comment #1

Skot Black says ...

And we think America is the laughing stock of the free world now? Just wait until November!

comment #2

George Prager says ...

Again, I ask you, how is a feeble old man and a hockey mom with 5 kids going to instill fear in our enemies?

According to the Wall Street Journal, her stint as Wasilla mayor was a disaster:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html

comment #3

Edward says ...

Now that the convention is over McCain is criticizing Bush and it's been reported Palin's church is converting gays, because everyone knows it's all about a lifestyle and not genetics. It's time for the media to take the gloves off and show the American people how inconsistent, strange and bizarre these two are.

comment #4

D.Z. says ...

Still pretty small bounce, given the expectations of the zombies who think that Palin can "check" Obama. McCain should be skyrocketing over Obama if he really made that kind of impact at the RNC. In fact, *he* should be the one with double-digits, given that he's got all the Bush loonies and some of the Hillary loonies on his side. If that's the best he can do, then he'll be toast after the debates.

comment #5

High Chaparral says ...

It's the electoral college that matters Jeff. Ohio is where it will be won or lost.

comment #6

George Prager says ...

Oh, I forgot, he's going to have Lindsay Graham and Joe Lieberman bore them to death.

comment #7

MDOC says ...

Wait a minute, a week ago when Obama got his bounce there was a lot of chest thumping going on here. One week later and it's all gone. Oh well, there's always 2012. If there is any justice or karma, for all the rhetoric demonizing Mccain who is a centrist (explain how he was almost Kerry's VP choice 4 years ago) you will get a militant righty jammed down your throats in 2012 like "Slick" Rick Santorum.

comment #8

Chicago48 says ...

Ironic: Palin is being put out there as the winning candidate instead of McCain....he desperately needs her (or someone who looks like her young & pretty) to help him. He would be a goner if he had chosen Lieberman or some other old codger. As the news comes out about Palin as it is on the internet people will get mad at his pick. The truth will come out. And if the American public chooses the McCain Republicans, then shame on us.

comment #9

MilkMan says ...

The votes are in from Ohio already, and it looks like McCain and Palin are going to be declared the winners.

I've said this before and I will say it again: The citizens of the U.S.A. are not going to vote for a black man as president. What in our short history would lead anyone to believe that this could happen? I don't understand people. This country, at its core, is Christian, Right-Wing, Anti-Intellectual, and Intolerant; not everyone, but enough.

McCain is a centrist? Okay. Then what's Obama? A radical? My point exactly.

comment #10

AH says ...

Give it two weeks. The numbers then will be the real story.

comment #11

D.Z. says ...

MDOC: "Wait a minute, a week ago when Obama got his bounce there was a lot of chest thumping going on here. One week later and it's all gone. Oh well, there's always 2012."

One week later, and Obama still has a strong chunk of voter support, while McCain barely tops him, even *after* appealing to the Shallow Majority. And Obama was the first of the pair to hit 50% of the votes to boot. It seems to me like it's the *Republicans* who have to avoid being booted to 2012.

"If there is any justice or karma, for all the rhetoric demonizing Mccain who is a centrist (explain how he was almost Kerry's VP choice 4 years ago)"

Centrists don't vote against MLK Day or tuition money for vets. And Kerry felt differently about McCain than he does today.

"you will get a militant righty jammed down your throats in 2012 like "Slick" Rick Santorum."

Pro-tip. They're all militant righties in that party. Google McCain's "Bomb Iran" song.

comment #12

D.Z. says ...

Milkman: "The citizens of the U.S.A. are not going to vote for a black man as president. What in our short history would lead anyone to believe that this could happen? I don't understand people. This country, at its core, is Christian, Right-Wing, Anti-Intellectual, and Intolerant; not everyone, but enough."

Well, no one thought the Dems could sweep both Houses after Bush won 2004, either. So don't bet against the underdog just yet.

comment #13

MDOC says ...

MilkMan,

I think the fact the you are not voting Republican proves you hate women.

comment #14

MilkMan says ...

No, just you, MDOC.

comment #15

MDOC says ...

MilkMan,

I think the fact the you are not voting Republican proves you hate women.

I don't truly believe that. But I don't believe that a vote for Mccain is a vote against the prinicpal of a black leader. The country is polarized, if everyone simply lines up andvotes the way they voted last time Mccain wins, I think to spin it as a racist rejection of a colored canidate is ugly. If the Republicans ran Colin Powell instead of McCain I truly believe they would not have lost many votes.

comment #16

Chicago48 says ...

I'm with Milkman, unfortunately, this country will not vote for a Black man for President. They cannot visualize a black family in the WHite house. But give Obama a thumbs up for really running a tough campaign.

However, we have a few more weeks to go.....and I think more info about Palin will come out that will be damaging and embarassing. But the Repubs are in Alaska now trying to shut everybody up.

McCain scares the bejeezus out of me.

comment #17

MDOC says ...

"I think more info about Palin will come out that will be damaging and embarassing."

I actually agree with that statement Chicago48

comment #18

D.Z. says ...

MDOC: "The country is polarized, if everyone simply lines up andvotes the way they voted last time Mccain wins, I think to spin it as a racist rejection of a colored canidate is ugly."

Why is it any uglier than spinning Bush's 2004 win as a homophobic rejection of gay rights? Or Bush's father's win as a racist rejection of equal treatment under the law?

"If the Republicans ran Colin Powell instead of McCain I truly believe they would not have lost many votes."

The pre-Iraq 2 lapdog Colin Powell, yes. The lying scumbag Colin Powell, no.

Chicago: "I'm with Milkman, unfortunately, this country will not vote for a Black man for President. They cannot visualize a black family in the WHite house."

They can visualize a black family in a sitcom for eight years, so why not President?

comment #19

BurmaShave says ...

"Please don't be diverted by the ground noise and the static!" was a Nixon-level daddy line.

comment #20

MathewM says ...

I can tell you that if Barack Obama ran as a Republican he would win easily. I'm not saying that he would have to have extreme conservative views. He would have to be publically pro-life but other than that a moderate. Republicans, at least the ones who are rationally minded (and there are a lot of those despite the liberals trying to paint them all as bible thumping white rubes) would vote for a black man. My dad who is almost always one to vote Republican is seriously considering voting for Obama this year. He likes McCain but because he's potentially in need of universal health care he sees Obama as someone more likely to get that done.

comment #21

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "Republicans, at least the ones who are rationally minded (and there are a lot of those despite the liberals trying to paint them all as bible thumping white rubes)"

Well, they had a chance to vote against a Bible-Thumper twice, and failed each time, so...

comment #22

jc says ...

It's a screwed up system, but remember, it's all about the Electoral College and the national polls don't matter. Keep checking here: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

comment #23

Chicago48 says ...

Uh-oh O just made a big boo-boo on ABC news interview by stating "my Muslim faith"....but he often does this....but it looks really bad....the man is probably tired in a big way and whenever he's tired he gets a little foot in mouth talking.

comment #24

dangovich says ...

Thanks for the link jc.

National polls are kind of pointless.

comment #25

roanokemaroon says ...

McCain's camp was vetting Palin back at the end of May. No "rash judgment" about it.

comment #26

Chicago48 says ...

Obama needs to stop backing away from Muslimism.
Soon, he'strying to out-Christian Palin and he keeps trying to prove he's not a Muslim -- as if Muslim was a dirty word or a religion. If I were Muslim I would be insulted that he keeps trying to avoid being associated with the religion or having been living in a Muslim country.

comment #27

alero says ...

When a person of color is running for office, polls can not be trusted. History shows some white voters lie to pollsters. Mr Obama is losing by more than the numbers show.

comment #28

D.Z. says ...

alero: "When a person of color is running for office, polls can not be trusted. History shows some white voters lie to pollsters. Mr Obama is losing by more than the numbers show."

If he's losing, why was his speech a ratings hit? And if they're racist, why would they even bother answering the polls? They could just say "not interested" and only have to worry about being labeled as "apathetic", rather than bigoted.

comment #29

Chapman Carruthers says ...

>>>I'm with Milkman, unfortunately, this country will not vote for a Black man for President. They cannot visualize a black family in the White house.

Hell, then paint the fucker black. Then maybe white America won't be comfortable visualizing a white man in it. Or, maybe they simply won't vote for the decrepit candidate because the image of him in a black box will remind them too much of their late grandfather's funeral.

comment #30

astrophore says ...

you know, there's one thing americans really love, and that's familiarity. and sequels. we like the sequels, even the third one in the series, which is always shit. when i see sarah palin, i think of those goddam ewoks. the beginning of the end. especially after the empire struck back.

but not rocky iii. that rocked. almost as good as rocky iv. i exempt the rocky series from my off-the-cuff statement about sequels. in fact, as i'm typing this i'm lifting a giant caber in three feet of snow. because i can.

and so the beady-eyed rovebots swarm around, and do their job, and make stuff up, but who cares, people are stupid or lazy or zonked out, just nod your head up and down and agree. go beat off into the weekly standard centerfold.

people don't remember last week, let alone 4 years ago.

son, when i was a kid, i remember when war heroes who were running for president were mocked as gigolo pussies who lived off of their second wife's money.

comment #31

iamwhoiam says ...

Sad and very scary. God save America (and the world) from the stupidity of its people.

comment #32

Smurf says ...

>> when i see sarah palin, i think of those goddam ewoks.

priceless

i have no love for McC but due to the soap-opera intrigues among both O and Sarah this election is providing more entertaining than the 2004 matchup

no matter who wins Nov, half the map will wind up spitting at the other half

comment #33

nola says ...

McCain has NOT been vetting Palin since May. They might have tracking her but there is no way in hell they vetted her.

Nobody on the ground in Alaska was asked about Palin even a week before McCain picked her.

If this ticket gets elected it will just speak volumes about us. I find it interesting that Barack was racked over the coals about not wearing a flag pin but it's okay that Palin and her husband belonged to a party that wants to SUCEDE from the USA and yet they're patriotic Americans.

I can't really go on but the level of hypocrisy blows my mind.

McCain used to be a centrist and did get flack from his party. However that all changed when he bought Team Rove on to run his campaign, voted with bust 90% of the time, and more importantly picked a far-right, undereducated, isolationist, creationist believing, book banning, idiot who reads speeches (written by those washington insiders she hates so much) well as his VP.

I didn't hear one word from McCain or Palin about this mortgage crisis.

If people want to vote for this disaster of a ticket because they are more "relateable" with their C avg. than the "elitist" then really as a county we are fucked.

I don't quite understand why being mediocre is something we should strive for.

comment #34

roanokemaroon says ...

nola: "Vetting" does not mean asking around on the street about someone. Culvahouse was meeting with Palin at the end of May. That's the first stage of vetting.

Sarah Palin never belonged to the party you refer to. That's been debunked. Oh, and there's no U in secede.

comment #35

VictorLazlo says ...

Everyone take a deep breath. He got a small bounce, the zogby poll is worthless so its not worth bringing up. The race is essentially tied and Obama has the ground game.

Democrats registered a metric fuckload of new voters this summer and you can be sure they aren't being polled.

We liberals need to toughen up. The bible thumpers never give up because they think god is on their side. We need the same stubborn drive.

QUIT CRYIN, OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN.

comment #36

arturobandini2 says ...

Doesn't matter that Palin is no longer a registered member of the AIP. She recently taped a video wishing them success that's ON THEIR WEBSITE. If Obama had done the same for Rev. Wright, he wouldn't have survived the primaries. Furthermore, Palin's First Dud(e) was a card-carrying member for 8 years. According to reports from Alaska, he gets "cc'd" on all her political correspondence and had a hand in Troopergate.

With the rabid right falling all over itself to coronate this idiot, their hypocrisy becomes staggering. They're supposed to hate "celebrities," yet their love for her is based solely on profiles in People and Us. The rest of us can see she's a snarky Jesus freak who lies at the drop of a hat, rewards cronies and fires those who disagree with her.

comment #37

Dave Polands Gut says ...

Now America is racist because we don't want to vote for a radical leftist?

comment #38

nola says ...

thanks for the spelling lesson. Sorry I have typos in my post. But then again I'm not running for office.

If McCain was vetting her so early why did the campaign feel the need to lie and say they spoke to the FBI about her?

I feel the family drama is a big distraction and I look forward to hearing what Gov. Palin has to say about the issues when she sits down with Charles Gibson this week.

comment #39

Chicago48 says ...

Victor I would like to believe you that Obama will win, but only by the grace of god and by Palin messing up or misstepping. She's the only reason McCain is getting attention and the "bounce"....people LOVE HER, not John McCain....that was a smart move put a pretty smart motherly woman next to him....gotta say they look good in the photos.
You know, McCain would not look good next to Lieberman or Kay Hutchinson....but next to a younger woman - yep, he looks smashing and confident! Youth does that to old men.
This will be the most polarizing election in years maybe decades. I can actually see people going fistfights over this election.
The Dems have to come out in force to get Obama/Biden in, and I mean FORCE!

comment #40

Chicago48 says ...

Well according to the huffingtonpost she just made her first GAFFE:
Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.

Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported, "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."

Economists and analysts pounced on the misstatement, saying it demonstrated a lack of understanding about one of the key economic issues likely to face the next administration.

"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center

************************************ do you think the public cares?

comment #41

Richardson says ...

""Vetting" does not mean asking around on the street about someone. Culvahouse was meeting with Palin at the end of May. That's the first stage of vetting."

roanoke - the truth is, after a brief meeting in May, they decided she had no shot and did no further vetting. Everybody on both sides has conceded this (though McCain has claimed both ways). Not a single person on her staff was interviewed by McCain's people until after the selection was announced, for instance. Her background was not investigated. very, very little vetting was done.

"Sarah Palin never belonged to the party you refer to. That's been debunked."

That's just not true. Unless you accept a candidate's word as debunking (which is consistent with accepting a phone call as "vetting").

comment #42

nola says ...

chicago48, I hope they do.

Bush was elected twice so who knows what will happen in Nov. I agree with you, it's going to be ugly.

comment #43

NC Gary says ...

The polls in September don't mean a thing. Wait until a week after the third and final debate. If McCain is still ahead at that point, then I'll get nervous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kerry leading in the polls at this point four years ago?

comment #44

arturobandini2 says ...

Problem is, NC, nobody actually watched the three presidential debates in '04. If they had, W. wouldn'ta come within a country mile of reclaiming the White House. He mispronounced words, spoke in 1st grade English ("I did good decisions!!"), smirked, scowled, strutted and generally behaved like the arrogant nincompoop we all know him to be. Even after it became public knowledge that he probably cheated (remember that mysterious electronic device taped to his back, revealed by infrared photography?), you'd still hear people sayingthat Bush whipped Kerry's ass. Then, if pressed, they'd admit that they only watched about 5 minutes, or saw highlights on Fox News.

comment #45

roanokemaroon says ...

richardson: If you can accept factcheck.org as non-partisan, go here for details on Party membership:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

And the McCain camp conceded nothing in regards to Palin's vetting.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13089.html

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