Knight Surge?

An older Academy friend has just spitballed what he believes the five Best Picture nominees will be at the end of the day. The top four will be Slumdog Millionaire, Milk, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and Frost/Nixon -- all routine picks. The surprise is that he believes the fifth slot will be filled by The Dark Knight. Really? Sure, he said -- the Academy is getting younger and younger, and all along the word on that film has been strong and steady.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells on December 5, 2008 at 2:48 PM

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The InSneider Author Profile Page says ...

BINGO! I'm predicting the same 5 as of last night. I love The Wrestler and Doubt more than any of those films (Button aside, haven't seen it) but in the end it was hard to justify their inclusion as I haven't met anyone as passionate about Doubt as myself, some 42 West girls and the people who worked on the movie. It's a shame, but the Milk buzz is too loud to ignore and everyone respects Ron Howard, who has been getting some of the best reviews of his career.

Posted by The InSneider Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:18 PM

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The InSneider Author Profile Page says ...

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Posted by The InSneider Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:19 PM

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Flash Gordon Author Profile Page says ...

It could happen. For one thing, I'm not convinced Frost/Nixon is going to make it. Did anyone read Manohla Dargis review in the New York Times? That had to be the most shrug-of-the-shoulders movie review I've ever read. Lady, we just want to know one thing: Did you LIKE the movie or not? I had to go to Rottentomatoes.com to find out if the review was positive or negative.More reviews like that one and it might not seem like a lock to be nominated.

Posted by Flash Gordon Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:26 PM

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Flash Gordon Author Profile Page says ...

Oh, and who does Ron Howard have to blow in order to get a good review in the New York Times? Dargis even dumped on Cinderella Man and that was a damn good movie.

Posted by Flash Gordon Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:31 PM

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Dan Revill Author Profile Page says ...

Well the WB officially announced the re-release of TDK on January 23rd. The question is who will go? I've seen it a few times in the theater, and I'll be picking up the Blu-ray.
There will probably still be a few Oscar nominees just coming out that will need to be seen before I even consider another TDK go-around. Then again...in IMAX it is glorious.

Posted by Dan Revill Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:32 PM

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DarthCorleone Author Profile Page says ...

I saw both Frost/Nixon and Milk in the last couple weeks, and while I think they are both very good in terms of acting and serving as interesting historical fiction(Milk moreso), neither grabbed me visually as Best Picture material. If that and Dark Knight are 60 percent of the field, I can't see myself getting too excited about the Oscars. I'm planning to see Slumdog and Button in the next week; if this indeed is the field, this will be the earliest I've checked all five nominees off my watch list - whatever that means.

Posted by DarthCorleone Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 3:49 PM

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Josh Massey Author Profile Page says ...

The AICN crowd seems sure the Dark Knight re-release will give it the $70 million it needs to overtake Titanic.

I'm thinking it will be a lot closer to $700,000.

Posted by Josh Massey Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:08 PM

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NDH Author Profile Page says ...

I have the same five predicted as well. Right now, at least, It seems fairly obvious (and anyone not buying into The Dark Knight getting nominated is just kidding themselves at this point). I'm hoping for a last minute switch up though, like Revolutionary Road taking the place of Frost/Nixon or Milk. Otherwise, it'd be kinda boring to wake up on nomination day only to find that everything was set in stone a month and a half in advance. But I guess we'll know more when a lot of the precursors are out of the way.

Posted by NDH Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:13 PM

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ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

If TDK ended up winning I would be happy. IMO it's just as worthy as Slumdog and Button. I havn't seen the other two though.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:14 PM

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ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Also, if you haven't seen it in IMAX, DO IT. It's AMAZING.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:15 PM

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perceptions Author Profile Page says ...

Much prefer "Revolutionary Road" over "Frost/Nixon.

Posted by perceptions Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:20 PM

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John Cocktosten Author Profile Page says ...


I strongly dislike TDK. It reminds me of a telenovela mixed with masked wrestlers, and reflects human nature just about as well. Take away Heath and you've got a more reasonable success along the lines of Batman Begins.

I'm glad people love it, more power to them. Just please don't ask me to agree that it is Best Picture material. Although it's better than Chicago.

Posted by John Cocktosten Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:27 PM

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CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

What's wrong with Batman Begins + Heath Ledger, John? What else would you nominate this year, hmmm?

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:29 PM

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Joshua Mooney Author Profile Page says ...

Thank God for time.

Posted by Joshua Mooney Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:45 PM

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K. Bowen Author Profile Page says ...

How is Frost/Nixon on these lists? I know the practical reasons. But why does anyone think that film, while perfectly fine, is worthy of any sort of special accolades? It just isn't.

TDK is a film of enormous scale and ambition, and discusses the nature of heroism, generational issues, the Bush administration and the War on Terror, the limits and behavior of a civilized society when faced with the least civilized threats. It's not perfect, but it is definitely outstanding.

Posted by K. Bowen Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 4:58 PM

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Edward Author Profile Page says ...

Well said K. Bowen.

I've stated many times of my ambivalence towards Ron Howard as a filmmaker. I'll see Frost/Nixon, but don't expect it to be anything more than very well made. As to the other films mentioned; they're all on my to see list, when they make it up here.

Posted by Edward Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 5:10 PM

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corey3rd Author Profile Page says ...

The Dark Knight gets the added ability that for the next few weeks, it can get the Gladiator promotion bump in order to push the Blu-ray - and if Academy members show up, all the better. Plus you get to have all the bonus features to pimp the various Tech categories.

Posted by corey3rd Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 5:41 PM

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Celebrity Werewolf Hunter Author Profile Page says ...

I don't see why The Dark Knight wouldn't be a Best Picture nominee. It was extremely well reviewed, said to be the best of its genre ever made, is the second highest grossing(unadjusted for inflation) film of all time, exceptional cinematography and featured solid and in the case of Ledger exceptional performances.
There was also a much greater opportunity for artistic failure that can come with a film that has a 200 million dollar budget featuring a man who dresses up like a Bat fighting a man dressed as a clown than telling a small intimate story based on a Tony award winning play with the same actors from broadway.

K Bowen also hits the nail on its head with his second paragraph. This isn't spiderman where the message is "with great power comes great responsibility schtick."

I think at the very least it should be nominated for Best Picture, Director, Cinematography & Supporting Actor. I mean Lord of the Rings averaged 10+ nominations a film and all were up for Best Pic.

Posted by Celebrity Werewolf Hunter Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 5:47 PM

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EDouglas Author Profile Page says ...

This is pretty much my list although I do expect Frost/Nixon to be bumped in favor of something else.... maybe Australia, just to piss off bloggers and critics... or The Reader or Doubt. The other four are locks as far as I can tell.

Posted by EDouglas Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 5:58 PM

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byanyother Author Profile Page says ...

Well it deserves to be nominated, whether or not it will be. It has the strongest reviews, the strongest box office, good acting, even a great performance by Ledger and a solid script - it would be a stupid move for the Academy to ignore what is quite clearly and obviously at least one of the best five films of the year. At least.

Posted by byanyother Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 6:06 PM

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John Cocktosten Author Profile Page says ...

There's nothing wrong with Batman Begins + Heath, though I enjoyed Batman Begins. I also enjoyed Heath, limited though his screen time may be. That, in itself, is ridiculous when you consider the completely superfluous Two-Face story. The obvious choice is Batman vs. Joker, that's plently. When you have an actor of Heath's caliber, I just don't undertstand the choice to bloat the whole proceedings by adding the whole Two-Face story. That can come later.

I disagree that the movie competently illuminated human nature in the light of terrorism, the role of the hero, etc. The movie is a mess, and some of the dialogue made me groan. The action was not particularly well-shot. It did not possess an ounce of grace, nor did it allow itself to have any quiet moments before the next thought-banishing tension setup began.

That the movie is a metaphor for Dubya-based America is all the more depressing. But that ship has sailed; it's on to more coherent, less fear-and-sensory-overload- based filmmaking.

I feel there are certainly five superior candidates for Best Picture. I will, however, be giving it another chance on Blu-ray.

Posted by John Cocktosten Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 6:19 PM

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Flash Gordon Author Profile Page says ...

Ebert just came out with his list of the year's best films. There were 20 titles and Benjamin Button was not one of them. Either it's the only movie left this year that he still hasn't seen, or he didn't like it that much. If the man who almost singlehandedly helped Crash take Best Picture gives the alleged early frontrunner a negative review and the other reviews are not fantastic, it might not even get nominated, much to everyone's surprise. My hunch is he simply hasn't seen it yet and might regret making his list so early and not finding a place for it..

Posted by Flash Gordon Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 6:19 PM

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BurmaShave Author Profile Page says ...

Ebert's list is pretty good, though he omits some of the best films of the year that he himself gave four stars to, and includes some films he grossly overrated (though not LAKEVIEW TERRACE thank god). He is without peer, but I will not entertain a film worldview in which IRON MAN (very good) and especially SYNECDOCHE NEW YORK (terrible, Whiney the Poo) are better than IN BRUGES.

Posted by BurmaShave Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 6:59 PM

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Chase Kahn Author Profile Page says ...

That is interesting about Ebert not putting BUTTON on his 'Best of List' -- surely he's seen it, but it doesn't mean the review will be negative. As many positive reviews he throws out there these days, he could give it 3 1/2 stars and have it not be in the top 20

Posted by Chase Kahn Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 7:29 PM

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mitchtaylor Author Profile Page says ...

I'd like to thank the Academy...

Posted by mitchtaylor Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 7:31 PM

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mattn Author Profile Page says ...

IIRC, Ebert's top-10 list is based on films that show in the calendar year in Chicago. Does Button open only in NY and LA until 2009?

Posted by mattn Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 7:32 PM

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Chase Kahn Author Profile Page says ...

It's wide release on the 25th -- Roger Ebert is not going to pass over the most talked talked about 'contender' of the year.

He could still give the movie 3 1/2 stars -- that's what he gave X:FILES, that wasn't anywhere on the list...

Posted by Chase Kahn Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 8:29 PM

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thatmovieguy Author Profile Page says ...

No, mattn: BUTTON goes nationwide on Christmas Day.

Posted by thatmovieguy Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 8:32 PM

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scooterzz Author Profile Page says ...

button screeners weren't delivered until today...maybe he just hadn't seen it yet....

Posted by scooterzz Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 8:42 PM

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p.Vice Author Profile Page says ...

Uh oh... Button's not on Ebert's list... I guess that means it really sucks!

Ever hear of thinking for yourself?

Posted by p.Vice Author Profile Page at December 5, 2008 10:29 PM

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Dan Revill Author Profile Page says ...

Glad to see that Ebert isn't limiting himself to ten or anything.

IIRC, this is the earliest he's released his lists?

Posted by Dan Revill Author Profile Page at December 6, 2008 12:44 AM

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NotImpressed1Yet Author Profile Page says ...

Does IMAX film hold up in the same way regular film does? I saw Quantum of Solace a week after it opened and it was already in rough shape.

Posted by NotImpressed1Yet Author Profile Page at December 6, 2008 7:20 AM

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perceptions Author Profile Page says ...

II believe Ebert would have prefaced in his column if he hand not seen "Button, "Changeling", or "Gran Tarino".

He apparently saw them, but was not impressed enough with any of them to place them in his Top 20.

Posted by perceptions Author Profile Page at December 6, 2008 8:15 AM

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perceptions Author Profile Page says ...

Oops...correcting typos :)

I believe Ebert would have prefaced in his column if he had not seen "Button, "Changeling", or "Gran Torino".

He apparently saw them, but he was not impressed enough with any of them to place them in his Top 20.

Posted by perceptions Author Profile Page at December 6, 2008 8:20 AM

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byanyother Author Profile Page says ...

Ebert explains himself here:

http://www.awardsdaily.com/?p=4575

Posted by byanyother Author Profile Page at December 6, 2008 5:21 PM

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