I just wrote L.A. Weekly critic Scott Foundas about an interesting terminology matter that's cropped up over the past week or so. It's basically about the 21st Century definition of porn, or rather the expanded cultural "street" definition that doesn't apply to sex. I love chasing new terms and understandings, but I'm not quite 100% on all the wrinkles here so I'm asking for counsel.
"I was amused by and posted a comment from a reader who said that Revolutionary Road "looks to be the Citizen Kane of Gen X marital-strife porn." It may be that a certain party on the DreamWorks marketing team has taken this as a slam against the Sam Mendes film, which it isn't. What 'porn' means in this context is (and tell me if I'm wrong) an obsessive waist-deep immersion in any intense or demanding or melodramatic activity, be it war or Wall Street or baseball or politics or anything.
"In your L.A. Weekly review of Body of Lies," I continued, "you used the term 'terror porn,' which came from a colleague who had amusingly used this term to describe the entire wave of recent Middle East Hollywood espionage movies -- Syriana, The Kingdom, Rendition, Body of Lies. Does this mean your friend regards these films as somehow lewd or marked by questionable taste? Not unless you're Ed McMahon. He's saying they're extremely immersive, whole-hog experiences. I mean...right?
"Does 'porn' in this context allude to something obsessive or repetitive? I'm not sure if it does. What do you think? I've only been using this term recently. I do know that the older crowd flinches when they hear it, presuming that it means something icky or distasteful. A journalist friend has this same reaction yesterday, but he's now coming to terms with the new definition.
Foundas replies: "Basically, I think 'porn' when it is used in the context of 'terror porn' (per the colleague I cited in my Body of Lies review) or "disability porn" (as I referred to Julian Schnabel's The Diving Bell and the Butterfly) or even 'torture porn' (which is probably where all these other 'porn' derivations started) has less to do with obsession and repetition than with a certain superficiality or tastelessness -- in other words, the idea that the thing being classified as 'porn' is somehow being used shamelessly to manipulate or titillate the audience, without any serious comment being made on the subject at hand.
"So the person who says that Revolutionary Road looks like 'the Citizen Kane of Gen X marital-strife porn' probably means to imply that somehow the iconography of middle-class domestic unrest is being used for its iconographic value and little deeper meaning. Of course, it's partly an inane comment, in that Revolutionary Road takes place in the 1950s, so it has nothing whatsoever to do with Gen X, but I digress."
[Wells comment: I took the GenX thing to mean an allusion to Kate and Leo's own generational alignment, although the reader may have cooked it up in ignorance of the '50s backdrop in Revolutionary Road.]
"To offer another example, I myself tried to address some of what you seem to be getting at here in my LA Weekly review of Grace is Gone last December, where I wrote:
"[Strouse has] devised Grace Is Gone to work on our sentiments the way a porn movie works on our libidos -- only Strouse postpones the money shot with 80-odd minutes of emotional foreplay en route to the inevitable, orgiastic climax where Stanley finally spills the beans and the girls spill forth the entire contents of their tear ducts. It's a horribly contrived bit of catharsis, and, as if to underline the crassness of his instincts, Strouse drowns out the dialogue of that crucial scene with music -- a reminder that, in all pornography, talk is expendable."
Wells response: If Foundas' definition of porn ("shameless manipulation or titillatation of the audience, without any serious comment being made on the subject at hand") is more commonly understood than my own ("an obsessive waist-deep immersion in any intense or demanding or melodramatic activity") then it was wrong -- incorrect -- to run that "Citizen Kane of GenX marital-strife porn" line because no one's seen Mendes' film and has any clue if it's shamelessly manipulative or not. I rather doubt that it is, knowing Mendes'work as I do. So it's probably best to drop it and put the whole porn issue to bed.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on October 10, 2008 at 9:57 AM
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T. S. Idiot
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McCain-Pallin are the ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET CAPTAIN KIDD of campaign porn.
Posted by T. S. Idiot
at October 10, 2008 10:29 AM
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Deathtongue_Groupie
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Guess you were out of pocket last summer when everyone was talking about the latest slasher films, especially Hostel 2, as "torture porn." But this was only the latest permutation of the word, as there had already been instances of other things being reduced to just their visceral essences so that obsessive can wallow in them without all the filler.
And this is a usage exclusively limited to educated and snarky types, nothing - cultural or otherwise - "street" about it.
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at October 10, 2008 10:34 AM
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gruver1
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Wells to T.S. Idiot: That's pretty good. Charles Laughton played Captain Kidd in that one, no? Yesterday George Will described Palin as McCain's "Sancho Panza."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/a_landslide_coming.html
Posted by gruver1
at October 10, 2008 10:39 AM
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tmurry
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I think the term carries more implication of audience need than the nature of the experience provided. Porn now refers to scratching an itch, and implies a lack of audience standards, so that the experience (movies, TV, books, whatever) just become coal for the fire, good or bad, doesn't really matter. People will, presumably, watch a lot of the stuff they respond to uncritically. This probably started with the Food Network, a seemingly odd idea, calling attention to the idea that people would watch things they like in an indulgent, gratuitous way. There is a lot of porn out there. Architecture/building porn (see Breach for a DC example of this), travel porn, interior design porn... just about any odd thing that has it's own channel is porn. Wildlife porn needs a better name though.
Posted by tmurry
at October 10, 2008 10:44 AM
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gruver1
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Of course I remember the Eli Roth "torture porn" term, but that was more literal. It described a kind of sadistically violent pornography -- blood on the floor and severed limbs instead of boobs and ass cheeks. It's not the same with the term "terror porn" or "Genx marital strife porn." The term is evolving and shape-shifting as we speak. The train is moving on to the next station.
Posted by gruver1
at October 10, 2008 10:45 AM
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p.Vice
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This type of definition of "porn" isn't new. I remember friends calling Merchant Ivory movies furniture porn back in 1992.
Deathtongue hits it pretty well but I think this definition is also partially about the exploitive element. It says as much about the maker as it does about the viewer.
Posted by p.Vice
at October 10, 2008 10:47 AM
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Gordie Lachance
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Isn't the term porn in this context just a synonym for exploitation of something?
Posted by Gordie Lachance
at October 10, 2008 10:49 AM
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BurmaShave
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So is ZACK & MIRI porn porn?
Posted by BurmaShave
at October 10, 2008 10:58 AM
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Mark
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As Freud would say, don't discount the importance of sex, especially in defining the word porn. It's ALL about getting the audience off. Maybe they won't physically cream their pants during the Murder Death Kill pornography of the last Rambo e.g., though raising of testerone levels and whatever that leads to was definitely intended.
Posted by Mark
at October 10, 2008 10:58 AM
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hatchetface
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I think the "____-porn" phrases are referring to a sort of morbid, venal urge to gaze or be fascinated by unpleasant, unwholesome happenings.Although, it seems like people are starting to attach it to anything they don't care for, and don't want to spend their time with.
Posted by hatchetface
at October 10, 2008 11:03 AM
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Bocephus
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I think with food network the porn element is a little more intense. The heightened sounds that the cooking produces, the vibrant colors, the sounds and faces that the hosts make.
I often watch food network while eating my boring morning grains or ramen snacks. Although I never thought of it as a masturbatory act, maybe it is?
Posted by Bocephus
at October 10, 2008 11:17 AM
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Josh Massey
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It's pretty simple: "porn," in this context, is codeword for something that attempts to get you off.
Posted by Josh Massey
at October 10, 2008 11:18 AM
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Chapman Carruthers
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>>> There is a lot of porn out there. Architecture/building porn (see Breach for a DC example of this), travel porn, interior design porn... just about any odd thing that has it's own channel is porn. Wildlife porn needs a better name though.
Don't forget christianist, red-state porn, possibly the most insidious and distrurbing variety of porn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
Posted by Chapman Carruthers
at October 10, 2008 11:20 AM
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VoiceOfReason
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This post is inane blogger porn.
Posted by VoiceOfReason
at October 10, 2008 11:22 AM
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slutsky
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I think hatchetface comes closest. To me, this term involves a certain amount of titillation, and in these contexts, the titillation is provided by something that wouldn't, or shouldn't, normally provoke that kind of reaction—like marital strife.
Posted by slutsky
at October 10, 2008 11:30 AM
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Sean
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tmurry and Josh Massey have it. A similar linguistic phenomenon is the acculturation of "money shot." I disagree with hatchetface that the subject needs to be unpleasant or unwholesome, at least on its face. For instance, a bridal magazine is almost always 100% wedding porn, but it's not unwholesome on its face -- it's only unwholesome insofar as it's porn.
Posted by Sean
at October 10, 2008 11:46 AM
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Edward
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Am I the only person troubled by the reimagining of words like "porn"? I think using porn in so many contexts diminishes the power of the word, but maybe I'm just being curmudgeonly as I join the ranks of senior citizens. I also think baseball should do away with the designated hitter, because it diminishes the game.
Posted by Edward
at October 10, 2008 11:54 AM
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TheJERMSguy
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I think it's a conspiracy by pornographers to make pornography more acceptable by making everything porn. Reading these posts, I'm getting a Monty Python song stuck in my head, but replace the word spam with porn.
Posted by TheJERMSguy
at October 10, 2008 12:13 PM
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bmcintire
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As tired of the "_____ porn" phrasing as I am sure to become, it is at least nowhere as coffee-mug simplistic and grating as the whole stupid "____ -a-holic" bullshit was in the '80s and '90s.
Posted by bmcintire
at October 10, 2008 1:10 PM
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Deathtongue_Groupie
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Hate to shatter TheJERMSguy & others' worldview, but porn has been acceptable for going on 20 years now. There's a reason why the Justice Department (gee, glad all those terrorists have been rounded up and no one smuggles drugs anymore...) went after someone like Max Hardcore: a typical Vivid movie isn't going to move a jury to convict for obscenity anymore (well, a non-Utah jury at least).
As of 2001 (the last year I could surf up a reliable figure) American adult entertainment made $10B, $4B was video. That ain't all college guys and dirty old men. Almost every couple I know has a few tapes/discs hidden away in the bedroom. Single guy friends say that most women they are dating these days either have watched or owns X-rated vids.
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at October 10, 2008 1:18 PM
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MilkMan
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'All I know is that I would rather watch an actual porn than see another Sam Mendes movie.'
'What are you talking about? Sam Mendes is a great director. Jarhead is one of the best movies about war I've ever seen.'
'I didn't like it. And I didn't like Road to Perdition. And I hated American Beauty.'
'That's what everyone says now. But everyone liked it when it came out.'
'I didn't.'
'Yes you did.'
'How do you know I liked it? You weren't there.'
'Yes, I was. I was sitting next to you and you were totally into that movie.'
'I think that had more to do with Kevin Spacey and Conrad Hall than Sam Mendes. Spacey basically edited the film and Hall was responsible for the look. Mendes was a proxy, a friend of Spacey's.'
'Oh you're such an insider.'
'So if I gave you a choice right now of watching Teenstravaganza #8 or going to see Revolutionary Road, what would you choose?'
'Revolutionary Road.'
'Liar.'
'I haven't watched porn since I was a teenager.'
'Liar. You were just watching some when I walked in.'
'That wasn't porn. It was a Mexican art film.'
Posted by MilkMan
at October 10, 2008 2:23 PM
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adorian
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A few years ago, I heard someone say that old men watch the flood and hurricane and tornado damage on the Weather Channel because they are addicted to weather porn.
Posted by adorian
at October 10, 2008 4:12 PM
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PastePotPete
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I remember coming out of Road To Perdition and saying it was '30s Gangster Porn'. My usage was meant to convey that to me the whole thing was about making a movie about 30s gangsters, not because the story was anything particularly great(if it was entirely about the story, they could've easily placed it in a more modern era and saved themselves $60mil). It was just an excuse for the actors to wear slouch hats and trenchcoats and play with tommy guns, and the director and production designer to play around with trappings they liked from other, better movies.
Which is basically what Tarantino does, he's just more honest about it.
Posted by PastePotPete
at October 11, 2008 2:00 AM
comment #24
Som12H8
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porn = exploitation
pr0n = pornography
get with it
Posted by Som12H8
at October 11, 2008 6:04 AM