"American lynch mobs never die; they only become more self-righteous about their savagery." -- critic Jonathan Rosenbaum in a 9.28 posting about Roman Polanski's situation.
Posted by rayciscon at September 29, 2009 11:57 AM
comment #2
BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey says ...
This is really sickening stuff from the media elite. Lynch-mobs? Fuck right off. The man raped a child and fled the country to avoid punishment, and yet those asking, not unreasonably, that he serve the time for his crime are now "savages" and :lynch-mobs"?
Jesus fucking Christ.
What next? A campaign to exonerate Gary Glitter? He's presumably an Art God in the glamrock world.
Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey at September 29, 2009 12:03 PM
Posted by Jackrabbit Slim at September 29, 2009 12:21 PM
comment #6
Travis Crabtree says ...
I am so ashamed of America.
Where's our compassion?
Look at the Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, or, as self-righteous American propagandists call him, the "Lockerbie bomber". If he was incarcerated in the Amerikkka, we'd probably expect him to complete the terms of his sentence. It makes me shudder to think how quickly this country would've denied him the richly-deserved hero's welcome he received upon his return to Libya.
I love Europe so much more. However, instead of moving there and being happy I think I'll just stay in this moronic, knuckle-dragging sewer and just bitch constantly.
Posted by Travis Crabtree at September 29, 2009 12:23 PM
comment #7
Mowkeka says ...
Umm, Jeffrey, I got news for you. You, and you're excuse-any-crime leftist friends, are the lynch mob.
BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey wrote:
The man raped a child and fled the country to avoid punishment, and yet those asking, not unreasonably, that he serve the time for his crime are now "savages" and :lynch-mobs"?
Maybe "fled the country to avoid further punishment" is a more accurate statement, since Polanski had already done 42 days at Chino.
Posted by Terry McCarty at September 29, 2009 12:32 PM
comment #9
SnarfTheFierce says ...
Terry McCarty wrote:
Maybe "fled the country to avoid further punishment" is a more accurate statement, since Polanski had already done 42 days at Chino.
Coincidentally, 42 days is the exact amount of time a rape victim requires for psychological recovery.
Posted by SnarfTheFierce at September 29, 2009 12:38 PM
comment #10
Mowkeka says ...
Let's put it bluntly, shall we?
Jeffrey Wells = child molester lover.
Posted by Mowkeka at September 29, 2009 12:38 PM
comment #11
Stringer Bell says ...
Jeff: I've been reading you a long time, and havent been as disgusted with you as I've been with this whole Polanski thing.
Is there any real difference between what Polanski did and what Michael Jackson did? Yet, you rake Jackson over the coals after he dies, and the 'great' Polanski, because he's a film genius, gets a full pass. Give me a fucking break. Jackson and Polanski ruined people's childhoods, which is something that couldn't be more a cruel thing to do.
Posted by Stringer Bell at September 29, 2009 12:46 PM
comment #12
flashman says ...
To think that these brutes have pursued Mr. Polanski even unto the very doorstep of his chalet in Switzerland! It makes me shudder. And for what? What court presumes sit in judgment of this man, a man whose films bespeak a gaze that has beheld the Ineffable, a man who has wrestled with Imponderables and emerged triumphant---soiled, perhaps, but holding aloft his hard-won trophy: Art! How dare we tell this man that he is to be held to account for a few minutes of a bourgeois girl's discomfort?
Besides, she has been compensated. I do not speak of money, but rather, of the stain that Mr. Polanski must forever carry on his soul. For in his inmost being, I have no doubt that Mr. Polanski has been marked, as only the greatest among us can be; a stain more indelible than the sticky wetness that was was the girl's only tangible reminder of her embrace by Genius, the stain of knowing that he had expended Himself, a soul tempered by the gods for such exquisite greatness, on a lumpen mass of such unworthy flesh.
Posted by flashman at September 29, 2009 12:51 PM
comment #13
Alida Vali says ...
"Is there any real difference between what Polanski did and what Michael Jackson did?"
No difference. And yet Michael Jackson is adulated by the same hoards who want to put Polanski behind bars.
Posted by Alida Vali at September 29, 2009 12:55 PM
"American lynch mobs," give me a fucking break. Nobody gave a damn and were happy to live and let live.
But now, what, we're supposed to be outraged that the law (only after being mocked by Polanski's friends/admirers) finally caught up with with an acknowledged fugitive?
"Coincidentally, 42 days is the exact amount of time a rape victim requires for psychological recovery."
That nails a much overlooked point. What I almost never hear discussed (and, at least to my recollection, was not raised in the Polanski documentary) is the possibility that Judge Ritterband - who, yes, clearly was a jackass - may have had a moment of judicial clarity where he quite reasonably determined that Polanski's plea bargain was simply too much of a sweetheart deal to be acceptable.
Although I do think some weight to Polanski's state of mind (after the brutal murder of his wife and unborn child) should be considered by the courts, my thoughts on this one are pretty well summed up by Nina Burleigh on the Huffington Post:
What is up with you, Mowkeka? Do you want to suck Wells' cock or make him accept Jesus as his personal savior or both? When I don't like someone, I don't read their blog and I definitely don't post comments on their blog.
Posted by George Prager at September 29, 2009 2:05 PM
comment #20
ROTC says ...
Jeff Wells wrote, "Alida Valli speaks the truth."
Jeff, Vali said in no uncertain terms that there is no difference between Jackson and Polanski. If you agree with Vali, then you are retreating from either your documented anti-Jackson or pro-Polanski position. Which is it?
Who's in the lynch mob and who's a good guy? How about me?
I'm:
-Sympathetic to the plight of a 77 year old man being apprehended at an airport.
-A huge Polanski fan.
-Convinced that a jail sentence 30 years after the fact probably won't do anything to make him a better citizen or right any wrongs.
-Aware that the judge would've likely reneged on their plea agreement had he stayed.
But then I'm also:
-Aware that he was apprehended for fleeing sentencing for having sex with a 13 year old girl while in his 40s, in a scenario that effectively had him playing photographer, seducer, celebrity and designated driver all at once, which is to say, an unfair and downright weird situation to put any teen into.
-Aware that she said no.
-Aware that he likely only got the plea agreement from rape to statutory rape because he was who he was in the first place.
-Aware, then, that the trial didn't suddenly become unfair so much as it was for a while made to seem like a cakewalk. (And who wouldn't feel betrayed, sure.)
So altogether, I feel bad about an old man whose work I admire being arrested for something he should have gone to jail for decades ago. And otherwise I don't feel strongly: I don't want him freed any more than I'd want the teacher in my hometown who had sex with his 14 year old student after getting HER drunk freed. (And he is doing time.) Nor do I want him to die in prison, even as I recognize that hey, he's the one who pushed his sentencing back so far that he'd be an old man if and when the US ever got him.
I'd wager there are a lot of us who don't see this arrest as some profound violation who feel more or less the same way, without a lot of hysteria. Does this make us part of the lynch mob to which you and Rosenbaum are referring? Where is this savagery I'm not seeing?
When I don't like somebody I don't devote comment after comment to them. So if you want to suck my cock, well, no thank you.
I actually comment on many of the film-related posts. I think Wells is an astute film reviewer, and a political ass. I can't help it if he's devoting most of this blog to his radical, left-wing, child-molesting-loving agenda.
Posted by Mowkeka at September 29, 2009 3:10 PM
comment #23
DeeZee says ...
Travis: To be fair, a lot of Europeans were pissed about the Lockerbie guy being let go, too. The government was arguing that it was his condition which was the reason, but some insiders suggest Tha Daffy was gonna cut off economic deals with the Brits if he died in prison.
Alida: MJ took responsibility, which is ironic, given his financial situation before his death.
"my thoughts on this one are pretty well summed up by Nina Burleigh on the Huffington Post:"
'The Human Stain' is about a man falsely accused of racial bias, and was based on a real incident. I think it's a stretch to say "Novels by and about angry and accused men have been written about unfortunate incidents" and then only have one actual example of it.
comment #1
rayciscon
says ...
6 Words:
'"Father Polanski" would go to jail'
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/09/father-polanski-would-go-to-jail-says-jesuit.html
Posted by rayciscon
at September 29, 2009 11:57 AM
comment #2
BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey
says ...
This is really sickening stuff from the media elite. Lynch-mobs? Fuck right off. The man raped a child and fled the country to avoid punishment, and yet those asking, not unreasonably, that he serve the time for his crime are now "savages" and :lynch-mobs"?
Jesus fucking Christ.
What next? A campaign to exonerate Gary Glitter? He's presumably an Art God in the glamrock world.
Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey
at September 29, 2009 12:03 PM
comment #3
Mark
says ...
This seems like an incredibly self-righteous quote from Rosenbaum.
Posted by Mark
at September 29, 2009 12:03 PM
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at September 29, 2009 12:07 PM
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Posted by Jackrabbit Slim
at September 29, 2009 12:21 PM
comment #6
Travis Crabtree
says ...
I am so ashamed of America.
Where's our compassion?
Look at the Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, or, as self-righteous American propagandists call him, the "Lockerbie bomber". If he was incarcerated in the Amerikkka, we'd probably expect him to complete the terms of his sentence. It makes me shudder to think how quickly this country would've denied him the richly-deserved hero's welcome he received upon his return to Libya.
I love Europe so much more. However, instead of moving there and being happy I think I'll just stay in this moronic, knuckle-dragging sewer and just bitch constantly.
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 29, 2009 12:23 PM
comment #7
Mowkeka
says ...
Umm, Jeffrey, I got news for you. You, and you're excuse-any-crime leftist friends, are the lynch mob.
Posted by Mowkeka
at September 29, 2009 12:25 PM
comment #8
Terry McCarty
says ...
BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey wrote:
The man raped a child and fled the country to avoid punishment, and yet those asking, not unreasonably, that he serve the time for his crime are now "savages" and :lynch-mobs"?
Maybe "fled the country to avoid further punishment" is a more accurate statement, since Polanski had already done 42 days at Chino.
Posted by Terry McCarty
at September 29, 2009 12:32 PM
comment #9
SnarfTheFierce
says ...
Terry McCarty wrote:
Maybe "fled the country to avoid further punishment" is a more accurate statement, since Polanski had already done 42 days at Chino.
Coincidentally, 42 days is the exact amount of time a rape victim requires for psychological recovery.
Posted by SnarfTheFierce
at September 29, 2009 12:38 PM
comment #10
Mowkeka
says ...
Let's put it bluntly, shall we?
Jeffrey Wells = child molester lover.
Posted by Mowkeka
at September 29, 2009 12:38 PM
comment #11
Stringer Bell
says ...
Jeff: I've been reading you a long time, and havent been as disgusted with you as I've been with this whole Polanski thing.
Is there any real difference between what Polanski did and what Michael Jackson did? Yet, you rake Jackson over the coals after he dies, and the 'great' Polanski, because he's a film genius, gets a full pass. Give me a fucking break. Jackson and Polanski ruined people's childhoods, which is something that couldn't be more a cruel thing to do.
Posted by Stringer Bell
at September 29, 2009 12:46 PM
comment #12
flashman
says ...
To think that these brutes have pursued Mr. Polanski even unto the very doorstep of his chalet in Switzerland! It makes me shudder. And for what? What court presumes sit in judgment of this man, a man whose films bespeak a gaze that has beheld the Ineffable, a man who has wrestled with Imponderables and emerged triumphant---soiled, perhaps, but holding aloft his hard-won trophy: Art! How dare we tell this man that he is to be held to account for a few minutes of a bourgeois girl's discomfort?
Besides, she has been compensated. I do not speak of money, but rather, of the stain that Mr. Polanski must forever carry on his soul. For in his inmost being, I have no doubt that Mr. Polanski has been marked, as only the greatest among us can be; a stain more indelible than the sticky wetness that was was the girl's only tangible reminder of her embrace by Genius, the stain of knowing that he had expended Himself, a soul tempered by the gods for such exquisite greatness, on a lumpen mass of such unworthy flesh.
Posted by flashman
at September 29, 2009 12:51 PM
comment #13
Alida Vali
says ...
"Is there any real difference between what Polanski did and what Michael Jackson did?"
No difference. And yet Michael Jackson is adulated by the same hoards who want to put Polanski behind bars.
Posted by Alida Vali
at September 29, 2009 12:55 PM
comment #14
TL
says ...
"American lynch mobs," give me a fucking break. Nobody gave a damn and were happy to live and let live.
But now, what, we're supposed to be outraged that the law (only after being mocked by Polanski's friends/admirers) finally caught up with with an acknowledged fugitive?
Posted by TL
at September 29, 2009 1:02 PM
comment #15
ROTC
says ...
"Coincidentally, 42 days is the exact amount of time a rape victim requires for psychological recovery."
That nails a much overlooked point. What I almost never hear discussed (and, at least to my recollection, was not raised in the Polanski documentary) is the possibility that Judge Ritterband - who, yes, clearly was a jackass - may have had a moment of judicial clarity where he quite reasonably determined that Polanski's plea bargain was simply too much of a sweetheart deal to be acceptable.
Posted by ROTC
at September 29, 2009 1:19 PM
comment #16
Ghost072
says ...
Although I do think some weight to Polanski's state of mind (after the brutal murder of his wife and unborn child) should be considered by the courts, my thoughts on this one are pretty well summed up by Nina Burleigh on the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nina-burleigh/genius-and-young-flesh_b_302515.html
Posted by Ghost072
at September 29, 2009 1:28 PM
comment #17
lbeale
says ...
I'm actually more concerned for the victime, who says she's moved on long ago, and feels she's being raped once again, this time by the legal syatem.
Posted by lbeale
at September 29, 2009 1:37 PM
comment #18
Jeffrey Wells
says ...
Alida Valli speaks the truth.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells
at September 29, 2009 1:54 PM
comment #19
George Prager
says ...
What is up with you, Mowkeka? Do you want to suck Wells' cock or make him accept Jesus as his personal savior or both? When I don't like someone, I don't read their blog and I definitely don't post comments on their blog.
Posted by George Prager
at September 29, 2009 2:05 PM
comment #20
ROTC
says ...
Jeff Wells wrote, "Alida Valli speaks the truth."
Jeff, Vali said in no uncertain terms that there is no difference between Jackson and Polanski. If you agree with Vali, then you are retreating from either your documented anti-Jackson or pro-Polanski position. Which is it?
Posted by ROTC
at September 29, 2009 2:28 PM
comment #21
qwiggles
says ...
Who's in the lynch mob and who's a good guy? How about me?
I'm:
-Sympathetic to the plight of a 77 year old man being apprehended at an airport.
-A huge Polanski fan.
-Convinced that a jail sentence 30 years after the fact probably won't do anything to make him a better citizen or right any wrongs.
-Aware that the judge would've likely reneged on their plea agreement had he stayed.
But then I'm also:
-Aware that he was apprehended for fleeing sentencing for having sex with a 13 year old girl while in his 40s, in a scenario that effectively had him playing photographer, seducer, celebrity and designated driver all at once, which is to say, an unfair and downright weird situation to put any teen into.
-Aware that she said no.
-Aware that he likely only got the plea agreement from rape to statutory rape because he was who he was in the first place.
-Aware, then, that the trial didn't suddenly become unfair so much as it was for a while made to seem like a cakewalk. (And who wouldn't feel betrayed, sure.)
So altogether, I feel bad about an old man whose work I admire being arrested for something he should have gone to jail for decades ago. And otherwise I don't feel strongly: I don't want him freed any more than I'd want the teacher in my hometown who had sex with his 14 year old student after getting HER drunk freed. (And he is doing time.) Nor do I want him to die in prison, even as I recognize that hey, he's the one who pushed his sentencing back so far that he'd be an old man if and when the US ever got him.
I'd wager there are a lot of us who don't see this arrest as some profound violation who feel more or less the same way, without a lot of hysteria. Does this make us part of the lynch mob to which you and Rosenbaum are referring? Where is this savagery I'm not seeing?
Posted by qwiggles
at September 29, 2009 2:55 PM
comment #22
Mowkeka
says ...
What is up with you, Prager?
When I don't like somebody I don't devote comment after comment to them. So if you want to suck my cock, well, no thank you.
I actually comment on many of the film-related posts. I think Wells is an astute film reviewer, and a political ass. I can't help it if he's devoting most of this blog to his radical, left-wing, child-molesting-loving agenda.
Posted by Mowkeka
at September 29, 2009 3:10 PM
comment #23
DeeZee
says ...
Travis: To be fair, a lot of Europeans were pissed about the Lockerbie guy being let go, too. The government was arguing that it was his condition which was the reason, but some insiders suggest Tha Daffy was gonna cut off economic deals with the Brits if he died in prison.
Alida: MJ took responsibility, which is ironic, given his financial situation before his death.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 29, 2009 5:15 PM
comment #24
Gordon27
says ...
"my thoughts on this one are pretty well summed up by Nina Burleigh on the Huffington Post:"
'The Human Stain' is about a man falsely accused of racial bias, and was based on a real incident. I think it's a stretch to say "Novels by and about angry and accused men have been written about unfortunate incidents" and then only have one actual example of it.
Posted by Gordon27
at September 29, 2009 6:24 PM
comment #25
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What would THIRD MAN co-star Alida Valli think of this? "A person doesn't change just because you find out more..."
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at September 29, 2009 7:54 PM
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