comment #1

corey3rd says ...

he's a bitter man who can't see his grangkids outside of Entertainment Tonight, He needs to fix his life before he comments on America

comment #2

lonniechung says ...

The organized conservative party likes to keep their people in lockstep with the message, which is easy to do because blind loyalty is their only virtue. They see whatever the 'opposition' is doing and develop a code to defeat every argument. When left to lead - let's say in year 2000 - they fabricate a war and turn a blind eye to the all-night poker party on Wall Street. Every conservative talking head has the buzzwords dripping out of their mouths ("socialism" "weak security"), but with no new ideas. Tone deaf. Look around genius, people feel screwed and they just want answers. If you only have criticism, nobody cares. Being a red ass only works when things are going relatively well, otherwise you just come off as another part of the problem.

comment #3

allstar397 says ...

An Obamaton accusing others of blind loyalty and overreliance on buzzwords? That's rich.

comment #4

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Honestly, it seems sometimes as if being a right-winger, which basically means putting the highest premium possible on respecting authority and showing loyalty to your own and being fearful of other tribes and colors and creeds, is just a chemical or genetic or biological thing. Like being gay. But Voight was a flaming liberal in the late '60s and '70s. I have to presume that his "intellectual equipment" is a significant factor in his having morphed into a rabid diatribe-spouting conservative.

comment #5

TL says ...

Jon Voight is "embarrassed" to be an American? I'm so sick of these right-wingers who hate America.

comment #6

George Prager says ...

He's a depressed person. he reminds me of the 60 something guys I see at the public library. They have nothing to do, nowhere to go. They're scared.

comment #7

Sabina E says ...

what an idiot. OH YES! Obama is such a lousy president who has barely been in office since late January, while Bush, who has murdered thousands of people, abused the Constitution and suspended the Habeaus Corpus, introduced the Patriot Act and dragged America into a financial collapse, and by golly gee, you know what--- Bush was a GREAT president!

Right on!

comment #8

Sabina E says ...

Jon Voight is "embarrassed" to be an American? I'm so sick of these right-wingers who hate America.

me too.

comment #9

moviemaniac2002 says ...

Well, at last the Republicans have a family-values replacement for the Palin family....a sad shmuck who waited till his daughter was an adult to
establish a relationship with her, then trashed her in public, then blubbered about not being allowed to bond with his grandchildren....that trumps an
unwed pregnant teen any day.

comment #10

George Prager says ...

I love how these brain-dead Hollywood types think they can shoot their mouths off about politics, like they have any credibility. Fuckin' morons. Laura Ingraham wrote a book about these jackasses, "Shut Up and Sing" .....no, wait....

comment #11

bluetide says ...

It seems like there are some fairly sane Hollywood Republicans like Clint Eastwood, Gary Sinise, and Sam Raimi, but then there are guys like Voight and Dennis Miller that just say the dumbest/craziest thing they can imagine. This whole thing seems nothing more than a publicity stunt to me.

comment #12

bondjamesbond says ...

So when Voight gets role after role as Authoritarian Asshole in another POS right-wing action-adventure TV series or film, we can tell he's not exactly stretching. No more aspirations as an actor, and even fewer as a citizen. Wallowing like a pig in mud.

comment #13

Josh Massey says ...

Silly conservatives, worrying about Obama moving toward socialism.

Oh, as an aside, I can't wait for Obama to announce who his pay czar is today, the guy who will oversee the pay of all the private companies that the government now owns.

But yeah, silly conservatives.

comment #14

OneTimeOnly says ...

I set up this account for one-time use because I believe it's nobody else's business as to how someone votes, even if that someone has a HE alias.

I am a registered Democrat who stopped voting Democrat in 1992. I believe it's true what someone once said said about how if you're not a liberal when your 20 you have no heart and if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain. Felt America was getting force-fed Clinton (who I just didn't trust), seduced and abandoned by Perot, ended up voting for Bush. Never voted for the winning Presidential candidate until 2000, and again in 2004. Voted for Obama in the primary, but not in the general. He won, and I said, "OK. Let's see how he does." So far, no complaints.
Depending on who the Republicans put up as an opponent (no one looks good right now, but 2012 is a long way away, who knows what can happen between now and then), I can see myself voting for Obama in the next election.

Listened to Rush a lot in the last 15 or so years, Hannity not so much. Not a big fan of cable news either way. Rush drove me away because over the last 6 months, his attitude changed from "if things go bad, I'm just not going to participate in it, I am the master of my fate" to a bitter "that's it, we're doomed" attitude.

I don't listen to Jon Voight or Sean Penn or Alec Baldwin or Dennis Miller when they tell me what they think about politics. I want what's best for the country in general and me and my family in particular. And I feel bad that the shitstorm that occurs when people on both sides of the debate talk about how they feel is so thick sometimes that I feel it necessary to generate an alias for a webpage alias.

Looking forward to opining to you under my primary ID in the near future.

comment #15

George Prager says ...

I agree with Massey. The government now owns 0.21 percent of our corporate and business assets.

http://correspondents.theatlantic.com/conor_clarke/2009/06/what_socialism_looks_like.php

Silly conservatives.

comment #16

Mowkeka says ...

Jeffrey, conservatives are mentally ill?

Oh, is that why poll after poll shows that conservatives are happier, make more money, are better educated and have better sex lives?

Just some food for thought you miserable human being...

comment #17

BurmaShave says ...

OneTimeOnly, that was Churchill. Everyone knows it. He lived in a very different time. Please never speak again.

comment #18

Josh Massey says ...

It's 0.21% percent more than it did last year, and as somebody pointed out above, Obama has only been in office since January. That's what "moving toward" refers to.

comment #19

Josh Massey says ...

"OneTimeOnly, that was Churchill. Everyone knows it."

Actually, it wasn't. Oft-credited to him, but factually inaccurate.

comment #20

bents75 says ...

Do you have a link to one of these polls Mowkeka?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm really asking. I'm curious to know what pollsters ask people to determine the quality of their sex life?

Just the concept of calling up some old lady living in Kentucky some evening while she is watching Wheel of Fortune and asking her how her sex life is doesn't sound right to me. So I don't know how the hell it sounds right to her.

I think the education comparison is complete bull shit too, but correct me with facts if I'm wrong.

comment #21

bibliotechnician says ...

Someone tries to interject some honest, introspective analysis on their particular political point of view and BurmaShave tells them to "...never speak again." Then he gets his quotes messed up.

Maybe this whole karma thing really does work.

comment #22

Abbey Normal says ...

Churchill would never say anything that stupid.

comment #23

corey3rd says ...

it's not like the govt is taking over profit making corporations. They're not buying up Apple or Exxon or McDonalds.

comment #24

George Prager says ...

Ramdom thought: Mowkeka wants Ted Haggard's sex life.

C'mon LexG, weigh in already! Voight had awesome hair in COMING HOME, but what was up with his skin in HEAT?

comment #25

Travis Crabtree says ...

I love how when people are really riled up about something they respond snarkily by starting their screed with the words "I love how...."

Okay, not really.

comment #26

Jonah says ...

"Oh, is that why poll after poll shows that conservatives are happier, make more money, are better educated and have better sex lives?"

Not true at all. Most conservatives are either closet homosexuals or pedophiles. Or both.

And I'm sure all of you conservatives that defend Jon Voight were ripping on liberal Hollywood actors just a few years ago for speaking about politics.

Hypocrites.

Voight can speak out all he wants, but he looks like a fucking idiot. Obama was basically handed a car with a dying engine, flat tires, and less than a quarter tank of gas. He's being asked to drive that car across country in order to get it fixed.

But yeah, Mowkeka and Voight, it's all Obama's fault. Let's do our best to forget the last eight years. They were terrific. Nothing to see here. Keep it moving. Nothing to see here. Under Bush's presidency everything was rosy. No attacks. No costly, regrettable, totally unsuccessful wars. No collapsing economy, that started in January, if my revisionist history is correct.

Seriously, are conservatives really as stupid as they come off as online?

comment #27

Gordon27 says ...

"Oh, is that why poll after poll shows that conservatives are happier, make more money, are better educated and have better sex lives?"

No, it's why idiot after idiot goes on-line and spouts thing that Ann Coulter says without even a whiff of "fact checking", because if Ann says it, it must be true. Never mind that it isn't true, it must be, so it is.

(And, for the record, the bullshit poll you're trying to quote says that they enjoyed the sex that they had more, which is not necessarily the same thing as a better sex life.)

Except happier. I will certainly grant that any poll conducted between Nov. 2000 and Jan 2009, conservatives were likely happier than liberals. Of course, the country as a whole was tanking, but you guys sure were happy about it!

comment #28

Gordon27 says ...

"It's 0.21% percent more than it did last year"

Good point; Bush's solution, to just give them taxpayer money without getting ANYTHING back was far more effective than giving the money they needed to stay afloat (since their failure would doom our economy), but getting some assets back to be cashed in when they actually are making money.

comment #29

Chicago48 says ...

Well, I was in Voight's corner about seeing the grandkids, but then again, AJ must know something that we don't. Maybe there's a darker secret in the family that she's bitter about and it's not just about him leaving her mother...hm....just asking. And I like Voigt as an actor, but he's out of his element here. He needs to remarry, have kids....or find a woman with kids so he can be a grandpa or father or something to fill his time.
What's with him and Alec Baldwin...Nice looking white guys, intelligent, political and they can't no "satisfaction."

comment #30

corey3rd says ...

notice the poll didn't say who they were having that better sex life with - Crack whores don't just service democrats

comment #31

Sean E says ...

And I'm sure all of you conservatives that defend Jon Voight were ripping on liberal Hollywood actors just a few years ago for speaking about politics.

Hypocrites.

That one cuts both ways. How many of the liberals here get this bent out of shape when a Garofolo or a Baldwin says something stupid abut politics?

Far too many celebrities seem to think everyone else should care what they think about politics. They almost always come out looking the worse for it. Voight is not exceptional in this regard.

comment #32

Jonah says ...

Sean E

You completely missed the point. For eight years any actor that spoke out against George Bush and his policies was labeled a traitor by people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc...

Not one of these right wing pundits will say the same thing about Voight. They'll cheer him on.

I don't have a problem with him speaking out, I just think what he's saying is wrong. And he seems like a very unhappy, uncomfortable person.

comment #33

Josh Massey says ...

"For eight years any actor that spoke out against George Bush and his policies was labeled a traitor by people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc..."

Find an instance of this. Please.

comment #34

Todd says ...

To me Obama remains a BIG dissapointment. I'm still second class citizen who has to pay federal taxes on my partners benefits. If I were straight would not have to pay the extra tax. My partner would also beable to get my social security if something happened to me. Obama has allowed for homosexuals to be discharged from the military after promising he would stop this practice. At least Hillary Clinton as kept her word and stop the predjudice within her own Department. A Presedent who refuses to represent my civil rights for equality is not my president and could rot in hell for all I care. BTW what about putting an end to that war against people so poor they live in caves, but yet he continues to spend billions to fight them. Does not anyone else find this odd? Is this his deal with the devil so they won't assassinate him? I guess he's not much of a man to compromise on his principles that got him elected

comment #35

Sean E says ...

You completely missed the point. For eight years any actor that spoke out against George Bush and his policies was labeled a traitor by people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc...

Well, I did miss that point, although I'm not sure you actually made that argument in your initial comment.

But by and large, yeah (although I think you're vastly overstating your point). The extremes on both sides (Hannity, Olbermann) will support the idiots they agree with and blast the idiots they don't. More moderate types tend to roll their eyes at the crazies on the other side and quietly hope that the crazies on their side just go away.

Your initial "hypocrite", though, sure sounded like it was directed at the Josh Masseys more than the Rush Limbaughs. Which, in addition to being over the top, would be more than a little hypocritical itself.

comment #36

Jonah says ...

""For eight years any actor that spoke out against George Bush and his policies was labeled a traitor by people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc..."

Find an instance of this. Please."

Seriously? No, seriously?

Sean E

Look up the word hypocrite, then get back to me. Nothing I said was hypocritical.

comment #37

Rod32303 says ...

He's been in office less than 150 days. I think Todd's issues are real and noteworthy, but HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE LESS THAN 150 days. There's a lot of shit to deal with, a lot of shit he inherited, and if things that benefit the individual (Todd) aren't fixed immediately, i.e. when you deem them ready to be fixed. We all have shit we need and would like to be fixed.

In four years, shit in TWO years, maybe even by December, if these issues haven't been addressed, then more power to you. Right now, at least you and your partner have jobs, yes? Or one of you does. My brother, who has two daughters and is a single parent, was just laid off from his company in March. You'll excuse me if I am praying for him to be a benefactor of a new job, hopefully soon, so that he can take care of his family. If these jobs created (looks like he will get one of the new positions in Orlando) by this President help him, well, this man is doing okay by me. What is important to some is less important to others, depending on your circumstance. Hopefully this president, IN TIME (and get ready for the battle he will face in what you need for him to do, Todd) will remember his promises and keep his word.

He's actually doing okay by me anyway.

comment #38

Jonah says ...

Massey

Just off the top of my head, I will list one.

Hannity referred to Penn as an Enemy of the State for his allegations and remarks about Bush.

What does Enemy of the State mean to you? Sounds like Penn was being called Anti-American and a traitor to me.

comment #39

Sean E says ...

Nothing I said was hypocritical.

I would say that demanding your political opponents meet standards that you don't expect from your allies, or demonstrate yourself, would typically qualify. Possibly others use a narrower definition.

I just reread your original post though, and it dawned on me that your blanket description of conservatives was quite possibly meant seriously. In which case I have clearly been wasting my time and yours trying to engage in any sort of honest discussions with you. My apologies.

comment #40

Josh Massey says ...

I'm not defending that d-bag Hannity, but that "enemy of the state" thing was a poorly worded ripoff of Olbermann's "worst person in the world" - and it was quickly changed to "enemy of the week." At no point did Hannity ever refer to him as a traitor.

You still haven't backed up your statement. "For eight years any actor that spoke out against George Bush and his policies was labeled a traitor by people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc..." Just because you've made the claim over and over and over (and over and over) doesn't make it true.

comment #41

Colin says ...

Coulter personally called for Baldwin to, "be taken to Iraq and come home in a bodybag". Looks like you've got your instance.

comment #42

Travis Crabtree says ...

I continue to be amazed at how thin-skinned people seem to be.

"Hannity/Rush/Coulter called (fill in the blank) 'un-American' and 'traitor' and 'idiot'!"

Once again, I ask.... who gives a fuck? (obviously a lot of people here do)

Last I checked, nobody's been shackled or shot on sight over something Ann Coulter wrote in her weekly column.

Oh my God! Sean Hannity called Sean Penn an "enemy of the state"! I guess he'll have to give his Oscar back now.

comment #43

Colin says ...

Travis, Josh asked for an instance, then it was given. Nobody here is being thin-skinned.

comment #44

MilkMan says ...

The American people have spoken. You don't like the current president then take it up with your fellow citizens. And don't be a sore loser. I had to put up with the previous moron, so now you have to put up with this one, if that's what you think he is. And Mowkeka: you seem like a really opinionated person, too bad you don't have fuckall to say about movies. I'm sure you would have some really interesting things to say.

comment #45

Filthy Rich says ...

Mowkeka - 'poll after poll'??

If you're going to quote polls quote real ones: the majority of Democratic voters are college and university educated while the majority of Repulican votes are HIGH SCHOOL educated or drop outs.

And where the hell has Josh Massey been the last eight years if he thinks dissenters weren't labelled as traitors by all those idiots he reveres?

Guess he was too busy dodging shoes to notice...

comment #46

mccool says ...

Obama could take a page from Reagan--a man he admires in several regards--and just do shit behind the scenes. It's his compulsion to talk about everything and be on tv 24/7 that makes him seem like a much more intrusive president than he is. While I also give Reagan a lot of credit for helping drag the country out of its post-vietnam malaise, I much prefer a President who operates out in the open and respects his public, even if I do tire of seeing him on a daily basis.

comment #47

econeywaaa says ...

Hey, didn't O'Reilly and Hannity say that "An American Carol" was going to be a HUGE hit? OK...sure.

comment #48

DeeZee says ...

Josh: "Oh, as an aside, I can't wait for Obama to announce who his pay czar is today, the guy who will oversee the pay of all the private companies that the government now owns."

Well, those private companies certainly did a good job of overseeing their employees' retirement money and 401ks by betting it all on overpriced housing sold to people who couldn't afford it....

Todd: I'd like to see more action on a lot of issues, but recognize that Obama can't be too bold yet, because he has to worry about a repeat of the '94 mid-term elections next year. As for Afghanistan, well, we need to, if possible, finish what we started, and make the place stable. It probably won't happen, though, since no one cares about the region, unless it has oil.

comment #49

Luke Y. Thompson says ...

I'm not surprised when I hear conservatives are supposedly happier. I too would be happier if I were certain I was on the side of good, any country opposing the U.S. were on the side of evil, and I get to live in paradise with my best buddy Jesus for ever and ever after I die.

Trouble is, I can't bring myself to believe those things. Complexity's a bitch.

comment #50

Travis Crabtree says ...

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comment #51

Travis Crabtree says ...

Meanwhile there's an article on the Huffington Post about what sort of fucking toenail polish Sarah Palin was wearing during a recent speech. Along with over 800, yes, 800 (negative and often crass and crude) comments.

And if you're checking over there, don't miss the delightful things the commenters are saying in regards to an otherwise benign story on G.H.W. Bush and his upcoming skydiving adventure to celebrate his 85th birthday. Classy! (in case you don't feel like mulling through them, it's mostly along the lines of "I hope he forgets to pack his chute and he dies"...that sort of thing)

But none of that is hate.

comment #52

allstar397 says ...

Travis, remember: The Democratic Party is the party of tolerance (except for people with varying political views)

They will never ever criticize Obama, for if he is proven wrong, then they are proven wrong. I just hope eventually the "Blame Bush" act gets old for the rational ones. Its as if Obama can literally do anything he want just b/c he inherited a less than ideal situation and b/c he hasnt been office long. That's the excuse I hear from libs on every obama criticism at least.

comment #53

DeeZee says ...

allstar: Huh? Someone on here just criticized him now. How many Republicans let Bush slide on the deficit he created which they're complaining about Obama making "worse", huh?

comment #54

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