Not Shown The Money

"Marvel made a choice, and it was a very, very bad choice. They didn't keep their word. They didn't honor my contract. They produced a great bounty with the first one but they put it all in the storehouse and you were not allowed in. They did the same thing with Gwyneth Paltrow, from what I've been told. They did it with almost everyone except Robert Downey [Jr.]. One of the things that actors need to learn to do is always stick together, one for all and all for one." -- Former Iron Man costar Terrence Howard speaking to Parade's Jeanne Wolf.

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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on April 23, 2009 at 11:19 AM

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Colin Author Profile Page says ...

Seems like an excellent choice to me. Replace Howard with a much better actor, Don Cheadle.

Of course I do wonder what bad karma will be wrought upon Iron Man 2 as Howard says.

Posted by Colin Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:33 AM

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rr3333 Author Profile Page says ...

What did they do to poor Gwynny? Did they replace her with Betty White?

Cheadle blows Howard out of the water. Good choice by Marvel.

Posted by rr3333 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:39 AM

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115thDreamer Author Profile Page says ...

Wow, Colin, harsh dig at Howard there. Don't get me wrong, Don Cheadle is awesome, but Howard is not exactly chopped liver. Check out "Hustle & Flow" and watch how his character changes over the course of that flick (especially note the hard look in his eyes disappear gradually)....Terrence Howard is the fucking man, and there's no way they should have dicked him out of Iron Man 2. I mean, having choice actors in the supporting roles is an established way to add color/flavor to a super-hero / action flick....would you have bumpted Gary Oldman out of TDK and hired someone else to play Gordon? Of course not.

Posted by 115thDreamer Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:42 AM

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rr3333 Author Profile Page says ...

It didnt help Howard that he has the well deserved rep of being a major pain in the ass.

Posted by rr3333 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:45 AM

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Colin Author Profile Page says ...

Gary Oldman did excellently as Commsioner Cordon. Howard was background scenery for Downey to chew on, he never really made an impression. Frankly I don't know why Howard gets work in general.

Posted by Colin Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:52 AM

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Colin Author Profile Page says ...

*commisoner gordon

Posted by Colin Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:53 AM

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Tom Brazelton Author Profile Page says ...

For the sake of consistency, I would have preferred that they kept Howard on Iron Man 2, but I was not displeased by their choice to replace him with Cheadle.

But there is something missing in Howard's story. It's very possible that Marvel dicked everyone around on salary, but why was he shown the exit when no one else was? Maybe he thought he couldn't be fired if Marvel ever decided to produce a War Machine spin-off.

If nothing else, I would think a Cheadle as a replacement would have cost MORE than to keep Howard on board. Isn't he the more highly esteemed actor?

Posted by Tom Brazelton Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:56 AM

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LATN Author Profile Page says ...

there was an article in entertainment weekly a few months back talking about how terrence howard was the highest paid actor on iron man (even more than RDJ) and they wanted to renegotiate his salary for IM2 (to get it more in line with what the other supporting actors were making) Plus he was a douchebag on the set.

Posted by LATN Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:56 AM

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lonniechung Author Profile Page says ...

Come on Terrance, it's Iron Man 2 - Favs doesn't need to put up with difficult for a cash grab. You get bitchy and you get gone.

Posted by lonniechung Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:56 AM

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Phatang! Author Profile Page says ...

I don't get why this post is called "Not Shown The Money." Oh, wait, yest I do! It's because Terrence Howard was in "Jerry Maguire," and he had that famous line... oh, no, it wasn't Terrence Howard it was another actor... who? Ah, Cuba Gooding Jr.! That's right. So wait, then why was this titled "Not Shown The Money?" Is there a connection between the two actors that I'm missing?

Posted by Phatang! Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 12:26 PM

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mccool Author Profile Page says ...

You're reaching, Phatang.

Posted by mccool Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 12:31 PM

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Kristopher Tapley Author Profile Page says ...

I've yet to fully understand this situation, to be honest. But if they didn't honor a contract, why doesn't he just sue them?

Posted by Kristopher Tapley Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:13 PM

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The Winchester Author Profile Page says ...

This quote is from Parade magazine? You make fun of my weight, but you read Parade magazine?

Howard is normally a decent actor, but he's actually kind of terrible in Iron Man. He looks bored, or stoned (sometimes there is no difference) and he had absolutely no presence whatsoever.

Posted by The Winchester Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:14 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

I guess this is the return of my pro-Howard rant. At least Dreamer's on my side this time.

Colin: "Seems like an excellent choice to me. Replace Howard with a much better actor, Don Cheadle."

But does he have the same chemistry as Howard?

"Howard was background scenery for Downey to chew on, he never really made an impression. "

He was supposed to shine in the sequel.

LATN: I'm guessing RDJ was paid less than Howard, because of RDJ's reputation for ditching work to do drugs, which is also why they almost didn't hire him. And Paltrow isn't exactly a box office draw. So I'm guessing Howard got paid more, because he at least had more high-profile projects to his name, if nothing else.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:18 PM

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LexG Author Profile Page says ...

Re: Jamie Foxx's HILARIOUS radio interview where clowns Terrence Howard:

"What's goin' on witch u, Iron Man, mayne?"

"What's goin' on wit this Hustle and Flow, mayne?"

Posted by LexG Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:18 PM

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BurmaShave Author Profile Page says ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPIDBEaoov4

LexG speaks the truth this is amazing.

Posted by BurmaShave Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:35 PM

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televisiontears Author Profile Page says ...

God, I hope Jamie Foxx loses a finger or something. Nothing too harsh, maybe just half a pinky. Just enough to make him cry a little.

Posted by televisiontears Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 1:46 PM

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Carl LaFong Author Profile Page says ...

Jeff, what's your take on Howard? Have you ever interviewed him or gotten an impression if he's problematic on set? Or is this simply an overzealous agent holding out for bucks and Marvel playing hardball?

Either way, the reality is that Downey ever bows out of the series, Cheadle has enough marquee recognition to carry it on; Howard is a good actor, but the money guys financing comic book flicks want a "name" with a higher Q-rating, methinks. Tom Brazelton is right; Cheadle may cost more if they go the WarMachine direction, but it's an easier sell.

Posted by Carl LaFong Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 2:03 PM

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Jonah Author Profile Page says ...

Downey and Howard didn't have great chemistry. The movie was great, but not because of Howard. Cheadle is a better actor, and he'll make the sequel better.

Downey may have been a pain in the ass at one time, but he's not anymore or he wouldn't have been hired for the part.

Howard is a pain in the ass right now. A lot of people don't like him, and his name doesn't sell tickets.

I remember a while back he was on a talk show, think it was Jimmy Kimmel. His segment was over and he moved on down the couch for the creators of Lost.

The Lost creators were visibly annoyed that throughout their interview, Howard kept interjecting his own comments, jokes, stories, etc...

He's an arrogant douche that probably won't be around in five years.

Posted by Jonah Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 2:19 PM

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Phatang! Author Profile Page says ...

Thinking back over Downey's career, how perfect was the pairing of him with James Woods in "True Believer"?

Posted by Phatang! Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 2:46 PM

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Ray Author Profile Page says ...

I thought Howard was the worst thing in IRON MAN ... and Gwenyth Paltrow was in it.

Posted by Ray Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 2:49 PM

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storymark Author Profile Page says ...

The fools! How could they NOT bring back the second-billed star of Fighting?

Posted by storymark Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 2:53 PM

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CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

D.Z. -- It's not a real rant if you just keep quoting other people and just contradicting them.

How about a post from you sometime where you make your own paragraphs, formulate your own hypotheses, and come to your own conclusions?

From someone who is apparently high on originality, you really display a shocking lack of it yourself.

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 3:14 PM

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mtgilchrist Author Profile Page says ...

I'm entirely ambivalent about replacing Howard with Cheadle, but if Howard has a "well-earned" reputation for being difficult, Marvel has an equally well-desrved reputation for lowballing their productions, underpaying their stars and just generally treating the creative folks poorly. Ed Norton's version of Hulk was almost entirely jettisoned for the mindless spectacle of the theatrical version, Favreau almost wasn't invited to return for part 2 despite the fact that he's just as responsible for its success as RDJ, and I think what Howard's beef is about is the fact that he was signed to do multiple movies and then when the film was a massive hit, Marvel decided they wouldn't honor the agreement of salary that comes with returning to a franchise. Marvel doesn't care about the creative integrity of their movies and assume that people want to see the successful ones because of the property, not the people making them, so they lowball everybody in the process getting crap.

Posted by mtgilchrist Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:11 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Carl: "Cheadle has enough marquee recognition to carry it on"

I don't know any casual movie fans who know Cheadle.

"the money guys financing comic book flicks want a "name" with a higher Q-rating, methinks."

The money guys think any black guy will do for the role.

Jonah: "Downey and Howard didn't have great chemistry. The movie was great, but not because of Howard."

Howard made Downey's character more down-to-earth, since he's the only "average Joe" who hangs out with him, and every one else is super-rich and/or W.A.S.P.-ey.

"Downey may have been a pain in the ass at one time, but he's not anymore or he wouldn't have been hired for the part."

He probably got hired because he was a pain in the ass, so he'd take a smaller fee, just to get a come-back gig.

"Howard is a pain in the ass right now. A lot of people don't like him, and his name doesn't sell tickets."

I don't remember Cheadle ever selling tickets.

"I remember a while back he was on a talk show, think it was Jimmy Kimmel. His segment was over and he moved on down the couch for the creators of Lost.
The Lost creators were visibly annoyed that throughout their interview, Howard kept interjecting his own comments, jokes, stories, etc..."

It's not like Kimmel doesn't do the same thing.

Ray: I thought Samuel L. Jackson nearly killed Iron Man with his Nick Fury cameo. Should've gone for Bruce Campbell on that one.

Anyway, I like how Downey's drug addiction forced a number of productions to be shut down and/or re-written, but Howard's considered the "trouble-maker".

Kane: Alright. The suits dicked Howard over for the same reason they used to short-change Jamie Foxx. They didn't think either actor would amount to anything other than comic relief. But Howard has a presence which Cheadle lacks. And so the suits also didn't want him upstaging Downey in the new movie with the War Machine arc. That's why they cast a guy who will come off more hammy trying to pull off the character, since Cheadle's more used to dramatic roles. Still not sure why they added Gary Shandling, though, other than a prior movie deal he might have had with Paramount.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:26 PM

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BurmaShave Author Profile Page says ...

DZ do you even know who Don Cheadle is? Because from your writing I don't think you do.

Posted by BurmaShave Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:33 PM

comment #27

BurmaShave Author Profile Page says ...

Also if I gave my grandmother an Entertainment Weekly for ten minutes I think she could come up with more astute assumptions about how things work in Hollywood. And she's dead.

Posted by BurmaShave Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:34 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Burma: Yeah, I do know who he is, but that's because I recognize his work. But that's me, not necessarily the majority of movie-goers who care about Iron Man.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:40 PM

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Redmond Author Profile Page says ...

>>Ray: I thought Samuel L. Jackson nearly killed Iron Man with his Nick Fury cameo. Should've gone for Bruce Campbell on that one.

D.Z., or D.J.Z., 90% of the time I enjoy your comments. (Fuck the haters.) But the Samuel L. Jackson cameo was a fan favorite because of the hugely successful The Ultimates which is essentially a reboot of The Avengers. Mark Millar modeled Nick Fury after SLJ just like he did with Eminem for the Wanted graphic novel.

Also, Terrence Howard was the worst part of Iron Man. Besides the boilerplate origin story. RDJ is the only element that elevated that entire movie.

Posted by Redmond Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:44 PM

comment #30

MilkMan Author Profile Page says ...

Terrence Howard uses silk handkerchiefs for toilet paper. He sprays cologne between his toes. When he makes love to a woman he asks her to wear a mask bearing his likeness, and if she refuses he presses a button letting Smedley, his valet, know that it's time to come in the bedroom and smack the ho across her tuchas with a pair of pristine white gloves. It wasn't until the premiere of Iron Man that Howard figured out that the movie wasn't about his character. Terrence Howard will soon be doing Dos Equis commericials if he doesn't watch himself.

Posted by MilkMan Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 4:57 PM

comment #31

CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

Daniel --

Thanks for your paragraph and legitimate attempt at a civilized conversation. Sincerely.

Unfortunately, it doesn't make some of your points any less ludicrous. Your comparison of Foxx and Howard is specious to say the least.

Exactly when in his career was TH considered primarily comic relief? And please God, don't bring up something like Big Momma's House, he was billed just above Anthony Anderson, for cryin' out loud. Nobody in their right mind knew who Howard was then, whereas from the start Foxx had his stand-up, In Living Color, Booty Call , etc.

As for your take on Don Cheadle, I'm going to have to agree with Burma's comment. You do not go from supporting character actor to sometimes leading man without some serious fuckin' screen presence. It simply does not happen in Hollywood.

The guy has serious chops, no matter if he's the lead (Hotel Rwanda, Talk to Me), part of an ensemble (Traffic, Boogie Nights), or just off on his own creating his own indelible character (Devil in a Blue Dress).

He is also more than capable of delivering a humorous performance (what this has to do with his role in IM2, I have no idea), as his roles in Out of Sight and the Ocean's films have shown. What on earth would lead you to believe his portrayal of Rhodes will be "hammy?"

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 5:14 PM

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hawthorne Author Profile Page says ...

I loved Iron Man but Terrence was the one bad thing in it. He was just hallow. They made the right decision. They have chosen to go with a stronger actor. He is acting like a crying baby now and it is really not very becoming on him.

Posted by hawthorne Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 5:19 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Kane: "Exactly when in his career was TH considered primarily comic relief?"

Black Snake Moan? Get Rich or Die Tryin'?

"You do not go from supporting character actor to sometimes leading man without some serious fuckin' screen presence. It simply does not happen in Hollywood."

So how do you explain Justin Chatwin?

"What on earth would lead you to believe his portrayal of Rhodes will be "hammy?""

Think DeNiro in Analyze This.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 6:45 PM

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Ghost072 Author Profile Page says ...

Don Cheadle is the man, period. I've loved him in everything I've seen him in (and that's a lot). Nice to see him getting a big tent poler to himself (if the Warmachine spin-off pans out). He definitely deserves it.

"Well, the man don't just have to die, Foley. I mean, he could accidentally hurt himself falling down on something real hard, you know? Like a shiv, or my dick?"

Few people could deliver this line with the right amount of menace and intelligence and humor. But Cheadle killed it...man, I love that movie.

Posted by Ghost072 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 6:58 PM

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Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

"I don't know any casual movie fans who know Cheadle. "

This might make sense as an argument. Wow. DZ makes a coherent statement...

Except that that sentence is meant to be support of Terence Howard in the role. And nobody in the world could possibly argue that Terence Howard has a higher profile than Cheadle. (Except DZ, of course, but the fact that DZ is apparently arguing that Howard was not only great in 'Iron Man' but, seemingly, the best part of the movie [maybe I'm misreading his comparing him to Downey] makes me more secure in how little I think of his portrayal of Rhodes, or anything else I've seen him do besides 'Hustle and Flow'.)

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 8:32 PM

comment #36

Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

I just want to point out that so few people care about Terrence Howard that his name doesn't even come up on Box Office Mojo. You can't even search by him to see what the movies he's been in have grossed. That's crazy. I didn't even know that could happen.

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 8:35 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Gordon: If you think Howard isn't more recognizable than Cheadle, then you'll notice the difference when people at your theater fidget when they see RDJ and Cheadle together in the sequel. And I didn't say he was the best part of the movie, just the most relatable out of all the characters.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 9:11 PM

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Dignan Author Profile Page says ...

The story I heard a ways back, in addition to rumors of him being a pain to deal with on set and the disproportionate salary issue, was that Favreau had to create Howard's Iron Man performance in the editing room and wasn't thrilled with the idea of handing large chunks of the IM2 plot to the actor so he was developing the script in a different direction. When Marvel got to the bottom of this they stepped in and replaced Howard with Cheadle. It makes for an interesting story although I doubt anyone would admit to it.

Posted by Dignan Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 9:31 PM

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Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

"If you think Howard isn't more recognizable than Cheadle, then you'll notice the difference when people at your theater fidget when they see RDJ and Cheadle together in the sequel."

Could you at least pretend to try to make sense? That sentence is farcically nonsensical. I'm not talking about your opinion that Howard is more recognizable than Cheadle, which is merely nonsensical. I'm saying that to prove that Howard is more recognizable than Cheadle by saying that people will notice the replacement -- even if I were to stipulate the ridiculous prediction that anybody will care [in and of itself, arguing your prediction as a fact is absurd... then, you can factor in the fact that you have always been completely wrong about everything you've predicted, yet you continue to cite your own predictions as facts that can not be argued against], the fact that people will notice the difference STILL wouldn't prove that Howard is more recognizable than Howard.

"And I didn't say he was the best part of the movie, just the most relatable out of all the characters."

If you liked him more than Downey (which you already said), and he's not the best part of the movie, then for god's sake, who is?

Let's take bets on how much wronger DZ's opinion can be. I'm going with "Shia LaBeouf" as his answer.

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 9:31 PM

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Ghost072 Author Profile Page says ...

D.Z. (or D.J.Z.):

"And I didn't say he was the best part of the movie, just the most relatable out of all the characters."

I'm not normally one to pile on, but seriously...what? How was Howard's character the most relatable in Iron Man? I mean, presumably, none of us are genius billionaire weapon's manufacturers OR Army Generals and Howard was barely in the movie, so...I don't get where that would come from. I mean, if you're saying you related to him most, ok, but do you honestly think that the majority of film goers felt that way? If so, why?

Also, can you cite one example of Cheadle being "hammy" in anything?

Posted by Ghost072 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 10:08 PM

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nola Author Profile Page says ...

re: IM2. Again why is he speaking to the press about this? Let it go.

He was the only major actor replaced. He never works with the same director twice. His rep in Hollywood is awful.

TH has always been nice to me. But if he doesn't get his shit together soon his career is over. Life is too short to deal with pain in the ass talent when they are not A-list stars.

Posted by nola Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 10:40 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Gordon: "the fact that people will notice the difference STILL wouldn't prove that Howard is more recognizable than Howard."

Freudian slip?

"If you liked him more than Downey (which you already said), and he's not the best part of the movie, then for god's sake, who is?"

I didn't say I liked him more than Downey, just that I could "get" his character more than the one played by Downey. I personally thought the mix of personalities was decent overall, and have no favorites.

"I mean, if you're saying you related to him most, ok, but do you honestly think that the majority of film goers felt that way? If so, why?"

I'm guessing because most moviegoers don't have a personal fortune from weapons manufacturing. Nor are they influential housekeepers -turned-socialites like Paltrow's character. Howard's character, on the other hand, is a guy who actually has to earn a living in that world. So the fact that he's considered a friend to a potentially shallow and ego-centric guy like Stark means something in the same way that those love interests in Batman help to make Wayne more three-dimensional.

"Also, can you cite one example of Cheadle being "hammy" in anything?"

He wasn't hammy, but he didn't exactly come off charismatic in Rush Hour 2.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 10:40 PM

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ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Maybe it's because Terrence Howard seems to be going down the Cuba Gooding Jr. career path....

...minus the Oscar that is.


We'll see Terrence next in Daddy Night Camp.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 10:58 PM

comment #44

Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

"Freudian slip?"

I have to admit, since that is the first time you have ever directly responded to any point I have made, that is de facto the most relevant thing you have ever said.

But it's still not a counter-argument, you stupid piece of shit.

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 10:59 PM

comment #45

ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Oh and Don Cheadle kinda hammed it up in Colors btw.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:00 PM

comment #46

Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

"We'll see Terrence next in Daddy Night Camp."

No way, ZayTonday. Terrence Howard's next project is 'Red Tails', which co-stars recent Emmy winner Bryan Cranston, and Academy Award winning actor Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:00 PM

comment #47

Gordon27 Author Profile Page says ...

"Oh and Don Cheadle kinda hammed it up in Colors btw."

Also 'Meteor Man'.

Posted by Gordon27 Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:01 PM

comment #48

ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Oh my mistake, we'll see Terrence Howard next in a movie about fighting.... called Fighting.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:04 PM

comment #49

ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Still, Terrence Howard is a better actor than Jamie Foxx. Guy wins an Oscar for doing an impression that could have been done at one of his stand-up routines.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:14 PM

comment #50

ZayTonday Author Profile Page says ...

Chiwetel Ejiofor would have been the best War Machine though.

Posted by ZayTonday Author Profile Page at April 23, 2009 11:15 PM

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Jonah Author Profile Page says ...

DZ is an idiot. Nothing he says is based in any reality I've ever been a part of. Maybe Don Murphy can back him up again. Two idiots do not equal an intelligent person.

Also, this comment by Howard made me laugh. Shows his arrogance.

"One of the things that actors need to learn to do is always stick together, one for all and all for one.""

Downey is the main reason the film made as much money as it did. He was singled out in nearly every review I read. Every single family member or friend of mine mentioned Downey as their favorite thing in the movie. He is not replaceable.

Nobody I know went out of their way to mention Howards performance.

So tell me why Downey shouldn't make serious bank off of this. He'd be an idiot to lose money over loyalty to an actor that was seemingly disliked on the set.

Posted by Jonah Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 1:09 AM

comment #52

Rothchild Author Profile Page says ...

Watch the deleted scenes on the Iron Man DVD. You'll know why Howard was replaced.

Posted by Rothchild Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 1:53 AM

comment #53

Ghost072 Author Profile Page says ...

Ok, so Cheadle "wasn't charismatic" in Rush Hour 2, and was hammy in Meteor Man and Colors. Didn't see Rush Hour 2 or Meteor Man (although it doesn't surprise me that Robert Townsend might have that effect on anyone) and don't remember Cheadle's role in Colors, so I'll take every one's word on those. Still, I think the main body of the man's work tells me he probably won't be hammy as War Machine.

Posted by Ghost072 Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 8:38 AM

comment #54

Chicago48 Author Profile Page says ...

From what I've read and I'm not an "insider" Marvel offered Mickey Rourke $250K and Downey pushed for a higher amount. Then I read that Scarlett Jo is getting $250K. Is Gwen back in the sequel? I think not; overall I get the impression Marvel is putting all their money into CGI and to hell with the actors.

As for Terrence, he's the best youngish Black actor out there today, and he's closing in on 40. I just don't see anyone else in the 20-30 yo range who happens to be black who has name reco or marquee. Who knows when he will get another "good" role like H&F. Those type roles only come once in a moon for black actors, unless they can buy their property rights.
And yeh, he has a right to whine. Should he just be quiet about it and go off in a corner? He was done wrong, he learned about it through his agent.

As for his character, the man only had about 10 minutes in the IM1 movie....so I don't know how anyone can judge his acting. He had about 5 lines of dialog. Heck, I could have played that role.

Posted by Chicago48 Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 8:52 AM

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Rothchild Author Profile Page says ...

Howard was good in the scenes they left in.

Paltrow is back. They couldn't do it without her.

Posted by Rothchild Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 9:29 AM

comment #56

CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

Somehow I just knew D.Z. would counter the Cheadle "hammy" factor with his 5 minute cameo in Rush Hour 2.

God help anyone who tries to make a future argument for Roman Polanski as a great filmmaker. He'll just throw his cameo in Rush Hour 3 as the "overwhelming" contrary proof.

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 10:07 AM

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alan Author Profile Page says ...

"Also if I gave my grandmother an Entertainment Weekly for ten minutes I think she could come up with more astute assumptions about how things work in Hollywood. And she's dead."

Thanks, Burma, for making me snort out loud at work.

Posted by alan Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 10:09 AM

comment #58

Chicago48 Author Profile Page says ...

Well, at least TH got some wide publicity behind it.
What makes him so difficulty? I been reading this up and down the internet and I still don't get it. Is he arrogant (who isn't). Does he fight the directors? (like Rourke)

Posted by Chicago48 Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 10:49 AM

comment #59

D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

Gordon: Does Meteor Man count, since it's supposed to be a spoof?

Jonah: "Downey is the main reason the film made as much money as it did. "

He's a good actor, but he keeps milking his name Jude Law-style right now. And that might not be enough to help Sherlock Holmes. Besides, as someone pointed out, Favreau was almost cut, even though he was the one who got Downey involved in the project in the first place. So I'm guessing Favreau specifically also wanted Terrence Howard for War Machine for a reason.

"He'd be an idiot to lose money over loyalty to an actor that was seemingly disliked on the set. "

Again, his appeal is based on the strength of his interactions with the supporting cast. You shuffle them with other actors, and it might not work as well as the studio had hoped.

Ghost: "Still, I think the main body of the man's work tells me he probably won't be hammy as War Machine. "

That's what they probably said about Sean Connery in LXG.

Kane: Can't judge Polanski's style, since I'm boycotting his work until he turns himself in to the cops.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 1:44 PM

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frankbooth Author Profile Page says ...

"Howard's character, on the other hand, is a guy who actually has to earn a living in that world. So the fact that he's considered a friend to a potentially shallow and ego-centric guy like Stark means something in the same way that those love interests in Batman help to make Wayne more three-dimensional."

So the CHARACTER of Rhodes is important as a down-to-earth foil for Stark -- the character that Cheadle will be playing -- in all likelihood, much better than Howard did.

At least you're actually trying to make a coherent point here, but you're doing it in your usual sideways-logic fashion. Howard's perf in IM was the very definition of "phoning it in". He looked bored, and he bored me.

Posted by frankbooth Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 3:42 PM

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CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

Duh, Jonah...don't you remember when Jude Law was out there "milking" his name? You know, in those big summer movies that were really successful that he headlined? Yeah, those movies...

Wait, I forgot, which ones where those again?

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 3:45 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

frank: "Howard's perf in IM was the very definition of "phoning it in". He looked bored, and he bored me."

I'm guessing that's the point, though. Stark was a materialistic kind of guy, and Rhodie was happy with what he had. But Rhodie sees Stark as a decent guy at heart, which is why they're still friends.

Kane: Hey, at least Law didn't star in an indie remake of Three's Company.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 8:23 PM

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CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page says ...

Yes, D.Z...the fact that there was one male and two females in the cast was a clear sign Toback was ripping off that sitcom...

Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum Author Profile Page at April 24, 2009 10:01 PM

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Jonah Author Profile Page says ...

"He's a good actor, but he keeps milking his name Jude Law-style right now. And that might not be enough to help Sherlock Holmes. Besides, as someone pointed out, Favreau was almost cut, even though he was the one who got Downey involved in the project in the first place. So I'm guessing Favreau specifically also wanted Terrence Howard for War Machine for a reason. "

In what universe is any of that supposed to make sense?

"Again, his appeal is based on the strength of his interactions with the supporting cast. You shuffle them with other actors, and it might not work as well as the studio had hoped. "

Downey almost always has great chemistry, no matter who he's acting against (please don't post one example of a time where the chemistry didn't work, I said almost always). Downey will be great with Cheadle. He was great opposite all the actors. In fact I always thought Howard was the one weak link in the cast.

"Hey, at least Law didn't star in an indie remake of Three's Company. "

I'm going to ask that you defend that comment because of the sheer stupidity.

Three's Company was about a guy that lived with two women in an apartment, if memory serves, to save on rent. He didn't sleep with either of them, and he pretended to be gay to keep the landlord happy.

Two Girls and a Guy was about a womanizer that lived on his own, and his two girlfriends confronted him.

Idiot.

Posted by Jonah Author Profile Page at April 25, 2009 12:52 AM

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frankbooth Author Profile Page says ...

Boring me was the point?! Now, how could I failed to have seen that? It's a very clever tactic in a summer blockbuster. They could have tried to entertain me... "but that's just what they'll be expecting us to do!"

How long has it been since someone said "Shut the fuck up, D.Z."? .

Posted by frankbooth Author Profile Page at April 25, 2009 1:53 AM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

"Boring me was the point?! Now, how could I failed to have seen that? It's a very clever tactic in a summer blockbuster."

It worked for TDK...'

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 25, 2009 6:38 PM

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D.J.Z. Author Profile Page says ...

"Three's Company was about a guy that lived with two women in an apartment, if memory serves, to save on rent. He didn't sleep with either of them, and he pretended to be gay to keep the landlord happy."

No, but he was a bit of a slut with other women, and he did try to hit on the girls once in a while.

Posted by D.J.Z. Author Profile Page at April 25, 2009 7:15 PM

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Jonah Author Profile Page says ...

"No, but he was a bit of a slut with other women, and he did try to hit on the girls once in a while. "

So enlighten me on how that makes Two Girls and a Guy an indie remake of Three's Company.

I'll be waiting for a direct answer. I'll probably never get it. just more BS spin from DZ.

Posted by Jonah Author Profile Page at April 25, 2009 11:38 PM

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Jonah Author Profile Page says ...

That's what I thought you fucking coward. This is the third time you've backed down from a direct remark.

Pretty sad that you're this big a coward when you're anonymous. I can only imagine how bad you are in life.

Posted by Jonah Author Profile Page at April 26, 2009 10:55 PM

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frederik Author Profile Page says ...

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Posted by frederik Author Profile Page at February 16, 2012 10:14 PM

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Mila17 Author Profile Page says ...

Well,I think that Terrence Howard interview is very sincere. It's a pity that he was forced to do so bad choice.But he's a great actor and I hope to see his new movies soon.
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Posted by Mila17 Author Profile Page at May 22, 2012 4:22 AM

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