Posted by Jeffrey Wells on August 11, 2008 at 2:38 PM
comment #1
dp4m says ...
Huh... just when I was thinking that Obama was running only positive ads everytime I've turned on the Olympics and McCain is running negative ads. Guess they're both really just playing the same, old game.
Wouldn't it make more tactical sense to make a negative ad about your opponent going negative if you're running on the "not same old, same old" platform?
And yes, I'm still likely voting for Obama before I get labelled the Jewish Devil by other Obama folks.
Posted by dp4m at August 11, 2008 2:55 PM
comment #2
Flynn says ...
Standing around with your pants at your ankles getting beaten and hazed and rediculed is not appropriate or presidential. Obama needed to hit back and hard. I can't imagine you want him to run a Kerry / Dukakis style campaign. Just calling the other guy "Negative" is the schoolyard equivalent of telling a bully that he must have a hard time sleeping at night, or running to the hall monitor for help. McCain is a crotchety cranky bitter old man who grins like the grinch and flails his arms and has become craven in his desperation to please whomever he stands before. His shot was 2000 and he was destroyed by Bush and Rove. And he has learned since then. Gentlemen don't get elected. So he is throwing the kitchen sink. Fine. Throw the stove and the microwave back.
Posted by Flynn at August 11, 2008 3:07 PM
comment #3
Balthazar says ...
Obama needs the Russia/Georgia thing to blow over fairly quickly.
It's giving some voters an opportunity to perhaps realize that Obama is not the guy they want facing off against Vladimir Putin in a high-stakes international showdown.
Posted by Balthazar at August 11, 2008 3:09 PM
comment #4
Three says ...
This is a poor ad - Obama is playing into McCain's narrative rather than creating his own.
McCain has proposed a tax policy so obscenely skewed towards the wealthy, doing so little for anyone making under $200K, that you would think someone would have pointed this out by now. And then there's McCain himself - out of touch and coddled by wealth his entire life. And stuck on mistakes of 30 years ago, trying to "win" the Vietnam War in Iraq; marching through a Bagdad market in a flak vest and flanked by security personnel - all the while claiming things were just fine there. There's plenty of material.
It's early, and if Obama is the candidate I think he is, he'll abandon McCain's childish tack and move on to the issues people care about.
Posted by Three at August 11, 2008 3:12 PM
comment #5
Balthazar says ...
I still think that unlike any other election of my lifetime, the VP choices are going to go a long way toward possibly deciding this election.
It's going to weigh on my decision.
And I think that's why it's getting on mid-August and we still haven't heard a peep on the veeps. They're terrified of making the wrong picks, and they desperately want the other guy to announce first, so they can counter-attack.
Posted by Balthazar at August 11, 2008 3:16 PM
comment #6
dp4m says ...
Flynn - I don't advocate standing there repeating "thank you sir, may I have another?" but something more along the lines of what Three suggests. This is JUST a negative ad; there's nothing really of substance to it other than attacking McCain with generalities rather than either a) focusing on specific things he's done which will appeal to make voters not vote for him or b) accentuating Obama's positives compared to McCain (of which there are many). But a sheer attack ad for nothing more than attack doesn't scream "change" to me.
Posted by dp4m at August 11, 2008 3:16 PM
comment #7
Mark says ...
how did poor Steve Carrell get dragged into this tit-for-tat, your-strength-is-your-weakness nonsense. also, i heard some complaining about McCain's use of Obama's face next to the word "foreign" as implying that he'll result in more foreign oil. Well, Obama's camp puts the word "old" next to McCain as much as possible.
Posted by Mark at August 11, 2008 3:21 PM
comment #8
Flynn says ...
The video at the URL below is what Obama should be reminding us.
Watch it and let the dismal ineptitude of the last decade wash over you. We cannot let it continue. Just watch.
The video at the URL below is what Obama should be reminding us.
Watch it and let the dismal ineptitude of the last decade wash over you. We cannot let it continue. Just watch.
As a Democrat I felt a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw Obama's statement from his vacation about the Georgian conflict. He was not even remotely presidential, his initial call for Security Council intervention and for all sides to cool off was an embarassment, and to do it in breezy Hawaii, he might as well have been in his pajamas. A major blunder.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 11, 2008 7:04 PM
comment #11
Sweetbubba says ...
>As a Democrat I felt a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw Obama's statement from his vacation about the Georgian conflict.He was not even remotely presidential
Agree, but at least he wasn't watching beach volleyball. Actually, maybe he was.
This is a poor ad - he's playing into McCain's hands by crafting a copycat retort ("think I'm a celebrity - well, YOU"RE a celebrity too..ish"). There's nothing wrong with attacking McCain back, but aping McCain's own lines just keeps people talking about the same celebrity point, and it's not one that favors McCain. Note - this is not a free pass for Obama to go back to the "he's old" slams. But there's got to be better ammunition out there than this if Obama actually opt for the attacking game.
Three wrote:
This is a poor ad - Obama is playing into McCain's narrative rather than creating his own.
Agree. Meanwhile, it's skin-crawling watching McCain Russkie-bash and being reminded how much better Reagan read lines like these.
Considering that McCain's campaign tries to keep a tight leash on their candidate, it's clear that we're going to see the third term of Reagan--except with an even more fact-challenged understudy.
Terry I think we both know sadly if they can convince the American people it will be a third Reagan term he will win in a walk.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 12, 2008 1:05 AM
comment #16
BurmaShave says ...
Flynn- jesus christ what a good video. I want to start seeing some Obama ads like that.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 12, 2008 1:13 AM
comment #17
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Posted by Herry2008 at August 12, 2008 2:16 AM
comment #18
Count Thread says ...
"Obama needs the Russia/Georgia thing to blow over fairly quickly."
Ummm, *Georgia, America and the World* needs this thing to blow over fairly quickly.
Some things are more important than politics. I tend to vote for the people who understand that best.
Posted by Count Thread at August 12, 2008 7:49 AM
comment #19
GonePostal says ...
CountThread Wrote:
"Some things are more important than politics. I tend to vote for the people who understand that best."
I couldn't agree more, but I have no doubt in my mind that Obama's people are hoping it blows over quickly for the sake of the candidate more than the sake of Georgia and the world. Obama and McCain hopefully don't think that way. But their staff is essentially paid to think in terms of what is best for the candidate and the candidate only. When I worked campaigns, I noticed that eventually the first thing you think is always "How does this affect the campaign?"
Posted by GonePostal at August 12, 2008 8:22 AM
comment #20
D.Z. says ...
Burma: I think most Americans have too short a cultural attention span to remember Reagan.
comment #1
dp4m says ...
Huh... just when I was thinking that Obama was running only positive ads everytime I've turned on the Olympics and McCain is running negative ads. Guess they're both really just playing the same, old game.
Wouldn't it make more tactical sense to make a negative ad about your opponent going negative if you're running on the "not same old, same old" platform?
And yes, I'm still likely voting for Obama before I get labelled the Jewish Devil by other Obama folks.
Posted by dp4m at August 11, 2008 2:55 PM
comment #2
Flynn says ...
Standing around with your pants at your ankles getting beaten and hazed and rediculed is not appropriate or presidential. Obama needed to hit back and hard. I can't imagine you want him to run a Kerry / Dukakis style campaign. Just calling the other guy "Negative" is the schoolyard equivalent of telling a bully that he must have a hard time sleeping at night, or running to the hall monitor for help. McCain is a crotchety cranky bitter old man who grins like the grinch and flails his arms and has become craven in his desperation to please whomever he stands before. His shot was 2000 and he was destroyed by Bush and Rove. And he has learned since then. Gentlemen don't get elected. So he is throwing the kitchen sink. Fine. Throw the stove and the microwave back.
Posted by Flynn at August 11, 2008 3:07 PM
comment #3
Balthazar says ...
Obama needs the Russia/Georgia thing to blow over fairly quickly.
It's giving some voters an opportunity to perhaps realize that Obama is not the guy they want facing off against Vladimir Putin in a high-stakes international showdown.
Posted by Balthazar at August 11, 2008 3:09 PM
comment #4
Three says ...
This is a poor ad - Obama is playing into McCain's narrative rather than creating his own.
McCain has proposed a tax policy so obscenely skewed towards the wealthy, doing so little for anyone making under $200K, that you would think someone would have pointed this out by now. And then there's McCain himself - out of touch and coddled by wealth his entire life. And stuck on mistakes of 30 years ago, trying to "win" the Vietnam War in Iraq; marching through a Bagdad market in a flak vest and flanked by security personnel - all the while claiming things were just fine there. There's plenty of material.
It's early, and if Obama is the candidate I think he is, he'll abandon McCain's childish tack and move on to the issues people care about.
Posted by Three at August 11, 2008 3:12 PM
comment #5
Balthazar says ...
I still think that unlike any other election of my lifetime, the VP choices are going to go a long way toward possibly deciding this election.
It's going to weigh on my decision.
And I think that's why it's getting on mid-August and we still haven't heard a peep on the veeps. They're terrified of making the wrong picks, and they desperately want the other guy to announce first, so they can counter-attack.
Posted by Balthazar at August 11, 2008 3:16 PM
comment #6
dp4m says ...
Flynn - I don't advocate standing there repeating "thank you sir, may I have another?" but something more along the lines of what Three suggests. This is JUST a negative ad; there's nothing really of substance to it other than attacking McCain with generalities rather than either a) focusing on specific things he's done which will appeal to make voters not vote for him or b) accentuating Obama's positives compared to McCain (of which there are many). But a sheer attack ad for nothing more than attack doesn't scream "change" to me.
Posted by dp4m at August 11, 2008 3:16 PM
comment #7
Mark says ...
how did poor Steve Carrell get dragged into this tit-for-tat, your-strength-is-your-weakness nonsense. also, i heard some complaining about McCain's use of Obama's face next to the word "foreign" as implying that he'll result in more foreign oil. Well, Obama's camp puts the word "old" next to McCain as much as possible.
Posted by Mark at August 11, 2008 3:21 PM
comment #8
Flynn says ...
The video at the URL below is what Obama should be reminding us.
Watch it and let the dismal ineptitude of the last decade wash over you. We cannot let it continue. Just watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
Posted by Flynn at August 11, 2008 4:45 PM
comment #9
Flynn says ...
The video at the URL below is what Obama should be reminding us.
Watch it and let the dismal ineptitude of the last decade wash over you. We cannot let it continue. Just watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
Posted by Flynn at August 11, 2008 4:45 PM
comment #10
BurmaShave says ...
As a Democrat I felt a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw Obama's statement from his vacation about the Georgian conflict. He was not even remotely presidential, his initial call for Security Council intervention and for all sides to cool off was an embarassment, and to do it in breezy Hawaii, he might as well have been in his pajamas. A major blunder.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 11, 2008 7:04 PM
comment #11
Sweetbubba says ...
>As a Democrat I felt a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I saw Obama's statement from his vacation about the Georgian conflict.He was not even remotely presidential
Agree, but at least he wasn't watching beach volleyball. Actually, maybe he was.
This is a poor ad - he's playing into McCain's hands by crafting a copycat retort ("think I'm a celebrity - well, YOU"RE a celebrity too..ish"). There's nothing wrong with attacking McCain back, but aping McCain's own lines just keeps people talking about the same celebrity point, and it's not one that favors McCain. Note - this is not a free pass for Obama to go back to the "he's old" slams. But there's got to be better ammunition out there than this if Obama actually opt for the attacking game.
Meanwhile, McCain has already picked up the fumbled ball and is pounding this point even more effectively: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQk2jtLZoJw
Obama's got a lot of creative support - he has to do better than this.
Posted by Sweetbubba at August 11, 2008 8:07 PM
comment #12
Sweetbubba says ...
Flynn - definitely far more effective.
Posted by Sweetbubba at August 11, 2008 8:09 PM
comment #13
D.Z. says ...
Burma: You're right. He should be reading "My Pet Goat" instead.
Posted by D.Z. at August 11, 2008 8:42 PM
comment #14
Terry McCarty says ...
Three wrote:
This is a poor ad - Obama is playing into McCain's narrative rather than creating his own.
Agree. Meanwhile, it's skin-crawling watching McCain Russkie-bash and being reminded how much better Reagan read lines like these.
Considering that McCain's campaign tries to keep a tight leash on their candidate, it's clear that we're going to see the third term of Reagan--except with an even more fact-challenged understudy.
Posted by Terry McCarty at August 11, 2008 11:57 PM
comment #15
BurmaShave says ...
Terry I think we both know sadly if they can convince the American people it will be a third Reagan term he will win in a walk.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 12, 2008 1:05 AM
comment #16
BurmaShave says ...
Flynn- jesus christ what a good video. I want to start seeing some Obama ads like that.
Posted by BurmaShave at August 12, 2008 1:13 AM
comment #17
Herry2008 says ...
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Posted by Herry2008 at August 12, 2008 2:16 AM
comment #18
Count Thread says ...
"Obama needs the Russia/Georgia thing to blow over fairly quickly."
Ummm, *Georgia, America and the World* needs this thing to blow over fairly quickly.
Some things are more important than politics. I tend to vote for the people who understand that best.
Posted by Count Thread at August 12, 2008 7:49 AM
comment #19
GonePostal says ...
CountThread Wrote:
"Some things are more important than politics. I tend to vote for the people who understand that best."
I couldn't agree more, but I have no doubt in my mind that Obama's people are hoping it blows over quickly for the sake of the candidate more than the sake of Georgia and the world. Obama and McCain hopefully don't think that way. But their staff is essentially paid to think in terms of what is best for the candidate and the candidate only. When I worked campaigns, I noticed that eventually the first thing you think is always "How does this affect the campaign?"
Posted by GonePostal at August 12, 2008 8:22 AM
comment #20
D.Z. says ...
Burma: I think most Americans have too short a cultural attention span to remember Reagan.
Posted by D.Z. at August 12, 2008 10:34 AM