comment #1

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

"with one-year-old Trigg abstaining due to age and other issues"

Low blow.

comment #2

mccool says ...

This also encapsulates the Great Spiritual Cancer of the...entrepenurial middle class in this country. Their lives are so completely geared to making money and cashing in that when the iron is hot, they can only see the iron. Rake it in and worry about ethics and character later on, if ever.

Remove one word and this is one of the most poignant and lucid things you have ever written. Greed and vanity know no political party.

comment #3

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Wells to WonkyDonkey: That's it -- zero right in on a brief and oblique acknowledgment of a factual condition and ignore the moral/ethical overall. Good for you. Your priorities are in the right place.

comment #4

Josh Massey says ...

Why is every political post these days about Republicans? I mean, you have the White House, 60 in the Senate, and yet you can't let go of the bile.

You can't be having that much trouble coming up with positive words about the Democrats.

comment #5

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Fuck off, Wells. Cunt.

comment #6

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Now you've exposed yourself all the more. Go to the nearest bathroom, look in the mirror, think things over.

comment #7

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Haha, just having a laugh. No, I see what you're saying, but at the same time it's a bit harsh to bring the baby into it. I hate Palin as much as anyone, but you can express it without being rude about disability.

comment #8

Ghost072 says ...

C'mon, Josh, Palin and Sanford have been huge stories because of their actions, not because the other side just can't stop talking about them. And in Palin's case, I suspect it is by design.

comment #9

poseidon72 says ...

At the end of the Day there is no right or wrong left in this country. Its all about greed. If you can make a score go for it! Sad but a true FACT!

comment #10

Discman says ...

Josh Massey has a point. Obama's been in office long enough to sign off on numerous Bush/Cheney terrorism/detainee policies with only mildest of tweaks, enraging progressives who are paying attention and who don't buy the administration's attempts to justify engaging in the very practices they spent months villifying before the election. And yet, nothing here, where it's continued Republican-bashing.

Palin remains a juicy target. I don't like her decision, but is it really more newsworthy than Obama's new NSA program, which will, of course, be nothing like the Bush/Cheney program? We know because Obama tells us so. This news broke *four days ago.*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/02/AR2009070202771.html

"The Obama administration will proceed with a Bush-era plan to use National Security Agency assistance in screening government computer traffic on private-sector networks, with AT&T as the likely test site, according to three current and former government officials.

"President Obama said in May that government efforts to protect computer systems from attack would not involve "monitoring private-sector networks or Internet traffic," and Department of Homeland Security officials say the new program will scrutinize only data going to or from government systems.

"But the program has provoked debate within DHS, the officials said, because of uncertainty about whether private data can be shielded from unauthorized scrutiny, how much of a role NSA should play and whether the agency's involvement in warrantless wiretapping during George W. Bush's presidency would draw controversy. Each time a private citizen visited a "dot-gov" Web site or sent an e-mail to a civilian government employee, that action would be screened for potential harm to the network."

Where's the outrage, Jeffrey? If a Republican were doing this you'd be having fits. But, as with most of the very vocal Obama supporters in the run-up to last November, there's nothing on the site but continued Republican-bashing and Obama cheerleading.

Obama is president. He has power, and he's using it. What do you think of it? Are you seriously more concerned by the losing vice-presidential contender from 2008?

comment #11

nemo says ...

There's also the Obama administration's decision to continue hiding photographs of detainee abuse.

And there's Tim Geithner and Larry Summers -- Obama's two worst choices so far -- continuing to ladle out the goodies to the investment bank plutocrats.

I'm glad Obama is in the White House and not a Republican. But there are too many ways in which Obama is looking like George W. Bush's third term.

comment #12

bondjamesbond says ...

Jesus, I make a mild little joke and get banned for life (reinstated after kowtowing) and called an asshat and assclown, but Wonky calls Wells a cunt and tells him to fuck off and no reprisals!? This site is as arbitrary as the iPhone App Store. Nevertheless, I salute the cunt's tolerance. ;-)

But I don't think Wonky has a point. The reference to Trig was not at all malicious or insulting. Must we not even mention disabilities anymore? And by all means no word about the Nazis.

And Obama has been in office since January. Hell, it took Demento Jr. at least a year to start a war. I, myself, am in favor of much more radical changes than BO is ever going to be able to make, but thank God for him anyway.

And it will not ever be possible to produce enough negative press about Sarah Palin, so utterly deserving is she.

comment #13

nemo says ...

But everything Wells has to say about Palin and the Republicans in this post is on the money. Maybe back in the Eisenhower days the Republicans (or least some of them) were about responsibility. The past few decades they're just about appealing to the resentments of the yahoos, then take the money and run.

comment #14

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

bondjamesbond: Yes, I was surprised I didn't get banned too. Haha. Jeffrey Wells, eh? An interesting character. I still read his blog every day. I think lately he has been more and more consumed by his hatred of the proletariat that he has been particularly grumpy. I picture him having a Holden Caulfield style mental breakdown shortly.

comment #15

Jeffrey Wells says ...

One more personal slur and you're banned for life, Donkey-ass. Try me.

comment #16

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

I will be banned soon enough anyway. You might as well do it now. Oh well.

I do enjoy your blog Wells, but man - relax and enjoy the company of the masses once in a while. They're not all dreadful people out to get you. You will morph into an awful curmudgeon and your writing will reflect that.

Peace and love,
xoxox

comment #17

KC says ...

Genuine LOLz at Wells ticking off Makes Fun of Poor Innocent Trig Palin on the checklist of bullshit straw-liberal cliche traits he actually possesses. Legendary.

comment #18

scooterzz says ...

anybody ever see the twilight zone episode, 'it's a good life'?.....

comment #19

raygo says ...

The political rhetoric on the election trail, particularly regarding Bush-Cheney detainee and Gitmo policies, we made in the "spirit" of change, but as a voter I assumed some backpeddling would come once all the confidential info was presented to Obama. I think this only natural. You can't take all statements made by a wannabe President as final and absolute. American politics is a poker game, won by the person holding the best hand or being the best at bluffing, or a combination of both.

comment #20

raygo says ...

I wonder how McCain sleeps at night, realizing the demon he unleashed on the system with his selection of Palin.

comment #21

dangovich says ...

"Hey, you want me to make a positive difference and fight for all our children's future from outside the governor's office?"

Come on, Sarah. You didn't really say that. Talk about "on the nose" dialogue.

comment #22

SpinDozer says ...

The FBI, in a rare response to rampant rumors on the Internet, said it is not investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on public corruption charges.

Alaska's Sarah Palin is stepping down as governor at the end of the month.

"Normally, we don't confirm or deny those kind of allegations out there. But, by not doing so, it just casts her in a very bad light," said FBI Special Agent Eric Gonzalez, who confirmed for CNN the statement he made to the Anchorage Daily News. "There is just no truth to those rumors out there in the blogosphere."

-CNN

comment #23

crazynine says ...

"This also encapsulates the Great Spiritual Cancer of the Republican entrepenurial middle class in this country. Their lives are so completely geared to making money and cashing in that when the iron is hot, they can only see the iron. Rake it in and worry about ethics and character later on, if ever."

Or, maybe, perhaps, she and her family wanted to get away from the likes of cynical, critical, obsessive and disgustingly insulting bloggers and media types picking over their lives, and the most direct way to do it was to leave office.

That may be "quitting," or it may be a mark of sanity to finally stop paying attention to people like Wells (and Sullivan and Dowd and Olbermann and. . . ) who enjoy destruction for destruction's sake, as long as the target has an "R" after their name (and all the better when they have a family that can't fight back! Now go get that baby, she's young *and* disabled, she'll never put up a fight!).

comment #24

Rod32303 says ...

That last post is about as vile as anything I've ever read by maniacs on here or other blogs. THIS is unleashed because this man who owns this site expresses his opinion? Like from 1994 until about 2006 all the "R's" weren't having a field day with Clinton, Gore, Kerry, etc.? Like there weren't shitty and disgusting comments made about Chelsea Clinton and Kareena Gore and Albert Gore Jr by the wackjob extremist?

Please wake the fuck up and have some perspective

Fuck the Haters, Jeff! And this jetwellsisabottom post is ridiculous. He must be both lonely and depressed.

comment #25

Jonah says ...

"That may be "quitting," or it may be a mark of sanity to finally stop paying attention to people like Wells (and Sullivan and Dowd and Olbermann and. . . ) who enjoy destruction for destruction's sake, as long as the target has an "R" after their name (and all the better when they have a family that can't fight back! Now go get that baby, she's young *and* disabled, she'll never put up a fight!)."

Republican's don't try to destroy Democrats now?

comment #26

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

The vulgar poster is not me.

comment #27

Pinko Punko says ...

Wow- double post from the JW fans in the audience.

comment #28

Jonah says ...

"no, they are too busy self destructing themselves"

They still find the time, trust me, Travis.

comment #29

Travis Crabtree says ...

Hey genius..... there's a thing in the magical world of computers and internet called "ISP".... If this guy was me, it would take Wells all of three seconds to see that it was coming from the same ISP as me, and therefore I'd be busted, etc...

...and who's Vinessa Shaw?

comment #30

Travis Crabtree says ...

I will quibble with Wells' deletion comment....

I'd like to think you banned / deleted him for far more egregious sins than simply being "right-wing" and "Palin-defending".

And for the record, (not that this matters to many of you or that you'll even bother to read it, believe it, think about it but...) you wouldn't hear me defending Sarah Palin if I were talking to a group of Republicans or a gathering of actual political wonks. I'm not a big fan of hers. She's too conservative, too ego-driven (even for a politician) and not terribly adroit, from what it would seem, at understanding many issues important to someone seeking national office.

On the other hand, when I hear people call her a "cunt", wish for her painful death or talk about her like she's a hell-spawned demon, well....

comment #31

Travis Crabtree says ...

btw, Wells-

I don't wanna be a tattletale, but there's still an undeleted "...isabottom" comment on the McNamara thread.

comment #32

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Got it, thanks.

comment #33

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

There are also some in the Hurt Locker video thread.

Crazy day on HE.

Jeff Wells, I apologize for my rude outburst earlier on. You're a nice chap. I will hush my potty mouth in future.

comment #34

Jonah says ...

Travis

I know very well what an ISP is. I have no problem admitting it wasn't you. I actually never thought it was. It's just so easy to get you riled up that I couldn't resist, especially the second time.

Chill out, enjoy life.

comment #35

Jonah says ...

"...and who's Vinessa Shaw?"

Hey Genius, there's a wonderful thing in the world of computers and internet called GOOGLE. It would take you all of three seconds to google that name and you'd know who she was, and have something to add to the spank bank.

Chill, Travis. I'm sure you're not nearly as bad a guy as you portray yourself to be.

comment #36

Travis Crabtree says ...

Tell me more about this "google".

comment #37

Travis Crabtree says ...

....and you're kidding about telling ME to chill, right? Right?

...because I mention that one's dislike of Sarah Palin shouldn't send them into fitful spasms of rage? For thinking that calling her a "cunt" is perhaps, I don't know, a bit over the top? I see. You and SpinDozer really are one and the same.

(by the way, as I wrote that my face was bright red, steam was shooting out of my ears and I was foaming at the mouth with fury and hate...because I'm not a "progressive")

comment #38

Jonah says ...

"....and you're kidding about telling ME to chill, right? Right?

...because I mention that one's dislike of Sarah Palin shouldn't send them into fitful spasms of rage? For thinking that calling her a "cunt" is perhaps, I don't know, a bit over the top? I see. You and SpinDozer really are one and the same."

Has nothing to do with that. More to do with the way you flip out in a rage at the slightest provocation. You went nuts on me one day because I said something you took issue with. The other day, was it with Spindozer, you had some keyboard courage going and said you wanted to kick his ass.

Now I just jokingly mention you are the troll posting about Jeff and his son and you freak the fuck out.

It reminds me of Bill O'Reilly and his lack of self control.

comment #39

dogcatcher says ...

Why are some Republicans so surprised that so many people (Democrat, independent, and even some Republicans) hate this woman so? Why are these same Republicans willing to go to the mattresses for this idiotic woman who is all about herself and no one else?

Those of you who criticize those of us who hate her, by accusing us of being motivated by nothing more than partisanship, must ask yourselves why you feel this need to defend her so? Is the only criteria FOR YOU an "R" behind someones name?

Let's review...

This is a woman, once plucked from obscurity, took on the role of fierce attack dog, attacking people who didn't agree with her --- or her party --- for not being "real Americans," or not living in "real America" because they didn't vote Republican, etc. Remember that? Do you understand why that might piss some people off? It's one thing to criticize your political opponents, that's fair, but to criticize those who support them as being sub-human or beneath you has a way of really irritating people. Just sayin'...

When people pointed out her absolute LACK OF QUALIFICATION (nothing no Republican ever did about Obama right? Am I right?) or temperment for being President she would hide behind her ovaries and claim that to oppose her was to be sexist (BTW how is that any different than some race-baiting shit Sharpton would say?) She then claimed some moral superiority in speaking for and about families only to parade her own children around for nothing more than cynical photo-ops. Using her son as a prop to score points with right to lifers, etc. She then did the same with her daughters pregnancy at 17. All very private issues, brought to the forefront by who? Oh ya, by fucking Sarah herself when there was a political point to be scored. After making her own children fair game she then decries how unfair people are to her kids when someone dared asked obvious questions (like how fucking morally superior can a person be if their 17 year old daughter gets knocked up in her own house). But then we get the self-righteous Sarah who blames everyone else. Take that stupid Letterman thing. We got those fake crocodile tears because, according to her, he was attacking a poor defenseless 14 year old (even though the joke was obviously about Bristol). But it was she who made a week-long story out of something which probably wouldn't have recieved any attention otherwise. Why? To elicit sympathy points of course, using yet another one of her children in the process.

Then there's her neverending whine about the media more generally, as if she's the first person who got bad press. Like there weren't 7 million sex jokes about Clinton or neverending attacks (some fair, some not) against Hillary, Gore, Kerry, Dean or any other national Democratic figure.

She cries about her SNL portrayal as if as if she were the first politician lampooned on the show. Listen up people: the woman, by her actions, shows that she isn't ready for primetime and yet it is Sarah herself, YOU and the same media you criticize who prop her up as some sort of national figure.

Thus she earned the enmity of many of us since we see her style of politics as cynicism personified and nothing more (criticizing Obama's attempt to offer financial assistance to people in her state based on some sort of "principle" all the while her state recieving more federal support than any other per capita, jeez that's rich).

Everything this woman does is calculating and she's too skin thinned when called out on it, arrogant enough to believe that there's some sort of conspiracy against her, instead of accepting that she's probably in way over her head.

Do you goopers honestly think that a Republican vice-Presidential candidate, governor and possible Presidential contender is beyond criticism for her actions? REALLY? Is it not fair game to point out the absurdity of considering someone a national figure when she couldn't even compete a single fucking term as Governor of uber-Republican Alaska?

Nothing has been unfair. What we are seeing is this woman getting her comeupance, nothing more.

How many Democrats do you know go to the mattresses for someone like John Edwards who had his own legion of support at one point, was a VP candidate, a viable Presidential candidate and then was thoroughly thrashed by the press for hypocricy when his personal indiscretions and lack of judgement were exposed?

Instead of feeling embattled, whining incessantly about how unfair everyone is, and responding with horrible personal name calling because a D is attacking an R or vice versa (oh the horror, because we all know the reverse would never happen), the Dems dropped the idiot like a bad habit. Something I strongly suggest you goopers do as well.

So again, maybe you goopers have to ask yourselves why YOU feel so compelled to defend this woman and declare all out war against people who have every reason to despise her. We do so because of the things she does and not because of that stupid R behind her name.

Why do you?

comment #40

ErrantElan says ...

"This also encapsulates the Great Spiritual Cancer of the Republican entrepenurial middle class in this country. Their lives are so completely geared to making money and cashing in that when the iron is hot, they can only see the iron. Rake it in and worry about ethics and character later on, if ever."

Replace the word "Republican" with "American", and you're closer to the mark.

Granted, I'm a Marxist, so I'm with Chomsky who sees America as having only one party, the Business party, but come on Wells, I live in NYC. I have for quite awhile. The vast majority of people in this city are liberal Democrats, and it's one of the most sickeningly-money based places you can ever have the misfortune to experience.

It's always trippy for me to see how people who think they're actually left-wing care about money so much, and are so constantly, piggishly greedy. Disappointment of mine since moving to NYC, but I suppose "Sex and the City" fever struck right around when I came.

comment #41

Travis Crabtree says ...

Jonah/SpinDozer.... what kind of bad-ass futuristic Star Trek computer do you have that can read the blood-pressure and heart rate of online forum posters?
I "flip out into a rage"? Really.

I do realize that you come from a POV that dictates when someone types a sentence like "I believe our taxes are high enough" or "I believe in giving vouchers to provide an alternative to public school" then it MUST have been written by someone so filled with hate and vitriol that their eyeballs are in danger of popping out and their keyboards are being fouled by sweat and foaming saliva.

Sorry if I read a comment like "Sarah Palin's a fucking cunt who should, along with everyone else in her stupid family, be set on fire and thrown off a cliff" as bordering on the "angry, over-the-top" side. Who's to know?

And for the FINAL time.... (by the way, don't bother reading this... it's much easier to paint me as simply a Hannity/Rush "lover")....
I am not defending Sarah Palin as a viable national political candidate. I wouldn't vote for her. (though in a way I did via my vote for McCain...oh well... VP don't mean nuthin')
I just find it kind of sickening how way-overboard the criticism of her has been. And yes, there IS sexism at work. Hillary could tell you about that.

And though not generally a violent man, I really do want to beat up SpinDozer. Because he is a punk.

comment #42

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Agree with others - Palin set herself up for a fall by becoming this attack bitch who questioned mine and others' fucking patriotism with her not so subtle digs and comments. It's just a coincidence that she has tits.

In honor of her self-destruction, I'd like to recall the best off color joke I heard about Mrs. Youbetcha last year (skip ahead to avoid non-PC humor): what's the difference between Palin's mouth and her vagina? Not everything that has come out of the latter is retarded (my wife still calls me evil for making her laugh at that).

comment #43

Travis Crabtree says ...

Well there you have it.

comment #44

Josh Massey says ...

ErrantElan: Funny you should say that. I was watching Ric Burns' New York documentary recently. It makes a very clear point that New York City owes its entire existence to capitalism - and beyond that, pure greed. And yet it's now most one of the liberal places in the country - while it still holds on to that money-based culture.

Weird place.

comment #45

ErrantElan says ...

Yes, Josh, I think that's correct. NYC is socially liberal, of course - that distinction should be made. It's a deeply, deeply economically conservative place, though. Honestly, coming from a European background, and then a Midwestern one (albeit Chicago, with Wisconsin a bit thrown in), NYC culture is just preposterous.

Nothing is here if it weren't for money. Even the arts and museums are run by the idea of money. If Los Angeles is the city of who you know and what you look like, NYC is what you do and how much you have, and i permeates through EVERYthing, not just the professionals and young professionals.

comment #46

TATE K. says ...

I really hate New York.

comment #47

Travis Crabtree says ...

U H8 NY

comment #48

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comment #49

SpinDozer says ...

Jonah/SpinDozer.... what kind of bad-ass futuristic Star Trek computer do you have that can read the blood-pressure and heart rate of online forum posters?
I "flip out into a rage"? Really.

oh how preposterous, only Travis has a bad-ass futuristic Star Trek computer that can read the blood-pressure and heart rate of online forum posters. No way mr. levelhead ever flips out into rage...just some Asshat with his sign on...

Comment 41

"I'm calling for violence right now. The violence that involves me beating you like a rag doll, you little turd.

Life's short, Jonah. Enjoy it a little more. I'm guessing that there are few conservatives out there that spend half as much time as you listening to, reading or watching right-wing talking heads. Kick back, read The Nation, watch The Ed Show and lower that blood pressure just a little bit. Turn off the Fox News."

comment #50

SpinDozer says ...

& Trav...Go Fuck Yourself.

comment #51

SpinDozer says ...

'Even the arts and museums are run by the idea of money.'

I know something about the arts and museums and little something about money, and even a little about Chomsky. You wanna tell us all about the arts and especially museums that are NOT run by the idea of money? I can definitely relate to getting ripped and blowing spittel with bits of pigmentation over my hand against the rock face of a cliff or cave wall, but just curious if you have something else in mind?

comment #52

Travis Crabtree says ...

Hmmm. I did contradict myself there. But then you make it seem like beating the shit out of you would somehow be an anger-filled thing. Besides being incredibly effortless, I think I might find it quite fun. No, I know I would.

And don't be modest about Chomsky. I'm sure you know a LOT about Chomsky. His books fill your dorm room, though careful not to block the Che poster, rainbow flag or Viva FARC! poster.

Oh please please please let me beat you!

Pussy.

comment #53

SpinDozer says ...

I already left instructions, should be a well worn path for you. I'll wear wing-tips.

comment #54

COCO says ...

Hey outthere....money runs everything....
the prisons...politics...the arts....movies....
all about the Franklins......dems and elephants...

just a different shade of shit....keep on trying to
change it all....or just a small part of it.