comment #1

Gordon27 says ...

Yeah! And how can anybody read Jim Thompson? He writes about such sick things! And how can anybody enjoy Takashi Miike films? They're so disgusting! No art at all! Stay off my lawn!

comment #2

Gordon27 says ...

dammit - that was 33. Delete "They're so disgusting".

comment #3

Breedlove says ...

God that was funny...couldn't stop laughing. That's my reaction. Just pure comedy.

comment #4

Tim says ...

What a waste of talent.

Life's hard enough without shit like this.

comment #5

The Winchester says ...

Sure, they compile all the kills, but they don't show the cut scenes where the hero opens up a children's hospital, and saves some orphaned kittens.

Fair and unbalanced my ass.

comment #6

The Winchester says ...

Also, you think that's bad, check out this one.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/hot_new_video_game_consists

comment #7

Big Black says ...

Will context even matter to you? Probably not, I'm guessing.. Every person getting killed in that video is trying to kill your character in the game. Ever seen THE RUNNING MAN or THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME, HARD TARGET? Same premise, with a twist: man on death row for undisclosed crime is executed... only not. The public at large thinks he's dead, but he wakes up in a cell, with Brian Cox on a loudspeaker telling him that he's been saved from execution to try to survive a night navigating through a ghost town populated with various gangs that are all trying to track and kill him for an international closed-circuit pay per view audience. It's a blood sport and you're the prey, being hunted by everyone from nazi skinheads to swat teams to psycho survivalists. I'm not saying the game is either deep or high art, but it does have a point: kill or be killed. Judging things without experiencing them, either films or video games or books or people, is both unfair and unwise.

comment #8

Travis Crabtree says ...

I think that's more than 30 words, Big Black.

Also, the guy in the videogame is a fucking coward. Is there anyone he doesn't attack from behind?

comment #9

corey3rd says ...

That's not how to properly recycle plastic bags.

comment #10

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Agree with Big Black - it's ridiculous condemning this game without context, and due to the fact that almost every single one of these kills can be found in a multitude of Hollywood movies. Fuck, some of the milder ones wouldn't be out of place in Coppola/Scorsese movies.

At least there isn't a torture-glee videogame like Hostel II yet. Absurd to write off an entire art form (and video games are increasingly becoming an art form rather than simply entertainment) because of a few yucky moments you find unpleasant.

comment #11

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Gordon - if you can't see a line gets crossed with this title, there's no educating you on how those are different than this.

I only have 1 word, feel free to repeat 25 times: dehumanizing.

comment #12

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Deathtongue - explain how this is more repellent than Hostel II.

comment #13

Travis Crabtree says ...

I'm afraid I'm going to have to go Old Man with Jeffrey on this one. What some of you are forgetting is the game is first-person. In a movie, you're watching someone cut someone else's head off. On something like this, a ten year old boy (with poor adult supervision) is assuming the role of the executioner. ("Cool, I sawed his face off! Look at him bleed!") It's fucked up.
Then again, I was a big fan of Armyman 3D.

comment #14

astrophore says ...

Jeff, those dudes he killed were from red states and all took part in the teabagging yesterday. They own every Michael Bay film on pan-and-scan VHS. When they go out to a restaurant, they never bring pocket cake. They voted for Bush in '04, '00 and '96. They use phones, not cowboy hats, to make hotel reservations. And not one of them ever slept on sheets with more than 200 threads.

So don't sweat it.

comment #15

BurmaShave says ...

I actually found that really sickening. Now does that mean it made me appreciate violence more or less? Also I love how this is on YouTube, but they won't allow tits.

comment #16

astrophore says ...

All joking aside, the worst part about this is wondering what it will take to offend us in 2015.

comment #17

Gordon27 says ...

"On something like this, a ten year old boy (with poor adult supervision) is assuming the role of the executioner."

Hold on, now. There is a world of difference between saying that video games are now an artform and saying that 10 year olds should be playing this game. You're making a specious connection -- the game is very clearly NOT meant for children, labelled as such, and sold as such.

comment #18

Gordon27 says ...

"if you can't see a line gets crossed with this title, there's no educating you on how those are different than this."

So, basically, you're saying that if I don't already agree with your opinion, there are no facts you can use to change my mind? Sounds about right.

"only have 1 word, feel free to repeat 25 times: dehumanizing."

It only feels like repeating it 25 times because it's been the same refrain from people every step of the way; violent books (like Jim Thompson)? "Dehumanizing! Think of the children!" Violent comic book (EC Comics)? "Dehumanizing! Senate trials! Drive him out of business!" Violent movies? "Dehumanizing! Natural Born Killers killed my uncle!" Violent video games? "Finish him! My god, they're encouraging violence!"

And somehow, everybody who sees the line in entertainment change with *no* significant link to the actual level of violence in the country, they always look at the new thing and say, "The difference between all those other things people used to complain about and this is that this goes too far, this really dehumanizes!"

And life goes on.

comment #19

Wes Caline says ...

its gross, but hey, killing teenage pirates who are about to surrender is cool!

comment #20

Gordon27 says ...

Wes - I have never seen your name on a post before, but kudos for a wonderful point.

comment #21

BurmaShave says ...

Gordon27, why is that a wonderful point?

comment #22

Gordon27 says ...

Burma - did you read Jeff's frothing at the mouth post, talking about how we needed a good violent movie about these pirates super-quick?

comment #23

Gordon27 says ...

(a sample quote):
"Make the pirates scream for mercy and then really turn on the screws. Feed them to hungry beasts, and then use their guts to grease the treads of tanks."

Talk about dehumanizing!

comment #24

Jason says ...

Around five years ago I played a demo of Postal 2. It permits you to engage in similar acts of inhumanity. You can chase people with your wang exposed, piss on them, beat them with a baseball bat, douse them in gasoline, and burn them alive. I did all of these things. At first, I chuckled at the sheer outrageousness of what you could do. Then I put a Bush/Cheney sign in my yard.

Actually, I became nauseated at the evil deeds I had performed in this virtual world. I knew it wasn't real, but I still felt disgusted with myself. I quit the game, erased it from my hard drive, then waterboarded my mom.

But seriously, it made me feel ill. And if you don't feel sick after watching this fucking death pornography, click through and read the enthusiastic YouTube comments.

comment #25

Chase Kahn says ...

"what kind of sick fuck would dream up the violent stuff in that game"?

I said the same thing after seeing "Last House on the Left"

I've always felt that videogames have their digital barrier that dissociates any violence I see on the screen from reality -- maybe it's just my generation (I'm 21), but videogames get such a bad wrap.

Remember that "Mass Effect" scandal on Fox News a year ago? That cunt who called out the folks over at BioWare for putting nudity in their game freely admitted that she had never even played it -- which if she had, she would have realized "Mass Effect" is one tame animal that's not about stargazing and hookin' up with aliens.

comment #26

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

So I'm from the Midwest, listen to metal music, and play these sort of video games. I guess that makes me 0/3 in Wells' eyes -- and some sort of perverted Death Row convict -- but I'm relatively well-adjusted and abhor violence in real-life.

Funny how Jeff usually ends these sort of things by saying, "the guy who created/did this should be taken out to the shed and beaten [or some comparable form of personal pain]." I guess he thought it prudent to lessen the punishment in this particular post, hmmm I wonder why?

H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.

"I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what Larry Flynt does. But, what I do like is that I live in a country where you and I can make that decision for ourselves."

-- Alan Isaacman (Edward Norton), PvLF

comment #27

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

By the way, this is a pretty good game for what it is. You know, it's basically the equivalent of a hard-R action film. Big Black already summed it up pretty well above (#7).

comment #28

BurmaShave says ...

Gordon27, that one completely slipped my mind. Yeah excellent point. I thought Wes was comparing the Navy SEALs with this game, which would be a little asinine.

comment #29

Gordon27 says ...

"once watched my son Dylan play Grand Theft Auto, asking him at one point what kind of sick fuck would dream up the violent stuff in that game"

Out of curiosity... was it the one that ripped off 'Scarface' wholesale? Maybe it was the one that re-enacted stuff from 'Reservoir Dogs'? Could've been the one that was a 'Godfather' knock-off too...

"I'm asking HE reader to watch this footage"

That's a specious challenge -- you could edit together two minutes from 'Salo' that would convince people it was a vile, reprehensible movie, but there are plenty of reputable film critics who stand by it as a masterpiece.

I have never played that game, but I have a friend who has; since he and I enjoy 'Grand Theft Auto' in exactly the same way, I will assume the same is true of this game (which seems a lot like, say, 'Hitman'): Release of socially unacceptable aggression in socially acceptable ways. (9 words)

comment #30

BurmaShave says ...

Apparently Brian Cox did one of the main voices in this thing. I have to believe it's not totally disgusting.

comment #31

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

And yeah -- specious challenge is about right. This is a demonstration (presumably from the game testers) of straight kills in which the enemies are unable to defend themselves.

The game is undoubtedly violent, don't get me wrong, but it does not play quite like this. if you edit all the action together in Commando, it looks like a wet dream dedicated to automatic fire; edit the swearing together and Scarface becomes a Sam Kinison concert without the jokes, etc.

comment #32

BurmaShave says ...

Oh wait I think that's his voice at the end. Never mind.

comment #33

actionman says ...

Meh. I'd rather watch Oldboy or Sympathy for Mr. Vengenance instead.

comment #34

D. says ...

"The guy who created this needs to be put in a damp dungeon, his leg chained to the floor, a pile of straw to sleep on. For life."

Only if Bush and his CIA flunkies get prosecuted for war crimes first. But hey, you liked it when they did the same thing in the Inglorious Basterds script, so...

comment #35

Sabina E says ...

what a fucked up, disgusting video. It's easy for middle class to upper class Americans to play this game, laugh at the violence and think it's funny because they never have to worry about this in their lives, since they're safely tucked away in their precious, sheltered world.

Pathetic.

comment #36

Sabina E says ...

Don't forget those rape fantasy videogames from Japan where you can create a female character, stalk her, rape her, and beat her to death.

People are really some worthless vile creatures.

comment #37

moviesquad says ...

Wow Jeff. You are only getting to this game about 6 years after its initial release and two years after the release of its sequel which sparked a huge controversy and ultimately forced the producer to obscure the killing scenes.

Nice way to stay on top of the news.

comment #38

D. says ...

moviesquad: This might be the Wii version.

comment #39

MovieBob says ...

....really? This bothers you that much? I you were Mister Jaded Cinephile CoolGuy, you sound like some Bible-thumping redneck on this.

comment #40

Wes Caline says ...

D is from the same one-note parody world that
"actionlover" comes from.
Whats next? Burma Shake?

comment #41

glass_family says ...

Just to bring it up, the newest Grand Theft Auto does offer a bit more morality than the usual fare, giving you some choice on if you feel the need to kill someone or not. At the end of the day, you still end up killing the lion's share, but as someone who brought up this point already, it's a lot about context.

That said, I'm a pretty well put together 30 year old who, in his off time, enjoys the hell out of playing GTA or Resistance (in which you kill aliens). Mostly, it's to get my mind a bit off the heavier things in life we all have to deal with, and it's also entirely cathartic. Years ago, when I was a P.A., GTA was just what the doctor ordered after spending a day in L.A. traffic. It's had no pull on me as a human being, just a way to blow off steam.

And tons of kudos to the person that brought out "pocket-cake." Bravo, kind sir.

comment #42

BurmaShave says ...

I would be so flattered by Burma Shake.

comment #43

ZayTonday says ...

Not only is it reprehensible but Manhunt 2 is just an all around shitty game.

comment #44

ZayTonday says ...

GTA4 however is a pretty cool game with violence no worse than watching The Departed.

comment #45

D. says ...

The BD rip-off continues.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118002512.html?categoryId=3597&cs=1

Sofia Coppola runs out of ideas.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118002519.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

comment #46

Luke Y. Thompson says ...

I thought that was hilarious shit, but I wouldn't want a kid playing it.

I want to buy this game now.

And there may not be a Hostel game, but there will be a SAW game...movie games usually suck, though.

comment #47

Jonah says ...

Who let Deafbrown in here?

comment #48

BurmaShave says ...

D., get your priorities straight. Dorff is back on top!

comment #49

DarthCorleone says ...

Sorry - it made me laugh because it was so ridiculous.

Count me on the side of those here defending the game. They have already made all points that I would have made in terms of context, comparisons to movies and literature, strategic editing, the fact that this game is intended for mature players, etc.

I was a big fan of cheesy 80s Arnold action movies, and I don't see any difference here. If that says I'm insensitive and screwed up, then I guess I'm insensitive and screwed up. However, I consider myself a well-adjusted pacifist in real life who abhors violence and takes it extremely seriously.

comment #50

JCEFalconi says ...

The game is pretty raw, but like a lot of people said, a lot of movies are as raw as that, It's all so over the top.

It reminds me of the last few week's debacle about the "date-rape" scene in Observe and Report, even if they are showing despicable acts, so what? The same with this game.

Even if I do think, some dopey white supremacists teens will become extremely happy playing this game. I think I'll forever be in the "no censure to anything that's for and made by consenting adults and does not involve actual bodily harm nor death" clause.

comment #51

hunterd says ...

So, Wells thinks people who create simulated violence should be subjected to real violence? But isn't his blog posting a sort of imagining of violence...

So does Wells think he should be physically punished for this? And if so, when did he become a Catholic?

comment #52

hunterd says ...

"It reminds me of the last few week's debacle about the "date-rape" scene in Observe and Report, even if they are showing despicable acts, so what? The same with this game."

The point isn't the scene, it's that Seth Rogen, Jody Hill and the entire crew of the film seem to have no idea that the scene is even more grotesque with the "whyjdostoooop muthafuuukka" line. They simply don't know what rape is.

Rogen's dunderheaded quote, when taken in the context of his rape-tastic Superbad, display something very sad about many American men in his age range (which is to say, my peers).

The debate wasn't about the film, it was about what the film told us about the filmmakers.

And, by the by, what the fuck is "POCKET CAKE"?

comment #53

Wrecktem says ...

Next thing you know, Wells will be going after Mortal Kombat. Finish him!

comment #54

frankbooth says ...

How does that Onion story even qualify as satire? Don't you have to exaggerate reality?

comment #55

dinovelvet says ...

Great game, and yeah this video doesn't represent what the game is really about any more if you condensed all the brutal moments in such 'classy' fare as Goodfellas or Silence of the lambs into a two minute video.

Anyway, everything's always better when its done Benny Hill style :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6u6mWf-tg&feature=PlayList&p=EB8C8EBB3CAA932F&index=0&playnext=1

comment #56

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Darth - might want to be read more carefully, neither Jeff, I or many others hauled children into this argument. That's coming from those who want to bullshit their way to a straw-man, "Think of the children!" angle.

As to the yahoos who think that "you're killing guys who are out to kill you" is some sort of bullet-proof argument, then please explain to me the millions of former soldiers who suffered PTSD. I meant, Nazi's and Toho-loyalist Japanese were pretty bloodthirsty, so it within reason to kill them, right?

"So, basically, you're saying that if I don't already agree with your opinion, there are no facts you can use to change my mind? Sounds about right."

No, but if you start making specious arguments invoking art forms that actually have the context of a story or the usual, cliched strawman crap invoking past issues of overreaction, then trying to engage on a factual level is pretty pointless. Your reply pretty much confirmed this.

And if you think there's no rise in the level of violence, you might want to talk to the FBI, who feel that the number of serial killers currently operating in the United States is at an all-time high. Think about that the next time you have to use the rest-stop at 1am and the only other vehicle is a big rig idling nearby.

comment #57

lazarus says ...

The common defense of this shit is "It's not meant for children, so it's okay". We all know that there are tons of Red State parents who will buy (or steal) this for their kids and not even care what the rating is. I love the notion that ONLY people 18 and over will get their hands on it.

Should people be allowed to create and release games like this? Sure. It would also be nice if the general public could hunt these game designers down and beat them within an inch of their lives on the street, so they have autobiographical experience for the sequel.

The bottom line is the first person factor that a couple people have mentioned but the game defenders won't address. There's a certain detachment with watching a film (not that I'm a fan of torture porn), which is different from allowing YOU, THE PLAYER to live vicariously through acting out these atrocities with your game controller. It's fucking sick that people actually enjoy playing this stuff, and while I don't think they should be thrown into prison, I sure as hell don't want to be around any of them. They're the same people who, before these games, would probably torture cats for fun.

comment #58

Kristopher Tapley says ...

Ugh. More pussiness. Come on. I think it looks awesome.

:shrug:

comment #59

Gnome de Guerre says ...

Why does so much entertainment revolve around either watching violence or playing at it? (whether the violence is "fake", staged, surrogate, whatever)

Could be a good game, could be a good movie, could be a cock fight or just a boxing match from the nosebleed seats. Commando. Delta Force. TDK. Pulp Fiction. Space Invaders, WoW, GTA. Even a Hello Kitty game where you whack aliens with your purse.

Why is violence so central to so many people's idea of fun?

comment #60

Bob Violence says ...

Jeff should write editorials for The Onion

"This 'Night Trap' Phenomenon Must Be Stopped"

comment #61

hunterd says ...

Re: Lazarus

Actually, violence amongst youths in the US has been on a consistent downward trend since 1993.

As for serial killers. The pathology of a normal person will not be effected by a game like this. And, in fact, there is no evidence that type of material even gets violent criminals off. The major study on this type of material found that convicted murders and felons experienced no abnormal arousal during violent movies, even rape scenes. The only film that really had any impact was 'I Spit on Your Grave" because the rape in that was so totally unsexy and drawn out.

Ironically enough, THAT film was made with honest intentions after the director spent some time volunteering at a rape crisis center.

Look, if the Marque De Sade couldn't destroy culture and society with his book, Rockstar games won't with their slick brand on idiotic nihilism.

But you know what is dangerous Lazarus? Endorsing real violence against real people because they choose to use their constitutionally guaranteed rights in a way that you don't like. That's not just hypocritical, it's fascist.

How is your description of beating the gamemakers to within an inch of their lives any different from what the game makers did when making their game?

Well, except that their game "kills" pixels and your call to arm is against real flesh and blood.

So who is the real creep here?

Post Script: I have never played this game. I have no desire to play this game. I don't even play video games. I never had anything other than a gameboy as far as consoles go. This is an issue of principal for me.

comment #62

Clay says ...

Recent 'Water Dogs' post -10 kool points
Gazillion ads throughout site -25 pts.
Advocating censorship -50 pts.
Criticizing a 5 year old game he hasn't played based solely on scenes taken out of context -45 pts.
Criticizing an art form he is not familiar with -40 pts.
-------------------------
= epic fail

Rating: out of touch d-bag
Suggested: MovieLine.com is now live
Comments: LOL at 'Night Trap' post

comment #63

theultimatebiu says ...

I am definitely not a fan of these games but I can't see why anyone can legitimately call for their removal, what with freedom of speech and all that jazz. You can't really judge the whole game on 8 minutes worth of footage taken out of context anyway.

comment #64

Tom Brazelton says ...

Wells is really showing his conservative, reactionary side this week. First heavy metal, now violent video games?

I guess my question is how did your son Dylan get a hold of Grand Theft Auto? Isn't that rated M for Mature? A parent would have to buy it, wouldn't they?...

Maybe you don't agree with the content. Fine. Neither do I. But I wouldn't call for the removal of it or the gulag jailing of the content creator.

You know who might, though... Bill O'Reilly.

comment #65

Rich S. says ...

They should probably clear a space in the cell next to the video game guys for Martin Scorsese. At least half a dozen of those kills are direct duplicates of mob hits in his films.

The guy in the game really is a coward, though. Of all the killings, in only one, the last one, is he facing the guy when he kills him. And in that case, he's attacking an unarmed man with a chainsaw.

comment #66

mccool says ...

The greatest irony of HE is Jeff's posturing as an open-minded liberal and patron of the arts. A liberal and art-lover with microscopic vision of what constitutes art who is incapable of empathy. He's such a walking, talking contradiction that i don't know how he doesn't annihilate himself like in some glorious matter/anti-matter reaction (although given the amount of anger and negativity he carries around with him on a daily basis I have to imagine this has already happened to the lining of his stomach).

I may have just signed my ticket to Siberia...

comment #67

bents75 says ...

I think the greatest irony of HE is that you break out the same rants post after post Mccool and expect different results.

'Wells is a bigot, Wells contradicts himself, Wells is intolerant.... I can't stand him, but i'm still here posting 25 times a day.'

I'm really glad you're here to explain these things to us.

Same stupid shit, different day.

comment #68

va says ...

I got through 18 seconds -- I have kids the same ages (appx.) as Jeff's, so maybe that's why I am so nauseous after seeing this. I agree with Jeff's punishment 100%.

comment #69

mccool says ...

Sorry to piss on your hero, bents...it's unfortunate that such a repugnant person also happens to run a blog that has some actual intellectual and engaging people that compel me to come back here. Sorry I'm incapable of biting my tongue more often.

The greater irony is that I break out the same rants post after post and yet you still read comments with the header "mccool".

"I can't stand you but I still read all of your comments and feel compelled to comment on how obvious and redundant your observations are".

You're no different amigo.

comment #70

Tom Brazelton says ...

Isn't that comeback a more verbose take on "I know you are, but what am I?"

comment #71

DarthCorleone says ...

hunterd>> Thank you. Well said.

Deathtongue>> We're usually on the same page, but - sorry - I disagree completely with you. The reason that I brought up children is that I think decrying the playing of this game (or any violent video game, for that matter) is ridiculous unless you're talking about children, and it's difficult for me to fathom in a forum such as this one that censorship (and violence against those would be censored) would be endorsed.

I would never let my kid (if I had one) play this. I play many video games with my nieces, and they stay away from Resident Evil, for example, because: 1) I won't let them near it, and 2) they're scared of it regardless.

The "killing guys who are out to kill you" argument - as I see it - is simply explaining the storyline of the game. This particular game is basically a riff on The Most Dangerous Game, The Running Man, Mean Guns, Battle Royale, etc. Are those things that inspire a similar disgust for you? Whether or not the answer to that question is "yes," would your reaction be the same, or do literature and/or films receive some sort of special immunity in this argument?

I don't see any "straw men" or anything "specious" in what I'm saying. The bottom line is that I'm an adult with no violent history and no intent to ever commit violent acts. I am fully capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality, and it's unfortunate that so many on this thread give their fellow human beings no credit for making that distinction, especially on a website so focused on a medium that is largely about diversions of fantasy.

lazarus>> Do video games like this get into the hands of kids? Yes. Should they? Absolutely not. I don't think kids should be sneaking into rated-R movies without supervision either, but it still happens. Does that mean these games shouldn't exist and can't be enjoyed by adults? Sorry - in this country, the answer is a resounding "no." Do you know what the average age of people who consider themselves video-game players is these days? I forget the exact number, but I know it was at least in the late twenties.

The feeling is mutual. I have no desire to be around you either, as you are yet someone else in this thread who believes that beating game designers to within an inch of their lives is acceptable. I would NEVER torture a cat or any living thing for fun, so perhaps you should reevaluate your sweeping generalizations.

comment #72

MAGGA says ...

I'm not one for holding video games to a higher standard than movies, but this made me laugh:

"I'm not saying the game is either deep or high art, but it does have a point: kill or be killed."

What kind of a point is that?

comment #73

rr3333 says ...

Awaiting the movie version starring Jason Statham. You know it's going to happen.

comment #74

Gordon27 says ...

DTG:
"As to the yahoos who think that "you're killing guys who are out to kill you" is some sort of bullet-proof argument, then please explain to me the millions of former soldiers who suffered PTSD."

This is a stupid point. PTSD is generally considered to have a lot more to do with constantly being in an environment where other people want to kill you; the you killing others part is a different thing altogether (that's why PTSD can happen when you don't kill somebody at all -- because it's about stress, not killing).

"No, but if you start making specious arguments invoking art forms that actually have the context of a story"

But you're the one who is COMPLETELY dismissing the context of the story of the video game. I am invoking other art forms about which people have made EXACTLY the same arguments you're making, and saying "It doesn't apply to those, only to this" (the same way those arguments were made).

"And if you think there's no rise in the level of violence, you might want to talk to the FBI, who feel that the number of serial killers currently operating in the United States is at an all-time high."

And by "think" you mean "they can't prove it, of course, but if they don't say this, they lose some of their funding", right? Because statistics disagree with you.

lazarus:
"The common defense of this shit is "It's not meant for children, so it's okay". We all know that there are tons of Red State parents who will buy (or steal) this for their kids and not even care what the rating is. I love the notion that ONLY people 18 and over will get their hands on it."

Same is true of porn and a lot of other stuff which is fully protected. Bad parenting. Simple as that.

"They're the same people who, before these games, would probably torture cats for fun."

Since you're creating straw man arguments, I'm just going to say that anybody who wants to ban a video game is a fascist Nazi who, if video games weren't around, would probably want to ban Judiasm instead.

comment #75

Gordon27 says ...

"It would also be nice if the general public could hunt these game designers down and beat them within an inch of their lives on the street, so they have autobiographical experience for the sequel."

Wait! I totally get it now. The people who have such a strong response to the video game are the ones who have a problem distinguishing between violence in a fantasy video game and violence in real-life. Therefore, they assume that *everybody* has the same problems with recognizing what is real and what isn't, and feel the need to protect people from this plague of confusion. What's funny is, the people who actually do play the game have no such problem, any more than they did when the game was 'Night Trap', 'Mortal Kombat', or 'Pong'.

Maybe if you played more violent video games, you would have a place to channel your obvious problems with violence and aggression into something a little more socially acceptable than beating up video game designers.

comment #76

Gordon27 says ...

"then please explain to me the millions of former soldiers who suffered PTSD."

Here's a wikipedia article which explains a lot of the basics that you obviously don't understand. Notice how, under the list of "possible causes of PTSD", "committing violence" is not one of them; the key is "life-threatening", which leads to excessive stress, which can lead to PTSD.

I'm sorry to single out one of your numerous non-scientific points, but this is the only specific detail you gave me to refute at all. Everything else you said is too vague or obviously untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_traumatic_stress_disorder

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tfresca says ...

What kills me is that these games cost $50 - $60 a piece. For me that's all the parental sticker it needs. Let's be honest parents pay up because they want the kids to shut up and leave them alone. This equals 10 hours of silence . I'm an adult and I play game often. Playing Mercenaries doesn't make me a soldier and playing Peggle doesn't make a ball being shot from a cannon. It's all fiction. This game probably wouldn't be for me but another one might.

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arabia says ...

Your opnions on this matter is very interesting...I never would have come to that conclusion!!

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