comment #1

actionman says ...

Palin was a complete and utter joke. It was rather sickening, to be honest.

comment #2

iamwhoiam says ...

The fact that Pailn was even in that debate, is a sick joke.

comment #3

Reedyb says ...

The thing that struck me most was how much Sarah Palin seemed to be channeling Andy Griffith from A Face in the Crowd.

All those little winks at the camera, the "gosh darns" and "I'm not from Washington" one-liners. She kept talking about "blunders in Washington, but acted like they just magically happened and her party had nothing to do with it.

Can't you hear her backstage talking with her handlers, just like Lonesome Rhodes.

"Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that's got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle. They're mine! I own 'em! They think like I do. Only they're even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for 'em., you just wait and see. I'm gonna be the power behind the president!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYdiUnfCVlY

comment #4

swordandpen says ...

The way Palin simply doesn't react and goes right back to regurgitating talking points after Biden chokes up was telling.

comment #5

doobiedoo says ...

she lost me at "'May-eye call ya Joe?"

comment #6

corey3rd says ...

You got a sense that Biden thought of that time. All Palin did was read off her McCain approved notecards. She had all the sincerity of a Fox News Anchor.

comment #7

snackyx says ...

Why do I think "Gosh darn it, Mr. Putin, lets get to sittin' down and hammer out this deal!" wouldn't cut it?

comment #8

duck dodgers says ...

The debate revealed someone dangerously ill-briefed and unprepared for the presidency. Unfortunately, it was the 60-year-old Senator who probably will be vice president shortly, who thinks we threw Hezbollah out of Lebanon with the French (I hear there's no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, either), clearly doesn't understand the role of the Vice President in the body he's served in for three decades, claims Obama said he'd never meet with Ahmadinejad when it still says so on the Obama website, and bungled the figures on who Obama plans to jack up taxes on (anyone over $200K, Biden said everyone under $250K is unaffected).

Thank God there's... a couple of years in the Illinois State Senate leading the ticket.

comment #9

JaySmack says ...

Biden had the "moment" of the night. Palin's memorized talking points about white flags and "Oh, Joe, there you go again," are already forgotten.
VP debates are visceral and Biden grabbed people's guts. He made it where people were startled into forgetting the sarcastic and disrepsectful insults Palin threw and were reminded there's something serious at stake.

By the way, did anyone else notice that Governor Hockey Mom didn't give a single answer to ANYTHING? And it was SO annoying to hear her rambling, incompehensible rantings where she struggled to string as many focus-group tested buzzwords onto a sentance as she could.

Last night's debate was a net loss for McCain. He needed a miracle and it didn't come.
Palin didn't choke. That;s the ONLY good thing you could say abuot her, Problem is people ALREADY think she isn't up to the job and have made up their minds on that point. All she did last night was not have a deer in the headlights moment.
That's not a success, it's merely survival.

comment #10

whirlofagirl says ...

That's the moment the hubby and I did a terrorist fist bump--he had it in the bag.

comment #11

NotImpressedYet says ...

I'm dismayed that much of the media is playing last night as a positive for Palin. Ah, the wonders of barely exceeding the lowest of expectations...

comment #12

coxcable says ...

You know who the big winner of the debate was last night?

Tom Cruise.

Every time Palin used the word "maverick" most people recalled the actor in his prime. Culturally he owns that one. And the context was meant to be a bad-ass reference to that. "We're like Tom Cruise in Top Gun!"

The problem is, in Top Gun, Cruise WASN'T a maverick at all. He just posed and shrugged and flashed his big grin. Nothing to show but cuteness. No sexual chemistry with his lady. Couldn't even play the piano with Goose. A big phony.

More like the James Garner's Maverick.

comment #13

Joshua Mooney says ...

Reedyb: Well said!
Duck "Soviet"?

Biden won me over last night. I was never a fan, but I am now.

comment #14

NotImpressedYet says ...

Duck, you're way outside of even the republican mainstream and well into wingnut territory when you say Biden is "dangerously ill-briefed and unprepared". Do you realize how stupid you sound?

comment #15

DavidF says ...

I figured it out after some soul searching. Sarah Palin's performance reminded me of Phil Hartman as Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer with all her "aw shucks" stuff.

"Thank you! Thank you very much, thank you! First of all, let me say how happy I am to be your nominee for the United States Senate! [ applause ] You know.. thank you.. I don't really understand your Congress, or your system of checks and balances.. because, as I said during the campaign - I'm just a caveman! I fell on some ice, and later got thawed out by scientists. But there is one thing I do know - we must do everything in our power to lower the capital gains tax. Thank you! "

comment #16

Jake says ...

I was struck by how much Palin seemed to be channeling her Tina Fey caricature. The cutesy talk quickly became grating, and can you believe she actually resorted to winking on camera?

Biden started slowly, but was absolutely on fire by the end of it. Once he realized Palin couldn't go off script, he was able to attack John McCain at will. If a real candidate had been up there with him, this would've been regarded as a complete blow out.

It's actually a little scary that people are trying to spin this as a Palin victory. She didn't answer the questions, and visibly read from cards all night long. We already knew she could give a great speech, but this did nothing to show that she could think on her feet. I realize expectations were in the toilet, but...seriously.

comment #17

Craptastic says ...

The way Palin "answered" the moderator's questions reminded me of a 12 year old who has to memorize The Gettysburg Address and then recite it in front of her class.

Speaking fast, barely breaking at the end of a sentence in order to get to the next line and not showing any sense that she actually understood the meaning behind what she was saying.

Absolutely pathetic.

comment #18

duck dodgers says ...

No I don't, NotImpressedYet. Why don't you try making an actual argument instead of just namecalling?

comment #19

Bocephus says ...

I agree completely. Clueless, oblivious to the facts, gratingly cutesy, refused to answer any questions asked by the moderator, just a stupid person reciting talking points and lying through her teeth. She won the debate. She proved to the undecided idiots that she was "one of them."

Just remember that these tactics won Bush two terms.

comment #20

duck dodgers says ...

Joshua Mooney, do a Google search for "soviet domination Ford debate" and see what you get, it will all make sense then.

comment #21

lazarus says ...

So what's worse, Duck, bungling a question or two when you're actually giving thoughtful, unscripted answers, or failing to get into specifics on ANYTHING asked of you the entire night?

If Biden was ill-briefed and unprepared, then what does that make Palin by comparison? Will you use some kind of term like "over-rehearsed"?

The fact that you think Biden's definition of the vice president position was wrong, means you're another maniac who wants to give even more power to the executive branch, when it already has too much to begin with.

comment #22

frankbooth says ...

That's a great observation , DavidF. I think you're on to something. But there's one crucial difference: Palin is still frozen.

comment #23

Jay T. says ...

Game. Set. Match.

comment #24

Krazy Eyes says ...

On a purely emotional level this was definitely the moment of the debate that resonated the strongest with me.

There such a clamor over Palin's "mom" status that people forget that the other three candidates are parents as well and Biden in particular has done a pretty outstanding job considering the deck of cards he got dealt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fox pundits tries to spin this choke-up into a weakness though. I wouldn't even be surprised if someone there tried to spin the fact that he raised two boys alone into an attack on family values.

comment #25

Joshua Mooney says ...

Okay, "duck," thanks for that reminder of what the GOP was saying in '76. It struck me as quite similar to the absurdity of Palin last night. Clueless. utterly fucking clueless.

comment #26

bluestater says ...

Th' list of Biden's hallucinashuns keeps growin'--now up t'22! Fry mah hide!

Below, yo'll find a list of 14* lies Biden told last night, distributed by th' McCain campaign, as enny fool kin plainly see. Id jest note two observashuns: fust, when yo' tell sto'ies of thin's thet didnt happen wif th' frequency of Billy Joe Biden, coupled wif his fervent belief of these untrue an' inaccurate statements, ah dont reckon lie is th' appropriate term, dawgone it. Hallucinashuns seems mo'e accurate, ah reckon. Second, they missed a bunch, so Bidens list of li- er, hallucinashuns is fine beyond 14.

THE CONSTITUTION: Biden: "Vice President Cheney's been the dawgoned-est dangerous vice president we've had probably in South Car'linan histo'y. He has he has th' idea he don't reckanize thet Article ah of th' Consteetooshun defines th' role of th' vice president of th' United States, thass th' executive he wawks in th' executive branch. He sh'd unnerstan' thet. Ev'ryone sh'd unnerstan' thet."

As noted by th' McCain Camp, Article ah of th' Consteetooshun does not, in fack, define th' role of th' Vice President of th' United States. It defines th' role of th' legislative branch, otherwise known as th' branch in which Billy Joe Biden has sarved fo' th' last 36 years.

[A reader writes in notin' thet Article ah does menshun th' veep at one point "Th' Vice President of th' United States shall be President of th' Senate, but shall haf no Vote, unless they be equally divided, cuss it all t' tarnation." Howevah, by dexcribin' th' veep's role in th' legislature, it don't pow'ful he'p Biden's claim thet it "defines th' role, thass th' executive, he wawks in th' executive branch."]

IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING: Biden said thet th' U.S. spends mo'e in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six o' seven years.

Thet figger is off by 2000 percent.

KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON: Biden: When we kicked along wif France, we kicked Hezbollah outta Lebanon, ah said, an' Bareeck said, Move NATO fo'ces in thar. Fill th' vacuum, on account o' eff'n yo' dont knows eff'n yo' dont, Hezbollah will corntrol it.

Reuters reckons he meant t'refer t'Syria, but ah still doesn't reckon it'd be accurate t'say th' U.S. kicked Syria outta Lebanon, as enny fool kin plainly see. Th' Lebanese kicked Syria outta Lebanon, as enny fool kin plainly see.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT: Biden's statement thet McCain voted aginst th' Violence Aginst Wimmen Ack is accurate. But as Billy Bob Goo'byers notes, th' Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Mo'rison, th' Court ruled thet much of Biden's law was an unconsteetooshunal power grab by Congress of rights resarved t'th' states. Nobody voted aginst th' WAWA on account o' they suppo't violence aginst wimmen; they objecked on over cornstiushunal corncerns thet a Supreme Court majo'ity validated, cuss it all t' tarnation.

RESTAURANT: "Look, all yo' hafta does is hoof it down Union Street wif me in Wilmin'ton o' hoof it to Katie's Restaurant o' walk into Home Depot wif me whar ah spend a lot of time an' yo' ax ennybody in thar whether o' not th' economic an' fo'eign policy of this hyar administrashun has made them better off in th' last eight years."

Acco'din' t'this Delaware site, Katie's Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 t'30 years ago.

ARMS CONTROL TREATY: Biden: "Number two, wif regard t'arms corntrol an' weapons, nucular weapons require a nucular arms corntrol regime. John-Boy McCain voted aginst a Comprehensive Nucular-Test-Ban Treaty thet ev'ry Republican has suppo'ted, cuss it all t' tarnation."

ah have no idea whar Biden gits this hyar "ev'ry Republican has suppo'ted" claim, as 49 other Republican senato's voted 'no' wif McCain, as enny fool kin plainly see.

When th' roll was finally called on Ockober 13, th' resolushun t'ratify th' CTBT (includin' th' six safeguards thet Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote wif one abstenshun. (See th' votin' reco'd, cuss it all t' tarnation.) Fo'ty-four Democrats voted fo' ratificashun as did four Republicans: John-Boy Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffo'ds (R-VT), Go'don Smif (R-OR) an' Arlen Specker (R-PA). Fif'y Republican senato's an' one independent (Billy Bob Smif of Noo Virginny) voted aginst ratificashun, an' Senato' Billy Bob Byrd (D-WV) voted "present." Th' treaty fell 19 votes sho't of achievin' th' necessary two-thirds majo'ity necessary fo' ratificashun.

WEST BANK ELECTIONS: Biden: President Bush insisted on eleckshuns in th' Wess Bank, when ah said, an' others said, an' Bareeck Obama said, 'Trimenjus mistake. Hamas will win, as enny fool kin plainly see. Yo'll legitimize them, dawgone it.'"

Th' Warshin'ton Post's Glenn Kessler notes thet "Obama had been a senato' fo' only a few days when th' eleckshun took place, but eff'n he made sech statements, they did not appear in noos repo'ts o' transcripps thet is contained in th' Nexis o' Fackiva databases."

PAKISTANah WEAPONS: "Pakistan already has nucular weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nucular weapons. Pakistan's weapons kin already hit Israel an' th' Mediterranean, as enny fool kin plainly see."

ah won't quite chalk this hyar up as a lie/hallucinashun, but Biden is on shaky groun' hyar. (See below.) Th' distance between Israel an' Pakistan is 2,085 miles, o' 3355 kilometers. Th' longest-range existin' strategic missile in th' Pakistani arsenal has a range of 3000 kilometers, but it might haf longer range wif a lighter payload, cuss it all t' tarnation. (But how much kin yo' lighten a nucular payload?) They is wawkin' on developin' longer-range missiles; mebbe Biden knows of some development thet public sources does not yet knows about. Theo'etically, th' Pakistanis c'd put th' weapon on a boat an' then sail it t'th' targit, but by thet stan'ard, enny site on a coast in th' wo'ld is wifin their range.

ANOTHER UPDATE: This hyar site indicates thet th' top range of Pakistani missile thet kin carry a nucular warhaid is 1000 miles. By bein' off by 1,000 o' so, ah's now upgradin' this hyar to full lie/erro'/hallucinashun status.

comment #27

bluestater says ...

Facts are... Durrrrr... stubborn things. I love lamp.

comment #28

duck dodgers says ...

Bluestater, I'm sure LexG is pleased to no longer be the only one here with an unreadable style.

comment #29

Joshua Mooney says ...

Well, sho' nuff, Bluestate'ah, you dun convin'ced this-a heah librull to fix hisself and get wif de program. That'er Pres'dent Bush, he a mighty fine fella, awright? We's be lucky to have sech as he.

comment #30

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Duck Dodgers, I'm sure D.Z. is pleased to no longer be the only one here who publically expresses his clinically insane opinions.

comment #31

Jean says ...

Duck: France did have peace-keeping troops in Lebanon. Were you alive back then? I was, & I remember.

comment #32

DarthCorleone says ...

Am I imagining things, or was bluestater's post tweaked in an amusing way?

comment #33

Seen K says ...

Let's be honest, both VP candidates told a few whoppers last night.

However, Sarah Palin told what was undoubtedly the biggest lie of the debate. It turns out that Mr. Palmer, 3rd grade teacher at Gladys Wood Elementary, never agreed to give his students extra credit for staying up to watch the broadcast.

McCain camp representatives today failed to respond to inquiries regarding their blase attitude towards unearned grade boosting.

comment #34

D.Z. says ...

duck: "Unfortunately, it was the 60-year-old Senator who probably will be vice president shortly, who thinks we threw Hezbollah out of Lebanon with the French"

As opposed to turning the corner and the surge is working?

"(I hear there's no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, either)"

I hear that capturing Osama's not that important to fighting the war on terror.

"claims Obama said he'd never meet with Ahmadinejad when it still says so on the Obama website, "

Bush also said the same thing before asking for help from Carter.

"and bungled the figures on who Obama plans to jack up taxes on (anyone over $200K, Biden said everyone under $250K is unaffected)."

And Bush said the war be cheap.

"Thank God there's... a couple of years in the Illinois State Senate leading the ticket."

Yeah, we need the experience of a drunken failure and
a Creationist on our side.

"Why don't you try making an actual argument instead of just namecalling?"

Considering you're stumping for a party which wrote the book on that, the ball's in your court, buddy.

"Joshua Mooney, do a Google search for "soviet domination Ford debate" and see what you get, it will all make sense then."

You mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8rg9c4pUrg

David:http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/09/30/tomo/

Jake: "It's actually a little scary that people are trying to spin this as a Palin victory."

That's what they have to do in return for their corporate masters being allowed to monopolize information.

comment #35

dd says ...

However, Sarah Palin told what was undoubtedly the biggest lie of the debate. It turns out that Mr. Palmer, 3rd grade teacher at Gladys Wood Elementary, never agreed to give his students extra credit for staying up to watch the broadcast.

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