comment #1

renorambler says ...

I fear this is just the beginning. It makes me ashamed to be an American. I don't care whether you lean left or right, this is just despicable.

comment #2

cinefan says ...

Of course, neither Palin nor McCain has the guts to directly address these participants' statements and say that they are vile and completely unacceptable forms of political discourse.

comment #3

Jay T. says ...

I hope that in many ways this will actually help Obama, as a lot of borderline voters may think, "I don't want to be associated with those fucking idiots."

comment #4

Josh Massey says ...

If you want to be ever-so-technical about it, the "Kill him!" sounds like it was aimed at Ayers.

comment #5

MDOC says ...

Obviously this is disgusting. People get too carried away with the hatred. If the politicians actually like and respect each other (at least McCain and Biden) why can't the citizens?

What do people make of the Obama Youth Group Video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs
My first reaction was that it was just stupid people acting stupidly, but I could see where people may have a visceral reaction to it. People take everything too far.

comment #6

cbuckie says ...

That's some scary stuff. If those morons McCain/Palin keep it up they might just push some unstable individual to try and assassinate Obama. McCain should hang his head in shame.

comment #7

p.Vice says ...

Yeah, the "kill him" comment was probably directed at Ayers... He'd have gone with "lynch" if it were Obama.

comment #8

Aladdin Sane says ...

The jackals are coming home to roost. What'd you think was gonna happen?

comment #9

duck dodgers says ...

"Two anti-Obama hate epithets were shouted today at rallies for John McCain and Sarah Palin, one calling for his death."

Meanwhile two anti-Palin hate epitaphs were shouted at an Obama rally and both of the shouters were immediately offered web-blogs by The Atlantic.

comment #10

duck dodgers says ...

So in your haste to smear McCain did any of you stop to think that what your saying is it makes you ashamed to be an American when people threaten violence to a guy who use to plan violence against other guys?

comment #11

LYT says ...

"McCain should hang his head in shame."

Shame on you, cbuckie. Don't you realize that McCain has been unable to move his head into a downward position ever since he was tortured for five years...as a POW?

(yes, I'm kidding. Shame that I have to point that out, as someone probably will say something similar in earnest.)

comment #12

D.Z. says ...

"The crowd loudly booed. "Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience."

And here I thought the Passion crowd claimed to be non-violent.

duck: "Meanwhile two anti-Palin hate epitaphs were shouted at an Obama rally and both of the shouters were immediately offered web-blogs by The Atlantic.."

Well, Rush Limbaugh hates black football players, and he got an extended contract, so...

"So in your haste to smear McCain did any of you stop to think that what your saying is it makes you ashamed to be an American when people threaten violence to a guy who use to plan violence against other guys?"

Not really any more ashamed than having a President who appeases dictators who actually engaged in violence. (*cough* Qadaffi and Musharaff *cough*)

comment #13

Ray says ...

I m an Obama supporter completely, so when I say this, I am not endorsing it at all, but ... Obama is obviously going to get killed at some point. I think we all know deep down that, at some point either before the elction or during his inevitable Presidency, the man is going to be shot in cold blood.

And it will make the city burnings of 1968 look like a campfire.Is America really ready for all of this??

comment #14

Josh Massey says ...

Ironically, the majority of assassins tend to be gay - so Ray, look for your boogeyman in your own closet.

comment #15

p.Vice says ...

I'm sure duck dodger is holding his breath in anticipation.

comment #16

GonePostal says ...

Ray, what kind of bizarre thing is that to say? First, I have more faith in the Secret Service that you seem to, and second, are you implying that African-Americans will riot over an Obama assassination? Are you saying America shouldn't elect a Black President because if he is assassinated in office the country will collapse into anarchy? Way to go Ray, you troll.

comment #17

duck dodgers says ...

Fuck you, P.Vice, thats a shameful thing to say. Have you no decency at all? Is there really no distinction in your head between politicle opposition and wishing for murder? No wonder Bill Ayers doesn't bother you're kind.

comment #18

Ray says ...

LOL it never fails to amuse me when the so-called cultural elite that assemble here cannot restrain themselves from flying off the handle at the most obvious statements.

I began my comment with the plain remark: I support Obama. I want him to be President.

But it's obvious that, since the FBI have already stoped two parties from trying to reach Obama with guns and bulletproof vests, that it is (unfortunately) only a matter of time before one of these gun-toting crazies egts to the guy.

As for Postal's ludicrous comment - Um, go look at the reactions to the murder of Martin Luther King (ever heard of him?), the beating of Rodney King, and the O.J. Simpson ordeal ... among others. Like it or not (I don't), Obama is a polarizing figure that puts its mutli-colored finger on the pulse of the racial divide in America. Believe me, if Obama ends up assassinated, there will be terrible retribution by many in this country.

Hell, I might even go throw a trash can or two. Just trust me, it will not be pretty.

comment #19

D.Z. says ...

Ray: "Obama is obviously going to get killed at some point. I think we all know deep down that, at some point either before the elction or during his inevitable Presidency, the man is going to be shot in cold blood."

He can't get killed, because he wouldn't be a Zero Year President.

Josh: "Ironically, the majority of assassins tend to be gay"

I thought the majority of assassins tend to hate gay people...

duck: "Is there really no distinction in your head between politicle opposition and wishing for murder? No wonder Bill Ayers doesn't bother you're kind."

Ask that to Anne Coulter.

comment #20

Josh Massey says ...

"Ironically, the majority of assassins tend to be gay..."

Ok, that's weird - and a bit hilarious. I typed - or at least meant to type - "the majority of assassins tend to be liberal..." And since I know I don't have a macro that changes "liberal" to "gay," I have no idea what to think. Either somebody changed my text or I f'd up, typing "Ray" and also thinking about James Earl Ray - and yeah, it's probably the latter.

But no, I didn't mean to impugn homos as assassins. Just liberals.

comment #21

Chapman Carruthers says ...

>>>And it will make the city burnings of 1968 look like a campfire.Is America really ready for all of this??

Sounds cathartic to me. Imagine the right-minded American people as the wife who's been verbally abused, beaten, shit on, ignored, and used as the hole in which some violent man pumps out his frustration. Then, right before he leaves you, he throws your primped and pristine, shivery little chihuahua out of the car window and into oncoming traffic.

Godforbid something happens to Obama. But if it does, I hope a nation of Americans channel the spirit of the illegitimate love child of William Foster and Bill Ayers and tear apart the parasitic institutions that continue to take liberties at the expense of the American people.

comment #22

SpinDozer says ...

'No wonder Bill Ayers doesn't bother you're kind.'

As the kind of person that looks at the kind of person that considers Ayers a "terrorist" as a subspecies of dumbshit, I doubt that your opinion registers on a micrometer assessment of the actionable political landscape. In any realistic evaluation of lives impacted by Ayers' bombing of un-occupied buildings vs. the Keating rip-off of the pensions of 20K people's pensions, you lose. If the decision about who controls the economic future of the nation rests upon the asinine personality-cult "issues" you support, you may win. If you "win", we all lose. Congrats.

comment #23

SpinDozer says ...

"But no, I didn't mean to impugn homos as assassins. Just liberals.

Wut a Cunt!

comment #24

BurmaShave says ...

The Weather Underground were a bunch of fuckmooks. The only people they ever killed were themselves. Seriously. This is a joke. If Bill Ayers were the Unabomber he would not be working for a fucking public university. Why are conservatives the only ones who can't get past the anti-war movement?

comment #25

TVMCCA says ...

It's a long-forgotten film that continues to gather dust in the Universal vaults (that is, if it wasn't burned in the studio fire), but I can't help be reminded of the religous rally scene in Marty Feldman's IN GOD WE TRUST where the superdevout crowd's words "Seek! Hail!" turn into "Seig Heil!"

comment #26

dangovich says ...

Palin is truly loathsome.

comment #27

iamwhoiam says ...

That's how is started in Israel in the mid 90s. Terrible hate and incitement during right wing rallies, with their leaders there. It ended with the assassination of the prime minister, Itzhak Rabin.

comment #28

CMAC says ...

Kids...just breathe for a sec.
It's all good.
If you want Obama, vote for him .
If you don't,
then don't show up November 4th.
..And then plan the alibi for your future grandchildren...

comment #29

CMAC says ...

PS?

Here's some good ol'fun readin' from our friends at Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

comment #30

D.Z. says ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra

comment #31

MDOC says ...

Don't worry, if something happens to Obama his youth army will avenge him. I love how nobody took that bait. Look over here, Obama is perfect, it says so in Rolling Stone. Hillary was right, when Obama gets in the skies will open, countries will lay down their arms and grievences, the stock market will triple, and the Lions will win the Super Bowl. I can't wait.
At the very least, all the trolls will stop paying attention to politics again for 4 years, which is very obvious by the Good Vs. Evil depth of discourse here

comment #32

frankbooth says ...

But you will be back after those four years have passed, right MDOC? 'cause it just won't be the same without you.

comment #33

duck dodgers says ...

"As the kind of person that looks at the kind of person that considers Ayers a "terrorist" as a subspecies of dumbshit,"

Okay, I'm a dumbshit. What were they and what does that make you?

"Many of us forget that the Weather Underground bombing campaign was not a matter of a few isolated incidents. From September 1969 to May 1970, Rudd and his co-revolutionaries on the white radical left committed about 250 attacks, or almost one terrorist bombing a day (government estimates put that number up to 600 percent higher). During the summer of 1970, there were twenty bombings a week in California."

comment #34

duck dodgers says ...

Well as a few of the more insane comments in this thread suggest the anger and impulse toward violence is far more a feature of the Left than the Right these days. Project all you want but the danger to Obama is more likely to come from a lefty convinced he's sold truth and beauty out than from the last pooped-out white racialists in America.

Of course as with both Kennedys the nature of said assassin is likely to be obscured. The most astonishing snow job of modern times is that most people think of a presidents murder by an ex-Soviet defector as some kind of rightwing conspiracy.

comment #35

SpinDozer says ...

'What were they and what does that make you?'

1.Anti-War radicals 2. Realist

Whenever you righties pin the label on whoever you disagree with, PETA, ELF, you diminish the word. The purpose of the Weather Underground etc. was not to instill terror. If the WU wanted to do that, they'd have carried out their bombings when the buildings were occupied.

comment #36

twicks says ...

Two idiots shout something offensive at two different political rallies, and in both cases, it's unlikely the speakers even heard them...this is a news item?

You're reaching, Jeff.

comment #37

duck dodgers says ...

Read this, SpinDozer.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.htm

It'll bring the war home.

comment #38

Ghost072 says ...

Ayers was a bad guy. Obama is not. That should be the end of it.

But, if we must continue with the politics of association, then we can talk about McCain's censure by the Senate for his "bad judgement" in taking bribes from his very good friend Charles Keating and helping the S&L collapse occur in the 80s.

Or we can talk about John McCain's long standing friendship with G. Gordon Liddy, who is at least Ayer's equal on the right-wing side.

Or we can talk about McCain's involvement with the U.S. Council for World Freedom, a right-wing radical association if there ever was one.

And we haven't even started with wacky Sarah Palin and her separatist Alaskan Party yet (have you heard some of the statements of the party's leader - wow!). Personally, I think these guilt by association games are an overall loser for the American people, but if McCain or his surrogates think he is untouchable in this regard, they are sadly mistaken. You will not be allowed to steal another election with innuendo and diversionary tactics. We will fight fire with fire this time.

comment #39

duck dodgers says ...

That should be the end of it followed by four paragraphs about John McCain and 1) Gordon G. Liddy 2) Charles Keaton 3) the Alaksan Independent's Party.

And people use to slam the rightwinger's here for regurgitating talking points right off a fax machine.

comment #40

Ghost072 says ...

Boy, you're not very quick, are you? What I am saying is your attempts to smear Obama with guilt by association will be met by retaliation this time around and your boy and gal left plenty of ammo to retaliate with.

All Obama has to do is play things even from here on out, so he'd obviously rather not negative. The guy winning usually tries to avoid that in a campaign. However, all he has to do is raise, through surrogates, each issue tit for tat. I see your Ayers with Liddy. I see your Wright with Hagee. I see your Rezco with Keating. If the American people are confused because all of the conflicting reports and negative campaigning - guess who wins? Hint: during one of the greatest financial crisis in our country's history, it isn't likely to be the incumbent party.

comment #41

actionman says ...

wow that rolling stone article was pretty fucked up

comment #42

SpinDozer says ...

'wow that rolling stone article was pretty fucked up'

in what way?

comment #43

SpinDozer says ...

'It'll bring the war home.'

You've surrendered to the irrational if you call that "terrorism".

comment #44

MDOC says ...

Ghost072,

If you want to go tit for tat how do you respond to Obama promising Latarian Milton a cabinet position? I saw it last night on Fox.

comment #45

Ghost072 says ...

"If you want to go tit for tat how do you respond to Obama promising Latarian Milton a cabinet position? I saw it last night on Fox."

I can't quite tell; are you trying to be racist or funny? That comment was neither, IMO, but I am interested in your intent.

comment #46

MDOC says ...

Both

comment #47

Ghost072 says ...

Oops, misworded that response. Your comment was most definitely racist, but not funny (IMO, of course). Still interested in your intent, though...

comment #48

Ghost072 says ...

Ah, ok, then. Thanks for clarifying. Carry on...

comment #49

Boris Yeltsin says ...

duck dodgers Author Profile Page says ...

"Two anti-Obama hate epithets were shouted today at rallies for John McCain and Sarah Palin, one calling for his death."

Meanwhile two anti-Palin hate epitaphs were shouted at an Obama rally and both of the shouters were immediately offered web-blogs by The Atlantic.

to quote a shitty movie but good for this quote:

"you're entrance was good, his was better."
"the difference-showmanship(and he's black.)"
the difference-showmanship.

comment #50

Rothchild says ...

Twicks:

McCain reacts to the man yelling "terrorist." Nice try.

comment #51

twicks says ...

From Jeff's writeup above:

Someone in the crowd responded by yelling: "Terrorist!" The crowd roared, and McCain seemed startled, but it is unclear whether he actually heard what the man shouted. He did not respond to the attack.

So yeah, pretty much a non-item.

comment #52

duck dodgers says ...

"You've surrendered to the irrational if you call that "terrorism"."

You've surrendered you're decency if your trying to thinking that murdering judges and they're families is anything else.

comment #53

SpinDozer says ...

'You've surrendered you're decency if your trying to thinking that murdering judges and they're families is anything else.'

Splendid, then I haven't surrendered anything. Thanks for making my point.

comment #54

duck dodgers says ...

So fire-bombs thrown at the judges house at midnight were not an attempt at murdering? What were they, a cry for help? A barbecue gone wild? Cut through the glib ripostes and tell me isn't it or is it not terrorism to attempt to at least intimidate and quite possibly to kill a judge because of a case he's trying to try? To me that's an attack on the very fundamentals of civil society. What is it to you, besides another opportunity to snark onto a comment board?

comment #55

D.Z. says ...

duck: "From September 1969 to May 1970, Rudd and his co-revolutionaries on the white radical left committed about 250 attacks, or almost one terrorist bombing a day (government estimates put that number up to 600 percent higher)."

But it's ok when a guy blows up a plane does it to fight communism in Cuba.

"Well as a few of the more insane comments in this thread suggest the anger and impulse toward violence is far more a feature of the Left than the Right these days."

Did we vote for, and continue to endorse, this war? [Not to mention candidates and Supreme Court justices who have no problems with terrorists getting easy access to guns...]

"You've surrendered you're decency if your trying to thinking that murdering judges and they're families is anything else."

So shouldn't you be ranting against Anne Coulter?

"So fire-bombs thrown at the judges house at midnight were not an attempt at murdering?"

If Republicans can say some guy who's trying to shoot
Obama isn't pulling an assassination attempt, why not?

comment #56

SpinDozer says ...

'What is it to you, besides another opportunity to snark onto a comment board?'

Look, duck, there are legit uses of the word "terrorism" that don't involve multiple homicides. Typically, however, those specific incidences are generally part of a larger campaign that does involve multiple homicides. Bombs blowing up buildings with people intentionally inside them. That's terrorism. Now after listening to your childish whining about snarkism, you are due for a clue as to what you are; a right wing dumbshit who regurgitates the offensive bile distributed by right wing media. Fuck off.

comment #57

MDOC says ...

SpinDozer,

I don't get it are you saying the story described in Duck's link doesn't constitute terrorism. If the argument is that Ayres and Obama's connection is slim at best (which I happen to agree with btw) why defend such disgusting tactics. Why be defensive?

comment #58

SpinDozer says ...

'Why be defensive?'

I'm not sure what your problem is; Duck's link doesn't constitute terrorism. It ain't rockit sci-unce. Only someone in desperate need of the most emotionally charged term they could possibly reach for would consider Duck's link as constituting terrorism, end of story. Hope that helps with your difficulty.