We had snow this morning in Northern New Jersey. And I hear my boss got over a foot of snow dropped on his hunting trip in Michigan.
Whoever called it "global warming" really did the movement a disservice. Maybe something like "temperature extremities" would have worked better. That way fanatics on the other side of the argument wouldn't laugh their ass off when Al Gore gives his global warming speech somewhere where it snowed the night before.
Wells to actionman: No offense, dude, but you've made my point better than I could've hoped to. Unusually hot weather that almost certainly means only one thing? Cool!
Actually, I've been noticing it getting unusually warmer for the fall/winter season here for the last 6-8 years now. I'm not fond of warm/hot weather, but the kind we've been getting around this time's even worse, since it's the kind which burns you up internally, not externally, and thus you can't even sweat. People seemed to ignore it, even though it was edging out the cool climate which used to exist in the late February/early March period, and a few people kept telling me it's "always" like this in Cali, even though I've never remembered it being as such in the 25+ years I've lived here.
Though I'm surprised to see Angelenos still walking around in a daze right now, pretending it's still summer, and ignoring all the holiday junk in front of them. Aren;t they afraid their water bottles might be out of stock soon, due to rationing? Don't they ever think about the fact that it's only rained once this month? And we're supposed to be in one of those non-global warming denial states.
I'm saying we had snow this morning in Northern New Jersey. And I hear my boss got over a foot of snow dropped on his hunting trip in Michigan.
For the most part I try to keep my opinions on things confined to those pertaining to movies on this site. The way you jumped at me with your torch and pitchfork, ready to storm my castle after a rare moment of not doing that, only reinforces why I should keep on that path.
Only right-wingers who don't believe in global warming call it "global warming" (putting air-quotes around it and sneering as they do so). Everyone else calls it "climate change", which makes much more sense.
Thanks, D.Z. There are still a few TZone episodes I've missed over the years, and "Midnight Sun" is apparently one of them. If you've never seen DAY THE EARTH CAUGHT FIRE, seek it out. Next to no visual effects, but a really tight little climate change thriller with some exceptional performances. The newspaper angle nails the immediacy of the narrative. The sepia climax is an extra nice touch.
Posted by Carl LaFong at November 18, 2008 2:31 PM
Every single weather record, either high or low, dates back to the 1800s. Does anyone else think that maybe their temperature recording devices may have been a little bit off back then??
I'm so fucking tired of this weather. ONE day, 2 weekends ago, of cloud and autumnal breeze. That's all we've had all year. ONE DAY.
The scene from "The Birds" was a great one. I love the old lady, the voice of science and reason and the stereotypical Irish drunk. "You're scaring the children!" Good stuff. Definately gives one pause. We definately have been having more serious hurricanes than I've ever remembered in the past. I find it hard to believe that all the particulates we've been vomiting into the atmosphere haven't done something to our planet.
1) We can't predict the local weather a month in advance, let alone the global climate for centuries to come.
2) The "consensus" among scientists does not exist. There are hundreds of renowned scientists who dispute global warming.
3) In the 1970's there was a panic in the scientific community about global cooling. One suggestion was to spread gravel over the polar ice sheets to attract the suns rays.
4) Many scientists, not to mention the 2009 Farmer's Almanac, predict a global cooling period will soon be underway.
5) Blame the media.
6) This eco-friendly boner the world just had will end of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. When the temperatures fluctuate back, the general public will trade the obvious scientific reasoning for one which involves a great big pat on the back for all the great work we've done.
Because come on, science is for nerds.
Yesterday, up here in Lumberton-By-The-Bay, it was unseasonably humid. The temp was allegedly in the seventies, but it was so muggy it felt like ninety. Everyone was dragging ass, looking wilted, carrying their jackets.
Today, it's downright chilly. But yes, it's weird. Usually it's cold and rainy by this time in November.
Question: environmental change is not (or at least should not be) a political issue. So why is it primarily Republicans/conservatives who refuse to believe in it? Is it because it would cost money to change things, and implementing regulations is contrary to the sacred free market? Because Al Gore is annoying and a Democrat, and therefore anything he says must be wrong? Because God wouldn't let this happen to Americans? Seriously, what's the deal?
"Every single weather record, either high or low, dates back to the 1800s. Does anyone else think that maybe their temperature recording devices may have been a little bit off back then??"
Aris, thermometers have been around for over 300 years. I'm sure they were working well enough at that point to get it right.
We've gone the extremes here in Flyover Minnesota. On Nov 2 I took a dip in the lake and the last two weeks we've been 10 -15 degrees below normal, meaning in the 20's.
I say too cold, too soon. And another thing I have been observing, ever since I moved back 10 years ago our winters are colder than when I was a kid and we don't get nearly the same amount of snow as "back in the day."
"Climate Change" is the more appropriate phrase than "Global Warming." It means we're in for more extreme weather patterns -- more brutal hurricanes, colder winters, hotter summers. Yeah, there'll be days in January when its warm and sunny in Chicago, but there'll be more brutal heat waves in July.
The problem is that "Climate Change" is so generic as to border on nonsensical. Climate has always changed. It will always change. For most of this planet's history, climate was significantly different than it is now.
Unfortunately, the more accurate "Human Caused or Accelerated Change to a Climate Inhospitable to Many Forms of Life Currently Inhabiting the Planet and/or Incompatible with Current Human Social Patterns" doesn't really fit on a t-shirt.
Frankbooth asks:
"So why is it primarily Republicans/conservatives who refuse to believe in it? Is it because it would cost money to change things, and implementing regulations is contrary to the sacred free market? Because Al Gore is annoying and a Democrat, and therefore anything he says must be wrong? Because God wouldn't let this happen to Americans? Seriously, what's the deal?"
Conservatives, loving the status quo, are less prone to engage in hysteria. They have an appreciation for history, and respond to data rather than emotion.
Tell liberals that baby polar bears are getting sunburns and they're ready to go to war. Give them a chance to attack the consumerism of the bourgeoisie, and you have a movement.
Having just driven from Alexandria, Virginia to Ann Arbor, Michigan and back in three days, mostly through the mountains of West VA, I'll take a little warming.
Posted by BurmaShave at November 19, 2008 11:49 PM
Woodrow: "Conservatives, loving the status quo, are less prone to engage in hysteria. They have an appreciation for history, and respond to data rather than emotion."
If that's the case, they wouldn't vote for Bush over Clinton's behavior.
A year ago today, it was 87 degrees in Dallas. Today, it was only 63.
If these trends continue, we're looking at another ice age by 2012.
Personal experience is a strange thing. I always think about how little snow we have where I grew up (not Dallas) these days compared to what we did as a kid. I attributed that change to global warming or whatever you want to call it.
Upon further research, it turns out that my memory of every winter being very snowy was really just two snowy winters in a row. When we had a similar (actually, more as the 2000-01 snowfall set a record there) snowfall a few years back, it seemed like much less to me, too, partially because I'm significantly bigger (just like my childhood home somehow seems much smaller than when I lived there) but also because my father no longer lives way out in the boonies as the city has grown around him.
comment #1
actionman
says ...
Sounds awesome. Nothing like sweating in November!
Posted by actionman
at November 18, 2008 1:25 PM
comment #2
JChasse
says ...
We had snow this morning in Northern New Jersey. And I hear my boss got over a foot of snow dropped on his hunting trip in Michigan.
Whoever called it "global warming" really did the movement a disservice. Maybe something like "temperature extremities" would have worked better. That way fanatics on the other side of the argument wouldn't laugh their ass off when Al Gore gives his global warming speech somewhere where it snowed the night before.
Posted by JChasse
at November 18, 2008 1:30 PM
comment #3
Carl LaFong
says ...
As tight a little thriller of this kind as you'll ever find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7nGBUk4KY
Posted by Carl LaFong
at November 18, 2008 1:36 PM
comment #4
Sabina E
says ...
JChasse, are you saying global warming is a hoax?
Look, I ain't an expert on global warming, geology, metereology, whatever you want to call it, but yeah, something's not right with our planet.
Posted by Sabina E
at November 18, 2008 1:39 PM
comment #5
gruver1
says ...
Wells to actionman: No offense, dude, but you've made my point better than I could've hoped to. Unusually hot weather that almost certainly means only one thing? Cool!
Posted by gruver1
at November 18, 2008 1:39 PM
comment #6
Sabina E
says ...
gruver1, I like hot weather and I wish the weather would be warm all year round here in crappy St. Louis.
i am always freezing my ass off everyday and I hate wearing bulky sweaters... what I wouldn't give for wearing a light summer outfit.
Posted by Sabina E
at November 18, 2008 1:42 PM
comment #7
D.Z.
says ...
Actually, I've been noticing it getting unusually warmer for the fall/winter season here for the last 6-8 years now. I'm not fond of warm/hot weather, but the kind we've been getting around this time's even worse, since it's the kind which burns you up internally, not externally, and thus you can't even sweat. People seemed to ignore it, even though it was edging out the cool climate which used to exist in the late February/early March period, and a few people kept telling me it's "always" like this in Cali, even though I've never remembered it being as such in the 25+ years I've lived here.
Though I'm surprised to see Angelenos still walking around in a daze right now, pretending it's still summer, and ignoring all the holiday junk in front of them. Aren;t they afraid their water bottles might be out of stock soon, due to rationing? Don't they ever think about the fact that it's only rained once this month? And we're supposed to be in one of those non-global warming denial states.
Posted by D.Z.
at November 18, 2008 1:45 PM
comment #8
D.Z.
says ...
Did I mention I've had bronchial issues for the last few years around the same time? [I'm 28 and don't smoke.]
Posted by D.Z.
at November 18, 2008 1:48 PM
comment #9
actionman
says ...
Wells -- I live in CT. I used to live in Hell-A and was consistently disgusted with the hot weather during the winter months.
It's freezing cold in CT and I love it.
Posted by actionman
at November 18, 2008 2:00 PM
comment #10
JChasse
says ...
DeafBrownTrashPunk:
I'm saying we had snow this morning in Northern New Jersey. And I hear my boss got over a foot of snow dropped on his hunting trip in Michigan.
For the most part I try to keep my opinions on things confined to those pertaining to movies on this site. The way you jumped at me with your torch and pitchfork, ready to storm my castle after a rare moment of not doing that, only reinforces why I should keep on that path.
Posted by JChasse
at November 18, 2008 2:09 PM
comment #11
MikeSchaeferSF
says ...
Only right-wingers who don't believe in global warming call it "global warming" (putting air-quotes around it and sneering as they do so). Everyone else calls it "climate change", which makes much more sense.
Posted by MikeSchaeferSF
at November 18, 2008 2:18 PM
comment #12
D.Z.
says ...
Carl: There was a Twilight Zone ep w/ a similar idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Midnight_Sun
Posted by D.Z.
at November 18, 2008 2:20 PM
comment #13
Carl LaFong
says ...
Thanks, D.Z. There are still a few TZone episodes I've missed over the years, and "Midnight Sun" is apparently one of them. If you've never seen DAY THE EARTH CAUGHT FIRE, seek it out. Next to no visual effects, but a really tight little climate change thriller with some exceptional performances. The newspaper angle nails the immediacy of the narrative. The sepia climax is an extra nice touch.
Posted by Carl LaFong
at November 18, 2008 2:31 PM
comment #14
Monument
says ...
It was 94 degrees in Los Angeles on this day in 1895. I think California has always been hot.
Posted by Monument
at November 18, 2008 3:09 PM
comment #15
Aris P
says ...
Every single weather record, either high or low, dates back to the 1800s. Does anyone else think that maybe their temperature recording devices may have been a little bit off back then??
I'm so fucking tired of this weather. ONE day, 2 weekends ago, of cloud and autumnal breeze. That's all we've had all year. ONE DAY.
Posted by Aris P
at November 18, 2008 3:16 PM
comment #16
K. Bowen
says ...
I heard on the news today that's it's unseasonably cold in most of the country. It is certianly unusually cold here.
Posted by K. Bowen
at November 18, 2008 3:20 PM
comment #17
Monument
says ...
it was 59 degrees on this day in 1994.
Posted by Monument
at November 18, 2008 3:23 PM
comment #18
Meegosh
says ...
Anyone that claims one days worth of weather either proves or disproves global warming doesn't know what they are talking about.
Posted by Meegosh
at November 18, 2008 3:46 PM
comment #19
Edward
says ...
The scene from "The Birds" was a great one. I love the old lady, the voice of science and reason and the stereotypical Irish drunk. "You're scaring the children!" Good stuff. Definately gives one pause. We definately have been having more serious hurricanes than I've ever remembered in the past. I find it hard to believe that all the particulates we've been vomiting into the atmosphere haven't done something to our planet.
Posted by Edward
at November 18, 2008 4:40 PM
comment #20
Jack Price
says ...
It's cooler in Austin by about 12-15 degrees. Crazy...
Posted by Jack Price
at November 18, 2008 4:58 PM
comment #21
Zimmergirl
says ...
It's murder here. When will fall arrive? But on another note, greatest.movie.ever.
Posted by Zimmergirl
at November 18, 2008 5:40 PM
comment #22
bmcintire
says ...
My apartment was super-cold this morning.
Posted by bmcintire
at November 18, 2008 5:41 PM
comment #23
Zach
says ...
1) We can't predict the local weather a month in advance, let alone the global climate for centuries to come.
2) The "consensus" among scientists does not exist. There are hundreds of renowned scientists who dispute global warming.
3) In the 1970's there was a panic in the scientific community about global cooling. One suggestion was to spread gravel over the polar ice sheets to attract the suns rays.
4) Many scientists, not to mention the 2009 Farmer's Almanac, predict a global cooling period will soon be underway.
5) Blame the media.
6) This eco-friendly boner the world just had will end of being a self-fulfilling prophecy. When the temperatures fluctuate back, the general public will trade the obvious scientific reasoning for one which involves a great big pat on the back for all the great work we've done.
Because come on, science is for nerds.
Posted by Zach
at November 18, 2008 9:04 PM
comment #24
frankbooth
says ...
Yesterday, up here in Lumberton-By-The-Bay, it was unseasonably humid. The temp was allegedly in the seventies, but it was so muggy it felt like ninety. Everyone was dragging ass, looking wilted, carrying their jackets.
Today, it's downright chilly. But yes, it's weird. Usually it's cold and rainy by this time in November.
Question: environmental change is not (or at least should not be) a political issue. So why is it primarily Republicans/conservatives who refuse to believe in it? Is it because it would cost money to change things, and implementing regulations is contrary to the sacred free market? Because Al Gore is annoying and a Democrat, and therefore anything he says must be wrong? Because God wouldn't let this happen to Americans? Seriously, what's the deal?
Posted by frankbooth
at November 18, 2008 9:08 PM
comment #25
lazarus
says ...
"Every single weather record, either high or low, dates back to the 1800s. Does anyone else think that maybe their temperature recording devices may have been a little bit off back then??"
Aris, thermometers have been around for over 300 years. I'm sure they were working well enough at that point to get it right.
Posted by lazarus
at November 19, 2008 3:43 AM
comment #26
ketut
says ...
We've gone the extremes here in Flyover Minnesota. On Nov 2 I took a dip in the lake and the last two weeks we've been 10 -15 degrees below normal, meaning in the 20's.
I say too cold, too soon. And another thing I have been observing, ever since I moved back 10 years ago our winters are colder than when I was a kid and we don't get nearly the same amount of snow as "back in the day."
Posted by ketut
at November 19, 2008 7:12 AM
comment #27
Howlingman
says ...
"Climate Change" is the more appropriate phrase than "Global Warming." It means we're in for more extreme weather patterns -- more brutal hurricanes, colder winters, hotter summers. Yeah, there'll be days in January when its warm and sunny in Chicago, but there'll be more brutal heat waves in July.
Posted by Howlingman
at November 19, 2008 7:12 AM
comment #28
Rich S.
says ...
The problem is that "Climate Change" is so generic as to border on nonsensical. Climate has always changed. It will always change. For most of this planet's history, climate was significantly different than it is now.
Unfortunately, the more accurate "Human Caused or Accelerated Change to a Climate Inhospitable to Many Forms of Life Currently Inhabiting the Planet and/or Incompatible with Current Human Social Patterns" doesn't really fit on a t-shirt.
Posted by Rich S.
at November 19, 2008 8:40 AM
comment #29
Sweetbubba
says ...
The temperature's normal where I am. Stop thinking your local weather anomolies are proof of a global climate phenomema.
Posted by Sweetbubba
at November 19, 2008 10:51 AM
comment #30
D.Z.
says ...
Bubba: We would, if we also didn't have the worst fires in decades.
Posted by D.Z.
at November 19, 2008 2:29 PM
comment #31
Woodrow
says ...
Frankbooth asks:
"So why is it primarily Republicans/conservatives who refuse to believe in it? Is it because it would cost money to change things, and implementing regulations is contrary to the sacred free market? Because Al Gore is annoying and a Democrat, and therefore anything he says must be wrong? Because God wouldn't let this happen to Americans? Seriously, what's the deal?"
Conservatives, loving the status quo, are less prone to engage in hysteria. They have an appreciation for history, and respond to data rather than emotion.
Tell liberals that baby polar bears are getting sunburns and they're ready to go to war. Give them a chance to attack the consumerism of the bourgeoisie, and you have a movement.
Posted by Woodrow
at November 19, 2008 9:03 PM
comment #32
BurmaShave
says ...
Having just driven from Alexandria, Virginia to Ann Arbor, Michigan and back in three days, mostly through the mountains of West VA, I'll take a little warming.
Posted by BurmaShave
at November 19, 2008 11:49 PM
comment #33
D.Z.
says ...
Woodrow: "Conservatives, loving the status quo, are less prone to engage in hysteria. They have an appreciation for history, and respond to data rather than emotion."
If that's the case, they wouldn't vote for Bush over Clinton's behavior.
Posted by D.Z.
at November 20, 2008 2:07 AM
comment #34
RDP
says ...
A year ago today, it was 87 degrees in Dallas. Today, it was only 63.
If these trends continue, we're looking at another ice age by 2012.
Personal experience is a strange thing. I always think about how little snow we have where I grew up (not Dallas) these days compared to what we did as a kid. I attributed that change to global warming or whatever you want to call it.
Upon further research, it turns out that my memory of every winter being very snowy was really just two snowy winters in a row. When we had a similar (actually, more as the 2000-01 snowfall set a record there) snowfall a few years back, it seemed like much less to me, too, partially because I'm significantly bigger (just like my childhood home somehow seems much smaller than when I lived there) but also because my father no longer lives way out in the boonies as the city has grown around him.
Posted by RDP
at November 20, 2008 5:53 PM