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In an interview with CHUD's Devin Faraci, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman don't dispute the rap about the Jar Jar Twins being racially offensive and basically say that if you're looking for the go-to bad guy in this affair, go to director Michael Bay.

"It's really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it," one of them says. "I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, it's their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and it's a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we don't control every aspect of the movie.

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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on June 25, 2009 at 1:00 PM

comment #1

MovieBob says ...

Normally I'm willing to take a filmmaker at their word and not necessarily project motives onto them. AND I stand by my original asessment that Bay just isn't clever enough to conceal closet-racism up to this point.

BUT, on the other hand... Bay is a blight on American filmmaking, and what he's done to the Transformers is only slightly less-forgivable than anything else he's done. If a pile-on over The Twins is what it takes to banish him to the cornfield forever, then let it be done.

Posted by MovieBob at June 25, 2009 1:13 PM

comment #2

Stringer Bell says ...

I think Orci and Kurtzman should be more embarrassed by the script they submitted.

Posted by Stringer Bell at June 25, 2009 1:14 PM

comment #3

Rich S. says ...

Since Orci and Kurtzman are currently Hollywood's golden boys for the Star Trek script (though I understand J.J. Abrams did a heavy rewrite), this sounds like damage control.

Posted by Rich S. at June 25, 2009 1:18 PM

comment #4

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Bay's perspective: http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-bay-paramount-wish-transformers.html

Devin is a bit of a loon. He used to cry racism and try to be the heroic white man stomping out injustice on the CHUD boards. He's the kind of ultra-liberal who can't bear to be considered racist as in his world that is the most heinous thing of all, so he hunts down and attacks any perceived racism at any opportunity, even when tenuous.

I saw the film and you'd have to be a real straw-clutching buffoon to consider these robots anything other than harmless comic relief. So what if they speak in hip-hop language? As I said in the earlier Transformers post further down the page, there's a British robot too who says "bollocks" and "bugger". Shall we get up in arms about that too? Should we be concerned that Pepe Le Pew gives a negative impression of the French? Should the movie Shark Tale have been banned for making the fish Italian-American?

Christ tonight. Devin and Harry Knowles are really getting their pants in a twist about this film and it's ridiculous.

Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey at June 25, 2009 1:19 PM

comment #5

Chase Kahn says ...

Unless Orci and Kurtzman are having their shoulders massaged and feet propped up by J.J. Abrams, their scripts SUCK.

"Star Trek" was a pretty silly screenplay but somehow it worked out all right and "Fringe" is a decent sci-fi series, if nothing but an updated and glossier version of "The X-Files".

Posted by Chase Kahn at June 25, 2009 1:20 PM

comment #6

Steven Kar says ...

Wait... Transformers had a script?!

Posted by Steven Kar at June 25, 2009 1:21 PM

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BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-24-transformers_N.htm?csp=34

"Still, the characters serve no real purpose in the story, and when the action gets serious, they disappear entirely, notes Tasha Robinson, associate entertainment editor at The Onion.

"They don't really have any positive effect on the film," she said. "They only exist to talk in bad ebonics, beat each other up and talk about how stupid each other is.""

Did she not watch the fucking film? One of them kills the big bad guy monster Decepticon! This is absurd.

Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey at June 25, 2009 1:24 PM

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Stringer Bell says ...

Didnt 'Airplane' have jive talking passengers? Nobody raised a stink about them then.

Its not like these characters appeared in some serious docudrama about Rosa Parks. They appeared in a shitty movie from hackmeister Michael Bay.

Lets all give it a rest already. Bad publicity is still publicity, and Tranny2 doesnt warrant it.

Posted by Stringer Bell at June 25, 2009 1:31 PM

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BurmaShave says ...

Well we are talking about a director who put his opening titles credit over a burning cross in BAD BOYS II... just saying.

Posted by BurmaShave at June 25, 2009 1:36 PM

comment #10

dave l says ...

The jive-talking passengers in Airplane were satire. This is just blatant minstrelsy.

Posted by dave l at June 25, 2009 1:42 PM

comment #11

Kristopher Tapley says ...

Jeff, just a quick correction. That interview is actually with Film School Rejects' Cole Abaius. Devin is just linking to it. I brought this up earlier today:

http://incontention.com/?p=9032

I think it's totally blown out of proportion.

Posted by Kristopher Tapley at June 25, 2009 2:24 PM

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BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

I agree, Kris. It's weird how much attention it's getting.

Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey at June 25, 2009 2:28 PM

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MilkMan says ...

You know what problem is? Michael Bay is not funny. He knows how to make shit blow up real good, has a nice eye for top-shelf pussy, and has pretty okay taste in cars. Guys like that usually don't have much to say, and he's no exception. And the critics taking shots at this movie are in the same position as the characters in the film who are trying to take down the Transformers. There's just no use in trying. This is what America likes. We like our shit loud, stupid, racist (call it what you like, but this kind of humor was funny a generation ago), misogynistic, and patriotic. Because that's what makes up the American character. The dialogue in this movie is not important. The story is not important. What's important is that you get a boner, or your panties get wet. My question is: what did Orci and Kurtzman even have to do with this movie other than cashing in their massive paychecks? Nothing. Yet they both are going to reap massive profits from this film. And all they had to do was let Bay fuck them in the ass. Which he did. And if you've ever seen Kurtzman in person you would know that that isn't very hard to do.

Posted by MilkMan at June 25, 2009 2:33 PM

comment #14

Travis Crabtree says ...

Did you see how much Transformers made yesterday?
It MUST be awesome!

Posted by Travis Crabtree at June 25, 2009 2:44 PM

comment #15

Travis Crabtree says ...

Oh yeah, and Michael Jackson's dead.

Posted by Travis Crabtree at June 25, 2009 2:45 PM

comment #16

Steven Kar says ...

Those 2 characters are not offensive... it's the MOVIE as a whole that's offensive.

You guys probably know about Mark Kermode; love him or hate him, he made a lot of sense in his review of the movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__bQ-Y7D8Q

Milkman - "panties getting wet"... are you implying that there are chicks who dig this shit? And dig it to the point where they would get moist?!

Posted by Steven Kar at June 25, 2009 4:49 PM

comment #17

MilkMan says ...

Of course there are girls who dig these movies. Michael Bay is very popular on the Models and Millionaires Party Circuit. I know this because I've seen him at three M & M parties that my dad has hosted at his house in Brentwood. I've actually heard hot 20 yr old girls tell him that his movies are "mad whack."

Posted by MilkMan at June 25, 2009 5:06 PM

comment #18

JapAdapters says ...

I haven't seen TF2 and will never, ever, do so but Anthony Anderson's character in the 1st one was evidence enough (for me, at least) that Michael Bay is, at best. willing to put racist stereotypes up on the screen, under his name.

Posted by JapAdapters at June 25, 2009 6:28 PM

comment #19

DeeZee says ...

Bosh: I doubt Bay's racist, since that would imply he was smart enough to know what that word means. So my guess is he's going through a mid-life crisis where he's trying to relive the glory days of his coke-filled frat-boy years; and this involves incorporating all the slang he learned from his fellow wigger brothers into the final product. In this way, he gets to prove he's still as "cool" as ever.

Travis: TDK still owns it, though.

Milk: But can those girls add and subtract?

Jap: I think Anderson tends to typecast himself more as the fat guy comic relief than the black guy comic relief.

Posted by DeeZee at June 25, 2009 8:00 PM

comment #20

mtgilchrist says ...

BoshBarnet, Devin may be an admitted ultra-liberal, but he's not wrong about the robots in the film being ethnic stereotypes. Worse than the fact that they're reductive stereotypes is the fact their voices were both provided by a white guy; further, there are other egregious examples of racial stereotyping (such as the guy in the butcher shop) that reinforce his point.

For the record, I didn't react any particular way about the robots when I watched the film, although I acknowledge that Devin's reaction is one held by several of his colleagues, and one totally defensible. Ultimately, the people who are equally angry or irritated this is being made into an issue - not to be confused with the people who don't think about it at all and don't care - are by and large not people who can be counted on to react with any real sensitivity to the POSSIBILITY that something could be construed as racist. I'm a straight white male so I would generally have no reason to think much about whether something I did or I saw in a movie was offensive, but as the boyfriend of an Asian woman, I am often reminded that even if I'm not bothered by something in a movie, that doesn't mean somebody else wouldn't be bothered by it, which means that whatever that reaction is is as valid as my not being offended by it. It's one thing to think that they're not offensive, but to think it's wrong to suggest such a thing at all is just plain ignorant, and shows that person has no empathy or ability to see beyond their personal experiences.

Posted by mtgilchrist at June 25, 2009 8:50 PM

comment #21

Indeed says ...

As a black male who wasn't offended whatsoever and doesnt know of any other black males who have seen the movie and were offended, I think everybody simply needs to step back, take a moment, and sew their fucking vaginas up.

Theres a difference between portraying stereotypes for the purpose of entertainment (whether the material successfully entertains is another story) and being racist.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/

Its sad how true that book is.

Posted by Indeed at June 25, 2009 9:14 PM

comment #22

Sebguts says ...

Of course he's willing to put racial stereotypes under his name on the screen. Looking back on his other movies, I don't think there is one single black character of his that wasn't conceived as raving lunatic...

Low, indeed!

Posted by Sebguts at June 26, 2009 12:53 AM

comment #23

K. Bowen says ...

This is not even a questionable case. If those characters aren't racist, nothing is. And it's not like this is some first offense for Bay.

Posted by K. Bowen at June 26, 2009 1:16 AM

comment #24

bibliotechnician says ...

I am constantly blown away by the amount of time, energy, vitriol, and banal rationalizations people on this site conjur up to defend Bay. It's always "but his explosions rock" and "his choice in ass is supreme" and other such garbage. Even Milkman, who I normally agree with or at least see his point of view, put out this tripe: "This is what America likes. We like our shit loud, stupid, racist..." No, Milkman, that's what some people in this country like. The people who don't vote or read or have any say in the shaping of this country other than to waste $10 on a Bay film. So please, just stop with the Bay defense -- you're more intelligent than that. And if you watch it and like your "shit loud, stupid, and racist..." please do yourself a favor, maintain your dignity by keeping those thoughts to yourself.

Posted by bibliotechnician at June 26, 2009 5:20 AM

comment #25

free games says ...

Devin is a bit of a loon. He used to cry racism and try to be the heroic white man stomping out injustice on the CHUD boards

Posted by free games at November 3, 2009 2:55 AM

comment #26

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comment #27

CaHomesMark says ...

"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen "
this is one movie which the special effect is great, the production designed and the director is awesome

Posted by CaHomesMark at February 15, 2010 2:04 PM

comment #28

Ca Mortgage says ...

Alex Kurtzman (born September 7, 1973) is an American film and television screenwriter and producer.

Kurtzman was born and raised in Los Angeles, California,[1] where he met his high school friend and long time collaborator Roberto Orci. He attended Wesleyan University.

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