comment #1

Gordie Lachance says ...

eh....

Overzealous religious rhetoric is no more or less dangerous / crazy than the red state vs blue state crap. It's all retarded white noise, designed to rile up the mouth-breathers.

Nov 5 can not come soon enough. I'm actually looking forward to the New Great Depression, if only to hear people complain about something else for a change.

comment #2

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

This is why I would caution anyone to be very careful Election night about where you might celebrate an Obama victory. There's a certain segment who views him as literally evil and therefore you will be as well.

I remember very well how badly I saw some Republicans react in '92 when Bush took 12 years of GOP rule down with him. Obama winning is going to be 10 TIMES WORSE.

When the rallies with angry chants of "USA! USA!" have your recall the other association of "Nuremberg" other than the trail, you better believe the ugly, thuggish underbelly of the Right is going to slither out that night.

comment #3

Ogami Itto says ...

After the last couple of weeks I doubt that God wants to associate with McCain at this point -- who was it who said that even Jesus can't stand a loser?

comment #4

York "Budd" Durden says ...

It was HST. And the exact quote: "Jesus hated bald pussy."

comment #5

scooterzz says ...

this probably means nothing but it did encourage conversation with a friend as we ran errands this afternoon.....
in a six block radius of my n. hollywood home -- seven houses w/mccain-palin lawn signs.... 0 obama-biden signs

costco/burbank...14 mccain-palin bumper stickers...1 obama-biden bumper sticker...

in the burbank/airport center @ the staples-home depot area.... 9 mccain-palin stickers....0 obama-biden stickers......

means nothing, i know....but it did catch our eyes.....

comment #6

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Scooterzz - try the West Side. So far the only McCain/Palin anything I have seen was a bumper sticker.... on a car up from Orange county.

A friend just drove through New Mexico. She saw all of two McCain/Palin yard signs against 14 Obama ones, several bumper stickers and two murals painted on buildings.

comment #7

scooterzz says ...

deathtongue -- i would expect that on the west side but the new mexico sightings are certainly encouraging.....
my original observation, however, was that our route from noho-studio city-toluca lake-burbank showed far more mccain/palin sinage.... like i said, i know it means nothing but it was disconcerting (especially since that's show biz country).....

comment #8

Movie Watcher says ...

Here in Ohio I walk around the neighborhood 2 or 3 days a week. I see 10 McCain/Palin signs, and 3 to 4 Obama/Biden signs. I do think that Obama is going to win in Ohio. People are pissed over the economy.
Don't know if everyone saw this. Did you see on tv yesterday when McCain was giving a speech? A woman was talking to McCain and she said Obama was arab. McCain grabbed the microphone back and looked uneasy about the whole thing. That was not good.

comment #9

Redmond says ...

DeathTongue is right about being careful where you celebrate an Obama win. There's only one thing Evangelicals love more than Jesus: GUNS.* Put the two together and you just got shot by a "Crusader." AMERICA! GO!

*And, okay, money.

comment #10

Edward says ...

Pastor Conrad's obviously not very well educated. The last I knew Allah is the same God the "good" reverend prays to, and Buddhists don't pray to God.

comment #11

Ogami Itto says ...

http://the-uptake.groups.theuptake.org/en/videogalleryView/id/933/

comment #12

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Don't know about NoHo, but Burbank has always struck me as somewhat conservative. And Toluca Lake was home to Bob Hope and who spent so much time visiting Republican Presidents he once joke his favorite bed & breakfast in DC was the White House.

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It's not guns and mobs I worry about Nov 4th/5th, it's little packs of thugs with just fists, boots, bricks and bats who charge out into the night fueled on Palin's terrorist incitement who think that all Obama supporters are part of a super cell and must be dealt with by "real Ah-mur-ri-cans."

If you think that is hyperbole, read something a college educated (Pepperdine no less) ex-roommate wrote to me just yesterday:

"And yes I do fear for my safety under an Obama presidency, what happens if he does not get a bill passed by the senate or by congress- well of course it will be Racism....I have to hand it to your guys on the left, you guys are the real merchants of hatred.....Whose next, white males republicans and the jews??? or are we all the same now.???"

Now, this is a guy who likes to rant such things with large doses of exaggeration (he used to say that when the Chinese finally invade, the liberals will all be on Dockweiler Beach clapping and offering them martinis) which in the past he would back away from.

Not this time. I wrote back to him joking that after a few years of Obama policy successes, white male Republicans will be an endangered species. At which point it turned surreal:

"Stalin got rid of millions, is that what you people want to do to us? Why not just round us up, by voter registration, give us one chance to convert, if we refuse, put us on cattle cars and send us off to the death camps?.... Do you really want to kill people like me? Is that what your proposing/. maybe that is why people are reacting to what is happening... maybe I will look nice as a drawstring lamp in Michelle Obama's study..."

Apparently, he felt that didn't convey his case strongly enough and one last email followed 3 minutes later:

"Are you going to help Obama round us up. so we can be tied up, have a tire put around our necks, doused with gasoline and set on fire burning us alive... Obviously YOU WANT ME DEAD"

And how did this exchange get launched? Because I simply sent out to several friends that email that compares the records and circumstances of the two sets of candidates asking to consider the perception if they were exchanged (ie, Obama had 5 kids with one a pregnant teen).

Like I wrote, this is a college educated guy who is smart enough to see that McCain is more or less toast without a miracle. With everyone talking about "the Bradley Effect" and "Remember Kerry was ahead too" in the right wing echo chamber, the more mouth breathing segment will not face the fact that Obama is their next President until election night.

(sorry to get all D.Z. with a long post, but I felt it illustrated exactly the mood in some quarters on the other side).

comment #13

Rev. Slappy says ...

I hope this church has its non-profit status yanked.

comment #14

frankbooth says ...

Jeez, Deathtongue, your friend sounds like a nut. A nut with very poor writing skills.

It's an illuminating email, though. Are these guys really afraid they're gonna be marginalized? What percentage of CEOs are white men? Obviously not as many as there were in the Fifties, but I'll bet it's still a disproportionately high number.

Do they have visions of gold-toothed black gangsters running amok, emboldened by Obama's ascendancy?
"The law can't touch me, sucka, my man is the PRESIDENT!"

Do they think that a new "extreme affirmative action" bill will get them all fired and replaced by illiterate minorities from the 'hood? Or illegal aliens from Muslim countries?

There's some serious fear going around. If it's not racial, what's the source of it? (And I don't buy any of that generic "socialist" stuff, either. They say that about every Democrat. This goes deeper.)

comment #15

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

(damn, stupid TypeKey - ate my original answer)

Does go deeper - this election and the removal of Bush represents the beginning of the end of a group. Not sure what to call them, but they are ignorant, conservative Christian, self-entitled whites.

The are ignorant about politics, their own faith and the world around them. They have lived in a bubble for 50 years, tolerated and catered to because they were a dependable block of voters.

But the society has changed to the point where demographically, they are slipping into minority status. Worse for them, they are slipping out of the middle class which gave them their power. White & blue collar jobs that pay well and require no education beyond HS diplomas are becoming harder to find.

The overt racism that will scurry out as an Obama victory becomes more clear will drive more of the independents away and without the political capital they will be left behind to join the poor of Appalachia as relics of the past.

comment #16

frankbooth says ...

I'm all for that, but what remains of the Republican Party will be very scary indeed. The only ones left will be flat-out nationalists and religious loons.

I say we give 'em Texas, wave goodbye and call it a day. After we take their nukes away, of course.