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In a 12.23 Film Threat interview to promote The B List: The National Society of Film Critics on the Low-Budget Beauties, Genre-Bending Mavericks, and Cult Classics We Love (De Capo), co-author John Anderson is asked to differentiate between A-List and B-List movie journo-blogger-critics.
"Can we boil it down to pros vs. wankers?," Anderson replies. "There are a lot of alleged critics out there trying to prove that the internet was created to unleash the untalented, untaught and probably unwashed" -- the leading voice in this camp is Time's Richard Schickel -- "but those people exist in print too. The most marked difference, I have learned, between what's in 'the B List' and what's generally available on blogs is the quality of the writing. There's no comparison. Some of these NSFC people are scarily good at what they do."
As long as Anderson has brought it up, can we see some reader selections for those journo-blogger-critics who squarely belong on the pro or wanker lists? I would put Anderson at the top of any pro list, but not that's not a very ballsy call, is it? The more I think about it, the fewer people I can think of who really deserve to be called wankers. It's very hard work to bang good stuff out every day. I'm inclined to give anyone a pass as long as they're coming from a place of passion and commitment and the use of spell check.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on December 24, 2008 at 10:32 AM
comment #1
p.Vice
says ...
I'm having a hard time deciding if I read less and less reviews on a yearly basis because of the lack of interesting ideas from the critics, or because what they're writing about simply doesn't lend itself to such.
Posted by p.Vice
at December 24, 2008 11:13 AM
comment #2
Gordie Lachance
says ...
I agree with Anderson 100%.
Andrew Tracy over at Reverse Shot is a wanker. Every review he writes seems to be an exercise in coming up with new ways to say "Worst Movie Ever", and, something I find even more disturbing, whenever he dismisses a film derived from a literary work, (such as No Country For Old Men or Revolutionary Road) he likes to brag that he doesn't know whether to blame the screenwriter or the novelist, because he "doesn't read".
Posted by Gordie Lachance
at December 24, 2008 12:20 PM
comment #3
JosephB
says ...
I'll have to pick this one up. I love the books put out by the NSoFC. I've got several of their earlier releases, favs being "Produced and Abandoned" (which features some great pieces on obscure films like "Cutter's Way", "Mike's Murder" and "The Offence") and "They Went That Away" which includes pieces on genre films. Bottom line, it's always great to see writings by Michael Sragow, Richard T. Jameson (best editor ever at Film Comment) and Michael Wilmington compiled in one cool reader.
Posted by JosephB
at December 24, 2008 12:29 PM
comment #4
lawnorder
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Anyone who writes for slantmagazine.com is a wanker! They should just change theiir name to hatemovies.com.
Posted by lawnorder
at December 24, 2008 12:44 PM
comment #5
TVMCCA
says ...
And then there's Walter Chaw of filmfreakcentral.net--someone who lawnorder will like even less than the slantmagazine website critics.
Posted by TVMCCA
at December 24, 2008 1:06 PM
comment #6
great scott
says ...
It's official. Roger Ebert has totally lost it. 3 stars for Marley and Me, while Benjamin Button gets 2.5 stars. Nuff said.
Posted by great scott
at December 24, 2008 1:10 PM
comment #7
Devin Faraci
says ...
MARLEY & ME is a much better movie than BENJAMIN BUTTON. It just isn't as 'prestigious.'
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 24, 2008 1:28 PM
comment #8
great scott
says ...
That explains why Marley & Me is on so many Ten Best lists.
Posted by great scott
at December 24, 2008 1:35 PM
comment #9
Devin Faraci
says ...
I've seen 50 films better than BENJAMIN BUTTON this year. Most of them don't belong on a 10 best list. And the inclusion of a movie on a zillion mainstream 10 best lists doesn't mean it's all that great. How many 10 best lists did CRASH make?
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 24, 2008 1:37 PM
comment #10
Devin Faraci
says ...
BTW, you've seen both films, right? You're not just another annoying internet ding dong who treats films like sports teams, where you support and champion a movie despite not having seen it?
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 24, 2008 1:40 PM
comment #11
great scott
says ...
I've seen Benjamin Button and it's one of the best films I've ever seen. The odds of Marley and Me being a better movie are pretty slim. Do I need to see Bedtime Stories to know it's more Adam Sandler garbage?
BTW, Ebert has panned some of my favorite films of all time: Die Hard, Raising Arizona, The Elephant Man, A Few Good Men, Splash. Maybe I should not have said he's lost it, because that implies he ever had it.
Posted by great scott
at December 24, 2008 2:05 PM
comment #12
Devin Faraci
says ...
BENJAMIN BUTTON is one of the best films you've ever seen?
Yikes.
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 24, 2008 2:08 PM
comment #13
BurmaShave
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Faraci, most people really like BENJAMIN BUTTON. Which doesn't make you an iconoclast for being wrong about it. But certainly don't act like people are misguided to be over the moon about it. Plus I think most would agree your taste is pretty suspect.
Posted by BurmaShave
at December 24, 2008 2:11 PM
comment #14
BurmaShave
says ...
Though I will say PUNISHER: WAR ZONE was kind of fun. Certainly not the trashy masterpiece you made it out to be though.
Posted by BurmaShave
at December 24, 2008 2:16 PM
comment #15
T. Holly
says ...
Jeff, you twist everything up -- and that is the most annoying thing about the web. Furthermore, what does working hard have to do with anything? And your line about giving things a pass is creme de la bunk. Plus you know you saw this on MCN's home page first -- they don't own it, but damn, they're a good resource -- one of the hardest working people in Hollywood is Ray Pride, in Chicago; so nice to see the surprise find he made on Christmas eve at MCIndie.
The question the interviewer asked of the co-EDITOR of the "B List Movies" book is, "The reviewers who contributed to the book represent many prominent film critics. What is your opinion of the state of contemporary film criticism?" And the answer, after pros vs wankers, is on the nature of the reviews in the book, to wit: "The most marked difference, I have learned, between what's in 'the B List' and what's generally available on blogs is the quality of the writing. there's no comparison. Some of these NSFC people are scarily good at what they do."
I've read reviews that say there are superb intros written by the editors as well. All of us, for a long time, know that excellence is endangered and not a birthright. Not too surprisingly, this book was sold out when I tried buying it last week at Borders in Hollywood.
The most hilarious (as in stupid) review was in CHUD, where Tom Fuchs, totally confused in every possible way, tells the reader "...a majority of these pieces could probably be scrounged up online with only a little effort..." Right, sure Tom... later.
Posted by T. Holly
at December 24, 2008 4:02 PM
comment #16
arturobandini2
says ...
One movie critic who deserves a blog (and long overdue recognition) is Danny Peary, author of the now-out-of-print Cult Movies series from the '80s. No other film essayist since, certainly not the AICN crowd, has written with as much passion about buried treasures, or was better at convincing me to watch movies I didn't want to see based solely on his reaction. He also wrote another great collection, Alternate Oscars, pointing out how bogus the Academy's choices were for every single year. Don't know where Peary is today, but I miss his writing. He's the missing link between the Paulettes and the bloggers.
Posted by arturobandini2
at December 24, 2008 8:33 PM
comment #17
T. Holly
says ...
Not so terrible. Pretty fucking great actually. Schickel fashions a minor whirlwind here that those so call B listers you give passes to couldn't dream of:
http://www.mcnblogs.com/filmessent/2008/12/sex_with_teens_gender_stereoty.html
Posted by T. Holly
at December 24, 2008 10:02 PM
comment #18
shawn
says ...
Jeff, I hold no brief in favor of Dick Shickel, but I think you're misreading Anderson. When he says ""There are a lot of alleged critics out there trying to prove that the internet was created to unleash the untalented, untaught and probably unwashed," I'm pretty sure he means that there are talentless internet critics whose work amounts to a proof that the internet is full of hacks. (Hence, "those people exist in print too" -- meaning that there are crap critics with jobs in traditional media.) Anyhow.
Posted by shawn
at December 24, 2008 10:44 PM
comment #19
Uncle Larry
says ...
If you're looking for someone who approaches this seriously, try Marshall Fine at Hollywood & Fine (hollywoodandfine.com). I used to read him in Gannett. Maybe not always on the money taste-wise, but consistently intelligent and entertaining.
Posted by Uncle Larry
at December 25, 2008 6:24 AM
comment #20
Uncle Larry
says ...
Plus I'd add that most of those NSFC dweebs are too in love with the smell of their own fumes, too caught up in being contrarian (i.e., "hip") to be taken all that seriously. Also: Can someone please tell A.O. Scott to shut the f--- up?
Posted by Uncle Larry
at December 25, 2008 6:27 AM
comment #21
T. Holly
says ...
Did Marshall Fine review The Reader? Does he know the cost to Hanna; how she bolted, and wound up a Siemens factory worker and a Nazi guard? If so, I'll read it.
Posted by T. Holly
at December 25, 2008 12:42 PM
comment #22
T. Holly
says ...
Yes, he reviewed it. No, he doesn't write about it, but I don't like The Kid any better knowing she was a Nazi first (see #17's link). I wonder, did Shawn Levy reviewed it?
Posted by T. Holly
at December 26, 2008 12:39 AM
comment #23
shawn
says ...
T. Holly: I didn't review "The Reader" (my colleague Marc Mohan did), but I saw it and didn't really engage with it sufficiently to ponder Hannah's past and/or guilt excessively -- and not enough to read the novel for deeper understanding.
Posted by shawn
at December 26, 2008 9:53 AM
comment #24
T. Holly
says ...
That's ok, it's a girl thing. The movie was moderately crappy. It should have been based on or inspired by the novel and not an adaptation. If Marc did something out of the ordinary, I'll get back to you.
Posted by T. Holly
at December 26, 2008 10:57 AM
comment #25
T. Holly
says ...
Marc Mohan only says Hanna mysteriously leaves. Did you see how fast she cleared that place out? Washes a milk bottle and off she goes with carry on luggage.
The newest development, and funniest, is that A.J. Schnack thinks this post is a non-fiction headline.
Posted by T. Holly
at December 28, 2008 9:49 AM
comment #26
free games
says ...
That explains why Marley & Me is on so many Ten Best lists.
Posted by free games
at October 27, 2009 12:53 AM
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