"It is theoretically possible to make an apparently bigoted remark that is also factually true and morally sound. Thus, when the Rev. Bailey Smith, one of the deputies of the late Jerry Falwell, claimed that 'God almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,' I was in complete agreement with him. This is because I do not believe that there is any supernatural supervisor who lends an ear to any prayer." -- from a 12.19 Christopher Hitchens Slate piece titled "Three Questions About Rick Warren's Role in the Inauguration." The subtitle: "If we must have an officiating priest, surely we can do better than this vulgar huckster."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on December 24, 2008 at 10:16 AM
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Sabina E
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I'm disappointed with Obama for making such an awful choice in picking that bigot.
Posted by Sabina E
at December 24, 2008 10:36 AM
comment #2
lbeale
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Sorry, I think it's kind of a brilliant move on Obama's part, and an indication he really is trying to reach for inclusiveness and an end to the disgusting partisanship that's been going around for years now. All Barack is saying here is that on certain issues he can do business with this guy, and on others he can't. And if he can get a few right-wing types to start paying attention to his message because of moves like this, where's the harm? This is about creating a climate where we can move forward, and not squabble endlessly. And that means ya gotta listen to the other side, and in the process, maybe co-opt them. It's called politics. I voted for Barack, I'm pretty left-wing, and completely dig what he's doing here.
Posted by lbeale
at December 24, 2008 11:59 AM
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Wiggumx
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I agree with you to a point, lbeale. And that point is this: he would have NEVER chosen a blatantly racist priest. But a homophobic one is considered ok. It gives the message that hating gays is somehow more acceptable, and that's completely untrue. In a world where Prop 8 somehow passes, I feel that we don't need to give the bigots any more credibility than they deserve.
It's not ok to hate on gays, it's not ok to attempt to legislate morality, and it's not ok to deny people basic civil rights.
Posted by Wiggumx
at December 24, 2008 12:19 PM
comment #4
Howlingman
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I keep having this recurring image of Obama totally de-pantsing Warren right there on the stage in front of millions. And then I wake up.
But if the message Obama is sending is that everyone is welcome at this table, even homophobic douche-bags like this, then it is a brilliant move.
Posted by Howlingman
at December 24, 2008 12:51 PM
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nemo
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Or at the very least giving Warren a righteous wedgie.
I guess it's a smart move to make an appeal to the vulgar huckster sucker vote, which is huge.
Posted by nemo
at December 24, 2008 12:58 PM
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Jean
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You know the saying "what would Jesus do?" Obama IS doing what Jesus would do, yet people like Smith & Warren? Not so much...
Posted by Jean
at December 24, 2008 1:17 PM
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lbeale
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Well, Wiggumx, I can't say you're wrong, but sometimes you even have to deal with the blatant bigots, especially if they have power. You can't just ignore the Rick Warrens and Jesse Helmses of the world. Like the saying goes, 'keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.' And let them know you're a bigger person than they are. But in a nice way.
Posted by lbeale
at December 24, 2008 1:17 PM
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BurmaShave
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Other than some granola moonbeams, where exactly are we going to find a credible national religious figure who does not hold Warren's views on homosexuals?
Posted by BurmaShave
at December 24, 2008 2:18 PM
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Kim Voynar
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Burmashave,
For starters, how about Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopalian bishop?
Posted by Kim Voynar
at December 24, 2008 2:41 PM
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Phatang!
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Warren's already eliminated anti-gay rhetoric from his web site and been making "gay friendly" appearances. Which one could argue is a positive development and very good for his followers to see.
On the one hand, it's clearly a cynical move on Obama's part. On the other hand, I think he really DOES believe that this is the way to achieve social change. What I dismiss outright is that Obama is in any way homophobic himself. And he's probably the first president in history you could say that about.
Posted by Phatang!
at December 24, 2008 4:51 PM
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