comment #1

swordandpen says ...

The most ridiculous aspect of the review is saying that the movie is brave. How is it brave to make a movie supporting those in power for the last eight years who fucked up everything?

I would call it propaganda or just plain foolish. A lot of that review reflected the self-victimization that we're seeing a lot these days from the right.

Mean Hollywood's picking on them and they're going to fight back with David Zucker's satire which consists of people getting hit in the head and in the nuts.

comment #2

Indeed says ...

"...they're take-down artists and hammerhead bigmouths of the first order."

Hello, pot? Meet kettle.

comment #3

Joel says ...

That movie looks so bad. I can't imagine how anyone could defend it with a straight face.

comment #4

George Prager says ...

Funny how right-wingers are in the business of making propaganda films that would make Joe Stalin proud. But right-wingers as a group are retarded.

comment #5

Teacher's Pets says ...

Haven't read the review, becauser I couldn't care less about the movie, but it's either telling or witty self-parody how close that reviewer's name is to "Der Fuhrer"...

comment #6

corey3rd says ...

Right wingers only know how to make scare-fests like that World Trade Center film that blamed it all on the democrats.

The Zucker film plays like a bombastic turd. We'll make fun of Michael Moore and teach him the greatness of America. Moore knows what makes this country great. He also knows what makes this country frustrating and evil. It's a big country.

Remember that David Zucker makes money off O.J. Simpson movies.

comment #7

George Prager says ...

"So Sambo beat the bitch"

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

comment #8

Rich S. says ...

Dr. Hfuhruhurr is Steve Martin's character in that well-know piece of right-wing propaganda, The Man With Two Brains. I believe Carl Reiner (father of Rob Reiner, and both rumored to be card-carrying members of the National Socialist Party) directed it.

comment #9

Teacher's Pets says ...

No shit? I don't remember that movie at all...off to Netflix for me...

comment #10

/3rtfu11 says ...

George Prager

Thank you for the link. If I didn't already hate that bitch moreso than I do now.

comment #11

George Prager says ...

Can anyone explain to me how our enemies are going to be intimidated by this feeble old man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

comment #12

JustThisGuy says ...

Everything I hear about this movie and everything I see from it (photos, trailer, etc) makes it more and more clear that although Zucker may be a master of the zany spoof, he falls flat when attempting satire, zany or otherwise. Case in point, those atrocious, comedy free spots he made back during the 2004 election. I would say that this just shows a limitation on Zucker's part, except that it seems that the hardcore right wing as a whole seems unable to grasp satire. Case in point, the atrocious Half Hour News Hour.

comment #13

MathewM says ...

"But right-wingers as a group are retarded."

Retarded is such a progressive term.

I dug up this fun quote from Kevin Smith about "George Prager":

"However, based on Mr. Prager’s demanding criteria, the moment I die, I now fully expect… nay, demand… that he immediately blog about it. I will leave instructions for the executor of my estate to grind his nuts on the subject if said blog doesn’t appear in a timely enough fashion, as per the exacting standards Mr. Prager’s recently introduced into the annals of netiquette. If it’s not published within one hour of the announcement of my demise, Mr. Prager can fully expect my attorney to link this exchange anywhere Mr. Prager (to be referred to in my Will as “The Man With Two Much Free Time”) posts over the course of the next 35 hours, under the subject heading “PWNED!”

Speaking of too much free time, George do you have a life?
I see about a dozen posts here a day from you all filled with the same hate speech. And doing a search I can see that you have been spewing shit for over a year now. Seriously, man, how can you consider yourself "progressive" when all you do is type attacking posts on internet blogs all day and night?

comment #14

George Prager says ...

You forgot this part:

Amusingly (credit where credit’s due), Mr. Prager dropped this little bon mot…
I’m sure once he gets back from shorts shopping he’ll get online and issue an apology.
Posted by: George Prager at June 30, 2007 02:46 PM

comment #15

George Prager says ...

"Hate speech" "racism" "sexism" "ageism"... All of a sudden these retarded right-wingers are ranting and raving like freshman girls in a Woman's Studies class! Okay, I apologize to the retarded. They can't help being dumb and they are rarely evil. Right-wingers, on the other hand, are.
They claim "support the troops" but they want to keep them in harm's way. When baby Trig grows up he'll be more intelligent than most of the people in that Republican Convention Hall. And he won't be evil. Fuck this "progressive" shit? Does being "progressive" mean that you hae to be a pussy?

comment #16

Rich S. says ...

Enjoy MWTB, Teacher's Pets. It's resoundingly silly (from Martin's Jerk/Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid) period, but in my opinion, one of the funniest movies ever made. And Kathleen Turner is hotter than in even Body Heat.

comment #17

D.Z. says ...

"Hfuhruhurr can bloviate all he wants (he's a good snappy writer), but in this instance he sounds very much like a propagandist -- a right-wing advocate who's carrying water for a fired-up, hypocrisy-poisoned community that worships the Glenn Becks and Sarah Palins of the world --"

So is that somehow worse than when they carry water for bad movies in order to get exclusive screenings and swag?

"As Jon Stewart said (and I'm paraphrasing), "If Barack Obama was to discover the cure for cancer, they'd find a way to spin it negatively." They're not on the "wrong side" as much as the fact that they're animals. Seriously. No offense."

On a related note, an amusing link I found through Crooksandliars.com. http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us/?p=5990

swordandpen: "The most ridiculous aspect of the review is saying that the movie is brave. How is it brave to make a movie supporting those in power for the last eight years who fucked up everything?"

Not to mention most of the people involved in that movie would be enlisting for Iraq or Afghanistan, if they really wanted to walk the walk

Mathew: Progress requires diligence. After all, Republicans didn't destroy our country overnight. It took them at least 40 years to bring us back to the pre-Industrial Revolution stage of history. And if you think I'm joking, why are we resorting to bartering to get what we want? http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/09/02/bartering.rise/

comment #18

MathewM says ...

I'm not saying times are good. However we have a Democratic controlled congress which has more pull on a local level than the President does. I'm just tired of the blame it all on the "right-wing" philosophy of the left. For example California almost went bankrupt having a democrat governor in charge. It took a fiscal minded Republican to come in and change things. I'm not a big fan of Bush either as he's a big spender. However thinking Obama with all of his government funded economy plans is going to suddenly make things all right is ridiculous.

comment #19

George Prager says ...

Despite those fighting words, I am proud to call you "friend", MatthewM!

comment #20

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "However we have a Democratic controlled congress which has more pull on a local level than the President does."

No, we have a Democratic-controlled House with a bunch of Senate Republicans filibustering anything, just for the sake of filibustering, including care for the vets they claim to love.

"I'm just tired of the blame it all on the "right-wing" philosophy of the left. For example California almost went bankrupt having a democrat governor in charge. It took a fiscal minded Republican to come in and change things."

No, it went bankrupt when a backer of a right-wing President which also embezzled from its employees chose to bill us for electricity at non-competitive rates. But it's nice to know you've chosen to ignore Arnie's recent mess of governing, in which we don't even have a budget right now, because the local righty rich managed to make it harder for the state to pass anything, outside of bailing them out of fires in places in which they shouldn't even have homes. Also, how is he fiscal minded, when the only thing he can come up with is borrowing billions of dollars, and putting us in *more* debt, while being too cowardly to tax people who have yachts.

"However thinking Obama with all of his government funded economy plans is going to suddenly make things all right is ridiculous."

Yes, because FDR, LBJ, and Clinton proved that never works. Oh, wait...!

comment #21

corey3rd says ...

David Zucker, in the immortal words of Armond White, is a hack! It's been twenty years since the first Police Squad film. Those Scary Movie 3 & 4 films could have been directed by any chimp with a megaphone. And Epic Movie and all those other "spoofs of today's cinema" have proven that.

If there's going to be a trial for who killed comedy, Zucker needs to get in line behind CarrotTop and David Spade.

How many comedies do we need that inflict the cremated remains of 9/11 victims to get a chuckle?

comment #22

dangovich says ...

Sarah Palin:

"I am against government handouts except when they benefit me."

"I want to return this country to what the Founding Fathers intended, except for the parts about the separation of church and state and that whole notion of a system of checks and balances."

"I want to wage war all over the world, because this is what Jesus intended and anyway, it's not my kids who will be screwed when the debt comes due."

"Also, I want to decide what my fellow Americans can read and watch, because my extensive educational experience (five colleges in six years) qualifies me to make these decisions."

Congrats, Republicans. What a choice!

comment #23

MathewM says ...

"Yes, because FDR, LBJ, and Clinton proved that never works. Oh, wait...!"

FDR did install social programs but it was actually WW2 that pushed America out of the depression. LBJ installed unnecessary social programs that created today's welfare problem. Clinton actually fought for welfare reform which I commend him for but I can't think of any social programs he started. Creating social programs does not create jobs. Someone has to pay for them. The more you tax corporations the more likely they are to tighten pay rolls by laying people off and shipping jobs overseas.

comment #24

MathewM says ...

"If Barack Obama was to discover the cure for cancer, they'd find a way to spin it negatively."

True but that's because it's an election year. I would actually vote for Obama not because I agree with him politically but I think he would re-invigorate investment in America. I also think his popularity over seas may neutralize potential conflicts with Russia and the middle east. However he can't be soft and if he's elected and shows that he's a push over internationally then he'll be gone come next election.

comment #25

lionsfan says ...

So many of the usual frothing clowns above may not have noticed it, but "Hfuhruhrrr" is surely a joke name. A shortening and stretched out pronounciation of the word "Hauptfuhrer," which is an old SS rank. You folks have likely been had, in other words.

comment #26

qdpsteve says ...

So Gary Sinise, Kelsey Grammer, and Dennis Hopper are all animals. Good to know, Jeff.

Honestly, this thread couldn't be more of an 'Exhibit A' for all the nastiest stereotypes the right has of the left if you were all paid off by Karl Rove.

And has DZ ever posted anything that wasn't straight out of a DNC talking points memo?

comment #27

Luke Y. Thompson says ...

Joking that Michael Moore is fat, dirty and hates America is like saying Bush is a dumb liar who can't pronounce "nuclear."

We've been hearing it for eight years...need just a li'l more in a current satire.

comment #28

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "FDR did install social programs but it was actually WW2 that pushed America out of the depression."

If that were the case, then we wouldn't have stagflation and recession after Vietnam and the end of the Cold War. No, the reason our economy rebounded after WW2 was because we were the only country left with any income to invest in other countries! It's not because we fought WW2, or the British and French would be economic powerhouses after the war, too.

"LBJ installed unnecessary social programs that created today's welfare problem."

Those "unnecessary social programs" are not exactly hurting Europeans and Canadians, since their currencies are higher than our own currency right now. And if they're so unnecessary, then why do the Republican politicians use the same universal health care and social security they decry of us? Particularly McCain. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2008/07/14/daily79.html
As for "welfare problems", you seem to have no problems when Freddie Mac and Fannie May are among them.

"Clinton actually fought for welfare reform which I commend him for but I can't think of any social programs he started."

He made it possible for women to be compensated for maternity leave.

"Creating social programs does not create jobs. Someone has to pay for them."

If social programs don't create jobs, then why are there specific programs which train people in finding work? And by your logic, we should end the military, police, and fire departments, since they don't "create" jobs, either, just waste our money defending the same type of potential threats as welfare.

"The more you tax corporations the more likely they are to tighten pay rolls by laying people off and shipping jobs overseas."

Well, they've gotten the biggest tax breaks in a decade, and they're still shipping jobs overseas; so there goes your theory.

"However he can't be soft and if he's elected and shows that he's a push over internationally then he'll be gone come next election."

He should just scold Russia without doing anything like Bush.

qdp: "And has DZ ever posted anything that wasn't straight out of a DNC talking points memo?"

It's straight out of reality, you know, like our icecaps melting.

comment #29

MathewM says ...

"He made it possible for women to be compensated for maternity leave."

Well I'm glad he did. My wife is taking maternity leave next year for our first child. She'll get 60% of her pay for 6-8 weeks.

However my wife works for a school district. For a small business I could see the Family Medical Leave Act taking a serious toll. Thank god for temp agencies I suppose.

"And by your logic, we should end the military, police, and fire departments, since they don't "create" jobs, either, just waste our money defending the same type of potential threats as welfare."

You can spin my words in whatever ways you want. We need firefighters, police men, military. I never said we didn't. I'm talking about welfare programs for those who rather not work and just live off of the government. What kind of new jobs could the government create that wouldn't somehow burden the average tax payer?

"Well, they've gotten the biggest tax breaks in a decade, and they're still shipping jobs overseas; so there goes your theory."

They also paid the highest taxes to begin with. I'm not going to defend large corporations. To re-phrase it; I'm arguing that individuals in theory should not be taxed for their successes.

"He should just scold Russia without doing anything like Bush."

So you're suggesting that attacking Russia would be the right thing to do? You choose your battles if you wish to win.

comment #30

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "However my wife works for a school district. For a small business I could see the Family Medical Leave Act taking a serious toll."

If companies are not willing to help the employees who've helped make them competitive and profitable, then they deserve to go under.

"We need firefighters, police men, military. I never said we didn't. I'm talking about welfare programs for those who rather not work and just live off of the government.

These are people who live off the government, and they work. So why can't anyone else do the same?

"What kind of new jobs could the government create that wouldn't somehow burden the average tax payer?"

Well, I've just given you three examples. And thanks to the Republicans refusing to pass a budget in Cali, we might not even get those services! What kind of work is available, after taxpayers have been forced to clean up corruption from the top 1%?

comment #31

Drew says ...

Lionsfan, it's already been explained once in this thread, but since you seem to have missed it, I'll explain again.

His name has NOTHING to do with Nazis, you weirdo. It's a name of a character in Steve Martin's THE MAN WITH TWO BRAINS. Period. End of story. There's nothing else to it, and it's not some sinister racist thing.

It's amazing how people will stretch to villify someone who says something they don't like, isn't it?

comment #32

Richardson says ...

I'd like to point out, in response to the good doctor's praise of how brave this movie is, that if the left were to make a comedy mocking terrorists, the right would accuse them of making light of the situation, which is incredibly serious.

comment #33

Richardson says ...

"Patton points out that sometimes war IS the answer, but in this alternate reality Abraham Lincoln believed, as Malone believes and as many on the Left believe, that War is Never the Answer and so there was never a Civil War fought to free the slaves."

I'm not sure how the Civil War not being fought could possibly have led to slavery in Michigan. Did the Confederacy invade the US and force them to have slaves?

comment #34

Richardson says ...

All that and a musical number about student protestors and liberal professors?

And I thought Mad Magazine was topical and mean!

comment #35

MathewM says ...

"If companies are not willing to help the employees who've helped make them competitive and profitable, then they deserve to go under."

What if the small businesses already operate on small margins? You're assuming that when I say small business I'm talking about AT&T?

"Well, I've just given you three examples."

What examples? Police men? Fire Fighters? If California can't afford to pay them then I hate to say it but you're screwed. It's bad enough that your state is over populated and has sucked all of its natural resources dry.

comment #36

Richardson says ...

"And has DZ ever posted anything that wasn't straight out of a DNC talking points memo?"

That's ridiculous. DZ's reads random talking points, and surely most of them are from the left, but they're all filtered through his stupid, stupid brain, and they come out as nonsense. DZ is crazier than Ron Paul and stupider than Forrest Gump.

comment #37

tfresca says ...

You know I really hate how people are so quick to talk about this "welfare state". In any situation there always people who abuse the system but I guarantee you that most people on public assistance are regular hard working people who NEED ASSISTANCE. Especially given the state of medical care in this country a lot of people are one serious illness away from losing everything. You may have neighbors on public assistance or unemployment and don't know it. It really irks me that Republicans claim to be a party all about God and the bible but throw all of that away when it comes to things about compassion and helping others. In fact I'd be willing to bet there is a significant number of women on our nation's welfare rolls as a result of child that they didn't abort. Instead of crowing about taking away someone's right to decide for themselves should good "evangelicals" be about helping the women who have these kids that they don't want them to abort. I mean every woman can't have an oil man for a daddy and a caty politician as a mom.

comment #38

MathewM says ...

"In fact I'd be willing to bet there is a significant number of women on our nation's welfare rolls as a result of child that they didn't abort."

They had a choice, right? The abortion debate is deeper than politics. 50% of the country is not made up entirely of "Evangelicals". I don't consider myself religious but I think abortion is morally wrong. If it's got a beating heart it's alive in my book. Should abortion remain legal? Probably to avoid ugly cases of back alley butcherings. However it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control. If you're going to have sex make sure to wear a condom and or use the pill.

comment #39

qdpsteve says ...

That's ridiculous. DZ's reads random talking points, and surely most of them are from the left, but they're all filtered through his stupid, stupid brain, and they come out as nonsense. DZ is crazier than Ron Paul and stupider than Forrest Gump.

Richardson: exquisitely well-stated. Thanks for clearing that up for me! ;-)

comment #40

Richardson says ...

"If you're going to have sex make sure to wear a condom and or use the pill."

So, you're way further left than Sarah Palin, then.

comment #41

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "What if the small businesses already operate on small margins? You're assuming that when I say small business I'm talking about AT&T?"

If they operate on small margins, then they probably aren't going to be hiring anyone, anyway.

"If California can't afford to pay them then I hate to say it but you're screwed. It's bad enough that your state is over populated and has sucked all of its natural resources dry."

Well, we might have less people and more water if we had more professional jobs and relied less on tourists for
money.

Richardson: "That's ridiculous. DZ's reads random talking points, and surely most of them are from the left, but they're all filtered through his stupid, stupid brain, and they come out as nonsense."

Speaking of nonsense, what's so special about Anna Faris again?

comment #42

D.Z. says ...

Mathew: "They had a choice, right?"

Well, women who are raped don't normally have a choice...

comment #43

D.Z. says ...

Sans "normally".

comment #44

Richardson says ...

"Speaking of nonsense, what's so special about Anna Faris again?"

The thing I love about DZ is the bizarre arrogance. For instance, he makes the prediction that 'House Bunny' won't gross more than $10 mil because Ana Faris had her chance to be a star -- 'Smiley Face' -- and it failed, to which I respond that 'House Bunny' will make more than that in its opening weekend, and yet he can then later try and act as if he was proven correct.

He's done this sort of thing before, too. It's really funny.

comment #45

Josh Massey says ...

"It really irks me that Republicans claim to be a party all about God and the bible but throw all of that away when it comes to things about compassion and helping others."

Republicans don't oppose compassion and helping others - check out donations and charitable actions of your local churches, most of which are most likely predominately Republican. And studies show Republicans are more charitable than Democrats.

What conservatives oppose is forced compassion using taxpayer funds. Liberals, on the other hand, are quick to be "compassionate and helping" with other people's money.

comment #46

tfresca says ...

What you said might hold water if Bush didn't pour millions of "tax payer" dollars into church based programs that ignored common sense and statistical data by ya know NOT teaching birth control to teens and the like. Also Bush seems to have no problem with tax payer money funding charity to oil rich countries that will directly benefit him and his cronies. Hypocrisy should be his middle name.

comment #47

tfresca says ...

Oh by the way if you've ever known a woman who actually had an abortion it's never an easy choice and this "using it as birth control" is about as common as this myth of the welfare queen driving a caddy with shiny new rims all while on public assistance.

comment #48

MathewM says ...

"Well, women who are raped don't normally have a choice... "

In rare cases like rape then yes I think abortion should remain legal.

I'm kind of busy with life right now, unlike you Deez. So I'm going to end it with this.

comment #49

lionsfan says ...

Even for one who claims to be as "sensitive" as Steve Msrtin does, I;m sure the original derivation for the name of "Hfuh....." stems from the SS rank. Really, why is that so hard to fathom?

The "depth" of most of the political comments from liberals above is akin to that found in your usual, stammeringly vague Warren Beatty interview.

comment #50

Richardson says ...

"Really, why is that so hard to fathom?"

It's not so much "hard to fathom" as "ridiculous to contemplate" if you've seen the movie.

comment #51

D.Z. says ...

Josh: McCain seemed to oppose listening to a woman in a wheelchair... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/07/report-mccain-pushed-woma_n_124615.html

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