It sucks that the rest of the country has to pay for the housing mania that took place mostly in California, Nevada, and Florida. Pay for your own mess guys.
Posted by moviesquad at September 25, 2008 11:55 AM
You know, I usually like to be more of the restrained type that argues with a sense of control and patience. But seriously, here's one big giant fuck you to all of you republicans who have largely put us in the calamity we're currently facing. Remember when you tried to convince us all that Republicans are good for the economy and big business because supposedly Democrats wanted too much regulation that would ultimately stunt U.S. corporations and small businesses? Well, what do you have to say now you incompetent gas bags that have literally no substance and idea of the consequences of the ludicrous decisions you all make because they sound good to the largely uneducated bunch of followers that are your base. Your answer to everything? Deregulate, deregulate, and then when there's nothing more to deregulate lets relax the laws that govern these companies as well. Allow these companies to blindly over leverage themselves in terribly risky investments with someone else's money, and then when you realize you just bet the bank on the hope that home prices would continue to appreciate at near record levels when the bubble was already beyond full from years of mega gains, what are you to do? Get your fucking dumbasses bailed out with taxpayer money. What's conservative about that? Is god going to be paying for part of this bailout plan or is it all on us main street citizens? Anyone that votes Republican in anything in this upcoming election is voting against their interests, the interests of nearly all citizens that still care about wanting to have a bright future to look forward to. John McCain is a mirror image of George Bush, he's supported him 95% of the time, and you know what that means? If you vote for McCain, you are literally voting for a guy that would have done almost exactly what Bush has done over the last 8 years. How has that worked out? Open your eyes! Vote for your actual interests. Remember that under 8 years of President Bill Clinton, a young DEMOCRAT, smart and responsible, presided over some of the best economic years in our country's history. Forget how disastrous 4 more years of Bush/McCain policies would be for the lives of you and me, only 1 more year of this will be enough to be our complete undoing. Republicans have trashed everything our country was founded upon, and in the name of supposedly bringing democracy to the rest of the world, they've completely ignored it here at home, and you are letting them. We deserve everything we are getting right now, and only if we band together and listen to reason, put aside abortion or race or any of these other ideological differences, and vote for reason, vote for what we actually need to happen, will we restore the American dream and begin working to make the USA the country we and the rest of the world all need. Democrats are NOT pro-abortion, we're pro-choice. We don't shun god, we just don't think he has a place in politics, as it was originally agreed upon. Obama can make our country the envy of the world once more, not by doing it himself, but because he honestly invites and urges us to be part of the rebuilding, exactly the way it should be and ultimately the only way it can ever work to the unbelievable magnitude we're capable of. We can do amazing things if we're open and honest with each other instead of acting in secrecy and shadiness like the Republicans have done. Experience? Please, how do you value experience? Are you looking for experience in general, no matter what kind of experience it is? Because yes John McCain is the most experienced, but he's most experienced in exactly the kind of experience we are trying to get away from. Vote for reason. Vote for honesty and hope. Vote for yourself, and your friends and family. Vote Obama in 2008. Please, your country needs you, I need you, and you need yourself.
Mr. Goldstein: Assuming (for the sake of argument )that this is your actual screed, you make a few valid points, amidst the hyperbole, and the re-stating of the obvious, which goes on rather too long, yeah? And, but, yeah, okay, but... so, like, why the FUCK is your hero Bill Clinton shilling for McCain now? That's a rhetorical question? But I'd still like to hear your answer?
Posted by Joshua Mooney at September 25, 2008 1:20 PM
Hey Richardson: Why drag Robert Plant into this? He'll either agree to the Zeppelin reunion or not. I think the odds are dead-set against it. But I live in hope.
Posted by Joshua Mooney at September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
I never said Clinton was my hero did I? I simply said what is a fact, that Bill Clinton was a democrat, who you could favorably compare to Obama in a lot of important ways, who was president in a time of widespread economic prosperity. Thats it. Why is he being less than amorous towards Obama? Well thats obvious isn't it? He slipped his dick in another girls mouth, and is trying desperately to make amends to his wife by foolishly avoiding leveling any real praise to the one that vanquished her in the primaries. I didn't see Bill at the RNC praising McCain, I saw him at the DNC announcing his complete support for Obama. The guy is just being over protective of his wife because we all know he has a lot to make up for with her.
Are you kidding me Ogami? You actually want to use as your example for your argument an Act that has turned out to be part of this problem, that was written and sponsored in the congress by republican Senator Phil Gramm... who until just 2 months ago was the campaign co-chair and chief economic adviser to John McCain?
Also, you want to know how that bill was passed in the senate? It was passed by a 54-44 margin. You know what the numbers were in congress that year? 55 Republicans, 45 Democrats. Which means this Republican sponsored bill was voted for almost exclusively by Republicans, and almost unanimously against by democrats.
You're being disingenuous now, but I- I- dammit! I can't tell if you're attempting SATIRE or not. (I'm not hip, like the other kids on H.E.) We all know that Bill stopped making amends to his wife for his-dick-slippage-into-other-girls'-mouths long about before they even got married, right? So you were making a joke about that. Obviously. So, question remains: why would Bill Clinton be shilling for Senator McCain when he should be doing the exact opposite? Again: rhetorical. Anyway, sometimes it's just fun to unwind at the end of the day by posting comments to Jeff's site. But this is kind of silly. Nevermind.
Posted by Joshua Mooney at September 25, 2008 2:57 PM
Josh - "acted in good faith" is not shilling, no matter how you want to spin it. Clinton, for better or worse, has the strategy of trying to appeal to moderates an undecideds, rather than partisans who are already inclined to believe the best/worst of the candidates.
Posted by Richardson at September 25, 2008 3:05 PM
Unfortunately we all have forgotten the House is controlled by Democrats, and vetoed the old good McCain's bill limiting Freddie and Fannie. And completely ignored Greenspans warnings as well. Obama even was a member of a group who promoted questianable loans.
Oh, oh RIGHT! Sharpe1007. It's Obama's fault! "Greenspan's warnings..." Of COURSE they were there for all to see!! More fool me. Okay, I give up. You people are mocking me, mocking me, with your clever satire and I'm not smart enough to get it. Damn, but how I wish my mind worked like the likes of yours! I best get to a Will Ferrell thread, where I'm on more firm footing.
Posted by Joshua Mooney at September 25, 2008 4:09 PM
I take your larger fucking point, okay? Fine. But I'm not trying to "spin" anything. Gimme a break. I may have spouted off a lot of random bullshit on Jeff's site, but I've never tried to "spin" anything. I'm not a fucking politician, and I'd never even suggest to another citizen how he or she should vote. Me, I vote, and I send nominal cash when I can to those candidates I support...This country's gotta make up its fucking mind. And I have to live with how it does so, or else move. That said, Clinton is doing a piss-poor job of "appealing to moderates," as I see it-- or else he has a darker purpose. I feel strongly the latter is the case. How is my feeling about this "spinning"?
Posted by Joshua Mooney at September 25, 2008 4:35 PM
Also, you want to know how that bill was passed in the senate? It was passed by a 54-44 margin. You know what the numbers were in congress that year? 55 Republicans, 45 Democrats. Which means this Republican sponsored bill was voted for almost exclusively by Republicans, and almost unanimously against by democrats.
Um, no:
"The bills were passed by a 54-44 vote largely along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives". (italics mine)
Posted by Ogami Itto at September 25, 2008 6:51 PM
moviesquad: "It sucks that the rest of the country has to pay for the housing mania that took place mostly in California, Nevada, and Florida. Pay for your own mess guys."
You do know Bush's brother and Arnie currently run Florida and Cali, right? Also, shouldn't you be asking the banks to pay for *their* mess?
Sharpel: "Unfortunately we all have forgotten the House is controlled by Democrats, and vetoed the old good McCain's bill limiting Freddie and Fannie."
The bill introduced was before the majority in the House consisted of Dems; and the Repugs allowed it to expire.
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comment #1
Ogami Itto
says ...
Slick Willy is out stumping for his candidate:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html
Posted by Ogami Itto
at September 25, 2008 11:11 AM
comment #2
moviesquad
says ...
It sucks that the rest of the country has to pay for the housing mania that took place mostly in California, Nevada, and Florida. Pay for your own mess guys.
Posted by moviesquad
at September 25, 2008 11:55 AM
comment #3
Emmanuel_Goldstein
says ...
You know, I usually like to be more of the restrained type that argues with a sense of control and patience. But seriously, here's one big giant fuck you to all of you republicans who have largely put us in the calamity we're currently facing. Remember when you tried to convince us all that Republicans are good for the economy and big business because supposedly Democrats wanted too much regulation that would ultimately stunt U.S. corporations and small businesses? Well, what do you have to say now you incompetent gas bags that have literally no substance and idea of the consequences of the ludicrous decisions you all make because they sound good to the largely uneducated bunch of followers that are your base. Your answer to everything? Deregulate, deregulate, and then when there's nothing more to deregulate lets relax the laws that govern these companies as well. Allow these companies to blindly over leverage themselves in terribly risky investments with someone else's money, and then when you realize you just bet the bank on the hope that home prices would continue to appreciate at near record levels when the bubble was already beyond full from years of mega gains, what are you to do? Get your fucking dumbasses bailed out with taxpayer money. What's conservative about that? Is god going to be paying for part of this bailout plan or is it all on us main street citizens? Anyone that votes Republican in anything in this upcoming election is voting against their interests, the interests of nearly all citizens that still care about wanting to have a bright future to look forward to. John McCain is a mirror image of George Bush, he's supported him 95% of the time, and you know what that means? If you vote for McCain, you are literally voting for a guy that would have done almost exactly what Bush has done over the last 8 years. How has that worked out? Open your eyes! Vote for your actual interests. Remember that under 8 years of President Bill Clinton, a young DEMOCRAT, smart and responsible, presided over some of the best economic years in our country's history. Forget how disastrous 4 more years of Bush/McCain policies would be for the lives of you and me, only 1 more year of this will be enough to be our complete undoing. Republicans have trashed everything our country was founded upon, and in the name of supposedly bringing democracy to the rest of the world, they've completely ignored it here at home, and you are letting them. We deserve everything we are getting right now, and only if we band together and listen to reason, put aside abortion or race or any of these other ideological differences, and vote for reason, vote for what we actually need to happen, will we restore the American dream and begin working to make the USA the country we and the rest of the world all need. Democrats are NOT pro-abortion, we're pro-choice. We don't shun god, we just don't think he has a place in politics, as it was originally agreed upon. Obama can make our country the envy of the world once more, not by doing it himself, but because he honestly invites and urges us to be part of the rebuilding, exactly the way it should be and ultimately the only way it can ever work to the unbelievable magnitude we're capable of. We can do amazing things if we're open and honest with each other instead of acting in secrecy and shadiness like the Republicans have done. Experience? Please, how do you value experience? Are you looking for experience in general, no matter what kind of experience it is? Because yes John McCain is the most experienced, but he's most experienced in exactly the kind of experience we are trying to get away from. Vote for reason. Vote for honesty and hope. Vote for yourself, and your friends and family. Vote Obama in 2008. Please, your country needs you, I need you, and you need yourself.
Posted by Emmanuel_Goldstein
at September 25, 2008 12:36 PM
comment #4
Richardson
says ...
Plant!
Posted by Richardson
at September 25, 2008 1:15 PM
comment #5
Joshua Mooney
says ...
Mr. Goldstein: Assuming (for the sake of argument )that this is your actual screed, you make a few valid points, amidst the hyperbole, and the re-stating of the obvious, which goes on rather too long, yeah? And, but, yeah, okay, but... so, like, why the FUCK is your hero Bill Clinton shilling for McCain now? That's a rhetorical question? But I'd still like to hear your answer?
Posted by Joshua Mooney
at September 25, 2008 1:20 PM
comment #6
Joshua Mooney
says ...
Hey Richardson: Why drag Robert Plant into this? He'll either agree to the Zeppelin reunion or not. I think the odds are dead-set against it. But I live in hope.
Posted by Joshua Mooney
at September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
comment #7
Emmanuel_Goldstein
says ...
I never said Clinton was my hero did I? I simply said what is a fact, that Bill Clinton was a democrat, who you could favorably compare to Obama in a lot of important ways, who was president in a time of widespread economic prosperity. Thats it. Why is he being less than amorous towards Obama? Well thats obvious isn't it? He slipped his dick in another girls mouth, and is trying desperately to make amends to his wife by foolishly avoiding leveling any real praise to the one that vanquished her in the primaries. I didn't see Bill at the RNC praising McCain, I saw him at the DNC announcing his complete support for Obama. The guy is just being over protective of his wife because we all know he has a lot to make up for with her.
Posted by Emmanuel_Goldstein
at September 25, 2008 1:32 PM
comment #8
Ogami Itto
says ...
This bill created the conditions conducive to our country's financial mess:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
Supported by Democrats and Republicans, ratified by that great Democratic President, William Jefferson Clinton.
The folks responsible for these problems are now going to fix them?
Really??
Posted by Ogami Itto
at September 25, 2008 1:41 PM
comment #9
Emmanuel_Goldstein
says ...
Are you kidding me Ogami? You actually want to use as your example for your argument an Act that has turned out to be part of this problem, that was written and sponsored in the congress by republican Senator Phil Gramm... who until just 2 months ago was the campaign co-chair and chief economic adviser to John McCain?
Also, you want to know how that bill was passed in the senate? It was passed by a 54-44 margin. You know what the numbers were in congress that year? 55 Republicans, 45 Democrats. Which means this Republican sponsored bill was voted for almost exclusively by Republicans, and almost unanimously against by democrats.
Posted by Emmanuel_Goldstein
at September 25, 2008 2:29 PM
comment #10
Joshua Mooney
says ...
Mr. Goldstein,
You're being disingenuous now, but I- I- dammit! I can't tell if you're attempting SATIRE or not. (I'm not hip, like the other kids on H.E.) We all know that Bill stopped making amends to his wife for his-dick-slippage-into-other-girls'-mouths long about before they even got married, right? So you were making a joke about that. Obviously. So, question remains: why would Bill Clinton be shilling for Senator McCain when he should be doing the exact opposite? Again: rhetorical. Anyway, sometimes it's just fun to unwind at the end of the day by posting comments to Jeff's site. But this is kind of silly. Nevermind.
Posted by Joshua Mooney
at September 25, 2008 2:57 PM
comment #11
Richardson
says ...
Josh - "acted in good faith" is not shilling, no matter how you want to spin it. Clinton, for better or worse, has the strategy of trying to appeal to moderates an undecideds, rather than partisans who are already inclined to believe the best/worst of the candidates.
Posted by Richardson
at September 25, 2008 3:05 PM
comment #12
Sharpel007
says ...
Unfortunately we all have forgotten the House is controlled by Democrats, and vetoed the old good McCain's bill limiting Freddie and Fannie. And completely ignored Greenspans warnings as well. Obama even was a member of a group who promoted questianable loans.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
Posted by Sharpel007
at September 25, 2008 3:23 PM
comment #13
Joshua Mooney
says ...
Oh, oh RIGHT! Sharpe1007. It's Obama's fault! "Greenspan's warnings..." Of COURSE they were there for all to see!! More fool me. Okay, I give up. You people are mocking me, mocking me, with your clever satire and I'm not smart enough to get it. Damn, but how I wish my mind worked like the likes of yours! I best get to a Will Ferrell thread, where I'm on more firm footing.
Posted by Joshua Mooney
at September 25, 2008 4:09 PM
comment #14
Joshua Mooney
says ...
Richardson:
I take your larger fucking point, okay? Fine. But I'm not trying to "spin" anything. Gimme a break. I may have spouted off a lot of random bullshit on Jeff's site, but I've never tried to "spin" anything. I'm not a fucking politician, and I'd never even suggest to another citizen how he or she should vote. Me, I vote, and I send nominal cash when I can to those candidates I support...This country's gotta make up its fucking mind. And I have to live with how it does so, or else move. That said, Clinton is doing a piss-poor job of "appealing to moderates," as I see it-- or else he has a darker purpose. I feel strongly the latter is the case. How is my feeling about this "spinning"?
Posted by Joshua Mooney
at September 25, 2008 4:35 PM
comment #15
Ogami Itto
says ...
Also, you want to know how that bill was passed in the senate? It was passed by a 54-44 margin. You know what the numbers were in congress that year? 55 Republicans, 45 Democrats. Which means this Republican sponsored bill was voted for almost exclusively by Republicans, and almost unanimously against by democrats.
Um, no:
"The bills were passed by a 54-44 vote largely along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives". (italics mine)
Posted by Ogami Itto
at September 25, 2008 6:51 PM
comment #16
D.Z.
says ...
moviesquad: "It sucks that the rest of the country has to pay for the housing mania that took place mostly in California, Nevada, and Florida. Pay for your own mess guys."
You do know Bush's brother and Arnie currently run Florida and Cali, right? Also, shouldn't you be asking the banks to pay for *their* mess?
Sharpel: "Unfortunately we all have forgotten the House is controlled by Democrats, and vetoed the old good McCain's bill limiting Freddie and Fannie."
The bill introduced was before the majority in the House consisted of Dems; and the Repugs allowed it to expire.
Posted by D.Z.
at September 25, 2008 10:31 PM
comment #17
janee
says ...
Si vous etes interesses par le dossier, ou desirez en savoir plus, contactez-moi par mail, et je vous mettrai en contact.
Best regards,Jane, CEO of hyper v high availability
Posted by janee
at May 18, 2011 4:02 AM