comment #1

ErrantElan says ...

I know this is all completely subjective, but is "Dog Day Afternoon" considered a "classic"? Personal opinions about the film completely removed from the question, of course.

If you have to judge whether a movie is in the "classic" pantheon, I think the only way you can really decide is by a simple, initial gut feeling, and I don't get that for "Dog Day".

comment #2

Mark says ...

I argued w/ a friend earlier that Out of Africa is her masterpiece, just not one directed for me or any writer at the Onion. A certain segment, however, including my mother call it her favorite movie.

I also thought that this article could be easily written from Sean Penn's perspective, since many consider him the current kingshit of acting. Besides Spiccoli, what character has he created or great movie has he lead?

comment #3

corey3rd says ...

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comment #4

Stringer Bell says ...

Jeff: C'mon, if Mamma Mia isnt a classic, then what is?

comment #5

Mark says ...

You may be jokinig, but Mamma Mia does have to be discussed. $600M for a non-sequel and no special effects and you know someone loves it.

comment #6

HanekeFanBoyNumberOne says ...

Most, if not all of the above mentioned films are classics because of the lead performances. Streep, while being a very talented, very good actress, doesn't have the screen persona of a Deniro or Pacino. All of the above mentioned actors/actresses (save for Burstyn) have a trademark personality that they bring to each of their characters; I've never felt that with Streep. I hesitate to call her a glorified character actor but I think there's some truth in it.

comment #7

Mark says ...

Non-sequel, non-animated, non-special effect movies, alltime BO:

1. The Davinci Code

2. The 6th Sense

3. Passion

4. Mama Mia

She's No. 2 if you also exclude movies starring Jesus.

comment #8

Terry McCarty says ...

Mark wrote re Sean Penn:
Besides Spiccoli, what character has he created or great movie has he lead?

I would argue that THE FALCON AND THE SNOWMAN, CASUALTIES OF WAR, DEAD MAN WALKING, CARLITO'S WAY, MYSTIC RIVER and MILK are highpoints of Penn's acting career.

comment #9

Stringer Bell says ...

In case anyone took me seriously ...

Mamma Mia is one of the worst movies of the decade. Unwatchable. Absolute garbage.

$600 million gross tells me there's lots of idiots in this world.

comment #10

Terry McCarty says ...

One more to add to my post above: AT CLOSE RANGE.

comment #11

Mark says ...

Not sure what you're arguing Terry. Those are unquestionably his high points, as well as Colors. And none are close to a masterpiece.

Mamma Mia was not created for anyone that probably posts here. But all classics were not made for jaded white males 25 - 35.

comment #12

Stringer Bell says ...

Sean Penn was great in those movies, but those movies aren't classic, all-time great films.

BTW: Since he's going thru with his divorce, is he back in on the Stooges movie? I haven't read anything to say he is, but there's always hope.

comment #13

Terry McCarty says ...

Re MAMMA MIA: It worked better on stage than on screen, to be sure.

One hopes that with the successes of MAMMA MIA and JULIE AND JULIA that Streep won't just opt for broad, crowd-pleasing stuff in terms of her future choices.

comment #14

Kevin Wetmore says ...

Though under-appreciated, I would argue that "Adaptation" may be her best film.

comment #15

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

Mamma Mia is a massive hit because every girl likes the music of ABBA. It wouldn't be a $600m grosser if it had the same plot set to the tunes of Milli Vanilli.

Girls like "girls night" films that they can go see as an event with their girly chums and sing along and laugh and giggle to. Look at the enduring popularity of Dirty Dancing and Grease. They are like Star Wars and Indiana Jones to girls.

Anyway, Mamma Mia's success has nothing to do with Meryl Streep. I'd even say Colin Firth had more of an effect on middle-aged women buying tickets. Mothers love Mr. Darcy, no jokes. But ABBA is the key there.

comment #16

Wrecktem says ...

Good call Kevin Wetmore. Adaptation isn't talked about much these days, but I bet it'll age very, very well.

She was Oscar nommed for that film if you recall.

comment #17

Rich S. says ...

What about Death Becomes Her? It's not a classic, by any stretch of the imagination, but I believe it marked the first time Robert Zemeckis dipped his toe in the digital waters.

comment #18

anonymous2 says ...

Adaptation good call. But to add my 2 cents I would have to believe she will always be remembered for Mamma Mia and Devil Wears Prada. Damn Morlocks.

Also, don't forget the classic "She-Devil".

comment #19

markj says ...

I dunno, The Deer Hunter looks pretty great to me...

comment #20

Travis Crabtree says ...

Forget "classic", I've argued for years that for as huge of a movie star as she is/was, Julia Roberts was never in a really good movie, let alone classic.... (until "Erin Brockovich", that is, which is really good, but not classic)

"Pretty Woman"? It was a decent chick movie. That's all.

comment #21

Mark says ...

"Anyway, Mamma Mia's success has nothing to do with Meryl Streep"

Unfair to say that. Raiders and Private Ryan may have likely made similar money with different stars, but you'd still check the list of classics under Ford and Hanks. Who knows whether Susan Surandon could've led MM to $600M , but I doubt it. Streep does have a recent track record of being a big box-office draw.

comment #22

Travis Crabtree says ...

People.... join in! I'm blanking here....

Name a famous actor/movie star of years past who was never in a "classic" film....

comment #23

Stringer Bell says ...

'Deer Hunter' is an all time great for me too, but as 'Fake Meryl' said, she was barely in it.

comment #24

p.Vice says ...

The reason that Streep has allegedly not starred in a bona-fide "classic" is because the best films she has appeared in are not overtly masculine. As men comprise about 98% of the voting committee on the subject, the list of "classics" is inevitably comprised of movies that hit an overtly masculine nerve, as evidenced by Jeff's list above. The Deer Hunter is about as close as it gets and... well, isn't Cimino a transvestite now?

Besides, actors should be judged by their performances, not the overall film, and on that tack I'd wager that a lot of her work in the above list would make a "classic performances" list in a heartbeat.

comment #25

cinefan says ...

That's very interesting about Streep and great films. I've always thought the same thing about Olivier, another legendary and great actor, and his list of films. Rebecca is probably my favorite film of his but it's usually not listed among Hitchcock's best. Also, not sure about Wuthering Heights or Henry V, both certainly very good films, being counted as great films. Maybe there's something about being a great actor or actress that overshadows the films they're in or elevates mediocre material.

comment #26

Rich S. says ...

"Name a famous actor/movie star of years past who was never in a 'classic' film...."

Tom Cruise? He's been in a lot of good movies, to be sure. But, like Meryl, nothing you could consider "classic."

comment #27

Stringer Bell says ...

Adaptation was a very good film (though, not a classic), but I honestly don't remember Streep's part whatsoever.

comment #28

Mark says ...

TC - The point is that many recognize Streep (and Penn) as our greatest actors, and usually those talents find their way on the set of a classic movie. Go through the list of actors with multiple Oscars, and you shouldn't have trouble naming their classics.

Huge movie stars are different. Many have never been in a masterpiece.

comment #29

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

"Tom Cruise? He's been in a lot of good movies, to be sure. But, like Meryl, nothing you could consider "classic." "

Tom Cruise has some classic blockbusters though, which is more than can be said for Will Smith whose resume looks a bit patchy in comparison. I mean Jerry Maguire vs. Hitch? etc.

comment #30

Stringer Bell says ...

Cruise's performance in 'Born on the 4th of July', to me, is a classic performance.

Most people dont consider 'July' a classic, but I thought it was pretty close to one.

Who would have thought Charlie Sheen would be in an all-time classic (Platoon), but not Cruise.

comment #31

Mark says ...

Cruise is a movie star, not an actor, so the point is moot, but Jerry MaGuire is absolutely a classic as is Rain Man.

comment #32

JChasse says ...

1) "Sophie's Choice" may not be a classic film, but Meryl's performance is a classic performance.

2) I can see someone answering Travis' question about a famous movie star/actor who was never in a classic film, and a whole lot of people coming out saying "Oh, yeah, well what about..." and listing films not nearly as good as "The Deer Hunter" and "Kramer vs. Kramer"

comment #33

Stringer Bell says ...

Jerry Maguire?? Mamma Mia?? Nothing personal Mark, but you're way off dude.

Rainman is an excellent film, but Hoffman was in better films that that : 'The Graduate, Tootsie, All the President's Men, Midnight Cowboy'.

comment #34

Steven Kar says ...

Quick side note: Cruise was the more interesting actor AND character in RAIN MAN.

comment #35

TL says ...

"Does anyone in the world other than Mike Nichols own the DVD of Heartburn?"

Awesome.

comment #36

Mark says ...

How do you define classic? This year's biggest comedy had a whole successful homage to Rain Man and it totally worked 21 years later. When Wayne's World 2 diid a similar homage to The Graduate, everyone was like wtf is this? No one got the reference.

So Rain Man is absolutely a classic, and Oscar or not, Cruise did much of the heavy lifting.

I never saw Mamma Mia. Just said you can't discount the final number it got, nor the opinions of those that loved it. No need to defend Jerry MaGuire here. an no-doubt homerun in what Crowe was attempting to pull off.

comment #37

George Prager says ...

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comment #38

JapAdapters says ...

Put me down in the Deer Hunter as classics column too.

I don't think Depp or Penn have been in a classic movie. Shit, my favorite Penn movie is probably State of Grace, which I love but can't come close to calling great. It's funny hinking tthat Tom Crusie has made better movies than either one of them, but it's probably true.

Then again, how does one define "classic"? Both Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Risky Business are classics of a sort, IMO.

comment #39

JapAdapters says ...

Oh yeah, Will Smith does as good of acting as I've ever seen in SIx Degrees of Separation. It's been all downhill from there, though.

comment #40

DarthCorleone says ...

Agreed on Adaptation. It's too early to call it a classic now, but it has that potential. And although it's a supporting role, it's an important one with a great performance.

comment #41

Stringer Bell says ...

Depp was in Platoon, but he was practically an extra in it.

comment #42

mccool says ...

Defending Your Life has a lot of charm. Not a classic, though, so why am i mentioning it.

Deer Hunter is a classic. Boring, but a classic.

comment #43

Stringer Bell says ...

State of Grace. Underrated movie. That was Gary Oldman's classic performance (Better acting than 'Sid & Nancy' IMHO).

comment #44

raygo says ...

The Devli Wears Prada contains a classic performance by Streep. The hair alone is iconic. I think she surprised many people in that movie.

comment #45

JohnCope says ...

Uh....Ironweed?

comment #46

lonniechung says ...

This is an interesting question because there is no core reason for it - she's teamed with great directors on quality projects, but none of them have produced that lasting (elusive) magic that a classic must possess. No fault to her, it almost seems like it's more or less coincidence. I'd say Kramer Vs. Kramer or Out of Africa would be the closest, but most of her movies seem almost overshadowed by her performances. No matter how great the movies may be, you always remember them for her more than anything else.

comment #47

Bob_Roberts says ...

Oh I love the Will Smith - 6 degree's card. It is as predictable as Wiley Coyote holding up a HELP sign when he runs off a cliff. DAMN.

Is Fight Club a Classic film (I would argue yes, but..) if not, Ed Norton. Damn fine performances but no classic's. As a matter of fact, I would say his first 6 movies are a murderers row of great performances (but not classic movies), culminating with Fight Club.

Is Boogie Nights a classic (I would argue yes) but if not that takes Mark Wahlberg out AND Burt Reynolds (unless you count Deliverance, and I would argue no)

And finally, Matt Damon, who has a couple amazing performances under his belt, including The Talented Mr Ripley, but other than (and I know the people here will argue this to death) Saving Private Ryan, no classics on the resume.

comment #48

JapAdapters says ...

Well, if you can predict that someone will bring up the quality of a certain performance when discussing an actor's career, then the performance itself was probably a good one.

comment #49

USEME says ...

I for one did go to see "Mama Mia" for Colin Firth!

comment #50

BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...

"And finally, Matt Damon, who has a couple amazing performances under his belt, including The Talented Mr Ripley, but other than (and I know the people here will argue this to death) Saving Private Ryan, no classics on the resume."

I'd say Good Will Hunting is a bonafide classic. And surely the Oscar-winning Departed is some sort of modern crime classic? I personally love it.

comment #51

LYT says ...

The Deer Hunter = Absolutely a classic. And not just for ushering in the Age of Walken.

comment #52

Jackrabbit Slim says ...

Nobody's mentioned Woody Allen's Manhattan, which I consider a classic. She didn't have a very big role, but she was in it.

comment #53

Mark says ...

I think if you can easily recall a character's full name in a non-biographical movie, then there's something resonating about the performance and/or movie. In that vain, Damon has James Ryan, Mike McDermott, Tom Ripley, Jason Bourne, etc. Not sure anyone can beat Cruise though with Brian Flanigan, Charlie Babbit, Cole Trickle, Danny Caffee, Ethan Hunt, Jerry Maguire, Frank Mackey, John Anderton, Les Grossman, etc. I'm not saying these are all classic performances, but interesting to compare this to Will Smith, whom i can't name one full name. I don't even know whether HItch was that guy's first name or last. this is partly attributed to Smith picking more effects-driven projects, but i also think Cruise did well in picking characters with great names. Cole Trickle? How do i remember that. f'ing brilliant.

comment #54

bluefugue says ...

>All of the above mentioned actors/actresses (save for Burstyn) have a trademark personality that they bring to each of their characters; I've never felt that with Streep. I hesitate to call her a glorified character actor but I think there's some truth in it.

This is what I've always admired about Streep -- she can disappear into a role like nobody else I know. So I guess I'd agree with the "character actor" assessment, but I'd mean it as a term of approbation.

comment #55

bluefugue says ...

>Mamma Mia was not created for anyone that probably posts here. But all classics were not made for jaded white males 25 - 35.

I don't think "Les Enfants du Paradis" was created for jaded white males 25-35 either, but I am one of those and I adore that film intensely. I think a good movie is a good movie -- I don't sweat intended demographics too much. (From an aesthetic standpoint, that is; from a commercial standpoint they are of course very important.)

comment #56

T. S. Idiot says ...

It isn't fashionable to like Out of Africa, but it works for me. Just watched it for at least the 10th time. (It's in the little woman's top 10.)

comment #57

JapAdapters says ...

I suspect Sophie's Choice may be a classic except I don't ever watch it because it's so fucking sad.

comment #58

lipranzer says ...

"I know this is all completely subjective, but is "Dog Day Afternoon" considered a "classic"?"

Well, it perfectly captures NYC at a certain period of time, showing how one simple little robbery could blow up in that way, revealing all kinds of divisions in the city not everyone wanted to talk about. By that argument, one could say it was merely a classic NYC movie, and I can understand that, but I think it is a classic.

Back to Streep - I certainly would say ADAPTATION is close to being a classic, and contains her single funniest performance. I also rate BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY very high, because I couldn't have imagined a good movie coming from that novel, and she's terrific in that one as well. I will agree she's been better than many of her movies, however.

comment #59

Josh Massey says ...

Magnolia is Tom Cruise's "classic," and I wouldn't automatically throw out arguments for Eyes Wide Shut, Born on the Fourth of July and Risky Business.

comment #60

O.G. says ...

Mamma Mia isn't an effects film?

Almost all of it was shot in a replica Greek village that filled the 007 Stage at Pinewood. Green screens the size of football fields hanging from the roof. Granted, no aliens or spaceships but a lot of "invisible" effects work.

No amaount of effects wizardry could sort out Pierce Brosnan's singing though.

comment #61

bluefugue says ...

>That's very interesting about Streep and great films. I've always thought the same thing about Olivier

I'd call Hamlet arguably a great film or at least a very good one, though I haven't seen it in a while.

comment #62

Unison says ...

The Deer Hunter, Manhattan, Silkwood, Out of Africa, The Hours

These are all great films, near the tops of their respective genres. What is the problem here? Streep's career is fantastic.

And she certainly has a defining performance... Sophie's Choice, no doubt.

comment #63

K. Bowen says ...

I blogged about this once a couple of years ago.

As weird as it sounds, I think the film that she'll most be remembered for down the line is Prada. Not a great film, but a female Top Gun, and thereby possibly a classic in that sense. As Hathaway and Blunt move on in their careers, that should help. Prada might not be a great film, but it had the luck of being in the right place at the right time.

comment #64

bluefugue says ...

Incidentally, while the film itself is no classic, One True Thing might be my personal favorite Streep performance, at least among those I've seen.

comment #65

arturobandini2 says ...

Mark: "I think if you can easily recall a character's full name in a non-biographical movie, then there's something resonating about the performance and/or movie."

I've always thought that Madeline Kahn had the most colorful gallery of character names of just about any actor, living or dead: Eunice Burns, Lili von Shtupp, Trixie Delight, Victoria Brisbane, Empress Nympho, Mrs. White, Bunny Weinberger, Blanche Munchnik...

Now compare Streep's career to Julie Christie's. Lots of critics have (stupidly) knocked Christie's talent, but count the classics: Darling, Doctor Zhivago, Fahrenheit 451, Petulia (a classic to anyone who's seen it), McCabe & Mrs. Miller, Don't Look Now, Shampoo, Heaven Can Wait.

comment #66

bmcintire says ...

"Cruise . . . with Brian Flanigan, Charlie Babbit, Cole Trickle, Danny Caffee, Ethan Hunt, Jerry Maguire, Frank Mackey, John Anderton, Les Grossman"
To be honest, less than half of those struck me as familiar the first read through. And without resorting to IMDB, I still couldn't place the Flanigan, Caffe or Anderton characters in their respective Cruise films with any confidence.

comment #67

Geoff says ...

Ok, in what world is Kramer vs. Kramer NOT considered a classic???? That was a trailblazing movie - not only acclaimed and commercially successful, but truly the first first big mainstream picture to focus on divorce, just as it was becoming more prevalent.

Also, Silkwood, Adaptation, and The Deer Hunter would certainly qualify. The Mama Mia argument is pretty silly, though; if you're going to include a commercial breakthrough as a "classic," you might as well include Meet the Parents as one of DeNiro's classics.

Tom Cruise's classic is Magnolia, no doubt in my mind. For Julia Roberts, it's Erin Brockovich - it's on cable right now and damn, that movie holds up. Sad to say, but Will Smith has not really had a true classic, of yet, but.....give him time. Pursuit of Happyness and Six Degrees come closest, both very underrated.

comment #68

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Have to agree with pVice - there's a very noticeable male-centric bend to the "classic" list which is precluding both SOPHIES CHOICE (which wasn't a big hit) and OUT OF AFRICA (which was). The later was pretty much "instant" classic - I remember a female friend of mine stealing the poster from Variety off my college office wall.

comment #69

Frank B says ...

The Deer Hunter is a classic. Also, this doesn't really count because she had a small, though memorable part but, uh...Manhattan?

comment #70

ZayTonday says ...

The Deer Hunter and The Devil Wears Prada would go into the classic category imo.

comment #71

ZayTonday says ...

Oh and her old flame John Cazale was in nothing BUT classics.

comment #72

sumo-pop says ...

Steven Kar says ...
Quick side note: Cruise was the more interesting actor AND character in RAIN MAN.

Thank you. I've been saying that for years and getting the stink eye back. I feel the same way about Denzel over Hanks in Philadelphia. In both cases Cruise and Washington are the ones who change in those films. and the change is wonderful and subtle. Something Cruise hasn't always been given credit for.

comment #73

byanyother says ...

Postcards from the Edge SHOULD be. Silkwood IS. Streep tends to overshadow her director and directors are, it seems, what defines a classic.

comment #74

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

For whomever said Depp hasn't been in a "classic":

Nightmare on Elm Street
Edward Scissorhands
Ed Wood
Donnie Brasco
Fear & Loathing in LV
Before Night Falls

Not saying they are all classics or anything, but it's something to chew on. And if Ed Wood isn't a classic, I'm not really sure what the word means anymore.

comment #75

Steven Kar says ...

sumo-pop,

Change is good, but it's not the only reason that made Cruise's character (and performance as an actor) quite good in the movie.

I think what made him far more interesting than Dustin's character was that he was given something to do, it was an emotional whirlwind for the character and I imagine Cruise savoured the part. There was drama in his character, there was action, he wasn't passive, and most of all (unlike the Dustin character), he wasn't monotonous.

Dustin, who certainly had to do some heavy lifting initially to "get" the character really had nowhere to go as an actor once the movie started. He got the ticks and twitches and repetitions right and then... what? The what? Nothing. Nowhere to go with his performance as an actor.

I heard acting teachers criticise his character solely got that reason. I'm sure they think he's a good actor, but he was limited with this character. I don't there would've been a mini-backlash had he not won the Academy Award.

I also have the same exact feelings about Hanks' character and performance in FORREST GUMP.

Cruise was a joy to watch in RAIN MAN. Not for one second did I feel that he was acting. Or that he was self-aware. He was genuine. And I completely grasped his character and got him. It's like Cruise was simply being and not acting when the cameras were rolling.

comment #76

Noah Cross says ...

No love for "A dingo ate my baby"?

I do think "A Cry in the Dark" is a very good film, if not a classic. "Deerhunter" is a classic as is "Manhatten" and I think "Adaptation" will be.

comment #77

Michael says ...

The Deer Hunter is a classic.

Defending Your Life is a classic to me.

comment #78

thatmovieguy says ...

"Classic" is an overused term to begin with. But if Streep had retired 10 years into her film career, we'd still have her memorable performances in "The Deer Hunter," "Manhattan," "Kramer vs. Kramer," "The French Lieutenant's Woman," 'Sophie's Choice," "Silkwood," "Plenty" (I'm the only person in the world who loves it, but...), "Out of Africa" and "Ironweed," so you can bet she'll never be forgotten. And I'm glad mentions were made of "Postcards from the Edge," "Defending Your Life" and "Death Becomes Her" -- she's superb and hilarious in all of them.

comment #79

arturobandini2 says ...

Remember Pauline Kael's one-line review of Rain Man? "Rain Man is Dustin Hoffman humping one note on a piano for 2 hours and 11 minutes."

comment #80

pablobondi says ...

The Hours is horrible

comment #81

Steven Kar says ...

Arturo,

Thanks. Gonna look up the review.

comment #82

Hallick says ...

The Deer Hunter: Robert DeNiro. Christopher Walken. Russian Roulette. Best Picture. For the love of Christ, the power to make Heavens Gate!!!

Fuck the article - classic movie. End of discussion.

comment #83

Hallick says ...

Seriously, this is the a classic example of a writer liking his conclusion so much that he'll revise history because it contradicts his vision. Cute try. Should have died on the scratch paper.

comment #84

Gnome de Guerre says ...

Hallick, damn straight.

As for Cruise in Rain Main, the other great thing about his underrated performance is how similar some of his body language and manner of speaking is to Hoffman's sometimes. His character is closed off emotionally and awkwardly selfish, and Cruise plays it as a reflection of Hoffman's autism. It's very subtle, but it's there, and it's one more way their their characters are connected as brothers.

comment #85

K. Bowen says ...

But do you think The Deer Hunter and think Meryl Streep first?

I'll answer that for you. No.

comment #86

Bob Violence says ...

When I think Raging Bull and Taxi Driver I always think of Scorsese first

comment #87

Rollo Tomassi says ...

I always thought Kael's description of Hoffman's "Rain Man" performance to be a bit unfair. Honestly, how many more could that character have hit without making it dishonest?

comment #88

DavidF says ...

I think people here are missing the fundamental flaw in all this: You can't call a contemporary movie a classic (though, clearly, you can try) and Streep is a contemporary actor. It's a mug's game.

Were people in 1939 talking about how Ray Bolger and Bert Lahr were starring in a classic? No - because Wizard of Oz wasn't a CLASSIC yet. It may be hard to believe but I'm guessing people didn't know Casablanca or Maltese Falcon would one day be "classics" either, though I'm sure everyone knew they were darned good.
People sure didn't know 2001 was a CLASSIC back in 1968 but I don't know what it really means that Keir Dullea was in a CLASSIC and Meryl Streep (allegedly) hasn't been.

I'd agree with the basic premise that, perhaps, Streep hasn't been in a true landmark film but I still think we need more time before emphatically making that declaring anything she (or Sean Penn etc. etc.) has been in is a "classic" one way or another.

Does anyone here know truly know how Adaptation or Sofie's Choice will be regarded 50 years from now?

comment #89

ErrantElan says ...

I agree that contemporary films can't be called "classics" yet, and I also agree that the term is overused and vague (although, using the gut-feeling criteria for describing a film as "classic", I think some contemporary films can be described as such - "The Matrix" comes to mind).

I think people bring too many personal opinions to the discussion - just because you liked, or didn't like, a film doesn't mean it is or isn't a classic.

And lipranzer, I think you made my point. I'm sure it was an important film to 1970's NY'ers, but if those are the only people who see it as a "classic", it does not a classic make.

comment #90

btwnproductions says ...

Whatever. She's a woman of a "certain age" who after 30 years in the business is a major movie star, whose power to open a movie must awe her male contemporaries. Viva Meryl!

comment #91

K. Bowen says ...

Her daughter is in Taking Woodstock this weekend. A subpar film from a name director. Always good to see a young one carrying on the family tradition. :)

comment #92

Krillian says ...

Deer Hunter, Manhattan and Sophie's Choice are classics. All of the classics Jeff lists (except Raging Bull) are movies that came out before Meryl Streep broke out in the late 1970's, so it's an unfair argument. How many movies after 1977 would you call classic?

comment #93

COCO says ...

A ''Classic" versus a body of work that she has...
with many fine films....with many years to travel
and produce more genius....we can talk again in
2019 or so....until then popcorn anyone?

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