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Updated with comment added: Daily Beast contributor Gerald Posner reported today that yesterday (12.28) "a Los Angeles entertainment honcho shared a text message with [him] that Mickey Rourke had sent him about Sean Penn: 'Look seans an old friend of mine [but] i didnt buy his performance at all -- thought he did an average pretend acting like he was gay besides hes one of the most homophobic people i kno'" [sic]
Needless to say, it's extremely scummy of Posner's anonymous "Los Angeles entertainment honcho" to pass along a privately-sent text message with the idea that it might possibly turn up in a Daily Beast story. It's craven and low. I posted the item because Posner is a highly respected investigative reporter and author, and because the Daily Beast is a top-of-the-pile, high-profile site. But two key factors were at work here. One, the story wouldn't have been considered persuasive or titillating enough to run without the text message quote. And two, Posner and the DB obviously know that running the text message quote essentially amounts to a double-edged smear, plain and simple. I think it's going to backfire against Rourke and in Penn's favor.
Posner writes that "several entertainment industry sources" have said that Rourke is "trash talking" Penn, but he only mentions two -- the text message plus an alleged comment Rourke made backstage after a "Late Night with David Letterman" taping on 12.23. Rourke allegedly said "he was surprised that so many people seemed to think that Penn was his Oscar competition since 'I'm not even sure he'll get a nomination.'" Doesn't the word "several" mean at least...what, four or five? (If I had three sources on a story, I wouldn't say I had "several" sources -- I would say I had three.)
A friend has written HE with the following comment: "Gerald Posner's use of an unattributed source for his Daily Beast story about the Mickey Rourke/Sean Penn texting reminds me of the sermon in Doubt in which Philip Seymour Hoffman speaks about gossip and compares its irreparable damage to the feathers from a pillow dispersing in the air."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on December 29, 2008 at 8:15 PM
comment #1
Chase Kahn
says ...
And Rourke begins his campaign against being awarded an Oscar...
Posted by Chase Kahn
at December 29, 2008 8:34 PM
comment #2
DeafBrownTrashPunk
says ...
hah!
Posted by DeafBrownTrashPunk
at December 29, 2008 8:35 PM
comment #3
thegreatmags
says ...
yeah right
Posted by thegreatmags
at December 29, 2008 8:39 PM
comment #4
clancy
says ...
I was underwhelmed by the Rourke performance - especially in light of all the praise he has received. The truth is that it is an Oscar-ready role - as it would have been with Nic Cage. Penn's performance is a marvel- just gay enough - just sentimental enough. Penn is going to win.
Posted by clancy
at December 29, 2008 8:41 PM
comment #5
rgmax99
says ...
Haven't seen Milk yet...though I'm looking forward to it. However, Rourke is flat-out dynamite in The Wrestler.
Fuck The Wrestler backlash.
Posted by rgmax99
at December 29, 2008 8:51 PM
comment #6
Redmond
says ...
Well, Mickey Rourke WAS enjoying a resurgence in his acting career.... Jesus.
Posted by Redmond
at December 29, 2008 8:52 PM
comment #7
JckNapier2
says ...
Hmm... an anonymous 'entertainment honcho'? I don't suppose it's someone from Focus Features? Just saying, I'm looking at this as form of mudslinging Oscar campaigning... just seems too suspicious right as Rourke's momentum is really building.
Posted by JckNapier2
at December 29, 2008 9:03 PM
comment #8
MindlessObamaton
says ...
Frankly, Penn's homosity in the role didn't convince me. He tried too hard, IMO. And, he could've phoned that perf in. There just wasn't anything going on in MILK that we didn't learn first in the Shilts book or that great doc made years ago. Like the tired arguement that Mann recreated WHEN WE WERE KINGS into ALI, so has Van Sant just recreated the co into a feature. You don't end the film with any more insight into the man or the events behind his
Posted by MindlessObamaton
at December 29, 2008 9:06 PM
comment #9
MindlessObamaton
says ...
Also, Rourke seems like he barely can function, let alone knows how to text. Just saying. Read any interview and the guy is shell of a man, which he brings to the role of The Ram.
Posted by MindlessObamaton
at December 29, 2008 9:08 PM
comment #10
Redmond
says ...
Mindless, haven't seen the movie, but your comment about Penn trying too hard jives with reports I've read. James Franco recently griped that Penn pushed Van Sant for their love scene to go, God I hate this term, more "Brokeback." I guess he was going for the hard sell. (I went there.)
In the meantime, I don't really see Sean Penn "super liberal" being homophobic, but regardless, nothing about Milk has excited me to see it. However, the buzz on Rourke's performance in The Wrestler has my curiosity fully piqued.
Posted by Redmond
at December 29, 2008 9:15 PM
comment #11
corey3rd
says ...
Mickey, Mickey, Mickey! I think he's trying to sabotage his Oscar chances cause he doesn't want to dress up. What are the chances that the message was really from Jan Michael Vincent?
This is going to kill my chance to make Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man 2: Smoke 'em when you Get 'em.
But quoting private text messages? That's just wrong. And seeing how Mickey knows who received that message, expect Mickey to go Evel on his ass.
Posted by corey3rd
at December 29, 2008 9:21 PM
comment #12
Jonah
says ...
Anybody that says Penn's performance is anything less than great just has a gripe with the man. They may not openly admit it, but that's the reason.
I hope Rourke didn't really do this. Penn has been a supporter of Rourkes for a long time.
Posted by Jonah
at December 29, 2008 9:24 PM
comment #13
TheJeff
says ...
"Also, Rourke seems like he barely can function, let alone knows how to text."
I'm cracking up picturing Rourke in his little glasses trying to bang out a text with those bratwurst-sized fingers.
Posted by TheJeff
at December 29, 2008 10:04 PM
comment #14
William Goss
says ...
It was actually a text from Mickey Mouse. Long story...
Posted by William Goss
at December 29, 2008 10:38 PM
comment #15
deadre
says ...
i haven't seen either of them but i'm rooting for frank langella just because .........
Posted by deadre
at December 29, 2008 10:41 PM
comment #16
Chase Kahn
says ...
OBAMATON -- I don't agree with your assessment of Penn's performance, but I do agree on your opinion of the film as a whole.
I've seen 'MILK' twice now and it keeps eating me that while it's certainly respectable in every way -- and emotional, timely, etc. -- it's a cookie-cutter biopic that works because it's subject works. If this is our Oscar winner it will cap off and define 2008 as a severely underwhelming.
Fine film and all, don't see the "masterpiece" label from Pete Travers...at all.
Posted by Chase Kahn
at December 29, 2008 10:52 PM
comment #17
Phatang!
says ...
Penn made the man smaller. Less charming. Less inspiring. Less intelligent. Less complex. I thought he looked fantastic in the trailers. But he wasn't.
Rourke created a lived in character. Made the movie better than it had any right to be.
Posted by Phatang!
at December 29, 2008 11:00 PM
comment #18
byanyother
says ...
Oh dear. SMEAR. Why don't people see through this kind of crap?
Posted by byanyother
at December 29, 2008 11:06 PM
comment #19
Pinko Punko
says ...
There is no sourcing on this at all- Jeff, jesus H.
Posted by Pinko Punko
at December 29, 2008 11:07 PM
comment #20
drgogol
says ...
Also, Gerald Posner = major league snotnose
Posted by drgogol
at December 29, 2008 11:21 PM
comment #21
scooterzz
says ...
rourke has, once again, shot himself in the foot....or not.....this just adds to the legend (and hopefully the biopic that will star sean penn)...
Posted by scooterzz
at December 29, 2008 11:42 PM
comment #22
BurmaShave
says ...
Still a better reviewer than Ben Lyons.
Posted by BurmaShave
at December 30, 2008 12:26 AM
comment #23
James Rocchi
says ...
1) As pointed out, it's unsourced. 2) As pointed out, it's too easily written off as posturing or power-playing 3) Giving a damn about what an actor does outside of the credits of a film, with the exception of if they commit a felony, is the number one symptom of why our pop culture is dying a slow, sickly, mucus-wheezing death. Why is it that if I want a smart, well-written consumer magazine about movies, I have to reach for Total Film or Empire and not an American equivalent? Why do web stories about relationship 'news' for famous people get more traffic than reviews, interviews, etc? Because of horeshit like this. Gerald Posner's proven he's Perez Hilton with complete sentences. In other words, one of them.
Posted by James Rocchi
at December 30, 2008 1:07 AM
comment #24
Renfield
says ...
This just proves, and, Wells, you must know this well with the whole Vinessa Shaw e-mail debacle, that you can't trust ANYONE in this town.
A buck is a buck and a friend is a "friend".
Disgusting on the source's part.
Posted by Renfield
at December 30, 2008 1:37 AM
comment #25
The InSneider
says ...
Mickey was SO much better than Sean. If Penn wins another Oscar I'll go apeshit. Mickey's is the performance of the year.
Posted by The InSneider
at December 30, 2008 3:06 AM
comment #26
iamwhoiam
says ...
As the legendary Kirk Lazarus would say, Sean Penn definitely went full gay in Milk, but it was still a great performance. In an case, this is highly low-class from Rourke.
Posted by iamwhoiam
at December 30, 2008 3:06 AM
comment #27
Chicago48
says ...
Hasn't Penn done the same to Cage in the past, and some other actors - calling them out as unworthy? Penn hasn't impressed me in several years. The last great performances he gave was in Carlito's Way and Dead Man Walking....since then I haven't paid to see him in a movie.
Posted by Chicago48
at December 30, 2008 3:17 AM
comment #28
Devin Faraci
says ...
AHAHAHA CASED CLOSED Posner?
Give me a fucking break.
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 30, 2008 5:00 AM
comment #29
Devin Faraci
says ...
I followed up with an email to feedback@posner.com. The text follows:
Mr. Posner,
My name is Devin Faraci. I am a writer for a film website called CHUD.com (Cinematic Happenings Under Development), and I am interested in running your story regarding Mickey Rourke text messaging about Sean Penn. I have some questions, though.
1) What is your source on this story? Unsourced this seems like a tenuous tale at best.
2) What is the news angle on this story? As someone who closed the case on the JFK assassination, I would assume that you would be interested in hard news items. This appears, on the surface, to be a celebrity fluff piece of nonsense slightly less newsworthy than a report on Paris' feelings re: Lindsay Lohan. I don't mean to second guess an important investigative reporter, but I was hoping that an explanation of the news value of this piece might help me in shaping my own story on CHUD.com.
3) Are you as full of shit as you seem?
Thanks in advance for you help,
Devin Faraci
Cinematic Happenings Under Development
www.chud.com
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/author-11406
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 30, 2008 5:05 AM
comment #30
Josh Massey
says ...
Devin, why did you have to lob that snark grenade at the end? You might have actually gotten an answer.
Posted by Josh Massey
at December 30, 2008 5:17 AM
comment #31
MindlessObamaton
says ...
I'm cracking up picturing Rourke in his little glasses trying to bang out a text with those bratwurst-sized fingers.
great post, man. And I as I said right above, in total agreement with you.
Look, it hardly matters what he did or didn't say or text. I don't believe Rourke is texting anyone ever. But besides all that, does Penn need ANOTHER oscar. Really? Not for this, I say. Out of all theguys who could be nominated, don't we all want to see rourke win? How great would that be to see this guy shanble up to the stage. Tears flowing, it'd be amazing. I think it would. I'm not even a huge fan. I like the "idea" of Rourke maybe more than the man himself. But the way he really puts it all out there in this film is pretty great. I don't even think he was acting. So maybe, somehow, he doesn't deserve it over some other guy who is really "acting," but no matter what it is a PERFORMANCe, and it might be the best thing anyone's done this year (well, except for Ledger, of course).
Posted by MindlessObamaton
at December 30, 2008 5:53 AM
comment #32
EDouglasCS
says ...
Devin, why would Posner give up his source? And I certainly don't see sources listed on plenty of your CHUD scoops so not sure why you'd expect anyone else to give up theirs. ? DIdn't you see Nothing But the Truth?
Regardless of whether it's true or not (and seriously, why wouldn't it be? There are plenty of homophobes in Hollywood, even those who consider themselves liberal), Rourke is probably the last person to be throwing stones in glass houses and if Penn is indeed homopobic, than his performance is even more amazing for him facing his fears/prejudices to play the role.
Posted by EDouglasCS
at December 30, 2008 6:05 AM
comment #33
Ray
says ...
At the end of his life, Mickey can stare at his ugly mug in the mirror and have all the answers he needs for why everything he ever had was wasted.
Posted by Ray
at December 30, 2008 6:39 AM
comment #34
Piper71
says ...
Yeah,
He and Penn are really, really good friends. That's why Rourke is spending time bagging on his performance.
I haven't seen Milk yet, but I'm going to guess Rourke is probably spot on. Penn is always too much for me.
Posted by Piper71
at December 30, 2008 7:29 AM
comment #35
lonniechung
says ...
Rourke is good, but the backstory is more compelling than the performance (still top notch, but more so in the context of real life). Sean Penn fell into the trap of impersonation rather than fleshing out a personality (you wanted Harvey to appear as more than the sum of the events). Frank Langella was fantastic, but the film was so set in mediocrity it's hard to imagine him rising above. As much as I can't believe I'm saying this, Clint may deserve it this year. Sure, he's doing what he always does, but the third act turn is about as compelling - and in some ways unexpected - as it gets. He takes the one-dimensional (by choice) character and turns it inside out. Surprising.
Posted by lonniechung
at December 30, 2008 7:40 AM
comment #36
BurmaShave
says ...
Sean Penn already owes Bill Murray an Oscar, it'd be a shame if he took Mickey's over some chickenshit thing like this.
Posted by BurmaShave
at December 30, 2008 8:12 AM
comment #37
Breedlove
says ...
Devin, did you read 'Case Closed'? Curious if you had specific issues with it. Pretty interesting book.
Penn is really fantastic in 'Milk' - a totally winning performance that's unlike anything else I've seen him do. Haven't seen 'The Wrestler' yet but hopefully Rourke is even better.
Posted by Breedlove
at December 30, 2008 8:53 AM
comment #38
Jonah
says ...
"Sean Penn already owes Bill Murray an Oscar, it'd be a shame if he took Mickey's over some chickenshit thing like this. "
Bill Murray is the most overrated SERIOUS actor in Hollywood. He's a comedic genius, but his performance in Lost In Translation was average at best.
Posted by Jonah
at December 30, 2008 11:40 AM
comment #39
Devin Faraci
says ...
Ed, there's a difference between posting a story about a casting choice and posting a scurrilous personal bit of shitty gossip. A huge difference.
Posted by Devin Faraci
at December 30, 2008 12:23 PM
comment #40
/3rtfu11
says ...
Jonah says ...
Bill Murray is the most overrated SERIOUS actor in Hollywood.
Overrated by the village but not by Hollywood.
Posted by /3rtfu11
at December 30, 2008 12:23 PM
comment #41
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
C.H.U.D. = Calloused.Hands.Under.Devin
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at December 30, 2008 1:27 PM
comment #42
the400blows
says ...
I don't understand all the attention Sean Penn is getting for his performance as Milk. He was very good, but it was hardly one of his best performances. As a matter of fact, I'll take Josh Brolin's rendition of George W. Bush over Penn's rendition of Milk. I even liked W. more than Milk. Whereas Milk was more of a political commentary film, W. was more of a character study film. That's why I liked W. more than Milk.
Posted by the400blows
at December 31, 2008 1:58 AM
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