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Nine and a half years ago I flipped for Karyn Kusama's Girlfight, one of the most street-authentic and emotionally believable female empowerment sports sagas ever. (I tried finding my Reel.com Sundance review, but it's hiding.) Last week I saw Kusama's latest film, Jennifer's Body, and I was aghast.
Never in my life have I noticed such a massive disparity in the tone, spirit and content of two films by the same director. A talented young woman with guts and heart directed Girlfight. A woman who has sold her soul to Satan directed Jennifer's Body. I have a screening about to start so I'll add to this later, but Jennifer's Body is empty repellent extremist crap. And Megan Fox really and truly has no soul. She has all the natural soul-charisma of a porn star.
"While not exactly lifeless, Jennifer's Body sure could be fresher," writes Variety's Justin Chang. "Even with Megan Fox ideally cast as a sharp-fanged succubus with a lusty appetite for young male (and sometimes female) flesh, this high school horror romp tackles its bad-girl-gone-really-bad premise with eye-rolling obviousness and, fatally, a near-total absence of real scares.
"Fox Atomic item will stir interest as a post-Juno outing for scribe Diablo Cody, whose whippersnapper sensibility can be heard in the occasional snatches of self-consciously clever dialogue. But even auds primed to see guts and other exposed body parts will be disappointed by a Body less bawdy than advertised."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on September 10, 2009 at 3:43 PM
comment #1
Joel
says ...
Girlfight was great, but I gave up on Kusama after Aeon Flux.
Posted by Joel
at September 10, 2009 4:12 PM
comment #2
Travis Crabtree
says ...
"Girlfight" made squat.
"Jennifer's Body" will make fuck-loads-upon-fuck-loads of money.
Such is the world we live in.
And I swear, if I hear ONE person say "yeah, I know it'll probably suck, but I'm gonna see it anyway...."
Rrrrrrrgggggg.
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 10, 2009 4:13 PM
comment #3
Postavant
says ...
Aeon Flux was wretched and a huge step down from Girlfight, but Juno is still the best film of the last two years or so, so...we'll see. I'm conflicted on this one, and will end up seeing it because I have to. Don't know if I'll love it or not.
Posted by Postavant
at September 10, 2009 4:14 PM
comment #4
televisiontears
says ...
Postavant, not to be a dick, but can I help you with something:
Juno is still your *favorite* film of the last two years or so.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 4:19 PM
comment #5
Postavant
says ...
I have a superiority complex. My opinions are facts. Yaddi yaddi yaddah. Figured it would just be read as an opinion anyway, it gets redundant.
Posted by Postavant
at September 10, 2009 4:20 PM
comment #6
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
You obviously have a superiority complex if you consider an inferior work such as Juno the "best anything" of the last two years.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 10, 2009 4:39 PM
comment #7
frankbooth
says ...
Doesn't Rose McGowan already have this turf covered? Well, I guess she's getting "old." Put her on an ice floe and bring in the new meat.
Invest wisely, Megan.
Posted by frankbooth
at September 10, 2009 4:46 PM
comment #8
btwnproductions
says ...
I'd see a movie called "Show Us Yer Tits."
Posted by btwnproductions
at September 10, 2009 4:46 PM
comment #9
LexG
says ...
Megan Fox is a symbol of EVERYTHING that EVERY STRAIGHT MAN on this planet ought to seek to achieve.
NO MAN's wife or girlfriend is as hot and sexy as Megan Fox, and thus NO MAN's life is fulfilled if they're not with her or a COMPARABLE actress/celebrity (Alba, Hilton, Stewart, Johansson, etc.)
They are the prizes of GODS ON EARTH, the ONE THING every man thinks about EVERY WAKING SECOND OF HIS LIFE from puberty: FEMALE PERFECTION, and by extension being the KING, being GOD, from having sex with THE ULTIMATE WOMAN whom all women envy and whom all men desire.
Face it, Jeff, you KNOW she's hot, you KNOW you're turned on by her... this vendetta seems to be a case of protesting too much. EVERY hetero man on this planet is OBSESSED with Megan Fox and the women I listed, and all terrestrial women fall short, because EVERY MAN on this earth would dump his frau wife or girlfriend for 11 seconds with THE FOX.
BOW.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 4:49 PM
comment #10
G.N.A.
says ...
Juno was a very enjoyable movie. Overrated, but entertaining nonetheless.
Somehow I think the reviews will be even harsher just because Diablo Cody wrote it.
Posted by G.N.A.
at September 10, 2009 4:49 PM
comment #11
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
Lex's diatribes always seem to come off like those rambling monologues in some lost Bret Easton Ellis manuscript shoved disgustedly into a drawer around 1996.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 10, 2009 4:54 PM
comment #12
Gabriel
says ...
In other news, Postavant has only seen one film in the past two years.
Posted by Gabriel
at September 10, 2009 4:58 PM
comment #13
LexG
says ...
Much like THE GREAT Tom Leykis, I speak the truth. I'm like the Tyler Durden of horniness.
Real men want ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY:
A hot, FAMOUS chick. Everything short of it is just a dude selling himself short and convincing himself he's happy.
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 4:58 PM
comment #14
Wrecktem
says ...
"She has all the natural soul-charisma of a porn star."
You just now figured this out? Contrary to Lex's slavering, Megan Fox is everything that's WRONG about female sexuality today. No charm. Just raw, dead "fuck me" eyes, gross tats and a tweaker's body. Perfect for the 21st century world of YouPorn and RedTube but certainly not anything approaching what is necessary for a legitmate film career.
Posted by Wrecktem
at September 10, 2009 5:04 PM
comment #15
bildeaux
says ...
This reminds me of that awesome topless robot "transformers 2 faq" post.
Can you explain Megan Fox's appeal?
Yes. She looks like a porn star and has the same acting talent as one, yet for some reason she makes mainstream movies. This tonal disconnect is what's so appealing about her.
funny stuff -
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php
Posted by bildeaux
at September 10, 2009 5:04 PM
comment #16
great scott
says ...
If only this site had ads featuring Megan Fox instead of Michael Moore.
Posted by great scott
at September 10, 2009 5:06 PM
comment #17
LexG
says ...
Fox's tats are NOT "gross," and her body type?
It's called BEING HOT.
Anytime some dude pipes up that he "likes curves" and wants "some cushion for the pushin'", that's code for I CAN'T GET A HOT SKINNY CHICK.
FOX POWER. BOW TO IT.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 5:13 PM
comment #18
malibugigolo
says ...
Megan Fox. Not hot. She looks smoky and sort of exhausted from that special sheen of exhaust you can only get from being clouded with a large plume of smoke from a mass transit bus.
Posted by malibugigolo
at September 10, 2009 5:13 PM
comment #19
televisiontears
says ...
Lex's posts like this creep me the fuck out.
Also did he just refer to Paris Hilton as "a prize of gods on earth", "female perfection" and "the ultimate woman"?
Head, meet explosion. Sad, sad explosion. Sadplosion.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 5:14 PM
comment #20
LexG
says ...
Christ, another eunech clocks in.
Anyone who's not down with The Fox is either a liar or flamingly gay.
I give up on you guys. For real.
Thought I guess I should be happy there's less competition, since apparently if M-Fox walked into a room full of 100 L.A. hanger-on assholes, 98 of you would leave in disgust to go hit on Kathy Griffin and Janeaene Garofolo, leaving just me and THE B.A.G. to appreciate the fact that she IS GOD.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 5:15 PM
comment #21
LexG
says ...
T-Tears:
YEP YEP. Bow to the Hilt. The Monroe of the New Millennium, only she doesn't weigh 220.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 5:16 PM
comment #22
KC
says ...
I hate that the Movieline review has me wanting to check it out when I remember reading the script and being awed by what a shit pile it was. Gotta say though that if nothing else Megan Fox makes an absolutely perfect villain/bully figure for a teen girl high school movie
Posted by KC
at September 10, 2009 5:21 PM
comment #23
televisiontears
says ...
You really need to get laid.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 5:30 PM
comment #24
longrunner
says ...
Not gonna happen.
Posted by longrunner
at September 10, 2009 5:49 PM
comment #25
lazarus
says ...
I don't like Megan Fox OR Diablo Cody, but am I the only person who didn't think Aeon Flux was that bad? Granted I saw it at the $2 theatre and wasn't experting much, but it certainly wasn't lowest common denominator sci-fi. Had a few good set pieces, faithful but imaginative set design, an interesting story, and Theron delivered as usual. People act like it was on a Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson level of audience-insulting crap, and I think that's a bit unfair.
Posted by lazarus
at September 10, 2009 6:00 PM
comment #26
LexG
says ...
Laz: And not just for even the Theron Catsuit reasons...
I thought Aeon Flux was very good, very impressive, interesting in look and thematics... extremely underrated sci-fi flick.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 6:11 PM
comment #27
televisiontears
says ...
It seems like no one actually saw Aeon Flux and its reputation was part of the package. It's a 36 on Metacritic, which seems a bit harsh.
I wouldn't say it's very good, but I enjoyed it.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 6:16 PM
comment #28
BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey
says ...
Karyn Kusama is the female Lee Tamahori.
Lex: Megan Fox isn't that hot by Hollywood standards. She's just the best marketed starlet in years. Give her agents an award or something.
Posted by BoshBarnetWonkyDonkey
at September 10, 2009 6:18 PM
comment #29
p.Vice
says ...
Megan who?
Posted by p.Vice
at September 10, 2009 6:27 PM
comment #30
Colin
says ...
Write in campaign to have Lex play Bret Easton Ellis in Lunar Park instead of Benicio Del Toro.
Frankly I'm tired of Megan Fox and I think a certain someone watched American Psycho and thought it was a total connect to themself, not realizing it was a seething satire.
Posted by Colin
at September 10, 2009 6:37 PM
comment #31
Pynchon8
says ...
And it looks like Esquire is going to go with her for Sexiest Woman Alive so you can tack a few more months onto her shelf life.
Posted by Pynchon8
at September 10, 2009 6:39 PM
comment #32
LexG
says ...
"Sexiest Woman Alive..."
Damn right.
Well, Fox or K-Stew.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 6:44 PM
comment #33
corey3rd
says ...
she's a dumb guy's Caroline Munro. She's a vapid Jennifer Connelly.
After watching her completely deflate on How to Alienate People, I've pretty much lost any desire to think she has anything to offer besides "looking hot." She got all the acting talent of a lost Landers sister - not even a Gabor (those women had personality). Her being the guest star of the season's first SNL might just end her career.
Ultimately this film might not make box office gold. It might just become a well rented Netflix title.
Far as being every man's dream - even NHL players wouldn't want Brian Austin Green's sloppy seconds.
Posted by corey3rd
at September 10, 2009 6:44 PM
comment #34
LexG
says ...
"Far as being every man's dream - even NHL players wouldn't want Brian Austin Green's sloppy seconds."
David Silver 4 Life.
Shit, I'd have NO problem with it.
M-Fox = BEYOND hotness.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 6:47 PM
comment #35
cantona_x
says ...
Can't agree with Jeff more on this case:
a porn star used by a porn director in two continous robot porn
Posted by cantona_x
at September 10, 2009 6:51 PM
comment #36
LexG
says ...
Also: Fox was utterly delightful in LEX'S FOURTH OF JULY FANTASY:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm7SJJKAB8M
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 6:52 PM
comment #37
alynch
says ...
Ah, the internet, where people can pretend to have hilariously high standards.
Posted by alynch
at September 10, 2009 7:43 PM
comment #38
Scott Mendelson
says ...
Aen Flux was just good enough to make me wish it were better. It had real ideas, rich colors, and a few interesting action scenes. I'll never watch it again, but I'm glad I saw it once.
Posted by Scott Mendelson
at September 10, 2009 7:50 PM
comment #39
Nick X
says ...
Juno was my least favorite movie of all time. I would have much preferred to watch a two hour film in the vein of The Passion of the Christ in which every character from Juno was scourged to a bloody rag. It was like Lars von Trier (maybe my least favorite living director) tried to direct Garden State (my third least favorite movie of all night).
Posted by Nick X
at September 10, 2009 8:04 PM
comment #40
Nick X
says ...
uh, all time, not all night. i've been drinking.
Posted by Nick X
at September 10, 2009 8:21 PM
comment #41
televisiontears
says ...
LexG, I don't think many people are denying that Megan Fox is physically attractive. Okay, she's hot. Now... can we move past that? Some people require a little more than early 20's physical aesthetics to be turned on. We enjoy talent, intellect and character. A seemingly vapid celebrity who I've never met can't do anything for me.
Maybe it's my personal tastes, but I don't understand this phenomenon of fantasizing about models and other celebrities.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 9:04 PM
comment #42
LexG
says ...
Talent: Who cares. No one cares about actresses' talent. It's a fact. Even chick flicks, even GOOD chick flicks, DO NOT MAKE MONEY. Because even women don't care about female acting talent, except for the five Yentas who go to see Kate Winslet and Emma Thompson movies. To 100% of straight men who aren't film world douchebags trying to impress people with their PC liberal credentials, we'd rather see Alba or Johansson for 2 hours than Amy Adams or Kate Winslet. If you'd rather see the latter two? You just might be gay.
Intellect: Could NOT care less. This goes for real life. Ladies, look hot, be flirtatious and fun, and you could be a functional fucking illiterate. All that shit goes right out the window in the sack. Being an overeducated guy, I've only EVER dated educated women, and it's not fun. They're annoying. In general, women are pretty annoying anyway. Which is why I never want another stable relationship or marriage EVER again. Been there, done that. BOREDOM.
Character: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. After I hit it once, I never wanna see or talk to a hot chick EVER again, so by all means, she can go back to spreading for whoever, whenever.
And I fantasize about these women because I AM GOING TO BE THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON WHO EVER LIVED, and this will be my dating pool.
I have wanted to BE FAMOUS since I was eight years old. A desire that only grew after being a picked-on nerd in high school, a nobody commuter in college, a failed artist in my 20s, a suburbanized white-collar henpecked douche in my late 20s and early 30s.
Two years ago I SNAPPED and decided I was going to act a fool, say what I want to say, act irresponsible, and be an asshole to anyone and everyone. And I'd drink and party as much as humanly possible, because I never had that fun adolescence and college oats-sowing that most normal people do.
Unfortunately, at nearly 37 years of age, it's hard to get a POSSE going and hard to meet "hot chicks" in L.A., when every remotely attractive woman is angling up to directors, producers, writers, rappers, players.
So basically my FIGHT CLUB, or SEX CLUB, as it would be, consists of me berating women in chat rooms while downing cheap beer, with the occasional guys night out at a strip club with a bunch of other pushing-40s sadsacks. And my "acting, writing and comedy" consists of me posting here and on Poland's blog.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 9:28 PM
comment #43
DeeZee
says ...
Travis: When do horror comedies make money? Hell, Idle Hands had pre-"fame" Alba in her skimpies, and it bombed.
Lex: Seeing Mila Kunis in a bunch of tight outfits in Extract made me forget about Fox. I think my problem with the latter actress is, like Alba, she's trying too hard to look and sound like a pseudo-slut, but doesn't have the sensuality to seal the deal. In other words, she's a little too "obvious", and guys like myself prefer the "playing-hard-to-get" types.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 10, 2009 9:33 PM
comment #44
DeeZee
says ...
"Unfortunately, at nearly 37 years of age, it's hard to get a POSSE going and hard to meet "hot chicks" in L.A., when every remotely attractive woman is angling up to directors, producers, writers, rappers, players."
I think the real problem with hooking up in L.A. is it takes anywhere from 1-2 hours just to pick up someone for a date nowadays. And that doesn't include actual place(s) you have the date.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 10, 2009 9:36 PM
comment #45
LexG
says ...
DZ, Kunis is high on my list, have no fears.
I'd like to give her some vanilla extract.
ZING.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 9:50 PM
comment #46
DeeZee
says ...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/jennifer-s-body-film-review-1004011124.story
Jeff has another Hancock to hate.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008440.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Why are studios still making superhero comedies when they always bomb?
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008447.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
3D finally gets some funding.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i85a75f3355f4093d7cb396ac259a5407
Posted by DeeZee
at September 10, 2009 9:50 PM
comment #47
Travis Crabtree
says ...
I've walked this path before, but here it is again.......
I swear, some people.
Did "Juno" come to your house, rape your wife, shoot your dog then steal your car?
The hate some folks have for that movie is just head scratching. You'd think Sarah Palin directed it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion yadda and if you think it was over-rated, fine. It probably was.
But I have to call bullshit. If some of the haters wandered into Sundance, sat down and watched the film knowing NOTHING about who wrote it or directed it I'm certain many would say "hey, that's a fun little movie. I liked it".
Was there an exact date on the calender when it suddenly became really, really cool to hate "Juno"?
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 10, 2009 9:57 PM
comment #48
LexG
says ...
I liked "Juno."
YAY.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 10:06 PM
comment #49
Nick X
says ...
I hated Juno with deep, visceral passion the moment I saw it, and I would have done so if I had never heard word one about it. I did, in fact, see it quite early on.
Posted by Nick X
at September 10, 2009 10:07 PM
comment #50
Travis Crabtree
says ...
I just don't get it.
Not like, fine.
But why hate? Was it so offensive? I'd think "hate" would be reserved for cynical studio crap like "G I Joe".
I'd really like to know.
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 10, 2009 10:15 PM
comment #51
hiviper
says ...
"her characters tend to sound more like hyperarticulate pop-culture savants than recognizable adolescents"
- from Juntin Chang's Variety review (which could apply to Juno as well).
So it's more of the same cutesey shit from Cody.
Posted by hiviper
at September 10, 2009 10:17 PM
comment #52
LexG
says ...
Travis:
I liked it fine, but that "home skillet" and "honest to blog" dialogue is the kind of shit that's SO embarrassing, it makes a man shrivel up like he just took a Gordie Howe slapshot to the fucking bozack.
It's like if Slappy White looked directly into a fish-eye lens and muttered some babytalk nonsense like "zoinky-pooky-poo" for 91 minutes while smacking his lips.
Posted by LexG
at September 10, 2009 10:19 PM
comment #53
DeeZee
says ...
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15104/toronto-review-jennifer-s-body-
Posted by DeeZee
at September 10, 2009 10:28 PM
comment #54
televisiontears
says ...
LexG, you genuinely frighten me. I'm not kidding. Please don't date rape anyone. Please...?
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 10:48 PM
comment #55
televisiontears
says ...
As I posted that, I realized I might be too late.
Posted by televisiontears
at September 10, 2009 10:49 PM
comment #56
zap
says ...
liked JUNO tons
Posted by zap
at September 10, 2009 11:18 PM
comment #57
eoguy
says ...
Just saw the midnight screening at TIFF, and what an awful movie. Aside from the occasional diablo Cody line, there's nothing redeeming in this, except maybe the girls kissing.
Megan Fox is as flat as always, and everybody else is just filler, including Adam Brody, who is hardly in the movie. The plotline is all over the place, and it never really achieves anything. As for the scares, it's true, there are a few attempts, but none of them will make you jump.
This is a real dud.
Posted by eoguy
at September 10, 2009 11:22 PM
comment #58
The Winchester
says ...
I'm just glad there are others who like Aeon Flux, I've been defending my like of that film for 4 years now. Sure, not the greatest film, but when you have your main character dropping a tab of something to have a meeting in the subconscious, that's a movie that has ideas. Might not be too successful in conveying said ideas, but at least it's trying.
And I'm a Juno lover, too.
And yet, I'm not really looking forward to this movie, despite the Movieline rave that got me a little excited about it.
Posted by The Winchester
at September 10, 2009 11:28 PM
comment #59
DeeZee
says ...
Trick 'r Treat trailer. http://www.darkhorizons.com/trailers/
Posted by DeeZee
at September 10, 2009 11:36 PM
comment #60
lazarus
says ...
Would now be a bad time to also mention I liked The Island as well? I mean, yeah it could have been better, but had a couple of very attractive leads, and for a Michael Bay film, was actually pretty intelligent? Again, it shouldn't have been lumped in with the sci-fi for bottom-feeders.
Posted by lazarus
at September 10, 2009 11:58 PM
comment #61
The Winchester
says ...
The Island would have been awesome if they marketed just the first 45 minutes of the movie, instead of the typical Michael Bay stuff that fills up the end. That being said, I find it more enjoyable and less insulting than the transforming robots series.
Posted by The Winchester
at September 11, 2009 12:12 AM
comment #62
DeeZee
says ...
lazarus: You do know it's an unauthorized remake of Clonus, don't you?
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 12:34 AM
comment #63
Nick X
says ...
Yes, it was so offensive. It induced nausea in me. All that self-regarding babytalk was infantilizing, squirm-inducing, awful. So awful, so smug.
Posted by Nick X
at September 11, 2009 12:43 AM
comment #64
Rich S.
says ...
Oh, goody. The critics have apparently decided to do an "Inglourious Basterds"-style take-down of Diablo Cody and Megan Fox. "Your 15 minutes are over girls. Back to the 90210 reboot."
It would be funny if this turned out the same way as IB, making scads of money.
Posted by Rich S.
at September 11, 2009 3:58 AM
comment #65
Momus
says ...
The only hot chick in "How To Lose Friends" was Gillian Anderson. Megan tried so hard. Too hard, as usual. And whenever she opens her mouth, it gets even worse.
Whatevs. In a year's time the LexG's of the contemporary world will get some new meat to chew on. Metaphorically speaking, because the meat will never be available to them and it's not even new. ;)
Posted by Momus
at September 11, 2009 5:28 AM
comment #66
jasctt
says ...
What did people except from the dumbass writer behind JUNO?
Posted by jasctt
at September 11, 2009 5:31 AM
comment #67
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
"and for a Michael Bay film, was actually pretty intelligent?"
Kinda like saying, "for a man diagnosed with Parkinson's, Michael J. Fox doesn't really shake that much..."
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 5:32 AM
comment #68
Alboone
says ...
I keep going back to this saying: if it ain't scary, then it aint working. Sadism is not a suitable subistitute for tension. And I'm sorry if I might come off as a chauvnist pig but what the fuck are they thinking of not showing Megan Fox's tits. If she was around during the 80's this would've been a prerequsite.
Posted by Alboone
at September 11, 2009 5:45 AM
comment #69
Michael
says ...
I liked Juno overall, but it was an odd movie. It had the brutally awful cutesy dialogue, but...it also had maybe the best 'argument' scene I can remember. Garner and Bateman going back and forth in their breakup scene floored me with how good it was.
'Don't mock me.'
Posted by Michael
at September 11, 2009 5:58 AM
comment #70
jasctt
says ...
If I had a kid as annoying as Juno, I'd put a pillow over her face.
Posted by jasctt
at September 11, 2009 6:01 AM
comment #71
corey3rd
says ...
Without Megan Fox going topless, this film has zero chance of survival after a critical beatdown. At least with Basterd, people went to see the brutality of baseball bats to the foreheads.
Posted by corey3rd
at September 11, 2009 6:56 AM
comment #72
DeeZee
says ...
Rich: Except IB didn't make a ton of money, because it was over-budget, and the profits ended up being split between companies. And JB will probably do as well as Swimfan at best.
Alboone: That' the norm nowadays. That R-rated Alba comedy was like that, too, unfortunately.
corey: That's what I thought with that Alba flick, and it did actually make money. And I thought people saw Basterds because they wanted to hear the basterds talk about killing nazis for 2 1/2 hours.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 7:29 AM
comment #73
DeeZee
says ...
Well, ok, if people are stupid enough to make Good Luck Chuck a hit, I guess JB could actually do that well.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 7:31 AM
comment #74
DeeZee
says ...
Unless Sorority Row has nudity, of course.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 7:33 AM
comment #75
corey3rd
says ...
Good Luck Chuck made $34 million. Which probably made it break even when you figure out the amount of cash Dane Cook had to pay for his body waxer.
Also Good Luck Chuck was being sold as a dopey date night flick.
Anyone really going to take their potential new lover to see Jennifer's Body? And the sexiness loses it when Fox's mouth turns into fangface.
Maybe it'll make its money from women thinking this is the follow up to Mama Mia.
Sorority Row has that disturbing Willis offspring and the ditz from The Hills. If they are beaten to death with a baseball bat by Princess Leia, I might see it in Imax.
Posted by corey3rd
at September 11, 2009 7:43 AM
comment #76
George Prager
says ...
JENNIFER'S BODY sounds a hell of a lot more realistic than JUNO.
Anyway, let's take up a collection to send LexG to film school.
Posted by George Prager
at September 11, 2009 8:22 AM
comment #77
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
"Except IB didn't make a ton of money, because it was over-budget, and the profits ended up being split between companies."
There's a huge difference between making money and making profit and your continued insistence on using the terms interchangeably is one of the many (read: many, many, many) reasons you're consistently perceived as the dumbest "contributor" on this site. Also, the fact that the profits are split between two companies has nothing to do with a picture's overall profitability, it simply means the particular companies made LESS of an investment in the movie (aka $50M on a $35M investment as opposed to $100M on a $70M investment).
It's really quite simple but the feeling all of this is just really beyond your comprehension. All of this from a movie that you were so confident would fail that you said it "already bombed" way back in March. HA!
"And JB will probably do as well as Swimfan at best."
I have a tendency to think it will to a little bit better than that. Partially because (as much as I hate to admit it) I think Megan Fox will be a draw, esp. in the horror genre, whose audience skews heavily towards young, lonely, horny male. But just mostly due to the fact that your predictions are ALWAYS WRONG.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 8:33 AM
comment #78
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
"Anyway, let's take up a collection to send LexG to film school."
I'll pitch in. My only request is that the first 5 years of my donations would have to go strictly towards a highly-trained psychiatrist.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 8:35 AM
comment #79
George Prager
says ...
"I cannot dismiss Jennifer's Body," LexG has written. "It is a real film. It will remain in my mind. The Fox has reached me and shaken me. It is up to me to decide what that means...
Posted by George Prager
at September 11, 2009 8:50 AM
comment #80
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
I think we all know what that means.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 8:52 AM
comment #81
BurmaShave
says ...
"Seeing Mila Kunis in a bunch of tight outfits in Extract made me forget about Fox. I think my problem with the latter actress is, like Alba, she's trying too hard to look and sound like a pseudo-slut, but doesn't have the sensuality to seal the deal. In other words, she's a little too "obvious", and guys like myself prefer the "playing-hard-to-get" types."
Plus everything real girls do is just a rip-off of hentai.
Posted by BurmaShave
at September 11, 2009 9:07 AM
comment #82
Ghost072
says ...
Juno was a fun, enjoyable movie...nothing more, nothing less. I agree with Travis that the hate is inexplicable. LexG is a raging misogynist who, for all his ravings about semi-talented actresses he'd like to bang, doesn't even really like women - certainly not as much as he hates himself. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe a sliver of that mentality is where the some of the hate for Juno comes from...
Posted by Ghost072
at September 11, 2009 9:11 AM
comment #83
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
Burma in with the comment of the day!
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 9:13 AM
comment #84
RSBrown
says ...
Diablo Cody wrote a shitty script?
Noooo--Really?
Posted by RSBrown
at September 11, 2009 9:23 AM
comment #85
pchu
says ...
Watched it last night, it wasn't bad for the genre it's representing. Some of the dialogue is a bit annoying, but it's not as offensive or bad as you say Jeff. I will say this though, you don't feel the presence of Karyn Kusama who made Girlfight in this film. It's like she is just doing another job.
Posted by pchu
at September 11, 2009 9:28 AM
comment #86
jasctt
says ...
Alternative female horror film: INSIDE.
Posted by jasctt
at September 11, 2009 9:40 AM
comment #87
Gabriel
says ...
Jeff's next post can't arrive (and knock this thread from the top of HE home) soon enough.
Posted by Gabriel
at September 11, 2009 9:42 AM
comment #88
Floyd Thursby
says ...
"It's like if Slappy White looked directly into a fish-eye lens and muttered some babytalk nonsense like 'zoinky-pooky-poo' for 91 minutes while smacking his lips."
Where's my time machine when I need it? Andy, meet Slappy. Slappy, meet Andy.
Posted by Floyd Thursby
at September 11, 2009 10:06 AM
comment #89
Josh Tate
says ...
Considering Jason Reitman made the excellent Thank You For Smoking and the apparently excellent Up in the Air, I think he deserves more credit for Juno's success than Diablo's cloying script.
Posted by Josh Tate
at September 11, 2009 10:17 AM
comment #90
Alboone
says ...
That's fine and dandy pchu, but is it scary, is it 'Basic Instinct' sexy? Did you jump, did you feel tense while watching it?
Posted by Alboone
at September 11, 2009 10:17 AM
comment #91
The Winchester
says ...
All horror movies should strive for "Basic Instinct" sexy.
Posted by The Winchester
at September 11, 2009 10:26 AM
comment #92
pchu
says ...
It's not scray, but then again this genre (teenage horror) never really scares me (and I watched this after watching AntiChrist, so everything is tame in comparison). It's amusing at times, there are some sexy scenes, some annoying dialogue. I have a good time watching the movie, but doesn't have a lot of substance.
Posted by pchu
at September 11, 2009 10:27 AM
comment #93
Travis Crabtree
says ...
It's fun to bag on it now, but I remember seeing "Basic Instinct" when it came out, and that movie was sexy as hell. I specifically remember at the night club when Sharon's dirty dancing with her sometimes-girlfriend Roxy.
And how many people, if asked, would've told you that Reitman directed "Juno"? ("I though Diablo directed it?")
Since Reitman is "cool" now, (what with "Up in the Air"), I look forward to several comments along the lines of "hey, I never said 'Juno' was poorly directed....it's directed just fine.... it's that script and whatever else Diablo Cody did that sucks worse than any movie ever made!"
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 11, 2009 10:33 AM
comment #94
lazarus
says ...
I found Thank You For Smoking to have a much more interesting visual approach than Juno. I imagine Reitman's main contribution to the latter was actually getting decent performances out of the people who had to speak that contrived tripe that was the dialogue. He probably didn't have time to think about anything else.
Posted by lazarus
at September 11, 2009 10:46 AM
comment #95
KC
says ...
Juno looks like a sitcom and its OST sounds like a diaper
Posted by KC
at September 11, 2009 10:46 AM
comment #96
KC
says ...
Great cast, though
Posted by KC
at September 11, 2009 10:46 AM
comment #97
Travis Crabtree
says ...
thanks, lazarus!
Posted by Travis Crabtree
at September 11, 2009 10:47 AM
comment #98
Tom Reagan
says ...
Juno was a sweet little film that got massively hyped out of all proportions and won an undeserved screenplay Oscar. Diablo Cody's script was alright, and she wrote some funny lines, but unfortunately each and every character talked the way Juno did, which shouldn't have happened. When Jennifer's Body comes out, I predict that several critics who praised Juno will recant their raves and diss Diablo big time. It looks like a horrible, trashy film, and I actually want to see it--just so I can see how horrible and trashy it is for myself.
By the way, I bet money that in ten years, Megan Fox will not be hot. She may be good looking now, but she's more "stripper hot" than anything else. Mark me: her good looks will not last.
Posted by Tom Reagan
at September 11, 2009 11:10 AM
comment #99
York "Budd" Durden
says ...
I hope Wells didn't leave his laptop sitting on a cafe table whilst going for a whizz. We need TIFF reports.
Posted by York "Budd" Durden
at September 11, 2009 11:11 AM
comment #100
Josh Tate
says ...
Basic Instinct had (and still has) a fantastic score.
Posted by Josh Tate
at September 11, 2009 11:20 AM
comment #101
The Winchester
says ...
So does Cherry 2000. Doesn't make it a good film.
Posted by The Winchester
at September 11, 2009 11:24 AM
comment #102
DavidF
says ...
The secret to getting 100+ comments?
"Tits"
Posted by DavidF
at September 11, 2009 11:28 AM
comment #103
Terry McCarty
says ...
Saw Ms. Kusama's AEON FLUX on a tiny screen on a flight to South Carolina years ago. Wasn't too impressed, but will check out GIRLFIGHT sometime to see if the Lee Tamahori comparison of BoshBarnet is correct.
Posted by Terry McCarty
at September 11, 2009 11:37 AM
comment #104
corey3rd
says ...
basic instinct was sold on snatch.
Posted by corey3rd
at September 11, 2009 11:45 AM
comment #105
Terry McCarty
says ...
George Prager wrote:
Anyway, let's take up a collection to send LexG to film school.
If that happens, he'll probably want to remake FASTER PUSSYCAT! KILL! KILL! with Fox playing the Tura Satana role.
Posted by Terry McCarty
at September 11, 2009 11:46 AM
comment #106
Terry McCarty
says ...
Tom Reagan wrote:
By the way, I bet money that in ten years, Megan Fox will not be hot. She may be good looking now, but she's more "stripper hot" than anything else. Mark me: her good looks will not last.
So you're saying that she'll turn into Pamela Anderson?
Posted by Terry McCarty
at September 11, 2009 11:51 AM
comment #107
LexG
says ...
I already have a degree in Film Studies.
Posted by LexG
at September 11, 2009 12:02 PM
comment #108
George Prager
says ...
Only a woman who is jealous of Megan Fox's looks would want Megan Fox to lose her hotness.
Posted by George Prager
at September 11, 2009 12:10 PM
comment #109
drbob
says ...
I cannot believe that this topic generated 108 comments. Now . . . .109.
Posted by drbob
at September 11, 2009 12:50 PM
comment #110
Nick X
says ...
I saw Jennifer's Body this morning. And... I liked it. It's bad/incompetent in some ways, but it's also really, really fun. A trash-horror classic. I can totally see hating it, as Jeff did... but I can't deny I had a great time.
Posted by Nick X
at September 11, 2009 1:03 PM
comment #111
DeeZee
says ...
corey: By Alba non-CG standards, Good Luck Chuck was a big hit.
"Anyone really going to take their potential new lover to see Jennifer's Body?"
You never know. It's sorta being marketed as a "chick" flick.
Kane: I thought the only investments were in distribution, not production. And Megan Fox was supposed to be a draw in that Simon Pegg movie, but look what happened there.
Burma: Nope. I just have a thing for chicks who know how to use their figures, and Fox seems Kelly Bundy-like in her cluelessness in that area-like she just discovered how to play dress-up a few years ago. Even that recent women's magazine cover she's on makes her look amateur by comparison to other women in her age group.
Josh: I think Lifetime deserves credit for coming up with the same paper-thin idea before Reitman and Cody.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 5:45 PM
comment #112
dangovich
says ...
It's fun to bag on it now, but I remember seeing "Basic Instinct" when it came out, and that movie was sexy as hell.
It was, at least until Michael Douglas' ass made an unwelcome appearance.
Posted by dangovich
at September 11, 2009 7:05 PM
comment #113
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
"I thought the only investments were in distribution, not production."
If so, all the more reason why this shouldn't affect whether or not a film such as IB is a "hit" with audiences. You may be right actually about the distribution, I just don't have any motivation to go look up how heavily a studio is invested in distributing a film. I have zero interest in it.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at September 11, 2009 7:54 PM
comment #114
cinefan
says ...
"By Alba non-CG standards, Good Luck Chuck was a big hit."
D.Z. once again outdone himself in his display of idiocy: the film's budget was 25 million (not including advertising) and it made 34 million at the box office. Word of advice: you might want to remove your head from your butt from time to time to allow some oxygen to get to the brain.
Posted by cinefan
at September 11, 2009 8:29 PM
comment #115
DeeZee
says ...
dangovich: You just reminded me of a certain scene from Orgazmo.
cinefan: It made double that budget world-wide, though, which was probably better than expected, considering that movie with her in a bikini bombed.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 8:40 PM
comment #116
Jonah
says ...
DZ logic
A Jessica Alba film that is long forgotten made (according to him, and he's lied before, but I'm not going to look it up) double its budget world wide.
This is a hit, in his book. Of course, he leaves out P + A because it's not convenient for him to include it this time.
IB has more than doubled it's budget world wide, will probably triple it, but it's not a hit. Because DZ doesn't like Quentin Tarantino.
This is DZ's logic.
Posted by Jonah
at September 11, 2009 9:38 PM
comment #117
DeeZee
says ...
Jonah: Even with P+A, 'Chuck is probably low-budget enough to be lucrative, while IB is pricey enough to actually end up making less than one "volume" of Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction, even with the larger audience.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 11, 2009 9:59 PM
comment #118
Wiggumx
says ...
"Good Luck Chuck" made $59,192,128 worldwide. So, it had an estimated $25 mil budget, and then had P & A. That's 2.4 times it's budget.
"Inglourious Basterds" has made $181,621,857 on an estimated $70 mil budget, and it's still making money. That's 2.6 times it's budget.
How is "Good Luck Chuck" a hit but "Inglorious Basterds" is not?
Posted by Wiggumx
at September 11, 2009 10:43 PM
comment #119
Jonah
says ...
DZ,
Chuck has made about 10-20 million more than it's budget and p+a.
IB has made about 90 million more than it's budget and p+a.
If I were a producer, I'd rather have my name on IB. No question.
I don't doubt you feel differently, but you're an idiot.
Posted by Jonah
at September 11, 2009 10:57 PM
comment #120
DeeZee
says ...
Jonah: Considering the studio expectations for IB were probably higher than for that of GLC, and considering that it was only profitable through WW sales, I'd say IB was a bit more of a disappointment. I mean, IB's already lost ground in that market to the fourth movie in a second-tier horror series, just because the latter is in 3-d. Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill had a lot more stamina than that. Yeah, IB might get some Oscar nods, but it'll long be forgotten by then, because it's another remake/homage, and thus can't stand on its own without being compared to other war flicks. Once again, QT is "over".
Posted by DeeZee
at September 12, 2009 1:09 PM
comment #121
Jonah
says ...
"Considering the studio expectations for IB were probably higher than for that of GLC, and considering that it was only profitable through WW sales, I'd say IB was a bit more of a disappointment. "
Why would they have high expectations for a film that , in your own words, most everybody thought was going to fail?
10 million profit versus 90 milion plus (and still going) profit. I'm not a math genius but I know which one I would take.
"Yeah, IB might get some Oscar nods, but it'll long be forgotten by then"
Uh, I think the Oscar nods will make it fresh in everybody's memory.
," because it's another remake/homage, and thus can't stand on its own without being compared to other war flicks."
It's neither a remake, nor an homage.
"Once again, QT is "over". "
All evidence, facts, informed opinions to the contrary.
By the way, I noticed you never responded in the other thread.
Just to remind you, you said that the studio wanted to hide that this was a QT film.
I responded with the following:
QT's name was in the trailer (you haven't seen war until you've seen it through the eyes of Quentin Tarantino)
He was on Conan (looked it up), Letterman, Kimmel, and Charlie Rose.
And he had a big article in, I believe, GQ.
They did a pretty shitty job of hiding his involvement.
Posted by Jonah
at September 12, 2009 1:57 PM
comment #122
DeeZee
says ...
Jonah: I said everyone as in outside analysts, not the people who actually pay for these projects. But I'm guessing that internationally, Weinco and Uni were at least expecting to break even and maybe even score the biggest revenue, since Pitt was enough to sell Troy overseas. And again, it's $50 million split profit, with, as Finke speculated, major pay-days for Pitt and QT. So at best, it's what? Twenty million in profit for another vanity project? Looks good on paper until you actually realize all the holes it has to plug up to keep both companies going for the rest of the year.
"Uh, I think the Oscar nods will make it fresh in everybody's memory. "
The same Oscars no one watches anymore to the point that they have to make it look like it's not rigged?
"It's neither a remake, nor an homage. "
Just keep telling yourself that, man.
"All evidence, facts, informed opinions to the contrary. "
The facts point to the need for a name actor to sell a niche flick which would have probably done a lot better with a no-name five years ago when QT was still relevant. And it's a niche flick which he has to pretend is action-oriented, when he didn't have to do that with Jackie Brown.
"QT's name was in the trailer (you haven't seen war until you've seen it through the eyes of Quentin Tarantino)
He was on Conan (looked it up), Letterman, Kimmel, and Charlie Rose.
And he had a big article in, I believe, GQ."
Magazine sales are on the decline, and Kimmel and Charlie Rose don't appeal to the demos needed to sell a movie like IB. Conan and Letterman probably did help, but those shows still revolved in some way around Pitt. Would not happen in the old days. And as you yourself said, QT's name was near the middle of the trailer, not the beginning.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 12, 2009 8:26 PM
comment #123
dontlookback
says ...
It's amazing how DeeZee's presence can turn one of the better movie news sites into one of the absolute worst upon closer inspection. Is there a way for me to block his posts, if only from my own view? I honestly have never seen someone who knows less about a topic spend more time proving this to be true. It's really an unpleasant, unbearable thing. Jeff, I'm begging you (and even in doing this I know I run the risk of being banned myself)...
Posted by dontlookback
at September 12, 2009 8:42 PM
comment #124
Jonah
says ...
"I said everyone as in outside analysts, not the people who actually pay for these projects. "
No, you said everyone except for a couple of HE readers, including me.
The rest of your first paragraph wasn't relevant, so I won't respond to any of that.
"The same Oscars no one watches anymore to the point that they have to make it look like it's not rigged? "
People still watch the show, and hear about it. If popular movies get nominated more people will watch. IB is a popular movie.
"It's neither a remake, nor an homage. "
Just keep telling yourself that, man."
Until you PROVE otherwise.
"The facts point to the need for a name actor to sell a niche flick which would have probably done a lot better with a no-name five years ago when QT was still relevant. And it's a niche flick which he has to pretend is action-oriented, when he didn't have to do that with Jackie Brown. "
Spielberg casts Tom Cruise for a reason. Because he helps with box office. If movie stars weren't needed to help sell a film, they wouldn't get paid 20 million dollars.
I don't even think you understand what niche means.
"Magazine sales are on the decline"
Doesn't matter. Not relevant. If they wanted him hidden, they wouldn't have let him do the interview.
", and Kimmel and Charlie Rose don't appeal to the demos needed to sell a movie like IB."
I disagree.
" Conan and Letterman probably did help, but those shows still revolved in some way around Pitt. "
First of all, we aren't talking about whether or not the appearances helped. We're talking about how you said the studios wanted to hide QT's involvement.
Second, how did they revolve around Pitt? Give me specific details to prove you aren't lying.
" And as you yourself said, QT's name was near the middle of the trailer, not the beginning. "
That means nothing. It wasn't even in the middle, it was closer to the beginning.
But either way, are audiences unable to see his name if it's closer to the middle than the beginning? Nope. Again, the studio wanted you to know this was a QT film. The audience knew it. And they made the film a hit.
You're losing badly, son.
Posted by Jonah
at September 12, 2009 9:02 PM
comment #125
DeeZee
says ...
Jonah: "No, you said everyone except for a couple of HE readers, including me."
Well, the way Harvey was going about it, he definitely didn't seem phased, so I guess he's also excluded.
"If popular movies get nominated more people will watch."
Except IB isn't popular. It's already been forgotten two weeks later like that PG-13 war movie. They were milkin' Kill Bill two years later with the use of that Battle w/o Honor + Humanity song in a car commercial.
"Until you PROVE otherwise. "
The guy called it a Dirty Dozen-type flick and makes allusions to actors and genres of that era.
"Spielberg casts Tom Cruise for a reason. Because he helps with box office. If movie stars weren't needed to help sell a film, they wouldn't get paid 20 million dollars."
But you're basically supporting my argument, then-that Spielberg and QT don't have the same name-power which might have been the case in the past.
"I don't even think you understand what niche means. "
Huh? You mean people actually flock to WW2 movies which don't revolve around Matt Damon or a love triangle? News to me.
"If they wanted him hidden, they wouldn't have let him do the interview."
They let him do the interview, because no one pays for magazines anymore, anyway.
"I disagree."
Please. Kimmel's the guy people watch when there's no one good on the Tonight Show and Letterman. And Charlie Rose is for people who watch PBS in general; and we all know that American Idol crap is likely to get more views.
"Second, how did they revolve around Pitt? Give me specific details to prove you aren't lying. "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFd2KJd5z8
From http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=conan+o%27brien+Tarantino&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=ee36edbd3c16a1c5 part I:
"Quentin talks about getting Brad Pitt to do his movie, and visiting a Tarantino bar!"
"It wasn't even in the middle, it was closer to the beginning. "
That's not what you were saying earlier. Which is it? I can play that same game, too.
"Again, the studio wanted you to know this was a QT film. The audience knew it. And they made the film a hit."
The studio wanted to let you know it was a war film from QT, as opposed to a QT film. There is a difference. And the audience made the film a hit, because they heard those tea-baggers use nazi analogies to Obama; and they either agreed, or didn't know shit about their history, and used the flick as a "Cliff notes" reference. But, again, if you're going to say that QT made a difference, then his name should've saved Grindhouse.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 13, 2009 1:34 AM
comment #126
Jonah
says ...
"Well, the way Harvey was going about it, he definitely didn't seem phased, so I guess he's also excluded. "
This isn't even relevant.
"Except IB isn't popular. It's already been forgotten two weeks later like that PG-13 war movie. They were milkin' Kill Bill two years later with the use of that Battle w/o Honor + Humanity song in a car commercial."
It's popular. And quit doing shit like " that PG-13 war movie". It's not clever. It's annoying. And IB is popular.
"The guy called it a Dirty Dozen-type flick and makes allusions to actors and genres of that era. "
Yeah, it's not an homage or a remake.
"But you're basically supporting my argument, then-that Spielberg and QT don't have the same name-power which might have been the case in the past. "
Actually I'm not. Of course Pitt helps the movie. But not enough to make it a hit. How many 100 million dollar hits has Pitt had where he was the main actor? Only a couple.
"Huh? You mean people actually flock to WW2 movies which don't revolve around Matt Damon or a love triangle? News to me. "
Matt Damon? You really don't understand what niche means.
"They let him do the interview, because no one pays for magazines anymore, anyway."
Prove that's why they let him do it. PROVE it.
""Please. Kimmel's the guy people watch when there's no one good on the Tonight Show and Letterman. And Charlie Rose is for people who watch PBS in general; and we all know that American Idol crap is likely to get more views."
Kimmel is on later than either of those shows. It's strange that so many major filmmakers go on Charlie Rose if it doesn't help the movies. Seems like a waste of time.
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFd2KJd5z8
From http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=conan+o%27brien+Tarantino&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=ee36edbd3c16a1c5 part I: "
I'm not going to watch those. YOU tell me how they revolved around Pitt. If they simply talked about Pitt for a minute, that's not enough.
"That's not what you were saying earlier. Which is it? I can play that same game, too."
you do that all the time.
"The studio wanted to let you know it was a war film from QT, "
Thank you. So you admit I'm right.
"But, again, if you're going to say that QT made a difference, then his name should've saved Grindhouse. "
No. No matter who you are, or how popular you are, not every movie will be a hit. Adam Sandler is usually extremely popular but even he has his duds.
The fact that you don't understand things like this is not surprising at all.
Thank you for admitting I was right.
Posted by Jonah
at September 13, 2009 1:47 AM
comment #127
JimH
says ...
All you Juno haters:
Juno made $231,411,584 worldwide on repeat viewings. Had a rating of B+ on Box Office Mojo.
You would seem to be a tiny vocal minority who get off on being outsider critics. I feel sorry for you.
Posted by JimH
at September 13, 2009 12:31 PM
comment #128
DeeZee
says ...
Jonah: "Of course Pitt helps the movie. But not enough to make it a hit. How many 100 million dollar hits has Pitt had where he was the main actor?"
Enough to make a difference.
"And IB is popular."
It's so popular that people already moved on to 9.
"Yeah, it's not an homage or a remake. "
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Quentin+Tarantino+basterds+homage&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=ee36edbd3c16a1c5
"Prove that's why they let him do it. PROVE it."
You think they'd let a guy with that ugly a mug do a cover on GQ in the past? Hell, no. But sales are so bad across the board that they'll slip anyone in there, even if it means movie geeks who normally avoid that shit precisely because of how the handsome male celebrities make them feel as inadequate as attractive women celebrities on women's mags do to female readers. Under different circumstances, it'd definitely be Pitt, and not QT, on there.
"Matt Damon? You really don't understand what niche means. "
I do know IB is as niche as Thin Red Line.
"It's strange that so many major filmmakers go on Charlie Rose if it doesn't help the movies. Seems like a waste of time. "
It probably is a waste of time, but they're not doing it for the exposure. They're doing it to discuss the stuff they probably would have to keep short on network tv.
"If they simply talked about Pitt for a minute, that's not enough."
They talked about him for at least two minutes on Dave.
"So you admit I'm right."
No, I emphasized war film, not QT.
"No matter who you are, or how popular you are, not every movie will be a hit. Adam Sandler is usually extremely popular but even he has his duds."
Yes, but Sandler movies usually flop when they're different from his usual shit, while Death Proof was typical QT.
Jim: Emmerich movies make that kind of money, too.
Posted by DeeZee
at September 13, 2009 1:19 PM
comment #129
Jonah
says ...
"Enough to make a difference."
Nope.
"It's so popular that people already moved on to 9."
People always move on. IB is still popular.
"You think they'd let a guy with that ugly a mug do a cover on GQ in the past? Hell, no. But sales are so bad across the board that they'll slip anyone in there, even if it means movie geeks who normally avoid that shit precisely because of how the handsome male celebrities make them feel as inadequate as attractive women celebrities on women's mags do to female readers. Under different circumstances, it'd definitely be Pitt, and not QT, on there. "
No. I said prove it. You didn't prove it.
"I do know IB is as niche as Thin Red Line. "
Neither one is niche.
"It probably is a waste of time, but they're not doing it for the exposure. They're doing it to discuss the stuff they probably would have to keep short on network tv."
Prove it.
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She is chosen as the sexiest woman in the world again this year. I hope there were fresh celebrities, with fresh face and talents, lol.. But it's fine. Ocala Divorce law
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at November 27, 2009 1:33 AM
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Very Preety lady no doubt, she should show more modesty I think
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Megan Fox is so sexy and hot. I like her actions too, especially in the last version of Transformer. Good luck! Salehoo
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MayMay
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It is time for her to be more low profile. I don't like Megan Fox. Anyway, I heard about her causing chaos in big Hotels in the country, are they true?
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Megan Fox wasnt so beautiful before her facial plastic surgery!
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Megan Fox is just like the standard celebrity who imposes mostly on physical appearance. I don;t think she has something special to be proud of.
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who is showing her tits? lol
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That is her! Well, I actually like watching her acts in Transformers. But not that much anymore. You just soon get bored of this hot woman
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at December 8, 2009 8:26 PM
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at December 9, 2009 10:41 PM
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I hope Wells didn't leave his laptop sitting on a cafe table whilst going for a whizz. We need TIFF reports.
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JENNIFER'S BODY sounds a hell of a lot more realistic than JUNO.
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All horror movies should strive for "Basic Instinct" sexy. lol! cheers!!!!
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at December 13, 2009 11:00 PM
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Megan Fox is one of my favorite. It is fine when you see she is hot, sexy, or whatever, but I think her acting is great.
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at December 14, 2009 7:42 AM
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I think Megan Fox is one of the celebrities that exploit sex more than talent. If you are a fan or if you are one of the voters for "The Sexiest Woman in the World" nomination, it's fine. This is just my personal opinion. Or maybe because I am not a male to realize her passion.
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That is her! Well, I actually like watching her acts in Transformers. But not that much anymore. You just soon get bored of this hot woman
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at December 19, 2009 4:22 AM
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Online
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Megan Fox is just like other celebrities. I agree that she is beautiful and hot. But there is nothing special to remember from her.
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I watched her movies, all the movies, lol.. She is always that great and engaging. Good luck for the career...! auto extended warranty
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at December 19, 2009 7:14 PM
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Only a woman who is jealous of Megan Fox's looks would want Megan Fox to lose her hotness.
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at December 20, 2009 9:14 PM
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She again! I think I have been bored hearing her names, lol.. You know what of attribute that supports her popularity. Baby Shower Invitations
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at December 21, 2009 7:56 AM
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badpete
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Just saw the midnight screening at TIFF, and what an awful movie. Aside from the occasional diablo Cody line, there's nothing redeeming in this, except maybe the girls kissing.
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at December 21, 2009 9:36 AM
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at December 21, 2009 10:52 PM
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I don;t know what is wrong with Megan Fox and many other celebrities. They are just too explosive for a public figure. Ir they dun care at all? Fort Lauderdale Website Design
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at December 27, 2009 5:27 PM
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comment #181
badpete
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It's fun to bag on it now, but I remember seeing "Basic Instinct" when it came out, and that movie was sexy as hell. I specifically remember at the night club when Sharon's dirty dancing with her sometimes-girlfriend Roxy.
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Well, she is just to cheap. That is not a kind of face who can go popular without exposing sex. We all have seen this in years. Yet men love her!
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She deserves all the popularity though, especially after the sensational things she has been doing. Good luck!
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