comment #1

Josh Massey says ...

As much as I admired Irreversible, I've never wanted to see it again.

comment #2

Terry McCarty says ...

It's a Jim Thompson adaptation--and I'm guessing that the dirstibutor who picks iKILLER up will demand edits, as well as the MPAA.

comment #3

CinematicallyCorrect says ...

Ugh, I could barely read the description of the scene without feeling queasy.

comment #4

longrunner says ...

If it's a faithful adaptation of the Thompson novel, then, no, the film ain't gonna appeal to your "Joe Popcorn" any more than Thompson's novels would. So? Nobody is forcing anyone to go see the film or to read the books.

comment #5

MarsvonBeer says ...

Anyone got a link to the post-screening forum with Wonderbottom defending his artistic choices for deconstructing Alba's face?

comment #6

MarsvonBeer says ...

Longrunner:
One thing is ink on the page another is blood and bone fragment on the screen...

comment #7

Monument says ...

Sounds kinda like the "fire extinguisher" scene from Irreversible.

comment #8

gogocrank10 says ...

So, wait: is Jessica Alba dead!?!? I hope Winterbottom goes to jail for this. Well, this and "9 Songs."

comment #9

longrunner says ...

MarsvonBeer:
The blood and bone fragment on the screen is not real. ;-)

Thompson's stories are dark and perverse and violent and if somebody's going to adapt them for the screen, what's the point of watering them down? If you want a watered down version of the stories, make up your own to shoot and leave Thompson's stories alone.

comment #10

MAGGA says ...

That's right! It's based on a BOOK! Stop having opinions or scepticism about this movie! Have you read the BOOK!? Modern movies are all byproducts of previously existing material and evaluating artistic choices in cinema is therefore pointless, get it?

comment #11

joe banks says ...

"well . . . that will have them rolling in the aisles"

comment #12

Daniel Tayag says ...

Reading this reminded me of that scene in Fight Club: "I wanted to destroy something beautiful."

comment #13

BurmaShave says ...

I just re-watched ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES last night, so I have a particularly vivid image of Casey Affleck at his saddest and most cowardly, which makes this description odd and somehow also more creepy.

comment #14

BurmaShave says ...

Also I'd have preferred a new adaptation of POP. 1280

comment #15

BizzarroJeffWells says ...

Pass.

comment #16

raygo says ...

Upscale cineastes will want to see it because it's an adaptation of a classic noir novel. Not sure I get your point. You sound a little prudish.

comment #17

BurmaShave says ...

The presence of Pullman and the role described leads me to believe this is a David Lynch parody.

comment #18

Chris Willman says ...

"The presence of Pullman and the role described leads me to believe this is a David Lynch parody."

Since I just forced myself to watch "Surveillance" last night, this made me laugh.

comment #19

Terry McCarty says ...

Re Chris Willman's comment:
SURVEILLANCE does represent one slight step up from the abysmal BOXING HELENA.

comment #20

Punchdrunk says ...

I can't wait to see this. I was worried they would make a watered down version of the book but it doesn't sound that way.

Plus, the fact that Bizzarro gives a "pass" means it will probably be great.

comment #21

Jonathan Spuij says ...

The fact it's adapated from a masterpiece novel doesn't make it right to put it on screen. It's way different and much more shocking.

comment #22

Gordon27 says ...

Wait until Jeff finds out that Kubrick wanted to make this movie for years and hired Jim Thompson to co-write with him *twice* because of how effective the book is.

comment #23

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

It's a great book.

I can't really say I'm nuts about the cast, but at least the director is never one to play it safe.

I'm intrigued.

comment #24

Gordon27 says ...

"The deal as I understand it is that if Eli Roth is directing it's totally deplorable torture porn, but if Michael Winterbottom is directing it's a Sundance entry and a film that upscale cineastes might want to see."

I believe the distinction, small as it is, is that "torture porn" is watching lead characters that you like getting tortured, whereas this movie is about somebody who isn't a hero (nor even an anti-hero) who's a violent serial killer.

comment #25

snoop says ...

Gordon27, have you seen Hostel or Hostel 2? By and large, the way those deaths happen, I think it's inaccurate to say the killers are antiheros. The leads in both films are fairly likable and set up as the heros of the film. Both even get some sort of vindication in the end with revenge. These movies are pretty damn uncomfortable.

Now, if you were talking about Jason, Freddy or Michael Myers, I'd agree.

comment #26

Manitoba says ...

The Toronto Star's Peter Howell has a Tuesday report on how the film's violence resulted in an outraged audience when the lights went up Monday. The headline tag:"A movie so violent even the star can't watch it."

comment #27

Gordon27 says ...

"By and large, the way those deaths happen, I think it's inaccurate to say the killers are antiheros. The leads in both films are fairly likable and set up as the heros of the film."

I think you misread me -- the killer as antihero (or not even antihero, I think) is this movie, not the torture porn movies.

Though, for the record, I think what Eli Roth does really well is make his heroes recognizable without being all that likable; both 'Hostel' and 'Cabin Fever' make their protagonists believably dumb, insular teenagers/early-20's. I think he's really good at that. And it makes it a little bit more interesting when they get tortured -- you don't like them, exactly, but they don't deserve *that* [like the asshole in the wheelchair in 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre].

comment #28

Gordon27 says ...

It amuses me, though, that people think that serial killers committing violence on women should be portrayed as less disturbing that this movie is getting a rep for.

comment #29

Chris Willman says ...

Gordon27: I am guessing you were really, really disappointed that there wasn't a full-on rape scene in "The Lovely Bones."

comment #30

Chris Willman says ...

" it makes it a little bit more interesting when they get tortured -- you don't like them, exactly, but they don't deserve *that* [like the asshole in the wheelchair in 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre]."

So it's "interesting" when unlikeable characters get tortured, because you feel conflicted, because you kind of want them to get badly carved up, but maybe not quite actually disemboweled? Yeah, that is interesting.

comment #31

Punchdrunk says ...

"The fact it's adapated from a masterpiece novel doesn't make it right to put it on screen."

Doesn't make it wrong either.

I guarantee that nobody in the entire world will be forced to watch this movie.

comment #32

Alvy Singer says ...

Movies as a form of endurance--should make a fine double-bill with Valentine's Day.

comment #33

Big Black says ...

And Devin Faraci has explained on Chud how Seth Abramovitch remembered the scene in a way it wasn't shot - unlike how it's described, the camera does turn away, but Seth highlights an unforgiving trait of the cinematography that apparently didn't happen on the screen.

Should the story as originally told be sanitized, be cleansed and neutered so that its original impact is diminished to the point you unrepentant and cowardly, faux-outraged cream-puffs can bare to watch it? Should a woman being beaten happen behind the scrim with tasteful colored light, muted sound and an easy pass? Many things in life are safe for the weak, but if you think storytelling is one of them you are dead fucking wrong. Go back to your cartoon dramas and pot comedies if that's where you feel safe. There are adults here in this world that aren't afraid to hear and see tales, and that means the beautiful ones, the ugly ones, and everything else in between.

comment #34

Colin says ...

Irreversible while stomach-churning had something to say and was a very good film. I'll never watch it again, but that does not detract from it.

It shall be seen whether Killer Inside Me will be as thought-provoking.

comment #35

Gordon27 says ...

"I am guessing you were really, really disappointed that there wasn't a full-on rape scene in "The Lovely Bones.""

Of all the things about 'Lovely Bones' to be disappointed about, this one hadn't occurred to me.

"So it's "interesting" when unlikeable characters get tortured, because you feel conflicted, because you kind of want them to get badly carved up, but maybe not quite actually disemboweled?"

Well, the alternative, as far as the genre is concerned, is completely interchangeable co-eds who are meant to be likeable but always seem just stupid.... so, yeah, it's more interesting to watch more realistic characters.

You seem to be itching for a fight on this subject, and I know I usually get into arguments on here, but you don't seem actually interested in discussing the genre, you just seem interested in scoring points against people who *are* interested in it. So, what's the point?

comment #36

lipranzer says ...

gogocrank - I actually liked 9 SONGS. True, if you believe Ricky Roma's speech in GLENGARY GLEN ROSS about what people remember about having sex (for him, it's not the orgasm itself, but little things like the cup of coffee she made for him the next morning that he remembers), the movie may not ring true, but I found it a good way of observing a relationship.

As a Winterbottom fan, I am psyched to see this, and I have every confidence he'll handle the violence well, in every sense. I haven't read the Thompson novel yet, but I have it on hold at the library.

comment #37

Bob Violence says ...

Winterbottom and Sundance were made for each other, nice to see he's finally sunk to his proper level

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