feldman, and the instant he said it, I went "yes....that's it!"
Posted by gruver1 at August 20, 2008 2:35 PM
comment #7
Richardson says ...
"I just want to find anything that remotely resembles comprehensive reporting and isn't catering to a single ideology at the cost of cognitive dissonance."
Hope you have a lot of time, because your choices are in-depth reporting from a single point of view, which *might* dig up some truths along the way, or bland playing it safe middle of the road sanitized news. So the best bet, I find, is to read a lot of places and form your own opinions and conclusions.
Luckily, I work in an office, so I can spend massive amounts of time on-line. I think the "truth" of the moment is more in the partisan vitriol, as long as you look at both sides'.
Posted by Richardson at August 20, 2008 2:50 PM
comment #8
Yves says ...
Sorry Jack, but I can't help being snarky: I get it from the Internet. But seriously, I don't think there is any one site to get the news from, however, google trends gives a good picture of what's hot.
Posted by Yves at August 20, 2008 2:56 PM
comment #9
Chapman Carruthers says ...
JP,
Do you have an Ipod? If so, go to Itunes, open the podcast center and subscribe to news reports from Democracy Now, BBC Global News, Bill Moyers. and anything from NPR. The amount of content is staggering, annd after a week of listening to different podcasts and determining what you like, you shouldn't have a problem narrowing the list of favorites down to a select three or four that you really like.
Posted by Chapman Carruthers at August 20, 2008 3:11 PM
comment #10
SaveFarris says ...
kidkosmic wins the Comedy Post of the Year Award. Either that or he's never heard of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (Which, to be fair, not many people have. The press has been unsurprisingly incurious on the subject.)
And for the record, McCain isn't clean and pure as the wind driven snow either.
Posted by SaveFarris at August 20, 2008 4:06 PM
comment #11
Walter Sobchak says ...
Wow. If that's what liberals get of Fox News, (cutesy, snipped-together montages) then no wonder they think it's non-stop crazy ass right wing...
Oh yeah.... MSNBC just replaced Dan Abrahms with Air America's Rachel Maddow to go back to back with K. Olbermann... THAT'S how you do "fair and balanced"...
Posted by Walter Sobchak at August 20, 2008 4:08 PM
comment #12
kidkosmic says ...
storymark: Google "Rezko"
Posted by kidkosmic at August 20, 2008 4:11 PM
comment #13
BurmaShave says ...
Walter, as has been explained before, MSNBC political hosts make no pretense of objectivity, whereas Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity call themselves journalists and indeed brandish the "Fair & Balanced" motto.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 20, 2008 6:22 PM
comment #14
Walter Sobchak says ...
Burmashave.... are you high? The Fox News Network logo is "Fair and Balanced", that's all... (one can even assume that it means "balanced" vs. other networks)... and recent studies by non-partisan and even liberal sources have found that when it comes to NEWS... (get it? News? As opposed to commentary? There really is a difference, I promise), Fox is far more balanced than many give it credit for... again, when it comes to NEWS... (just ask Hillary Clinton)...
Bill O'Reilly, (conservative populist, not Republican), and Sean Hannity (right-wing conservative) never pretend to be non-partisan... they aren't journalists they are COMMENTATORS and analysts... (how many freaking times do we have to point that out).... Sean Hannity comes on his radio show and his television show and says "I'm Sean Hannity and I'm a conservative"....
Olbermann STILL publicly claims to not have a strong political bias.. (he often rather weakly points to negative things he reported about Bill Clinton ten years ago as proof, that is, before he felated him on his show last year)...
Finally, O'Rielly and Hannity's shows are packed with guests from the opposite political spectrum, (yeah, I know, O'Reilly bullies them and shouts them down, right, but at least they're on) and Hannity as a freaking co-host who is liberal.... who are Maddow's or Olbermann's co-hosts? Olbermann is too big of a pussy to have anyone on his show that disagrees with him...
Please, Burmashave... you may be wrong on a lot of things but you aren't stupid
Posted by Walter Sobchak at August 20, 2008 8:00 PM
comment #15
Yves says ...
I'd say that Hannity plays the liberal. Fox News and related news shows are entertainment, with just as much truth to them as Rice-a-Roni being a San Francisco treat.
Posted by Yves at August 21, 2008 7:53 AM
comment #16
George Prager says ...
It's going to be weird when Rachel Maddow takes to the air today on MSNBC and hoodwinks the nation into thinking she's a conservative. That Jack Welch is a devious motherfucker!
Posted by George Prager at August 21, 2008 8:44 AM
comment #17
D.Z. says ...
Walter: If they're so balanced, why did they call a Republican who hit on someone in a bathroom a Democrat?
Posted by D.Z. at August 21, 2008 12:45 PM
comment #18
George Prager says ...
LEFT SHIT IS THE BEST SHIT
RACHEL MADDOW OWNS YOUR ASS
RECOGNIZE
BE A MAN
Posted by George Prager at August 21, 2008 12:47 PM
comment #19
SpinDozer says ...
'I just want to find anything that remotely resembles comprehensive reporting and isn't catering to a single ideology at the cost of cognitive dissonance.'
Al Jazeera is excellent. Asia Times ain't bad neither.
Posted by SpinDozer at August 21, 2008 4:40 PM
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