The Loneliness of Porn
Envelope columnist Scott Feinberg interviewed Girlfriend Experience star Sasha Grey six and a half days ago -- Thursday, 4.30 -- at the Edie and Lew Wasserman Cinematheque on the Brandeis University campus. It's a fairly intriguing piece. Feinberg is polite and respectful but professionally direct at certain points in the chat. Grey comes off as shrewd, mature, intelligent and -- sorry -- faintly tragic. Because she works in an icky industry filled with untalented and under-educated people, and because no porn star has ever walked away from it intact.
"Early word of Grey's impending visit set the city of Boston abuzz," Feinberg writes, "and -- as we learned via blogs, Twitter, talk radio and newspaper columns -- she is not someone who engenders mild feelings.
"Some said they had never before heard of or seen her; others said they had heard and seen a lot of her. Some said they vehemently disapproved of what she did for a living; others said they couldn't get enough of her work. Some were outraged that a prestigious university would invite her to visit its campus and that a respected publication would want to interview her; others -- especially the 300 students who managed to snag a ticket to the event -- were just plain happy that we did.
"So why did we? Well, to clear things up, for two main reasons: (1) The Girlfriend Experience is a significant film, and (2) Grey is, in her own way, a significant filmmaker."
Has anyone ever watched any of Grey's films? I finally did last weekend, for a bit. As long as I could stand it, I mean. There's really only one word for what I saw -- ugly.
Not to finish on an argumentative note, but why did it take the L.A. Times tecchies six days to post this? Why didn't they have it up the next day or by last weekend, or at least by last Monday? Steven Soderbergh's film has been on-demand since last weekend but it doesn't open until 5.22 so the piece wasn't delayed to coincide with a weekend opening.
I'll tell you why. Because the L.A. Times tecchies are notoriously slow and bureaucratic when it comes to getting things done. (Staffers and freelancers routinely groan and roll their eyes about their shortcomings -- trust me.) And, I suspect, because they prefer not to work on weekends. And when they come to work on Monday it takes them a long while to get rolling. Because they spend huge portions of their work days in meetings.
Web reporting has to turn around within hours, or certainly within a day. The L.A. Times just doesn't get it. They're competing in a 24/7 web world, but they're still behaving in some ways like print.
And why is the video so pixellated and awful looking? Did the guy at Brandeis shoot this on a cell phone? And why do the Times tecchies make it difficult to grab a video embed code? Why do they make you click on "Page Source" and scroll down and scrounge around for the code?
Rewind: After catching The Girlfriend Experience at Sundance on 1.20, I wrote that "it smacks of right-now verite, is smartly written and very well made. (And recently shot also with all kinds of references to the Obama-McCain race and the economic meltdown.)
"No one would call it the stuff of high Shakespearean drama, but I wasn't bored for a second. It's smallish and low-key like Soderbergh's Bubble but set in Manhattan and focusing on a very pretty upscale prostitute and the various men in her life -- boyfriend, journalist, sleazy erotic website editor, high-rollers looking to buy her favors, etc.
"I presume that everyone reading this knows that Soderbergh is far too dry, ironic and circumspect to be a provider of hot sex scenes or even mildly suggestive ones (as in, say, Alan Resnais' Hiroshima Mon Amour). He maintains a cool distance in this regard at all times, which is welcome considering the appearance of Grey's clients. Some of them, I mean. Two or three inspired a prayer from yours truly: 'Please, God, I don't want to see any middle-aged butt cheeks or bloated stomachs or funny-looking feet.'
"Soderbergh frames most of The Girlfriend Experience with static medium and long shots -- there are almost no close-ups. He said during the q & a that the photography in Michelangelo Antonioni's Red Desert was an influence.
"Grey, a real-life porn star, isn't as much of an actress as she could be. Scene after scene requites her to keep it all locked inside, and she's good at that. I hate to say this because it makes me sound small, but it seems fair since Frey is presenting herself as an object of desire: her feet are too big.
"Grey's live-in boyfriend is played by 30 year-old Chris Santos, who delivers reasonably well in a somewhat layered and mildly challenging role.
"I didn't know what the title meant until I looked at The Girlfriend Experience IMDB page. A trivia notes posting says that 'a call girl advertising the provision of a girlfriend experience is implying that she provides deep French kissing, full service intercourse with protection, and oral sex without protection.'
"This reminded me of the services that Ashley Alexandra Dupree allegedly provided (or were sought out by) former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on May 7, 2009 at 3:19 AM
comment #1
Sabina E
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how the hell is Grey a "filmmaker"? She's just a porn star, for god's sake.
Posted by Sabina E
at May 7, 2009 6:39 AM
comment #2
raygo
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Maybe she got an Executive Producer credit ... or maybe Creative Consultant.
Posted by raygo
at May 7, 2009 7:04 AM
comment #3
actionman
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The film is not avail ON DEMAND in CT. Annoying. Really want to see it.
"Has anyone ever watched any of Grey's films?"
I've seen clips. She's a pig. This is news?
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 7:04 AM
comment #4
Wes Caline
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Sasha Grey is a pig but Michael Bay IS GOD.
Posted by Wes Caline
at May 7, 2009 7:10 AM
comment #5
actionman
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Never said he was "GOD", Wes. I have only said that Bay's got an amazing (and unmatched) eye for directing action movies with lots of shiny, photo-realistic CGI. He's a pig in his own way.
And yes...Sasha Grey is a sexual pig. It's not really a debatable statement. But it doesn't mean she's not talented.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 7:15 AM
comment #6
Wes Caline
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I take your point actionman.
I just get angry with the judgmental language, and, well, I prefer to ignore miss deaf.
Posted by Wes Caline
at May 7, 2009 7:20 AM
comment #7
Glenn Kenny
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Which Grey porno did you watch, Jeff? Because I would recommend "King of Coochie 4," in which Sasha and the ultra-perky Sunny Lane take on Tom Byron...
I kid.
But seriously...I suppose that I ought to find it somewhat heartening, in this thoroughly Howard-Sternized culture of ours, that so many are still genuinely put off by porn. Although I could certainly do without the barely disguised paternalism and sexism that lurks behind a lot of the complaints. Not you, Jeff. But still. I dunno if I'd insist on perceiving Grey as a tragic figure. It's true there are quite a few lug nuts in her chosen profession, but she's pretty smart and directed. If anyone can make it out of the industry "intact," I'd say she can.
The odds aren't great, but stranger things have happened. WIlliam S. Burroughs never totally renounced heroin, and lived to be 83! So there's that.
And Actionman, while Sasha might take issue with your precise choice of words, I'm sure she'd in some sense concur with your assessment of her sexual, shall we say, Other-ness.
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 7, 2009 7:31 AM
comment #8
JChasse
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I think DBTP should be a little kinder. Sasha Grey provides a valuable service to those who are unable to get wet watching Ryan Reynolds.
Posted by JChasse
at May 7, 2009 7:37 AM
comment #9
actionman
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Glenn Kenny -- not that it matters or that you likely care, but for the record, I'm a big fan of porn and not put off by it at all. I think it's a lot of fun to watch. And I definitely think that Sasha's got greak skills in her line of work.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that all porn stars (women AND men) are sexual pigs. And there's nothing wrong wth that, either. They're doing what they want to do. But nobody's got a gun pointed at their heads, forcing them to fuck on camera for money. That's a decision that they made on their own. In my mind, there's no real difference between prostitution and pornograhy. Porn stars just have better publicists.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 7:38 AM
comment #10
BurmaShave
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JChasse, classsssic
Posted by BurmaShave
at May 7, 2009 7:58 AM
comment #11
erniesouchak
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I found the film extremely boring. In fact, her life looked as boring as mine, only with dinners in nicer restaurants.
Posted by erniesouchak
at May 7, 2009 8:04 AM
comment #12
Sabina E
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JChasse, touche! Mmm, Ryan Reynolds.
and I agree with actionman... she is just a porn star... why are people offended by my statement? she IS a porn star who gets on her knees and sucks dick on camera for money... nobody held a gun to her head.
but please, come on-- a "filmmaker"? No. she's not a filmmaker. A performer, yes, but most certainly NOT a filmmaker.
Posted by Sabina E
at May 7, 2009 8:22 AM
comment #13
Mike Ock
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Let me get this striaght, Soderbergh shot a movie about a prostitute, starring a porn star, with no sex scenes??
Sign me up!!
Soderbergh's such a pussy. He should've let someone else direct this film. He's obviously scared to death of sex.
Posted by Mike Ock
at May 7, 2009 8:25 AM
comment #14
nakedmanatee
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Check out the excellent profile of Grey in the new issue of Rolling Stone (with Bob Dylan on the cover.) She comes off (imo) like most porn stars: mercurial, reductive, and about as un-erotic as you could imagine.
It's pretty funny though when she berates and yells at her boyfriend like some modern-day L.A. basilisk.
Posted by nakedmanatee
at May 7, 2009 8:33 AM
comment #15
Mike Ock
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A friend of mine saw Girlfriend Experience and loathed it. Said the film was boring and safe.
That and Sasha Grey's performance lacked nuance and subtlety, unlike her work in House Of Ass and Black Cock Addiction.
Posted by Mike Ock
at May 7, 2009 8:35 AM
comment #16
MovieBob
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PLENTY of people walk away from porn careers unscathed - they're the ones you don't HEAR ABOUT ;)
Posted by MovieBob
at May 7, 2009 9:01 AM
comment #17
Glenn Kenny
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@actionman, I didn't intend my aside as a rebuke. I'm not down on porn fans at all. As for the line between porn and prostitution, that gets trickier all the time. Are the actors in "Nine Songs" essentially prostitutes? Is Chloe Sevigny? It's an interesting question that arises from the premise. One probably too multi-faceted to get into here.
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 7, 2009 9:06 AM
comment #18
tombstoneblues
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What exactly is the practical and ethical difference between working in porn and working in professional sports? Many athletes don't make it big and thus make little money and suffer many life altering injuries which might make future employment difficult. Some of them use drugs. Some of them are, were, or would have been criminals. Some of them are in jail right now. So, why, ultimately are porn stars slandered and athletes glorified? Neither job requires good behavior or even average intelligence. Both work only to entertain. Both jobs are impossible to do once you reach a certain age. So, aside from people being uncomfortable with someone who has sex often, what exactly is the difference?
Posted by tombstoneblues
at May 7, 2009 9:09 AM
comment #19
actionman
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Very interesting points, tombstoneblues.
And yes, Glenn Kenny, the actors in Nine Songs and Sevigny essentially prostituted themselves in those movies.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 9:15 AM
comment #20
MilkMan
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I think pornstars are the most beautiful women in the world. But then again, I have always had a thing for sluts. I feel like I understand them. My dad dated an uniterrupted string of them from the early 80s to the mid 90s, while I was going through adolescence and college. All of them were 25 years old and younger, the youngest being 19, and all of them looked like they could've been in porn. I never found them to be coarse or vulgar. They never talked about sex. They seemed as smart as the girls I went to school with. The only thing that was different about them is that they seemed a touch dangerous, and what I mean by dangerous is that they didn't seem interested in the prescribed notions of what "female" behavior should be. So, in a way, they almost came across as masculine in that they would not be dominated (both socially, personally, emotionally, psychologically, and sexually) unless they wanted to be dominated. It always felt as if they were in control of my dad, who was usually 30 years older than them. And unless they were going out to some obnoxious restaurant, they always dressed very casually and comfortably, in jeans, t-shirts, sweats, etc. I guess what I am trying to say is that I think sluts are cool. And hot. But the hot side is reserved only for those that the sluts deem worthy, and this is where I think it gets tricky, because most guys don't want to think about that. No guy wants to be rejected by a slut. You think to yourself, She'll fuck him and him and him, but she won't fuck me? It doesn't seem fair. But at least we have porn, where you can see what you will never have. My dad was dating a 19 year old girl from Orange County. She was a dead ringer for Aurora Snow, who was kind of a big deal in the porn world at the turn of the century. Anyway, her and my dad had a tempestuous relationship, always fighting about who knows what. I think she was seeing other men, something that bothered my dad, even though he understood, she being 19 and smoking hot. Well, now I'm just rambling. My point is this: I am the type of man who would marry a pornstar and be fine with her going off every day to get railed by some monkey with a huge dick. As long as she came home to me every night and let me snuggle her. I would always tell her that I love her, no matter what. Because I think that's what sluts need to hear. That they are loved.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 9:56 AM
comment #21
Rich S.
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Took you long enough, MilkMan. It was worth it, though.
Posted by Rich S.
at May 7, 2009 10:01 AM
comment #22
actionman
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wow. that post 'splains a lot.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 10:03 AM
comment #23
actionman
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and yet nothing at all.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 10:04 AM
comment #24
MilkMan
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I'm sorry if sometimes I get too personal and act as if this place is my diary. But I think the comments section of a website are a great place to get to know people. Every comment doesn't have to be pithy, aphoristic and glib. I don't think. Unless that is a rule I'm not aware of.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 10:11 AM
comment #25
BurmaShave
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MilkMan, is there any chance you are Christopher Titus?
Posted by BurmaShave
at May 7, 2009 10:16 AM
comment #26
Mike Ock
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The Girlfriend Experience is airing on May 20th on HDNet movies for free @ 8pm.
Posted by Mike Ock
at May 7, 2009 10:16 AM
comment #27
Sabina E
says ...
Milkman, that was a nice, well-written monologue. If you were onstage, I would give you a standing ovation.
Posted by Sabina E
at May 7, 2009 10:18 AM
comment #28
Rich S.
says ...
I have a question, MilkMan, and this seems as good a time as any to ask it. When I was in college, my buddies and I saw a few films with an up-and-coming (pardon the pun) star named Peter North, who had a, shall we say, unique talent.
The industry being what it was back then, Mr. North was seldom identified in the credits of these films. So we nicknamed him, and I swear I'm not making this up, the Milk Man (because he delivered quarts). So my question is, in light of your affinity for such entertainments, is your nom de internet a similar homage?
Posted by Rich S.
at May 7, 2009 10:24 AM
comment #29
MilkMan
says ...
No. I could explain why I chose this name, but it would take way too long. It involves my mom, and a milkman, the guy who delivered cold gallons of the stuff to our doorstep when I was a little kid, which I think was around the end of the time when you could have milk delivered to your doorstep.
Peter North has always kind of creeped me out. I feel like the only reason he got into porn was to showcase his singular talent, as opposed to just getting into porn in order to have sex with hot young girls, which I think is the main reason for most of those dudes. There is just something off about Peter North to me. Always has been. Never liked watching his work, regardless of the female talent involved.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 10:33 AM
comment #30
MilkMan
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Who is Christopher Titus?
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 10:34 AM
comment #31
Rich S.
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Thanks. Reminds me of an old joke. Guy asks a gas station owner how his new pump jockey is working out. Owner says he had to let him go. Turns out the kid was an ex pornstar, and every time he'd get close to filling the tank, he'd pull out the nozzle and spray the last half gallon on the fender.
Posted by Rich S.
at May 7, 2009 10:41 AM
comment #32
actionman
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"Two-Quart North" was what we used to call him in high school.
Posted by actionman
at May 7, 2009 10:45 AM
comment #33
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
"...an icky industry filled with untalented and under-educated people..."
Unlike, say the mainstream film and TV businesses?
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at May 7, 2009 10:48 AM
comment #34
MilkMan
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Good one, Deathtongue. Don Simpson and his progeny would fit perfectly in the porn industry, except they have better taste in shoes and furniture. Anyone who tries and convince me that men in the mainstream biz treat women any differently than they do in the porn biz is out of their mind.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 11:09 AM
comment #35
Sabina E
says ...
I can never drink milk without feeling sick because then I think of cum, with thanks due to a Catholic woman who was a "teacher of the Deaf" who taught me about sex in 7th grade. when she told me that boys and men have cum coming out of their dicks, I asked her what does it look like.
"Milk," she replied, "it's white liquid, just like milk."
Posted by Sabina E
at May 7, 2009 12:11 PM
comment #36
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
And with that lovely anecdote, I crown DBTP the Sasha Grey of HE.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at May 7, 2009 12:16 PM
comment #37
Glenn Kenny
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Hey MilkMan, did you know that North also did gay porn? As a bottom?
What a world...
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 7, 2009 1:26 PM
comment #38
MilkMan
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I guess the Hood Ornament Hairdo and the Tom of Finland physique should have tipped me off to that. I remember a scene he did with Tori Welles where he was behind her, and he seemed kind of distracted, even lost. Tori turned around and said, "What's going on? Are you going to fuck me or what, dude?" I have no idea why they chose to keep that moment in the film.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 7, 2009 2:01 PM
comment #39
Admiral82
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"Two-quart North"
That's just funny Actionman.
A very good friend of mine commited suicide last year. He mentioned to me, in the weeks before, how he was depressed all of the time. I said, sarcastically, maybe you need to "jerk-off" more. He laughed, lightening the moment. He then confided something in my I will never forget. "I haven't been feeling like it...porn depresses me more." I just listened to him. "Unless the 'Olsen twins' are getting filled out like a form, I don't even care..." He also mentioned that he needed porn to even start feeling turned-on, even if he was with a naked female.
That my friends is being fully desensitized.
Posted by Admiral82
at May 7, 2009 3:13 PM
comment #40
sumo-pop
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Whatever you want to say about her (and calling her a pig is pretty shitty) she's not boring. In fact, she seems like an interesting person to talk to. How many people can you actually say that about. The new RollingStone has an in depth article about her in which she comes off a lot more cold and harsh theb she does here. So who the fuck knows? As long as "girlfriend" is good then who cares.
Posted by sumo-pop
at May 7, 2009 8:44 PM
comment #41
MilkMan
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I agree, Sumo. Sasha is an angel. She is here to relieve the suffering of mankind. That might sound sarcastic but it's not. Without women like Sasha Grey this world would already be post-apocalyptic four times over.
Posted by MilkMan
at May 8, 2009 12:55 AM
comment #42
T. Holly
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Testing.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 12:02 PM
comment #43
T. Holly
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To Scott Feinberg (who's yet to approve my comment of 3 hours ago):
Congratulations on whitewashing Sasha Grey's porn work.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 12:03 PM
comment #44
T. Holly
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Jeff Wells posted your interview under the heading The Loneliness of Porn and says, "no porn star has ever walked away from it intact," so I watched, and to hear Sasha Grey sell Sasha Grey you'd think she were promoting a nude cooking show. The irony is that Sasha will be just
fine and get out very well from porn because she's doing Fear Factor The Sex Edition while simultaneously putting down the free stuff for the little people with the compassion of an ass master. The devil's in the details, of which she gives none, except that soon, she'll have
her own line out. There, that's her plan.
[Maybe now, Jeff will review one of her porn films. I've asked Glenn Kenny to and he told me to "Go home and get your fucking shine box," so I told him to "Eat your waffles, fat man."]
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 12:04 PM
comment #45
T. Holly
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Shouldn't every PR piece on Sasha Grey for The Girlfriend Experience discuss her porn work? Doesn't every PR opportunity include clips and discussion of what they've done and who they've worked with in the past? Why is Sasha being treated differently? Because the publications and the journalists can't deal with the reality and don't know how to report or write about it.
Sasha Grey is a self promotion super star, and her acting in GFE is not an unmitigated success (from Brian Orndorf) and OMG, he actually names two prior works by title, that's earth shattering:
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 12:04 PM
comment #46
T. Holly
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the rest is
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even if I jumble the porn words
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 12:11 PM
comment #47
Scott Feinberg
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THolly, I don't know what the hell you're talking about "whitewashing." I've posted your comment on my blog, even though you apparently failed to watch more than 10 minutes of the video before making it. After a brief discussion about the film, we almost EXCLUSIVELY talked about her porn career... the positives, the negatives, etc. I truly apologize that I wasn't do a segment on each listing in her filmography.
Posted by Scott Feinberg
at May 8, 2009 12:46 PM
comment #48
Scott Feinberg
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wasn't able* to* do a segment on each listing in her filmography.
Posted by Scott Feinberg
at May 8, 2009 12:48 PM
comment #49
T. Holly
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Scott, you angry person, let me get this straight, you talked about her porn work? I'll listen again for any sign of detail. The way I heard it and saw it, your connection to Brandeis U. gave you permission to touch lightly and delicately on the perfectly legal, dangerous, human sexual trade and exploitation-for-financial-profit film business and you thanked the audience for keeping it respectful, civil and surface level like your chat after several guys asked her polite questions? Give me a break. Who do you think you're kidding? I'll listen/watch again and take better notes. In the meantime, if you know any reviews and titles of her works, please share or write a review, assuming you've watched any, and if you haven't, please have her send you samples, so you know what you're talking about when you write about porn, or find a way to write about it that isn't light and breezy.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 2:48 PM
comment #50
T. Holly
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or for next time you interview her -- ask a hard question. "So we're you abused sometime in your life that drove you to porn" is not a hard question and she pretty much laughed in your face both times you asked it.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 2:51 PM
comment #51
Glenn Kenny
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T. Holly: Putting the "concern" into "concern troll."
Actually, I considered blogging about Sasha and her work in "Throat," the recent Paul-Thomas-directed quasi-remake of "Deep Throat," but as I'm actually getting money to profile Sasha for another website, I figured it would be overkill of a sort. To try and satisfy Holly's demands somewhat, I'll say that I've wwtched a bit of Sasha's porn work; not a whole lot, but a fair amount. And you know what? Doesn't really bother me. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. I know you're trying to bait me (and now Scott) with the expectation that once we've seen all the awful stuff Sasha does in pictures, the scales will fall from our eyes and we'll go out and rescue her or some such thing, so let me save you some time and effort and tell you it's not gonna fucking happen. Nothing Sasha's involved herself with, despite how gross some of it sounds, is even a tenth as degrading as your typical Max Hardcore exploitation, all right?
And incidentally, as for the "fat man" bit, I've dropped 20 pounds since shooting "Girlfriend Experience," and aim to drop at least 30 more by August. So you won't have THAT line of bullshit in your puny arsenal anymore, either.
Now again: Go home and get your fucking shine box.
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 8, 2009 4:15 PM
comment #52
T. Holly
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It's a Brothers Bloom line, asswipe. Where does this rescue stuff come from? No such thing. I'm trying to get writers, journalists and critics to deconstruct porn and take it (back) from the anti-porn jizz and develop the language like video game reviews have for their form, only better. It's here to stay, right? Where's the language, why tip toe around it like Scott did? Disrespectful, immature nonsense. I'm tired of it. Not naming her previous works, I'm tired of that. Profile her all you want, but talk about the work, REALLY talk about it, come up with the language. Owe it to us, baby.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 4:42 PM
comment #53
Glenn Kenny
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Oh, I know EXACTLY what I owe you. T.
Posted by Glenn Kenny
at May 8, 2009 5:12 PM
comment #54
T. Holly
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Glenn, you're married.
Posted by T. Holly
at May 8, 2009 5:29 PM
comment #55
T. Holly
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I really have to come back becz this thread got tagged... so
Posted by T. Holly
at May 11, 2009 6:05 PM
comment #56
T. Holly
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you see, I am virulently against porn and started this at the Hot Blog trying to get people to watch the anti-porn commentary on the Tyra Banks interview... to limited success
Posted by T. Holly
at May 11, 2009 6:09 PM
comment #57
T. Holly
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Porn is legal assault, endangerment and lying as much as it is arousing, expressive and honest, and as such, at this critical mass needs a subset of appreciation, discussion and analysis...
http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/archives/2009/05/byob_going_sout.html#comments
Posted by T. Holly
at May 11, 2009 6:37 PM
comment #58
T. Holly
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This is where it got tagged.
http://blogs.current.com/movies/2009/05/11/great-moments-in-internet-comments-when-glenn-met-holly/comment-page-1/#comment-60
Posted by T. Holly
at May 11, 2009 6:44 PM
comment #59
jbrn
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at December 6, 2010 12:09 AM
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