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Int'l Che Trailer
Rope of Silicon's Brad Brevet calls this international trailer for Steven Soderbergh's Che: El Argentino a "high quality" thing...really? It looks muddy to me. It doesn't even look decent. What's the deal with the materials on this film, Wild Bunch? Trying to shave costs?
Please take notice of the train-going-off-the-track shot. It's a quick one, but it's not CGI -- it's a real, full-sized train really going off the rails. I asked Soderbergh at the Che press conference in Cannes if this is the first train-wipeout shot using verite footage since John Frankenheimer's The Train ('64). Whatever the truth, he didn't want to get into it. He went "no, no, no, no...I don't know."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on August 24, 2008 at 8:16 PM
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Chase Kahn says ...
That trailer isn't even "decent", I've seen better pulled from a phone...
I can't wait to see it, by the way...no matter how it's cut or distributed...
Posted by Chase Kahn at August 24, 2008 8:40 PM
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bagelfilm says ...
I am sick of those fade ito black- fade in/out stylistics in trailers.
Posted by bagelfilm at August 24, 2008 9:40 PM
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Mgmax says ...
I buy the epic scale thing but...
not sure about a trailer that starts with a guy making a speech...
and overall, I'm sure getting a simplistic-glorification vibe here. All it lacks is a black kid from the slums who he teaches to be a writer, or maybe all the prisoners clapping for him. Is this really Mr. Guevara's Opus like they're making it look, or is there some Godfather-level (or even Reds-level) complexity and ambiguity to the portrait, even if generally favorable (which I wouldn't agree with but at least could find dramatically worthwhile).
Posted by Mgmax at August 24, 2008 9:48 PM
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BurmaShave says ...
Isn't this the bootleg that's been online for awhile?
Posted by BurmaShave at August 24, 2008 10:15 PM
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O.G. says ...
Was a full size train crashed into a bus for The Fugitive? It's been a while since I watched the specials on the DVD.
Posted by O.G. at August 24, 2008 11:45 PM
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diesel says ...
"Whatever the truth, he didn't want to get into it. He went "no, no, no, no...I don't know.""
no, no, no, no. Hehe, funny response.
Posted by diesel at August 24, 2008 11:59 PM
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VictorLazlo says ...
I think we need to remember that The Argentine represents the pride before the fall. This is about Che's one big victory.
I think this looks fucking amazing, getting a real BATTLE OF ALGIERS vibe.
Posted by VictorLazlo at August 25, 2008 4:35 AM
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VictorLazlo says ...
Oh and to save everyone some time:
"CHE I EVIL, EVIIIIIILLLL!"
"Liberals are dumb for worshipping a man who PERSONALLY HAD PEOPLE KILLED...GASP!!!"
"Did I mention CHE is evil?"
"oh and so is Castro."
Does that cover it?
Posted by VictorLazlo at August 25, 2008 4:39 AM
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actionman says ...
The quality is piss-poor; Wild Bunch (or whoever) should be ashamed of themselves. And Soderbergh should be complaining.
The film, however, looks fucking incredible. The train flip is mucho impressive. Del Toro looks like he's on fire.
Posted by actionman at August 25, 2008 5:03 AM
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Mgmax says ...
Thank you, Victor, for making an intelligent discussion of the film less possible.
Posted by Mgmax at August 25, 2008 6:31 AM
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Pelham123 says ...
Well, now I'm intrigued after hearing all the bad talk about it. It definitely has an epic feel like "The Godfather" or "Reds" and maybe a touch of "The Leopard", too. I do want to see it and hope it's good and hope it gives both sides of the aisle something really to sink our teeth into. As a dedicated Soderbergh fan I'm going to see this no matter what, so I'm easily sold.
Posted by Pelham123 at August 25, 2008 8:46 AM
comment #12
VictorLazlo says ...
MGMAX: I didn't actually aim that post at you. I'm all for discussing the film (especially after I've seen it), but you have to admit that Che post comments sound like broken records.
Posted by VictorLazlo at August 25, 2008 9:23 AM
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C-PhreekII says ...
O.G. Considering it was a multi-Oscar nominee, I'm surprised Wells forgot about the full size train crash in The Fugitive.
VictorLazloThank you for that first chuckle of the morning (with the assist from Mgmax), who was just pissed that you stole his usual, strident thunder.
Posted by C-PhreekII at August 25, 2008 9:29 AM
comment #14
C-PhreekII says ...
Was anyone else waiting for the interstitial title A Film By Billy Walsh and the film to be Medellin instead?
Posted by C-PhreekII at August 25, 2008 9:49 AM
comment #15
Mgmax says ...
Yeah, C-Phreek, your psychoanalysis totally nailed it. I'm just sitting here boiling, waiting for O'Reilly to come on and issue me my talking points for the day.
(yawn)
Posted by Mgmax at August 25, 2008 10:35 AM
comment #16
C-PhreekII says ...
Yawn Fail
Mgmax - in order to sell that, you pretty much were limited to doing nothing. But unable to help yourself, you have become as easily tauntable as D.Z. Instead of Tarantino, you have your own little triggers.
Posted by C-PhreekII at August 25, 2008 10:50 AM
comment #17
Mgmax says ...
"But unable to help yourself, you have become as easily tauntable as D.Z."
At least Mgmax isn't taunting the Soviets by funding the Taliban.
Posted by Mgmax at August 25, 2008 10:54 AM
comment #18
C-PhreekII says ...
Double Fail.
Want to go for triple Jeopardy, where the scores can really change?!
Posted by C-PhreekII at August 25, 2008 11:07 AM
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Mgmax says ...
"Want to go for triple Jeopardy, where the scores can really change?!"
I once had sex with Alex Trebek. Well, actually, it was with a cousin of Alex Trebek. It was my first week in the new high school and I didn't know any of the kids and I didn't realize that no one my age collected Pogs any more so the first day I arrive I had a Snoopy lunchbox full of Pogs and the other kids just laughed and called me names like "Pogbutt" and "Pogdick" and "Evelyn Paugh." No actually I made that one up. But it left me feeling vulnerable for the first relative of a game show host to come along to take advantage of me.
Posted by Mgmax at August 25, 2008 11:14 AM
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