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MTV News' Josh Horowitz going through the usual paces with Couples Retreat costars Malin Akerman and Vince Vaughn. But if you want a moderately serious, honest, semi-fascinating and straight-up honest take on Universal's Bora Bora junket, read this piece by MSN Movies' James Rocchi. You know what...? I'm just going to paste the whole thing below.
Sun, Surf and Celebrity in Bora Bora
Our writer heads to French Polynesia to talk to the stars of 'Couples Retreat'
By James Rocchi
Special to MSN Movies
"It is hard (if not impossible) to deal with the internal ethical, intellectual and professional contradictions you feel when you step onto a beach in French Polynesia contemplating how you're there on a studio's dime to conduct interviews with the stars of a movie you know, deep in your heart, that you're going to give a mixed review. The great film critic Pauline Kael said there are two kinds of writing about movies: a good, honest review; and everything else, which is just publicity.
"And if you write and do interviews, set visits or other things that aren't under the umbrella of good, honest reviews (and these days, if you're lucky, reviews are just one part of your paycheck as a freelance film critic and journalist), then why not do them well, and with courtesy, and, in this case, for the upcoming Universal release "Couples Retreat," in the Polynesian beauty of Bora Bora?
"The logic, for Universal Pictures, must have gone something like this: 'We just made a comedy in one of the most beautiful places on earth. Why not do the press where we shot it, instead of in front of some fake palm fronds at the Beverly Hills Four Seasons?' This is excellent reasoning (although I hope Paramount doesn't apply it for its upcoming Shutter Island), and so, I (along with regional and network-level entertainment reporters from TV stations, networks and online outlets all over North America) was invited to Bora Bora to have some fun and, yes, work in the sun.
"It also should be said that there are plenty of things Couples Retreat gets right: From Jason Bateman and Kristen Bell's relationship to how there are jokes about marriage in it but that none of the marriages in it are jokes.
"And sure, yes, why not talk about these things with its stars on a fine-grained white-sand shore? I have friends who've attended festivals on that festival's dime (as have I). Press accreditation as a critic means you see movies for free that the average moviegoer pays $12 a pop. And it also means you have to see films involving fat suits or talking animals or sexy assassins or Rob Schneider in ethnic garb. It's already a complicated, privileged job. Going to Bora Bora is just one more cool, complicated privilege.
"And bear in mind that, even when you're not in Bora Bora, interviewing famous people always involves a level of social and professional anxiety anyhow, as you wait for an hour to spend five minutes as calmly and as casually as you can under lights so bright they make you blink like a cartoon owl, talking to handsome leading men and elegant starlets so movie-star perfect and effortlessly charismatic that every body image issue or hesitant worry about your conversational skills you've ever had in your life swirls behind your eyes like a dark tornado.
"I have simple, uptight rules for how I deal with the social-professional awkwardness of on-camera interviews: You shake hands. You ask about the movie they're there for, not their hypothetical or rumored upcoming next film. You call people 'Mr.' and 'Ms.' and you use their last names, because they're not your friends, and at the end you thank them for their time and courtesy. And the interview is not the place for your review, and vice-versa. These may all sound like rationalizations, and they are, but to quote Jeff Goldblum in The Big Chill (playing, it should be noted, a journalist covering the world of celebrity): 'I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations...ever gone a week without a rationalization?'
"And asking people polite, enthusiastic questions about a movie you're mixed on isn't any more or less hypocritical than, say, oohing and aahing over a picture of an ugly baby, or raising your glass at a wedding reception for a couple you don't think is going to make it in the long haul. As a professional, you tell yourself you can talk to people passionately, intelligently and politely about any film under any circumstances. The only difference with doing it in Bora Bora was doing it under a thick layer of SPF 70 sunblock, applied not only to protect my delicate, raised-in-Canada pallor but also because I suspect no one trusts a tan film critic, much as no one would trust a clean coal miner, as it clearly suggests you're not spending enough time on the job.
"Bora Bora is near Tahiti; I tried to use Google Maps to get a sense of the exact distance between Los Angeles and it, but my computer just made a grinding noise when I did so. Essentially, Bora Bora is almost twice as far away as Hawaii, and at least a million times more French. While Polynesians settled it in about the fourth century, the French formally made it a protectorate in 1842.
"Getting to the St. Regis resort, which was the main filming location for Couples Retreat, took a nine-hour flight to Papeete airport, then another prop plane flight, then a boat ride from the big island to the resort. This, I mused, is not an itinerary; it's a dream date with Carmen Sandiego. This was also interrupted by being taken off the small intermediate prop plane because of 'mechanical problems.'
"In the waiting area, Vince Vaughn waved his arms grandiosely and joked: 'It's a surprise -- we're not going to Bora Bora; we're going to Gary, Indiana.' I merely thought about how it would probably stink to pull a Buddy Holly on a plane ride with Vince Vaughn, Faizon Love and Jason Bateman, which would no doubt be enshrined in some horrible YouTube clip as The Day the Laughter Died for years to come, if Don McLean's lawyers didn't quash it immediately.
"And, yeah, there are dangers in paradise even without getting on a small prop plane. The St. Regis resort features beautiful villas on piers over the water (you can see them in Couples Retreat, which, as this article and Universal Pictures would like to remind you, is coming to theaters Oct. 9), which means you can dive off your porch into clear, azure, warm water.
"It also means that you can be awoken, as I was one morning, by the 50-kilometer-an-hour winds and the waves they propel, making the whole villa shake, shudder and sway. And paradise is, in many ways, troubled: Tahiti's only real manufacturing is pearls and panoramas, not petrol, paper products or plastics, so you're walking around in flip-flops but your ecological footprint has steel-toed boots on. Almost everything you touched or ate had to cross water somehow, and it's hard not to think of that.
"Aware of this, to be sure, the local government provided each room with a flyer on Bora Bora's sustainable development practices, which contained enough good news to make you forget it, too, had come on a boat or a plane. And there's a also a noble tradition of people going to Polynesia and going a little nuts, from Gauguin to Fletcher Christian to the guy who played Fletcher Christian, Marlon Brando. The only thing that edged me toward madness was Radio Bora Bora (or, as the announcers said it, "Rrrrradio Bora Boraaaaaa"), the local Euro-dance station with a six-song playlist I nonetheless couldn't turn off, even with its affection for the oonst, oonst Cascada version of Bruce Springsteen's 'Because the Night' and O'Neal McKnight's 'Champagne Red Light,' a rap song about the urban club experience, played every hour, ironically, for a radio audience at least 2,000 miles from the nearest urban club.
"The junket was a fairly unusual mix of activities and interviews; it's hard to not feel odd when your schedule reads "Interview Vince Vaughn and Malin Akerman. Interview Jason Bateman and Kristen Bell. Interview Ralphie from A Christmas Story. (Well, the itinerary didn't say that about the interview with director Peter Billingsley, but it might as well have.) Oh, and 'Feed Stingrays.;
"The stingray feeding was one of several activities, along with shark-watching and a picnic trip to Moto Tapu (literally 'Taboo Island'), which used to be the private property of the Queen of Tahiti. And the shark-watching was fascinating; you're in the water when the boat guide dispenses chum Richard Dreyfuss-style and then come tiny fish and then come 2-to-3-foot-long lemon sharks and you giggle and gulp. And then you look down to the bottom, through clear tropical waters, to see three lemon sharks the length of a four-door sedan swimming about to look into the hubbub. This, as was said of the prospect of hanging, wonderfully concentrates the mind: I immediately wanted a great meal and a make-out session, which I think was my brain's way of saying I didn't want to die. Then I got out of the water, as, really, 10-foot sharks don't wander into my home to throw food in my direction, and I'd like to keep that level of courtesy reciprocal.
"These opportunities are so that TV reporters can have brief, colorful bits they can make part of their pieces. My working for an online outlet, where brevity is the not only the soul of wit, but also the savior of bandwidth, means it's unlikely they'll make it into the final piece. Still, why not go? Swimming with the stingrays was unusual to say the least. As they hustled and bumped over to say 'hi' and occasionally eat the offered fish, I told myself that their attentions were kind of like the nudging, gentle curiosity of my cat, if my cat were a scary, cartilaginous, 4-foot-wide leathery shape with a hungry, gummy mouth, dead, glassy eyes and a wicked-looking tail. Again, someone asks you: Stingray feeding, how can one say no? The rays get fed, and you get a unique experience. Some of you may already have extrapolated this principle out to my entire trip, as have I.
"And the trip ended Monday with a ride in an open-sided pontoon boat back to the airport through a torrential rain. A few hours after we left on Monday, a tsunami struck Samoa and killed more than a hundred people, causing property damage and, thankfully, no injuries in Tahiti. We got the first licks of it, and while it's poetical to suggest that it's not really an Eden until you're driven from it by the wrath of an angry God, the fact is that it was just the luck of the draw. A few days earlier and Universal's publicity weekend could have been a soaked-out mishap instead of what looked like a success.
"And Vaughn bubbled with excitement. And Bateman's wit stayed mordantly dry in the tropical heat. And Love (who clearly knows how to live) enjoyed sips of something amber between his interviews. Akerman and I filled those awkward, let-me-undo-my-mike-and-go moments after the interview with talk of Canada; I got to ask Kristin Davis and Jon Favreau, in a pop-culture perfect storm moment, which was the more outlandish fantasy about amazing outfits and obscene wealth: Sex and the City or Iron Man?
"And then I flew back to Los Angeles to write my actual review, with the hint of a sunburn and beach sand in the cuffs of the dress pants I wore for my on-camera interviews. It's normally a weird job, and this time around, it was a little (but not too much) weirder, a brief blast of sun and strangeness proving that these days, Hollywood is everywhere."
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on October 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
comment #1
G.N.A.
says ...
Wasn't Shutter Island supposed to open this weekend? Too bad they bumped it since this is the only new movie coming out and I have zero desire to see it.
Posted by G.N.A.
at October 6, 2009 8:35 PM
comment #2
scooterzz
says ...
have you actually seen this?.....there is no reason in the world not to wait for the dvd.....seriously, seeing this in a theater (if you have to pay for a ticket) is just a waste........just my opinion but i'd sure be interested in hearing an argument for big screen viewing.....
Posted by scooterzz
at October 6, 2009 10:03 PM
comment #3
Scriptshadow
says ...
These guys seem to have skipped past the "Let's do things that inspire us" stage and moved onto the "Let's do stuff that's comfortable and where we'll all have fun together" stage, which basically puts them first and the audience second. I'm sure they'd argue differently, but it's hard to argue against from an objective point of view. I'm sad Vaughn and Favreau have ditched auteur for popcorn. Swingers is one of my favorite films ever.
Posted by Scriptshadow
at October 6, 2009 10:24 PM
comment #4
BurmaShave
says ...
G.N.A., this is the weekend A SERIOUS MAN opens for a lot of us, and frankly I'm glad to not have to make the choice.
Posted by BurmaShave
at October 6, 2009 10:27 PM
comment #5
Phatang!
says ...
This is one of the most uncomfortable videos I've ever watched. And yet if it had been seven hours long I don't think I could've taken my eyes off of it!
Posted by Phatang!
at October 6, 2009 10:36 PM
comment #6
LexG
says ...
AKERMAN IS HOT AS ASS, KRISTEN BELL IS HOT AS FUCK, AND YOU SHOULD BE SEEING THIS IN THEATERS.
They should install KNEELERS like in a church so you dudes can BOW to HUMAN PERFECTION in the form of K-BELL and MAL-AK.
PURE HOTNESS, these two ROMPING IN BIKINIS AND BARE FEET FOR TWO HOURS. HOT. HOTTTTT.
Does ANYONE in the film-geek blogger sphere still have a working penis? THIS IS HOT. WHAT DO YOU NOT GET?
People go to movies to see CHICKS THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH. I will be there in ROW FUCKING ONE. YEP YEP.
Posted by LexG
at October 7, 2009 12:27 AM
comment #7
LexG
says ...
Also I GUARANTEE this movie has hotter looking tang than some beige Coen brothers smarmfest.
What do you wanna see with your 10 bucks, some treatise on Yiddish mores in 1967 Minnesota....
OR TWO SMOKING HOT PIECES OF ACE IN BIKINIS ROMPING IN BLUE WATER?
I leave that up to you and your manhood.
Posted by LexG
at October 7, 2009 12:43 AM
comment #8
DeeZee
says ...
Finally, a project perfect for Uwe Boll: Showgirls 2.
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15321/-showgirls-sequel-ready-to-strip
Posted by DeeZee
at October 7, 2009 5:01 AM
comment #9
snoop
says ...
I really hate changing the topic, but have you seen this, Jeff?
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/15322/-predators-announces-its-cast
Apparently, Adrien Brody and Topher Grace are going to be in the new Predator movie. I like Predator jsut fine, but this news makes me pretty damn sad. I mean, I know Adrien Brody's had quite a few missteps since The Pianist, but I do like the offbeat charm he brought to Darjeeling Limited and heard he was decent in Cadillac Records.
If he has to do this, my hope would be that it would be almost dialouge-free like the lsst half of the original. I've been saying this for years, but Adrien Brody would have been best served if he had been an actor during the silent film era. He's got that Buster Keaton sadness thing goin, and can really make it work, which is why he's so good in The Pianist. I saw glimmers of this in Darjeeling, which is of course talky, but still.
Anyway, also a bummer about Grace. His role sounds cooler, at least, but at one point I thought this guy was going to become one of the really good young actors. He's totally stalled since the joke that was Spiderman 3.
Posted by snoop
at October 7, 2009 5:12 AM
comment #10
lbeale
says ...
Gee, nice to know we're all off topic here, and no one is dealing with the ethical issues of taking expensive studio freebiesThe only people who travel for free on these junkets are mid-American TV types and freelancers desperate for any sort of coverage. None of them truly understand. the ethical implications involved. But the MSM does, because major newspapers and magazines simply won't allow their people to take these freebies - or they'll pay for them, thereby avoiding and negative implications.
Posted by lbeale
at October 7, 2009 5:53 AM
comment #11
vansmith
says ...
Lex those women are hot but not front row theater hot, their more like Maxim babes, airbrushed wonders..
and if
Predators is in the house then i'm in the house...
Posted by vansmith
at October 7, 2009 6:22 AM
comment #12
LexG
says ...
James Rocchi is a hack writer.
I just lit that tubby douche up on Twitter and on his blog.
Posted by LexG
at October 7, 2009 6:30 AM
comment #13
Jeffrey Wells
says ...
James Rocchi is an excellent, thoughtful writer of very high integrity. And he always wears a suit and tie, which matters in the grand scheme, I feel.
Posted by Jeffrey Wells
at October 7, 2009 7:11 AM
comment #14
matt cousens
says ...
DeeZee and Tucker Lex are beyond predictable at this point.
Posted by matt cousens
at October 7, 2009 7:25 AM
comment #15
Drew McWeeny
says ...
Wow, Lex, you're really starting to hammer on some bizarre targets. Rocchi is neither douche nor hack, and shitting all over him like this is a truly unmotivated and pointless move.
Posted by Drew McWeeny
at October 7, 2009 9:24 AM
comment #16
Circumvrent
says ...
More importantly, where do I find Lex on twitter? I'd like to read ramblings like his in 140-character form.
Posted by Circumvrent
at October 7, 2009 9:39 AM
comment #17
Eloi Manning
says ...
http://twitter.com/LexG_Rules
@jamesrocchi FUCK JAMES ROCCHI, you old MIDDLE AGED FUCKING HACK, WEAK-ASS BITCH. FUCKING NOBODY, DONT DISS THE LEXMAN, OLD FUCK
Posted by Eloi Manning
at October 7, 2009 9:55 AM
comment #18
Eloi Manning
says ...
LexG's Twitter is good, but Kenny Powers' is better: http://twitter.com/kfuckingp
Posted by Eloi Manning
at October 7, 2009 9:58 AM
comment #19
Ryansi51
says ...
Oh my God LexG's twitter page burns the retinas:
"You know, one of my goals in life is to fuck a chick while wearing a Michael Myers mask. That would rule."
1:39 AM Sep 27th from web
Posted by Ryansi51
at October 7, 2009 9:58 AM
comment #20
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
"truly unmotivated and pointless move"
Have you never read 99% of what he posts here and elsewhere? It was boring when Andy Silverstein was doing it 20 years ago and it's still boring today.
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at October 7, 2009 10:32 AM
comment #21
Ryansi51
says ...
I like it best when he cries in his beer at 3am because he hates his job and can't get laid.
maybe you should start by reading your Twitter page- it's like a how-to guide for being a douchebag.
seriously, put your own dick down for one minute and try doing something constructive.
Posted by Ryansi51
at October 7, 2009 10:49 AM
comment #22
Eloi Manning
says ...
LexG is great. He's one of the most entertaining posters on here by far.
Posted by Eloi Manning
at October 7, 2009 10:57 AM
comment #23
George Prager
says ...
GayLexG says...
VAUGHN IS HOT AS ASS, CARLOS PONCE IS HOT AS FUCK, AND YOU SHOULD BE SEEING THIS IN THEATERS.
They should install KNEELERS like in a church so you dudes can BOW to HUMAN PERFECTION in the form of VINCE and C-PONCE.
PURE HOTNESS, these two ROMPING IN SPEED-Os AND BARE FEET FOR TWO HOURS. HOT. HOTTTTT.
Does ANYONE in the film-geek blogger sphere still have a working penis? THIS IS HOT. WHAT DO YOU NOT GET?
People go to movies to see DUDES THEY WANT TO SLEEP WITH. I will be there in ROW FUCKING ONE. YEP YEP.
Posted by George Prager
at October 7, 2009 11:42 AM
comment #24
BurmaShave
says ...
http://twitter.com/LexG_Rules/status/4677556933
Immortal.
Posted by BurmaShave
at October 7, 2009 11:51 AM
comment #25
mtgilchrist
says ...
incidentally, lbeale, you're off base with your condemnation of the relationship between studios and journalists. the bottom line for all journalistic ethics is personal responsibility - meaning, will you give a movie a good review or pull quote because you got to go on a trip, or will you offer your honest opinion regardless? it may sounds cynical but no matter how in-depth or interesting or honest an interview or feature is about a movie, it's all promotion and marketing for the film and for the studio, which means that if you've got a pair enough to still blast a p.o.s. because you hated it in spite of (and not because of) the fact that you got flown to wherever the hell, that's integrity. there are people who would love a movie, or do, because they saw it free and got popcorn and a soda, and if you're going to categorically dismiss any sort of studio-funded promotion opportunities as sellout circumstances for journalists, then you have to include that as well. ultimately people are going to assume you're a shill for hundreds of different reasons (reviewing a movie released by a parent company, went on the set, etc.), which means you have to decide as a professional if your personal integrity is worth more or less than the cost of some swag, benefit or trip.
Posted by mtgilchrist
at October 7, 2009 12:56 PM
comment #26
mtgilchrist
says ...
oh, and lexg, you're a worthless misogynist coward troll.
Posted by mtgilchrist
at October 7, 2009 12:57 PM
comment #27
George Prager
says ...
Some highlights:
# Signs you don't want to go to work: It's 1:28pm and you're watching KANGAROO JACK instead of taking a shower.1:29 PM Sep 8th from web
# You won't believe this: Today I was in Burbank and saw a white sadsack-motherfucker.... whose girlfriend WASN'T Asian. 1st time 4 everything1:10 AM Sep 10th from web
# Anyone ever hook up with a skank off c'LIST? If so, tell me if it was cool.3:11 AM Sep 23rd from web
# I am so lonely and depressed. I truly am miserable and alone and want someone to talk to. Oh, wait, BLUE STEEL is on; Suicide averted4:13 AM Sep 23rd from web
# @SashaGrey Someone needs to start the hype; Sasha should be on the short lists for BEST ACTRESS come Oscar time for Girlfriend Experience3:30 AM Sep 7th from web in reply to SashaGrey
# Only bad thing about hookers is you can't really GO DOWN2:52 AM Sep 6th from web
Posted by George Prager
at October 7, 2009 1:14 PM
comment #28
televisiontears
says ...
I just went down the LexG Twitter rabbit hole, and I don't think I'll ever be the same. Holy. Shit.
Posted by televisiontears
at October 7, 2009 2:07 PM
comment #29
televisiontears
says ...
I think we have a winner:
"PRECIOUS looks funny as fuck. Like, why does the fat chick keep having kids? Who's fucking her?"
Posted by televisiontears
at October 7, 2009 2:15 PM
comment #30
lbeale
says ...
mtgilchrist - most of the folks who go on these junkets give blow jobs as reviews (if they're reviewers), because they know if they're too nasty, they will not get invited. As far as the studios are concerned, it's be nice to us, because, really, we do NOT need the Fox outlet in Kansas City. I did interviews at numerous junkets in NY when I was working there, and the stuff I heard coming out of the mouths of these junketeers was unbelievable: how they upgraded to a platinum card because of their frequent flying miles going to junkets; how they liked,. or didn't, the goody bags they were given, etc., etc. Film people are not necessarily the biggest whores in the business - it's a tie between them, travel writers and food writers - but really, those who accept junkets and big trips are essentially beholden to the studios. That's the bottom line, my friend.
Posted by lbeale
at October 7, 2009 2:17 PM
comment #31
George Prager
says ...
Sheer poetry:
I haven't had a boner in two days.
Life sucks.
That dude in DISTRICT 9 is awesome,
kind of a SA Steve Carell meets Thewlis
BRAZILPRYCE12:54 AM Sep 1st from web
Posted by George Prager
at October 7, 2009 2:27 PM
comment #32
televisiontears
says ...
"I BET KEVIN CONNOLLYS FUCKING A CHICK RIGHT NOW WOOOOOOOOOO"
Posted by televisiontears
at October 7, 2009 2:35 PM
comment #33
LYT
says ...
Love this article - best Rocchi piece I've read.
That said, how come he has a Wikipedia page and they keep taking mine down?
Posted by LYT
at October 7, 2009 2:54 PM
comment #34
James Rocchi
says ...
Thanks, Luke.
And I didn't write that wikipedia page; I think the credit/blame goes to some Canadian Debating historians -- both of them? -- who started it and etcetera.
Posted by James Rocchi
at October 7, 2009 3:17 PM
comment #35
mtgilchrist
says ...
with respect, lbeale, the problem is that the studios DO need kansas city - either because that's got great reach to give their film visibility, or the people who attend aren't critics in any measurable fashion, which is why they like everything and give those effusive pull quuotes. but as a person who has done tv interviews, print, online and everything in between, i can personally attest to the fact that there will always be people who complain about something (i've heard people complain about press notes being too long), yes, and that kind of self-important misbehavior absolutely occurs. but it's inaccurate to make any kind of generalization about the integrity of accepting any of these opportunities, because i've been on a bunch of big junkets in different places where i didn't like the movies, got free crap for stuff i hated, but no matter how hard i work to do smart, informed, insightful, meaningful interviews with the folks involved, i accept that anything where i'm talking about the movie that isn't an opinion piece is promotion for the film. all of which merely means that you have to have enough personal integrity to engage in this unspoken agreement to cover something or attend something that someone else is paying for, but when time comes to report on what you thought about it (as opposed to what it's about), you are completely honest. jeff just went on a trip for straw dogs and i'd surprised to discover he paid for it himself, but i also don't think that compromises his coverage of that or the film itself. meanwhile, fox bought me lunch so i could talk to the director of jennifer's body for several (3 in all) interview pieces, but if you look at my review there's not one condition or compromise to my opinion.
Posted by mtgilchrist
at October 7, 2009 3:30 PM
comment #36
George Prager
says ...
# Is it weird that Leelee Sobieski kinda gives me a boner, despite not being hot at ALL?2:35 AM Jul 3rd from web
# Should I at least hold off on suicide until SORORITY ROW comes out?3:23 AM Jul 2nd from web
# FUN FACT: I haven't punched the clown in like two weeks because I don't have any good porn and I don;t dare watch porn on the Net1:16 AM Jul 2nd from web
Posted by George Prager
at October 7, 2009 3:36 PM
comment #37
orler
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Couples Retreat looks just fine by me - Vince and Favreau always have great screen chemistry - nice to see Peter Billingsley get a shot at directing - who amongst us wouldn't want to hang out and film a movie in Bora Bora with Jason Bateman, Vince, and Kristen Bell?
Posted by orler
at October 7, 2009 8:09 PM
comment #38
mccool
says ...
nice little read .... one critique (should that mean anything to an accomplished professional writer from some faceless, unaccredited talkbacker)... Quoting 'The Big Chill'? Jokes about Rob Schneider and Carmen Sandiego? In fact I almost didnt event see the anachronistic jokes about schneider and sandiego because I wavered after the big chill reference. Don't try so hard next time.
Posted by mccool
at October 8, 2009 1:54 PM
comment #39
winson
says ...
home insurance quotes
Posted by winson
at February 8, 2010 6:00 PM
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