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It's not perfect, but this two-faced Avatar poster is much grabbier than the last one I've seen (or at least remember seeing) for the U.S. market. I've been experiencing a huge blockage with the Na'vi cat noses all along. There's something in me that just doesn't care for them. They just don't strike me as particularly cool.

I'm not looking to dig my claws in and say "this is my last and only reaction to this film" -- I'm just saying the noses haven't stopped bothering me, and I sort of wish that they would. I'm looking forward to this impression going away. I'm not married to it.

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Posted by Jeffrey Wells on November 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM

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Rich S. says ...

I know why Cameron did what he did, but I wish he had gone non-humanoid, or at least more "alien looking" on the Na'vi. He went to all this trouble to do mo-cap, and then has the aliens look like something he could pull off with a reasonably decent makeup job.

Not a deal-breaker, to be sure, but still kind of a bummer.

Posted by Rich S. at November 18, 2009 11:49 AM

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Colin says ...

They do look too much like cats for my taste, but Cameron hasn't done anything for me to think it's going to be terrible.

Posted by Colin at November 18, 2009 11:49 AM

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Telemachos says ...

Those who're wanting more "alien"-y aliens are forgetting that Cameron conceived this as a love story. You think there's a disconnect with 10-foot tall blue humanoids? Wait till Sam Worthington tried to romance something significantly more alien.

The actors, btw, are very happy that they're not in prosthetics -- they feel it really hampers their expressiveness and range of emotion. Not to mention the whole problem with these creatures having far longer legs and arms than humans. Battlefield Earth tried to do it with prosthetics.... ugh.

Posted by Telemachos at November 18, 2009 11:53 AM

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DeafBrownTrashPunk says ...

Terrible.

Posted by DeafBrownTrashPunk at November 18, 2009 11:56 AM

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Jack South P.I. says ...

Has there ever been a movie this expensive (relative to other budgets of its day) that seemed less cool than Avatar?

Posted by Jack South P.I. at November 18, 2009 12:04 PM

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Colin says ...

@Jack

I imagine the people of 1927 didn't think Metropolis was great looking. But time has proved it a classic.

Not defending Avatar, but pointing that out.

Posted by Colin at November 18, 2009 12:07 PM

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Jack South P.I. says ...

I find it hard to believe moviegoers of any era thought Metropolis wasn't "great looking."

Posted by Jack South P.I. at November 18, 2009 12:10 PM

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Eloi Manning says ...

"I imagine the people of 1927 didn't think Metropolis was great looking. But time has proved it a classic."

What? Is there any evidence that the people of 1927 didn't think Metropolis was great looking?

Posted by Eloi Manning at November 18, 2009 12:10 PM

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DeafBrownTrashPunk says ...

Colin, your statement made no fucking sense.

Come on. we're talking about the very early stage of Hollywood, when movies were barely 2 (3?) decades old and being shown to delighted audiences all over the nation. 1927 audiences can't be compared to today's audiences, for god's sake!

today, we get at least 10-20 big budget action/fantasy/sci fi movies a year. Harry Potter, LOTR, Terminator, Transformers, etc... nothing really dazzles the audience anymore, because we've seen it all.

I would imagine that in 1927, Metropolish was something amazing, innovative, new, and exciting.

Posted by DeafBrownTrashPunk at November 18, 2009 12:32 PM

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HanekeFanBoyNumberOne says ...

My enthusiasm is drained with every new promotional ad/spot I see. This poster is no exception.

After seeing the trailers and clip, I feel as though Cameron thinks this is all mind-blowingly original. Like he hasn't seen a tentpole in 12 years.

Still, I could be very, very wrong.

Posted by HanekeFanBoyNumberOne at November 18, 2009 1:02 PM

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Chase Kahn says ...

I saw the new theatrical trailer on a gargantuan digital screen, in 3D, and I thought it looked like garbage.

Posted by Chase Kahn at November 18, 2009 1:06 PM

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Wrecktem says ...

I just can't buy the concept that Sam Worthington would want to fuck a 10 foot azure bipedal leopard. Unless they show that he's got some kind of feline fetish (like the dude with the rat in The Abyss). Maybe Cameron's included a 10 minute erotic petting or grooming session at the beginning of the film to demonstrate Worthington's felinaphilic predilections. Perhaps he'll call his faithful familiar "Jonesy" to get all the geeks wet.

Posted by Wrecktem at November 18, 2009 1:10 PM

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Rich S. says ...

Pixar pulled off a love story between a riding lawn mower and an iPhone. I still say Cameron copped out.

Posted by Rich S. at November 18, 2009 1:14 PM

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DavidF says ...

I think it's admirable that Jeff admits this won't be his final say on the film - especially since he HASN'T SEEN THE FILM.

Posted by DavidF at November 18, 2009 1:21 PM

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LexG says ...

Wrecktem FTW: "I just can't buy the concept that Sam Worthington would want to fuck a 10 foot azure bipedal leopard."

At 3 HOURS-- can people handle 3D for that length of time? I get migraines after about 20 minutes of it. Much like the handheld shaky-cam (which doesn't affect me a bit), some people are gonna be running, retching from the theater from 166 minutes of nonstop distorted vision.

Cameron is a legend but... yeah, this kinda looks like LEGEND.

Teen boys are a key to rewatch success, and I can't picture a packed house of delinquents in the Valley watching this and thinking it looks awesome. More like "Daaaaamn, that shit's all fuckin' stupid and shit, what the fuuuuuck?"

Posted by LexG at November 18, 2009 1:27 PM

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The InSneider says ...

I thought it was coming out Dec. 18, not 16th.. What gives?

Posted by The InSneider at November 18, 2009 1:29 PM

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Jack South P.I. says ...

"Cameron is a legend but...this kinda looks like LEGEND."

Best line in the thread.

Posted by Jack South P.I. at November 18, 2009 1:35 PM

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Mr. F. says ...

Wrecktem: your comment above couldn't help but remind me of the classic Steve Martin punchline: "That cat was the best fuck I ever had."

(For those of you who don't know it -- try to find his "Wild and Crazy Guy" album. Brilliant stuff.)

Posted by Mr. F. at November 18, 2009 1:38 PM

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Jack South P.I. says ...

I can believe "a love story between a riding lawn mower and an iPhone" because I am neither a lawn mower nor an iPhone. I can even believe a story about an alien falling in love with a human. But I cannot believe a human falling in love with an alien that doesn't look human (a la Starman).

Posted by Jack South P.I. at November 18, 2009 1:39 PM

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Josh Massey says ...

I can't believe how much I'm not looking forward to this movie.

I've loved everything the man has done since the first Terminator, so I'll give it a chance - but it really looks awful. I won't mind a bit being wrong, though.

Posted by Josh Massey at November 18, 2009 1:45 PM

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DeeZee says ...

DavidF: He has seen the film. It's just that last time, it was directed by Kevin Costner, Terence Malick, and Bill Kroyer.

Posted by DeeZee at November 18, 2009 1:46 PM

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LexG says ...

You know, I'm surprised we thus far haven't gotten a glorious Wells rant about the most off-putting image in all the Avatar trailers (and the shot's been in every spot I've seen):

Ugh, man feet. *Alien blue man feet.* There's that shot of Worthington's avatar regaining feeling in its toes, and it flexes them with its big, stupid wrinkly blue soles right in the camera lens in some distorto-vision? Just embarrassing to see, and one of those things you want to go away IMMEDIATELY. How can a master like Cameron not know that gross alien feet up in the lens is an unfortunate image? Detract 100 points from the cool factor right there.

Posted by LexG at November 18, 2009 2:06 PM

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Rich S. says ...

LexG, I'm pretty sure the reason that alien feet scene is in there is because Worthington's human character is paralyzed from the waist down. He's flexing his avatar feet because he hasn't had the use of his own feet in quite some time.

Just guessing.

Posted by Rich S. at November 18, 2009 2:10 PM

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Colin says ...

Well Deaf, I was comparing it because both had: monster budgets(Metropolis for its time) and tepid responses, apparently they weren't impressed.

Metropolis only did well many years later.

Posted by Colin at November 18, 2009 2:16 PM

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Anthony Thorne says ...

That seems a fair enough point (toes flexing). I haven't been super impressed with any of the trailers or clips or stills, but I'm still seeing it in 3D during its opening day and suspect the overall vibe of the movie (and the 90% of it that we haven't seen) will have rewards enough to remove most doubts.

Posted by Anthony Thorne at November 18, 2009 2:17 PM

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Terry McCarty says ...

For 2010, there should be a ban on the supertired graphic-design cliche of showing half-faces.

Posted by Terry McCarty at November 18, 2009 2:36 PM

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drbob says ...

I'm gonna go out on a limb right now and say I would be very surprised if this thing makes money. I know the same thing has been said about Cameron before, but this has financial disaster written all over it.

Posted by drbob at November 18, 2009 2:56 PM

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markj says ...

Seems like nobody learnt anything from the lead-up to Titanic. You're all forgetting one thing: James Cameron is smarter than you.

Posted by markj at November 18, 2009 4:37 PM

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DeeZee says ...

Dunno why Metropolis wasn't well-recieved when it first came out, but I'm guessing it was due to tackling social issues no one wanted to hear, unless they involved white-washing slavery and racism in the South before and after the Civil War. Plus, it came out before the stock market crash, when it might have been more successful during the Depression.

As for Avatar, we've already seen plenty of anti-Iraq war movies which have bombed. So I'm not sure why anyone thinks a new one which is more expensive than the usual versions will guarantee a bigger audience, when they'll probably end up opting for that Alvin and the Chipmunks sequel in its place.

And Titanic made money, because it appealed to a particular target audience which happened to have the hots for the star of the movie at that time. I'm not sure who Avatar appeals to, other than people who think Star Trek and Star Wars are too "mainstream" nowadays.

Posted by DeeZee at November 18, 2009 6:52 PM

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le corbeau says ...

James Cameron is smarter than me in kind of lunkheaded ways-- I'm way too smart to have written the line "Oh great, it's the queen bitch of the universe," or to have sunk one of the most influential paintings of all time where nobody would ever see it-- but nobody gets more emotional effect out of Hollywood action stuff, the whole town has spent two decades trying to copy that, unsuccessfully. Anything you can say about why you don't want to see blue cats making out, you could say just as well about the father-son relationship between a kid and Arnold Schwarzenegger as a robot, and yet Terminator 2 is the Ordinary People of action movies.

It's always possible that he's too old and rich and blase to get it up any more, but I'd bet that Cameron wrings every last bit of cheap sentiment out of his blue cat people, and reminds us why we love movies in the process.

Posted by le corbeau at November 18, 2009 8:52 PM

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teeem says ...

yo, LexG!
re your
"Ugh, man feet. *Alien blue man feet.* There's that shot of Worthington's avatar regaining feeling in its toes, and it flexes them with its big, stupid wrinkly blue soles right in the camera lens in some distorto-vision? ..."

sounds like homage to Tarantino to me.

Posted by teeem at November 18, 2009 9:04 PM

comment #32

DeeZee says ...

Ronald: Avatar appears to be like if the father-son relationship in T2 was turned into the father-son relationship between Boba Fett and his dad in 'Clones.

teem: "sounds like homage to Tarantino to me."

Yes, because female revenge flicks never existed before Kill Bill.

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