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With the Academy's final nomination deadline only four days off, few if any voters are able to think of ten Best Picture nominees, reports Notes on a Season's Pete Hammond. They can name five or six and then they stall out. This conundrum, of course, is precisely what Oscar blogger lists are made for.
"In countless conversations with academy voters over the past two weeks it's apparent that not everyone is able to come up with 10 movies. In fact it's an epidemic. According to the overwhelming majority of members to whom I have spoken, they get to five or six and give up on the other slots. One voter went so far as to actually send me an e-mail asking me to suggest seven other movies to augment their own three choices. Of course I obliged.
"'I can barely find five movies to nominate. I have no idea what to do for 10,' one exasperated member told me this week. When prodded for more information it was apparent they had only just a few of the real contenders and many in their pile of DVD screeners had so far gone unopened.
"One veteran consultant told me about a survey of 60 potential voters that found only 18 had bothered to actually pick 10 movies for best picture nominations
"Of course it isn't required that members vote for 10 to have their voices heard, but the academy does subtly encourage making the effort.
"Here's the official language on all ballots: 'In order for any achievement to be among those chosen from this balloting it must have at least one first place vote. It is important that your FIRST CHOICE be written on the FIRST LINE. You need not fill in all 10 lines. The more preferences you indicate however, the greater the certainty that your ballot will influence the Best Picture nominees list.'
"With the complicated tabulating system," Hammond notes, "a voter is probably not mistaken in thinking that the first three choices are the only ones that will count anyway, but this is fairly uncharted territory this year.
"Some voters conversely have told me they welcome the chance to name 10 movies as it frees them to go with their heart even if they believe it's a wasted vote. After listing the usual suspects like The Hurt Locker, Up in the Air, An Education, etc., one guy said he selected Drag Me To Hell because that's the best time he had at the movies all year and it doesn't matter that it can't possibly be nominated because he has nine other slots in which to 'influence' the race, as the academy language suggests.
"With all the lunches, parties and other events for academy members lately, its no wonder they can't fill out their ballot. Who has time to actually see the movies?"
Posted by Jeffrey Wells on January 20, 2010 at 1:34 AM
comment #1
BurmaShave
says ...
off the top of my head: AVATAR, DISTRICT 9, A SERIOUS MAN, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, THE HURT LOCKER, PUBLIC ENEMIES, WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE, PRECIOUS, SUGAR, STAR TREK...
Well that wasn't too hard, and hell I have a real job.
Posted by BurmaShave
at January 20, 2010 2:00 AM
comment #2
BurmaShave
says ...
feel free to insert the overrated UP IN THE AIR, AN EDUCATION, as you like. Or go crazy and make room for A SINGLE MAN, UP, CORALINE, or IN THE LOOP. It's not hard people.
Posted by BurmaShave
at January 20, 2010 2:02 AM
comment #3
BurmaShave
says ...
500 DAyS OF SUMMER! THE FANTASTIC MR. FOX! MOON! BROKEN EMBRACES! ADVENTURELAND!
I can't stress enough how confusing it is that I can think of this stuff when I've had to pay for and make time for these movies all year but they can't.
Posted by BurmaShave
at January 20, 2010 2:05 AM
comment #4
High Chaparral
says ...
It's precisely because you've made time and paid out of your own pocket that you're capable of thinking of 20-odd possibles in less than 5 minutes.
Posted by High Chaparral
at January 20, 2010 2:54 AM
comment #5
K. Bowen
says ...
Bright Star, The Hurt Locker, Thirst, The Road, A Serious Man, Inglourious Basterds, Fantastic Mr. Fox, The Brothers Bloom, Adventureland, Public Enemies.
Can I go pee now?
Posted by K. Bowen
at January 20, 2010 3:08 AM
comment #6
Bob Violence
says ...
Moon, Daytime Drinking, The Damned United, Sugar, Two Lovers, The Headless Woman, Tokyo Sonata, Goodbye Solo, The Missing Person, Lorna's Silence
Hahaha just kidding, they'll just chuck in some bullshit like The Blind Side
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 20, 2010 4:57 AM
comment #7
Floyd Thursby
says ...
Yet more proof that the Oscars can't be taken seriously.
Posted by Floyd Thursby
at January 20, 2010 5:08 AM
comment #8
mpneeb
says ...
I wanna play!
Avatar, An Education, A Serious Man, District 9, Inglorious Bastards, Up in the Air, Up, Coraline, Drag Me to Hell, and Public Enemies.
Can't be that hard...
Posted by mpneeb
at January 20, 2010 5:10 AM
comment #9
MAGGA
says ...
Tha Academy are the teabaggers of cinema.
Posted by MAGGA
at January 20, 2010 5:18 AM
comment #10
MAGGA
says ...
Says someone who fails to spell "the"
Posted by MAGGA
at January 20, 2010 5:19 AM
comment #11
Bob Violence
says ...
Fuck Tha Academy
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 20, 2010 5:22 AM
comment #12
evelyn garver
says ...
Who knows what horrors the 10 BP experiment will yield. Perhaps DRAG ME TO HELL will appear (it actually was great fun) I am always doubtful,however, of anecdotal evidence from a small sampling of academy voters. Two years ago, stories circulated about how all the older voters were going for MICHAEL CLAYTON in every major category, causing shocking upsets. It never happened.
Posted by evelyn garver
at January 20, 2010 5:55 AM
comment #13
Rob
says ...
I can't even LIMIT myself to 10:
The White Ribbon, 35 Shots of Rum, Where the Wild Things Are, Summer Hours, The Hurt Locker, A Single Man, Lorna's Silence, Bright Star, The Messenger, Whip It, Duplicity, A Serious Man, In the Loop...
Oh, wait - only Locker has a chance in hell at getting nominated? I see...
Posted by Rob
at January 20, 2010 7:08 AM
comment #14
Anti-Spam
says ...
A voter is probably not mistaken in thinking that the first three choices are the only ones that will count anyway, but this is fairly uncharted territory this year.
Posted by Anti-Spam
at January 20, 2010 7:21 AM
comment #15
Bob Violence
says ...
The White Ribbon, 35 Shots of Rum, Where the Wild Things Are, Summer Hours, The Hurt Locker, A Single Man, Lorna's Silence, Bright Star, The Messenger, Whip It, Duplicity, A Serious Man, In the Loop...
35 Shots of Rhum and Summer Hours aren't eligible
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 20, 2010 7:44 AM
comment #16
Sebguts
says ...
Avatar, The Hurt Locker, Up In The Air, Inglourious Basterds, Up, District 9, An Education, Star Trek, (500) Days of Summer, Precious
That's what I think will be nominated. If I was running the show, I'd boot the overrated Precious and throw in Where the Wild Things Are.
Posted by Sebguts
at January 20, 2010 7:48 AM
comment #17
Phreaker
says ...
This is why you will see mainstream movies getting chosen over more obscure indie titles. If they don't want to watch the screener, the film will not be nominated. On the other hand, anyone's game?
I agree with the above's list except for 500 Days, which I think is "too young" for the Academy. But who knows. Wild Things has ZERO chance. the Hangover will probably be in instead of 500 Days..
Posted by Phreaker
at January 20, 2010 7:58 AM
comment #18
Ryansi51
says ...
I think this is a good example of why this 10 BP experiment will work. everyone's excited to throw out their 10 Best list because you have the leeway to pick the staples but can go off on your own little wish list as well.
Posted by Ryansi51
at January 20, 2010 8:03 AM
comment #19
lazarus
says ...
If a film has to appear in someone's first place slot to make the final lineup, and I'm assuming on a certain percentage of ballots, isn't it possible that there won't even BE ten films that make the cut?
Are there really going to be more than a couple bozos who put Star Trek at #1, for example?
Posted by lazarus
at January 20, 2010 8:15 AM
comment #20
Gaydos
says ...
I'm very worried.
This whole "ten films" experiment could lead to the inclusion of the extremely important, groundbreaking and daring creative enterprises helmed by the most artistically challenging fillmakers from AROUND THE WORLD and suddenly you will be seeing names like LOACH, RESNAIS, ALMODOVAR, CEYLAN, AKIN, HANEKE, VON TRIER, ZHANG YIMOU (I could list 50 names here), et al in the Best Picture race and this AMERICAN FILM BUSINESS-CONTROLLED contest could get opened up to reflect the wondrous diversity and mind-altering imagination of global cinema.
I see Homeland Security putting up a security wall around the Kodak Theater any minute now.
Posted by Gaydos
at January 20, 2010 8:25 AM
comment #21
Bob Violence
says ...
This whole "ten films" experiment could lead to the inclusion of the extremely important, groundbreaking and daring creative enterprises helmed by the most artistically challenging fillmakers from AROUND THE WORLD
No, it really couldn't
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 20, 2010 8:29 AM
comment #22
raygo
says ...
Why didn't they go for six, like the Emmys did? To jump from 5 to 10 seems rash and poorly thought out. And then still just 5 directors? It would ahve been way more interesting to see six nominees in the acting, picture, and director list.
Posted by raygo
at January 20, 2010 8:43 AM
comment #23
corey3rd
says ...
GI Joe will get votes
Posted by corey3rd
at January 20, 2010 9:24 AM
comment #24
C is for cookie
says ...
That would be interesting, Gaydos. A couple of weeks ago I was looking at the best director nominees over the years and during the late 50's/early 60's it was pretty surpising that a lot of international names were up for the award. I don't necessarily think it will happen again but it would be cool if it did.
Posted by C is for cookie
at January 20, 2010 9:47 AM
comment #25
Balthazar
says ...
I predict we'll have at least one jaw-dropper among the BP categories. They didn't think this system through enough. ... The Hangover for BP, maybe? Star Trek is probably a lock, I'd think.
Posted by Balthazar
at January 20, 2010 10:16 AM
comment #26
Noah Cross
says ...
Yeah, this 10 Best Picture and 5 Best Director nominees was a bright one.
I've got a feeling "Julie and Julia" will make its way to the top ten. I'd rather see "Zombieland".
Posted by Noah Cross
at January 20, 2010 10:18 AM
comment #27
Dan Revill (formerly Aladdin Sane)
says ...
What's the point of being an Academy member if you're not going to bother to do what is required of you? Even if you just take somebody's top ten, watch all ten movies over the course of a week - in the two or three months that you have the screeners - then you've done your job. Sigh.
Yes, I know a lot of them have day jobs, but it isn't exactly rocket science is it?
Posted by Dan Revill (formerly Aladdin Sane)
at January 20, 2010 10:33 AM
comment #28
Gaydos
says ...
The anarchist/global and indie cinema lover in me gets giddy at the thought of this ten film thing causing the system to veer out of control.
1956 is a great example of what could happen if this were really a competition between the BEST films in the world. "Around the World in 80 Days" is a major competitor for WORST best picture Oscar of all time. Here are some of the films that didn't get nominated for best pic that year:
"La Strada"
"Umberto D"
"Baby Doll"
"The Ladykillers"
"Richard III"
"Panther Panchali"
"Bigger Than Life"
"Smiles of a Summer Night"
"The Man Who Knew Too Much"
"The Harder They Fall"
You get the idea.
Posted by Gaydos
at January 20, 2010 11:03 AM
comment #29
joe banks
says ...
too late for some kind of stealth guerrilla campaign for "Paul Blart: Mall Cop"?
Posted by joe banks
at January 20, 2010 11:26 AM
comment #30
Bob Violence
says ...
What's the point of being an Academy member if you're not going to bother to do what is required of you? Even if you just take somebody's top ten, watch all ten movies over the course of a week - in the two or three months that you have the screeners - then you've done your job. Sigh.
The only way these assholes would even watch something not already on their radar is if they accidentally choose it at random from their screener pile, which is why the non-majors will always be fucked when it comes to stuff like this
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 20, 2010 11:29 AM
comment #31
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
This was never anything else than an attempt to pump up interest in the awards among the general public and sell ad space.
If you game the system so big money pictures get nominated, not only will the Eloi watch to see if STAR TREK or HANGOVER (or NEW MOON - you can tell only guys post here LOL) wins, yet the studios will have to shell out to support those films not only to keep the producers/stars happy but also because most will be on DVD by then.
Considering they haven't really nominated 5 great films in a long time, this will be an interesting clusterfuck when the nominations are announced.
It's pretty brilliant; usually I stay out of these discussions because I have lost so much respect for the Oscars. But this year the train wreck nature piqued my interest. Too bad they aren't doing the final voting like this - can you imagine the jaws dropping if Tom Hanks were to say "And the Academy Award for Best Picture goes to.....ZOMBIELAND!"
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at January 20, 2010 11:44 AM
comment #32
Gordon27
says ...
"a voter is probably not mistaken in thinking that the first three choices are the only ones that will count anyway"
That's not really true; this year, the number of votes a movie needs to get nominated for Best Picture is half as many as it's ever been before [technically, slightly more than half, because of new members in the Academy]. They're going to go deeper on people's lists than they've ever gone before.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 20, 2010 11:45 AM
comment #33
Gordon27
says ...
I'm having trouble with my tenth slot.
Avatar, An Education, The Hurt Locker, Inglourious Basterds, Precious, Up, Up in the Air -- those are the seven locks.
Invictus is basically a done deal; as much as we all recognize it's a bad movie, 1) most of the people voting won't have watched it, and 2) most of the people who watched that movie decided before it started that it was Great because it's Important.
I had had The Blind Side, but now that Star Trek has been nominated by the WGA, the Producers, and the SAG (for ensemble, which is their Best Picture in a way), it looks pretty definite. Blind Side might be #10, but I think Star Trek takes the popular slot away from it.
Which leaves A Single Man, The Last Station, The Messenger, and Crazy Heart -- any of them could get bumped up by their actors. You've got A Serious Man, which would be nice, you've got District 9, which won't happen as long as The Blind Side still needs a nom, and you've got Nine, which, bad as it is, is sure to appeal to actors. Since there's no clear favorite there, my guess would be 'The Blind Side'.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 20, 2010 11:50 AM
comment #34
George Prager
says ...
Kind of like voting for the Baseball Hall of Fame. Andre Dawson, check. Bert Blyleven, check. Dale Murphy, check. Hmmmm.....Lenny Dykstra?
Posted by George Prager
at January 20, 2010 11:54 AM
comment #35
George Prager
says ...
"Baby Doll"? That's a proto-John Waters film. There's no scenario where a movie like would ever be (or deserve to be) nominated.
Posted by George Prager
at January 20, 2010 11:57 AM
comment #36
markj
says ...
Why would anybody nominate Star Trek as a Best Picture nominee? I mean, seriously? Its utter crap compared to something like The Wrath of Khan, and there was no way in hell that would have got nominated back in 82, even if there had been 10 slots available.
If Star Trek gets a nod it simply says "We, the Academy, encourage more badly written and directed films to be made".
Madness.
Posted by markj
at January 20, 2010 12:00 PM
comment #37
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
Second that, Gordon - BLIND SIDE. I don't think AN EDUCATION is a lock.
I suspect one of the reasons why the Globes mirror many of the eventual winners is because the HFPA members are polling industry people (especially the talent they are feted with this time of year). In which case, there must not have been much love out there for Mulligan. Seeing that she has a higher profile than the movie itself, I'd say AN EDUCATION might be in trouble for even a nomination.
Last year, sure. But this wonderful new system might just work against it.
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at January 20, 2010 12:03 PM
comment #38
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
markj - no, it means what Hammond is talking about: people don't want to turn in a list with just few films on it. A lot of people liked that movie and while they don't think of it something that should actually win, they will nominated it just so it gets that recognition.
Which is why I will not be the least surprised to hear both STAR TREK and THE HANGOVER called out in 4 days. In fact at this point, I expect it.
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at January 20, 2010 12:09 PM
comment #39
Gordon27
says ...
"Why would anybody nominate Star Trek as a Best Picture nominee?"
I didn't buy it, but then, like I said, the Writer's Guild nominated it to its ten, the producers guild nominated it to its ten, and SAG nominated it for Best Ensemble. That's the actor's branch, the writer's branch, and the producer's branch. That's a lot of votes.
"Seeing that she has a higher profile than the movie itself, I'd say AN EDUCATION might be in trouble for even a nomination."
That's a fair point; 'An Education' could fall by the wayside and be stuck on that list I made with 'Single Man', 'Messenger', etc. But Mulligan has gotten more buzz than Firth or Harrelson or Mirrem & Plummer, and the actors are the biggest block of voters, and they're going to nominate *one* movie like that. I'd still put my money on 'An Education', which has the actors (Best Ensemble) and the producers voting for it (and was ineligible for the WGA, if not the DGA as well).
Basically, I'm saying that "Best Production" + "Best Ensemble" is enough to be a lock. But, like I say, I think you make a good point -- it may not be as much of a lock as the other 6. Is your list mine, but with 'The Hangover' substituted for 'An Education'?
Posted by Gordon27
at January 20, 2010 12:26 PM
comment #40
Abbey Normal
says ...
OK:
Hurt Locker
Avatar
Bright Star
Inglourious Basterds
Up
Drag Me To Hell
Up In The Air
Crazy Heart
An Education
Where The Wild Things Are
Posted by Abbey Normal
at January 20, 2010 12:29 PM
comment #41
drbob
says ...
Just a month ago, they were churning out 10 best lists left and right. What's the problem here. Don't academy members have access to the internet.
Posted by drbob
at January 20, 2010 1:33 PM
comment #42
Ray
says ...
Well, my list puts Christoph Waltz in the Best Actor category, Zoe Saldana in Best Actress, and in Best Supporting Actor I put Jackie Earle Haley for THE WATCHMEN and Zachary Quinto for STAR TREK.
As far as Best Picture, my list goes like this in order:
THE HURT LOCKER
UP IN THE AIR
INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS
AN EDUCATION
PRECIOUS
MOON
THE WATCHMEN
DISTRICT 9
ANTICHRIST
THE HANGOVER
Here's the complete list:
http://sammyray.com/967/if-i-had-a-vote/
Posted by Ray
at January 20, 2010 1:47 PM
comment #43
Ray
says ...
Why all the hate for THE HANGOVER?? It was crisply directed, sharply written, and had some winning performances. Is it just because it is perceived around here as an "Eloi" movie, or is it the old comedy bias that infects the Academy to this day?
THE HANGOVER as a mass market film is relatively just as successful as STAR WARS, which was nominated for BEST PICTURE in 1977.
Posted by Ray
at January 20, 2010 2:00 PM
comment #44
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
What "hate"? It's just that HANGOVER and STAR TREK have no business being seriously considered the best pictures that came out in 2009.
Can't help you with the HANGOVER vs STAR WARS thing, though. If you can't see there's nothing remotely relative about those two films, there's no point arguing it.
Other than the fact that they were both in color, shown 1.85:1, in English and mostly projected in focus. Mostly....
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at January 20, 2010 2:17 PM
comment #45
Gordon27
says ...
I thought 'The Hangover' was fine; expected to laugh a bit more, but I also expected it to be a bit less likeable overall, so it balanced out.
It's possible it'll get nominated, but I think losing the Best Ensemble nomination from SAG to 'Nine' is a bad sign. But it did get mentioned by the editors and the production design (that seemed a bit odd until I realized that they nominate a total of 15 different movies, and 'Hangover' is nominated in "Contemporary Films", meaning that there are five "Period Pieces" and five "Fantasy Films" that are more likely to get an Oscar nod), and the writers. It seems to me like the big thing against it for the Oscars, what else will it be nominated for? Screenplay, sure, probably, there aren't many other original screenplays this year. Editing? That's a shot in the dark, I don't even know how many ACE editors are members of the Academy to nominate it [best editing is always a strange batch of movies, you get the big Best Picture contenders and then a few movies that got a few other nominations].
"THE HANGOVER as a mass market film is relatively just as successful as STAR WARS"
How do you figure? 'Star Wars' made significantly more money even before you adjust for inflation. I don't think 'Star Wars' is a good example, as that was at the time the #1 box office movie of all-time, and is still in the top five. Seems closer to 'Jaws' pre-inflation -- which didn't get nominated either. It's also significantly less popular than any given non-nominated 'Harry Potter' movie (but, sure, it did so without a built-in audience).
I just believe there are four mass-market popular movies ahead of it in the queue that are more likely to be nominated ('Avatar', 'Up', 'Star Trek', and 'The Blind Side'), if only because of the anti-comedy bias. And the fact that I can't see any actress voting for it.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 20, 2010 2:27 PM
comment #46
Gaydos
says ...
George Prager:
I assume you won't bother to do the homework to realize how transparently uninformed you are about "Baby Doll," so that's why I'm here.
This took ten seconds of research:
"The young actress portraying precocious, 19 year-old Baby Doll, Carroll Baker (25 years old and in her second film) received a well-deserved Best Actress Academy Award nomination for her role.
The film received a total of four Academy Award nominations, with no wins: Best Actress for Baker, Best Adapted Screenplay for Tennessee Williams, Best Cinematography (Boris Kaufman), and Best Supporting Actress (Mildred Dunnock).
To make the film appear more genuine and authentic, most of it was filmed on location in rural Benoit, Mississippi.
The landmark, tragi-comedy film, one of the most erotic cinematic works ever produced, was based on Tennessee Williams' first original film screenplay, interweaving and adapting two of his earlier one-act plays: "Twenty-Seven Wagons Full of Cotton" and "The Long Stay Cut Short" (aka "The Unsatisfactory Supper").
The highly-acclaimed Williams had many of his plays adapted for the screen in the 1950s: A Streetcar Named Desire (1951), Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958), and Suddenly Last Summer (1959)). As before, Williams' work on this film was directed by Elia Kazan, a favorite director of several of his plays on Broadway as well.
The film actually brought together director Elia Kazan, scriptwriter Tennessee Williams, and actor Karl Malden from his previous film A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)."
From the AMC "Greatest Films" website, edited by Tim Dirks
Posted by Gaydos
at January 20, 2010 2:27 PM
comment #47
Gordon27
says ...
"shown 1.85:1"
I was going to say that they don't have aspect ratio in common, but then I remembered that 'Hangover' was also 2.35 for some reason.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 20, 2010 2:29 PM
comment #48
Ray
says ...
Let me explain my HANGOVER position a little further. Comedies have always been less profitable than populist blockbusters. So, relatively speaking, HANGOVER (which was a hugely successful comedy) is comparable to a film like STAR WARS, which is more of a summer blockbuster type film.
But Deathtongue's stupid comment still doesn't address WHY there is so much hatred for HANGOVER. Simply stating "it isn't good, so there" doesn't really explain anything.
I'm guessing that a lot of people here were looking down their noses over their glasses of chardonnay, and therefore couldn't get into the vibe like the guffawing Eloi all around them. Either that, or the comedy was too lowbrow and not as intellectually "hilarious" as the latest Wes Anderson film .... yuk yuk yuk.
I still haven't heard a compelling argument against HANGOVER as a tenth spot here. It wouldn't make a top five, but with ten spots, it could be considered.
Posted by Ray
at January 20, 2010 4:36 PM
comment #49
Ray
says ...
And while we're at it, let's address HANGOVER and STAR TREK, since they're being lumped into the same category of inferiority.
THE HANGOVER is a complete motion picture experience; it has interesting characters, a tightly-structured plot, some nice twists, and some big laughs. The film is edited pretty weell, too.
STAR TREK was a good reboot, better than anybody could have imagined. It's the first thing in the entire STAR TREK canon that I really loved. The cast is great, and the characters are well-written (except Scotty). But the storyline is a mess, the villain is ridiculous, and the entire film seems to balance solely on coincidence (meeting Spock on the ice planet, for instance).
The two films are not really in the same league.
Posted by Ray
at January 20, 2010 4:42 PM
comment #50
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
Star Trek is better-directed, though. I think that's really the most compelling argument against it, it really goes back to the Academy's anti-comedy bias (like Gordon points out).
For that reason, I can totally see a lot of the people (esp. the tech-heads) filling out ballots that go for (500) Days of Summer over The Hangover, if they only feel like voting for one "comedic" film (and while the former really isn't funny, per se, it still finds itself in that breezy, "lightweight" zone that often don't garner much Consideration).
I guess what I'm saying is that while (500)DoS (and Trek, for that matter) may not actually be better-directed, they certainly seem like they are, if only because their respective techniques calls more attention to themselves.
Historically, I don't believe invisible style usually carries you too far with the Academy (unless there's another "angle" being worked: a biopic, high-brow lit adaptation, a story about someone who is disabled/mentally handicapped, etc.).
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at January 20, 2010 5:27 PM
comment #51
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
To specify, Sentence 2 should read: *most compelling argument against The Hangover
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at January 20, 2010 5:28 PM
comment #52
the400blows
says ...
I have no problem with HANGOVER getting the 10th slot. But what kind of world do we live in where films like BLIND SIDE and STAR TREK are being discussed for Best Picture nominations and much more worthy films like THE MESSENGER, A SINGLE MAN, and THE LAST STATION aren't. I'll take this a step further. I actually preferred THE MESSENGER over THE HURT LOCKER.
Posted by the400blows
at January 20, 2010 5:34 PM
comment #53
btwnproductions
says ...
BABY DOLL is a delight, with one of the great closing lines in movie history.
Posted by btwnproductions
at January 20, 2010 6:25 PM
comment #54
EdHavens
says ...
"THE HANGOVER as a mass market film is relatively just as successful as STAR WARS"
Ray, you really need to re-learn basic math.
In 1977-1978, Star Wars sold more than $300m worth of tickets at a time when the average ticket price in America was around $2.25.
In 2009, The Hangover sold $277m worth of tickets at a time when the average ticket price in America was around $7.50.
37m tickets sold is not remotely as successful as 133m tickets sold.
Posted by EdHavens
at January 20, 2010 6:32 PM
comment #55
Scott Nye
says ...
Star Trek was not better directed than The Hangover, for the record. The opening sequence was astounding, but everything after that was a barrage of lights, unmotivated (or, worst, overmotivated) uses of handheld, and completely tension-free action sequences. Aside from Transformers 2 and A Single Man, I can't think of a worse-directed film so far this year.
It'd be a shame for The Hangover to be nominated, but not nearly the shame it'd be for Star Trek (mostly for the reasons Ray noted).
Posted by Scott Nye
at January 20, 2010 6:39 PM
comment #56
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
Are you responding to me? If so, did you even read my entire post? I basically admitted that it might not be all that well-directed, it just seems that way given its advantages of being fast paced and having a cinematic setting.
Now having said that, I personally thought it was pretty dynamic (despite an admittedly mediocre -- although not awful, IMHO -- script). It takes a lot of joy in playing with the in-jokes of the series, and is easily the most excitingly-shot Star Trek movie ever made (I'm sorry, but if you disagree with this, you are just a Trekker/Trekkie trapped in some serious stage of denial). Yeah, it's not as thought-provoking as the best Treks were, but I actually give Abrams a decent amount credit for streamlining the series without insulting the audience's intelligence -- similarly to how he handled the third installment of the M:I franchise a few years ago.
The movie is actually a lot of fun if you let go of your pretentious, pre-conceived notions of what Trek "stands for" (whatever the hell that means!). Why am I not surprised that the hardcore fans of the series are the ones that generally have the hardest time letting go?
The fact of the matter is -- Khan and possibly First Contact aside -- most of the movies were boring as fuck, and from a technical standpoint pretty shoddily-assembled.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at January 20, 2010 7:11 PM
comment #57
CitizenKanedforChewingGum
says ...
Also, you want to talk about tension-free action sequences, let's talk a little about Insurrection and Nemesis.
Has there ever been a surer way to misfire on the cinematic badassery of the classic "hero shot" than to stick Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner with tiny phasers set to stun?
Dudes make the Laser Cat buffoons look like Reservoir Space Dawgs up in here.
Posted by CitizenKanedforChewingGum
at January 20, 2010 7:29 PM
comment #58
Geoff
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Sorry, this was a pretty good year, not that tough to put together ten strong films, here are my picks:
The Hurt Locker
Avatar
A Serious Man
Up in the Air
Inglorious Basterds
Precious
District 9
Moon
I Love You, Man
Crazy Heart
Now, if you take out the last four and replace then with The Blind Side, Up, An Education, and Bad Education....there's your list, though I think Crazy Heart has a decent shot of getting in there or A Single Man instead of A Serious Man.
Sorry, I just don't see Star Trek and The Hangover - there are already plenty of more respectable blockbusters represented and I actually see District 9 having a big more of a shot than either of them, due to the "auteur" reputation it has gotten.
Posted by Geoff
at January 20, 2010 8:15 PM
comment #59
Gordon27
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"I can totally see a lot of the people (esp. the tech-heads) filling out ballots that go for (500) Days of Summer over The Hangover, if they only feel like voting for one "comedic" film"
I agree with this [I give the Golden Globes credit for picking what I feel was certainly the better comedy, maybe a toss-up for better movie], however I believe they're considering 'Up In The Air' the comedy this year. And 'Basterds', to some extent.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 21, 2010 12:24 AM
comment #60
Gordon27
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"though I think Crazy Heart has a decent shot of getting in there or A Single Man instead of A Serious Man."
Yeah, I definitely agree here. Historically, it's been rare for any acting award, but especially the main two, to go to a movie that isn't nominated for Best Picture. I'm certainly not saying it never happens, but I don't think there's ever more than one of the four (somebody's probably going to find a few where it is, but it's quite rare, anyway).
In a year with ten, I could definitely see whichever actor is going to win (presumably Bridges, possibly Firth) pushing the film up into Best Picture. But I feel like 'Single Man' is more likely, but I think Bridges is a lot more likely to win, and they'll wind up cancelling each other out in a way.
I don't know; the truth is, I think the really unpredictable categories this year are technical; you've got Star Trek, Transformers 2, District 9 and Avatar just to start with, plus a Harry Potter movie; then you've got Nine which could steal a bunch of design/costume nominations, and I can't rule out 'Lovely Bones' (no matter how terrible the movie is). It's even possible that 'Parnassus' could slip into one or two slots, if they put together a good reel and didn't try to get voters to sit through the whole movie. There's a lot of competition this year, for once.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 21, 2010 12:30 AM
comment #61
Floyd Thursby
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BRIGHT STAR is definitely worthy of being one of the ten, but these moronic voters are probably ignoring its presence in their un-viewed piles. They probably think it's science fiction.
Posted by Floyd Thursby
at January 21, 2010 4:24 AM
comment #62
Floyd Thursby
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BAFTA loves NOWHERE BOY more than BRIGHT STAR: http://www.bafta.org/awards/film/film-awards-nominations,949,BA.html
Posted by Floyd Thursby
at January 21, 2010 8:53 AM
comment #63
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