comment #1

cinefan says ...

Palin has a lot on her mind right now. In addition to being on the verge of losing a major election, she's helping to plan the wedding of her daughter and the guy she was statutorily raped by.

comment #2

Rev. Slappy says ...

They kid that knocked up Palin's daughter has dropped out of high school. I guess we see how much the Governor respects education.

comment #3

Rev. Slappy says ...

My first post should read "the kid." Oops.

comment #4

btwnproductions says ...

I was surprised to see NBC News run an uncritical piece tonight about Palin's magic touch with the parents of special education children--the very programs that Republicans have cut. Where's the "liberal media" when you need them?

comment #5

Edward says ...

She's beyond dispicable.

comment #6

frankbooth says ...

But she's one of us!

comment #7

frankbooth says ...

I meant that in the Todd Browning sense, of course.

comment #8

Circumvrent says ...

I have to say, as much as I love Olbermann, I hate the idea of a "Special Comment." I know that he's aiming for the style of a Murrow or a Chronkite editiorial, but the guy can't be deluded enough to think that what he does is a straight new show. Everything he does is a special comment! What makes that any different from the rest?

comment #9

Josh Massey says ...

"I guess we see how much the Governor respects education."

And how exactly does she control a boy who is not her son?

The idiots are on both sides, which none of you seem to realize. Just listen to Howard Stern's interview with Obama supporters for starters.

comment #10

DarthCorleone says ...

Josh>> Point taken about the idiots. There is ignorance on both sides.

Here's the difference: how terrified are you that one our idiots is going to assassinate your candidate or will encourage such a mindset that would lead to that?

There is a world of difference between those folks on Howard Stern who didn't know policy specifics and Vice Presidential candidates and those bigots from the McCain-Palin mob who have been hurling those epithets (the original subject of Mr. Wells' post). And which breed of ignorance is worse? Don't even try to pretend they are equivalent.

comment #11

SpinDozer says ...

'The idiots are on both sides...'

Such modesty, I concede that the majority of idiots belong to the Libertarian free-traders and the their incestuous siblings, the GOP. Happy now?

comment #12

Josh Massey says ...

"Here's the difference: how terrified are you that one our idiots is going to assassinate your candidate or will encourage such a mindset that would lead to that?"

Close your eyes. Picture the day after a McCain win. Picture a day after an Obama win.

Which day do you see more violence? Seriously.

comment #13

DarthCorleone says ...

Forgive the typo, i.e., my omitted "of."

Let's assume for a moment that you're correct. McCain wins, and riots follow. (For the record, I don't think that's a given. We're not talking about the Rodney King verdict or the O.J. guilty verdict that never came; those were perceived miscarriages of justice. This - barring a close election and suspicious activity at the voting booths - is not analogous.)

Certainly that would be ugly and shameful. But what percentage of those destructive criminals using that event as an excuse to wreak mayhem would have actually bothered to vote for Obama? I'm betting it wouldn't be high.

Hence, you're shifting the topic here. We're talking about the rhetoric of the campaign right now. Our idiots vs. your idiots. The discourse of which side is less healthy for our country?

comment #14

D.Z. says ...

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comment #15

iamwhoiam says ...

She is vile and he's a weasel. They will make America and the world to miss George Bush. If not the race factor, this race should have been over by now.

comment #16

Mjs says ...

"Close your eyes. Picture the day after a McCain win. Picture a day after an Obama win.

Which day do you see more violence? Seriously."

I see more violence the day after an Obama win. It's absolutely astounding, check that, it's absolutely pitiful that you almost seem to think this is okay. Have you any videos of people screaming to kill McCain? I didn't think so. Until you do, maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop trying to spin death threats on a presidential candidate.

You actually compared death threats to some uninformed voters. Look, I know killing isn't a big deal for you right wingers, especially killing brown people, but the rest of us have had enough. Start killing your own kind for awhile which would be sexless, old, white men and idiotic women that are in way over their head.

comment #17

swordandpen says ...

Close your eyes. Picture the day after a McCain win. Picture a day after an Obama win.

Which day do you see more violence? Seriously.

Posted by Josh Massey

Haven't the last several hundred times white people have pulled out the "Black people are going to riot" prediction resulted in absolutely nothing happening?

Fear-mongering much?

comment #18

Rich S. says ...

The fact that Palin and McCain have not spoken more forcefully to this issue is deplorable. They should do whatever it takes to shut this down and shut it down now.

That said, I have not yet seen anyone questioning whether some of these rabble-rousers might not be plants. Not all, certainly. But having seen how both sides have been behaving the past few weeks (more Obama supporters than Obama himself), I don't think it's far-fetched to suggest that some of this hate speech might be coming from some far-left types intending to show what a horrible mob righties are.

Still doesn't excuse McCain and Palin, though.

comment #19

Josh Massey says ...

"those were perceived miscarriages of justice."

A McCain win, even if it's 100% legitimate, will NEVER be accepted by a huge number - probably a majority - of Obama voters. (Hell, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, many still think Gore was robbed). It will be, in many eyes, the biggest miscarriage of justice in the nation's history - Diebold will be blamed, Rove will be blamed, racism will be blamed, the old standby "disenfranchisement" will be blamed, evil poll workers who somehow are never proved to exist will be blamed. Basically everything will take a shot except for the idea that maybe McCain got more votes in the Electoral College.

Ask yourself, if the headlines on Nov. 5th say "McCain wins," will your conspiracy theory hat not go on?

And no, I'm not defending any of the yahoos at the McCain rallys. But the more it keeps happening, and the more it gets reported, the more I start to put on my own conspiracy theory hat.

comment #20

theultimatebiu says ...

If McCain wins legitametley than people will accept that most American's just don't know what is good for them. Everyone accepted Kerry's defeat so I don't see why no one would accpet Obama's defeat.

I would like to see Sarah actually call out the racist mobs, she has been the one revving them

comment #21

bents75 says ...

Forget black people rioting. I'll willingly concede, as a 26 year old white male, from Pennsyvlania, that I'll be willing to riot myself if McCain wins. I plan on taking off work November 5th one way or the other. I'll either be sleeping late from being up celebrating an optimistic future for the first time in 8 years, or I'll be ready to find someone who actually voted for McCain so that I can punch them square in the face.

I'm not ashamed in the slightest bit to say it. The last 8 years of my life, or roughly one third of it, will be a lesson in future history books. I have no interest in living another embarrassing chapter for the next four.

You tell me where to sign up for the next revolution, and I'll be there.

comment #22

richlb says ...

I know Olbermann and the rest of the left blogosphere likes to jump on this stuff, but the reason Olbermann is NOT a journalist is because he fails to get facts correct before shooting his mouth off. The comment was made at 1:25 ET, more than a half-hour before Palin and her husband Todd showed up at the event.

comment #23

buster says ...

A few random McCain supporters advocate violence against Obama, while hundreds/thousands of Obama supporters show aggression and a deep-seeded hatred towards McCain supporters. And which side is calling themselves righteous?

If these people at these rallies are sincerely advocating violence (we have to allow for some small possibility they are mischief-making Obama supporters) , then there's no question what should be done with them. No one is contesting that. But the behavior that I have seen exhibited by many, many Obama supporters (whether it be on message boards, in the streets, or at rallies) is nearly as reprehensible. Where are calls for their civility?

The guy up top who said both sides are filled with ignorance is right. Only blind, smug fools would contest that notion (and I must say how surprising it is to see Jeff Wells' comments section filled with such fools, this last bastion of free thought and expression).

comment #24

theultimatebiu says ...

buster, that is a enormous load of crap.
I have hardly seen any agressive attitude from Obama supporters...if anything Obama supporters are far too optomisitc and snobbish to do that.

The anger has majoritly been from the republican campaign and its supporters. With every election what you always see is that the supporters attitude actually mirrors that of the campaign. Obama's camapign has been far more positive than McCain....by a large margin.

comment #25

corey3rd says ...

While Levi isn't yet her son-in-law, Palin should tell the kid that he needs to at least finish high school. She'll pay for the baby's costs until Levi graduates. Isn't the daughter still on mom's health insurance anyway?

Keith needs to vent about McCain and Palin allowing folks to go unchallenged when demanding the murder of a presidential candidate. Sure he had to tell that old coot of a woman she was wrong when she said Obama was an Arab because he had zero wall of deniability in that moment. But as long as he can claim he wasn't on stage, he has no control over the moment.

And what's up with McCain having a guy who attacks cocktail waitresses come up with his new campaign theme song based on a tune about getting drunk and high to escape your old man's shadow?

comment #26

twilightgal says ...

Sarah Palin really started this in Florida last week. The campaign surrogates have been stoking the flames of hatred with bogus emails etc...But she let the genie out of the bottle when she said that Obama "pals around with terrorists" and (paraphrasing) is not quite the a same kind of American as you and me. The campaign has also been calling Joe Biden a "turncoat". Any writer worth his or her salt should be able to see a well thought out narrative at work here. It is purposeful and hateful.

comment #27

D.Z. says ...

Josh: "Hell, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, many still think Gore was robbed)"

That's because there isn't really a mountain of evidence, and the stuff that was made available was through Dubya's brother.

buster: "A few random McCain supporters advocate violence against Obama, while hundreds/thousands of Obama supporters show aggression and a deep-seeded hatred towards McCain supporters."

And you know this, because...?

"But the behavior that I have seen exhibited by many, many Obama supporters (whether it be on message boards, in the streets, or at rallies) is nearly as reprehensible. Where are calls for their civility?"

Oh, I'm sorry. When are you going to apologize for all those millions of Iraqis and thousands of American troops your party murdered again?

comment #28

D.Z. says ...

and=aside from

comment #29

SaveFarris says ...

Everyone accepted Kerry's defeat

Rolling Stone didn't: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Harvey Wasserman and Amy Goodman didn't: http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/17/harvey_wasserman_on_new_ohio_voting

Dennis Kuchinich didn't: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1110-31.htm

Jesse Jackson didn't: http://web.archive.org/web/20050324151548/http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5c%5cPolitics%5c%5carchive%5c%5c200412%5c%5cPOL20041208b.html

Thom Hartmann didn't: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1129-26.htm

Hillary Clinton didn't: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-clinton-claims-2004-elections-stolen-in-ohio

comment #30

D.Z. says ...

Farris: So that's not really everyone, now is it?

comment #31

buster says ...

theultimate: there are plenty of videos of rabid Obama supporters verbally assaulting McCain supporters. Now I normally do not give too much credence to videos (with their lack of context), but I have experienced such venom first hand by simply questioning certain policy decisions being suggested by Obama. I have also seen, as a curious Obama who has attended local McCain rallies, other Obama supporters doing their best to disrupt and destroy the ability of McCain supporters to assemble.

People somehow take my attacks on Obama's sycophants as an attack on the candidate. I am disgusted by my fellow supporters who consider themselves open-minded and enlightened yet behave like animals at the slightest hint of an alternative viewpoint. It happens here all the time. Just as very few Christians behave like Christ, very few Obama supporters behave like Obama. I speak out against poorly-behaved BO supporters because I believe the worse we behave, the more votes we push to the other side.

comment #32

DarthCorleone says ...

Ask yourself, if the headlines on Nov. 5th say "McCain wins," will your conspiracy theory hat not go on?

That would depend upon the circumstances and the evidence at hand. As I said, I certainly don't think this reaction you theorize is the given that you do. No doubt pundits would speak and theories would be discussed ad nauseam regardless of the final vote tally, but would the general public react violently? I just don't see it. Perhaps I don't mix in the combustible liberal circles that you imagine, but most of the Obama supporters I know greet the idea of McCain's victory with a sort of resigned depression about the mindset of our country as opposed to some sort of call to outrage and revolution.

Basically everything will take a shot except for the idea that maybe McCain got more votes in the Electoral College.

Funny you say that, because if John McCain lost the popular vote and won the Electoral College, that would be the one thing that would most immediately draw my scrutiny and criticism. I'm one of the people you mention that thinks Gore was essentially robbed, but not because of any shenanigans in Florida that did or did not happen. I acknowledge that W. legitimately won the election as far as I can know. I just think the Electoral College is outdated and requires major revisions to instill faith in our democratic process.

As to the coverage of the yahoos, I think it's obvious these folks are not actors, as some other speculate here. Is it really difficult to imagine that only forty years removed from the civil rights movement that this sort of idiocy still exists in this country? The attitudes they espouse are a blight on this country. Perhaps there is liberal media bias, and perhaps there is a ratings-mongering via negative reporting going on here, but - I'm sorry - these people need to be held up to the microscope, so that these prejudices can be extinguished in this country. They only hold us back, and - as I said - they do us far more of a disservice than the voter who casts his or her vote based on some generic uninformed bias not borne of racism.

comment #33

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

At the DNC convention, an assassination attempt on Obama was discovered and the would be assassins arrested.

On the other side.... none so far.

It is not the same and stop trying to spin it like the levels of hate are anywhere close.

After he is elected and the fact sinks in, watch how much hate you will see before January 20th. Before a single bit of legislation. There will be several serious plots against him and we can only hope the Secret Service catches them all.

Otherwise, the country will tear itself apart if one succeeds.

THAT is why McCain needs to be shamed into speaking out now before even more seeds of REAL hate are planted.

comment #34

SpinDozer says ...

Kerry's defeat...When Kerry publicly conceded, nearly everyone did accept it. Since that day, however, there has been quite a bit of research which suggests that maybe he and the rest of us shouldn't have.

I recognize it as a defeat if for no other reason than it should never have been close enough to steal. Same with this election.

comment #35

Cadavra says ...

If McCain wins, there will be no rioting. Everyone will be too busy packing their things and booking one-way flights to Australia and New Zealand.

comment #36

D.Z. says ...

buster: "there are plenty of videos of rabid Obama supporters verbally assaulting McCain supporters. "

If there are plenty, why don't you upload one?

"I have also seen, as a curious Obama who has attended local McCain rallies, other Obama supporters doing their best to disrupt and destroy the ability of McCain supporters to assemble."

How so?

comment #37

SpinDozer says ...

'why don't you upload one?'

Have you ever tried to upload a wet dream?

comment #38

jeffrey buster says ...

whether it's by IP or email, you won't silence me. God you're a miserable cunt.

comment #39

jeffrey buster says ...

dz ... go to youtube and search for the following vids:

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Try some searching for others, it's not that hard.

Dozer's response is typical. Seeing people make fools of themselves in the name of Obama is a nightmare, not a fantasy.

A few weeks ago I attended a McCain rally in Media, PA with a pro-McCain friend of mine. My intent was to hear first-hand and dissect the points being spewed to the crowd. Instead, a group of about a dozen Obama supporters gathered at back screaming, mocking, and insulting the entire proceeding, making it nearly impossible to hear anything or concentrate. I have not seen similar attempts of disruption by the right at Obama rallies I have attended. This is not a defense of McCain supporters, but an indictment on us.

None of this excuses the ugliness we've been witnessing at McCain rallies, but we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. I myself have been banned, tarred, and feathered here for simply questioning the behavior of other Obama supporters. For people who think of themselves as thoughtful and tolerant, the words despicable and shameful come to mind.

DZ, you at least make attempts to prove your point. Animals like Dozer resort immediately to the bullying, which one can only suspect comes from being inarticulate or unintelligent.

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