comment #1

Floyd Thursby says ...

"She was always friendly, supportive and cordial. There is no one I have met in this business in 16 years who I can say the same about."

Is Murphy being too harsh, or is Hollywood truly hell?

comment #2

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

You have to love the ironic overlap that Tarantino and Murphy separated themselves from Avary and Hamsher in the aftermath and the work took noticeable dips in both cases.

I call it the Bogdanovich Effect - dump your sounding board at your own peril. Take heed, kids.

comment #3

crazynine says ...

So apparently, Tarantino has the magical ability to give a woman cancer. Who cares? Don Murphy gave the world Transformers. Should we all call him the antichrist for *that* plague on the world?

In all seriousness-- I'd sleep better at night knowing that everyone in Hollywood was nice, pleasant, drug-free and haters of child rapists. Alas, it's an overly-concentrated pool of narcissism and isolation from reality. The price we pay for art is the price we pay for all kinds of genius, whether in art or technology or medicine or finance or politics: we have to put up with really insufferable pricks.

At least Tarantino's a prick who's made great films. What's Murphy's excuse?

comment #4

Jeffrey Wells says ...

Wells to Floyd Thursby: The more money, power and glory there is to be had, the worse people behave. Especially those who aren't terribly nice people to begin with.

comment #5

crazynine says ...

Another thing: as exhausting as this endless debate about who was better, who was more responsible for success, "ain't nothing as good as Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction," etc., one essential, basic truth is lost: if Murphy and Avary were really such artistic geniuses as they (or more accurately, their third-party defenders) claim to be, how come Tarantino continued to have the artistic success, and they didn't?

It's a tough, but timeless lesson: creative geniuses regard other people as stepladders and baggage, and discard them as soon as they're done with them.

Also, water is wet, and I could use a sandwich right now.

comment #6

Don Murphy says ...

Crazynine - I understand that being an anonymous douche on teh internets is kinda your reason for living, but this wasn't about you, it was about a woman that you couldn't hold a candle to so STFU and sit down.

comment #7

Uncle Milty says ...

[Deleted for cruelty and inaccuracy. Unfair and uncalled for.]

comment #8

crazynine says ...

"The more money, power and glory there is to be had, the worse people behave. Especially those who aren't terribly nice people to begin with."

I agree/disagree with this. People who are rotten are always rotten; the effects of that rot are just magnified by fame, money and power. There is no nobility in being poor-- I know plenty of poor people who don't deserve a dime of charity. Conversely, there are wealthy people who I would give *more* money to tomorrow if it would help them continue their good deeds.

Unrelated, but not: I've made a new year's resolution. I will continue to be honest in every editorial, blog post, and anonymous comment I make online this year, but I will refuse to say anything that I would not say to someone's face in polite company. Nobody anywhere online knows anybody-- all we have to go on is how our online personas act and react.

And frankly, how we all act and react is disgusting. I'll accept my blame for that, and I'll do my best to try and change. I just wish more bloggers and their readers did so as well, and recognize that their are human beings with diverse opinions and backgrounds and that it's okay to intelligently disagree with people without throwing around words like "evil," "disgusting," and "hate."

We should all strive to be the people online who we are in real life, whether we're anonymous or we have a paid byline.

Wish me luck.

comment #9

crazynine says ...

"Crazynine - I understand that being an anonymous douche on teh internets is kinda your reason for living, but this wasn't about you, it was about a woman that you couldn't hold a candle to so STFU and sit down."

.... annnnd, my point is made.

comment #10

JHR says ...

Tarantino sounds like a real douche bag. I like his movies, though.

comment #11

corey3rd says ...

you have to be nice and friendly to get it back.

comment #12

crazynine says ...

Oh, and an observation. *Was* this obit about a woman I couldn't hold a candle to?

She sounds like a wonderful woman, honestly. Someone who I didn't know, but would probably have been blessed to have known. I am genuinely saddened for the loss suffered by her friends, including Mr. Murphy. I am sorry.

That said... it strikes me as poor form to use the occasion of an obituary for anyone, let alone someone you care so deeply about, to continue to settle old scores with people you have disagreements with. Tarantino may have treated her like shit, and perhaps we should know that, but in this venue? It's not as if he murdered her. I've had plenty of unfortunate setbacks in my life from people I don't very much like, but I would be disappointed if the first words my friends or family wrote about me after my passing consisted of dirty laundry.

Now's not the time.

(And I've been consistent on this point on HE, whether from the infamous Wells comments on Bob Clark while his body was still warm, or this story. I don't know any of these people-- I only know the words. And the words strike me as inappropriate for the occasion, and reflect poorly on their authors).

comment #13

Mark says ...

"this wasn't about you, it was about a woman that you couldn't hold a candle to"

Don, you're savvy enough to realize that you sort of made it about Quentin. Wells would have still linked to your thoughts on Cathryn had you not taken the shots against QT.

comment #14

Don Murphy says ...

Crazynine- I at no point used the article for settling scores. I was telling the truth. In order to explain why I will be forever in Cathryn's debt, I needed to explain how she had helped us when QT was wronging us. I have not thought of these events or even QT in at least 7 years, but in the wake of Cathryn's death I have to again. I have nothing against QT anymore and wish him only the best. But the fact is in 1992/1993 he fucked me to my face and Cathryn helped me not get fucked. No ax- just ancient history.

Cathryn would never go on the internet or anywhere and attack a person she didn't know- she was polite and classy. You do that regularly, which is why you couldn't hold a candle to her.

comment #15

Nork says ...

Hmmmm... could this be the start of the final, mud-slinging phase of this year's Oscar campaign?

I wonder what kind of long-ago dirt concerning the other contenders in the race will be dug up and spread throughout the blogs.

comment #16

Miserable says ...

Maybe QT has a problem with professional women. Look at him him in that hot-shot directors video. He's in Kathryn Bigelow's personal space -- flopping his arms around her like an octopus getting a frontal lobotomy.

comment #17

BurmaShave says ...

Ahhh so that's where Hamsher came from, before she became one of the most frustratingly psychotic liberals this side of DailyKos. And I say frustrating as a liberal.

comment #18

BizzarroJeffWells says ...

I'd be bitter, too. Especially if I lost out on all that sweet TRANSFORMERS cash.

comment #19

nightheat says ...

Jane Hamsher is a hero. She's done more than Tarantino, Don Murphy, Jaymes, combined... movies are fun, but Jane is doing serious work over at Firedoglake.

What she's been doing there is fckin amazing.

comment #20

SnarfTheFierce says ...

Lord. Murphy's sorry attempts to deflect how he clearly turned his "obit" into his umpteenth Tarantino axe-grind (complete with potshot at Jane Hamsher) are even more depressing considering that we're still, ostensibly, discussing an untimely death.

I didn't know Cathryn Jaymes, nor know of her, until today, and Jeff's two posts regarding her passing. That all I know of her career is that she was once fired by Quentin Tarantino speaks volumes regarding the "memorializing" at hand.

comment #21

Don Murphy says ...

SnarfTheTurd - because you didn't know the woman she is somehow less than worthy? You pathetic loser hiding behind a stupid moniker. Sucks to be you.

comment #22

arturobandini2 says ...

I second nightheat's support of Hamsher's blogging. It's pretty brave, and not at all psychotic, for a liberal pundit to hold Obama to his campaign pledges. Don't know her personally, but I'm impressed by her take-no-bullshit progressive credentials.

And if Cathryn Jaymes herself believed QT brought on her illness, who are his fanboys to attack her assertion posthumously? Profound depression is a major contributor to cancer -- that's hardly news.

comment #23

Eloi Manning says ...

"And if Cathryn Jaymes herself believed QT brought on her illness, who are his fanboys to attack her assertion posthumously? Profound depression is a major contributor to cancer -- that's hardly news."

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/stress

Scientifically unproven.

comment #24

Eloi Manning says ...

And you don't have to be a QT "fanboy" to disagree with the principle of blaming cancer on somebody because they fired you.

comment #25

Uncle Milty says ...

Now the QT bashers are claiming he causes cancer. I'm not sure if it's just pathetic or hilarious.

I think I know where DZ will stand on this issue.

comment #26

Don Murphy says ...

EloiManning You don't get it and likely never will, but I will try.... The boy took and took and took for ten years. Took energy, took love. Through Res Dogs if she made $5,000 off of him I would be shocked. But he promises to be with her forever, swears to be loyal till the end of days. Then he makes it, becomes the most famous director since Hitchcock. Yes through his talent- but she played a VITAL part. And he not only FIRES her he has someone else do it. This is what is known as a shock to the system. Just as bad as getting hit by a car.

comment #27

SnarfTheFierce says ...

Uh, Don, the point was that I SHOULD know more about her now, as whatever great things she did should be today's topic of discussion, not how you got "fucked" by QT, a malevolent beast who somehow caused Jaymes's cancer. I don't know anything about whether the poor woman was "worthy," because I'm a little confused as to what said "worthiness" would be in relation to.

Really, if you're going to misread something, at least make it a plausible misinterpretation.

Also, "SnarfTheTurd?" I mean, it's the Internet, so I'm not expecting the King's English here, but sweet Jesus.

comment #28

michael says ...

Don, why would you even answer someone who calls themselves "Snarf the turd" ? The name alone tells us that nothing intelligent is going to be said. I'm very sorry for your loss and on behalf of the message board and comments section here at HE, I appologize for the foolish things being said to you.

comment #29

SnarfTheFierce says ...

"This is what is known as a shock to the system. Just as bad as getting hit by a car."

Dude. Yes, if your story is true (and calm yourself, I have no idea whether it is or isn't), it's bad behavior on Tarantino's part. I'm sure most people would agree.

What then do you want? The guy to abdicate his career? To self-immolate? Try though you might, you're not going to convince the sane readers here that Tarantino caused your friend's cancer. I offer my condolences--in all seriousness--and grief does strange things. But if you're going to carry it this far, you need to be called out on it.

comment #30

Don Murphy says ...

Thanks Michael. It's always one or two heroes that decide to attack because their mommy's never loved them very much. None of it will bring Cathryn back or make her any less of a great woman.

comment #31

Don Murphy says ...

SnarftheTurd - learn to read- Waxman said that he caused the cancer not I.

comment #32

mccool says ...

Whatever Murphy's intentions here, this "obit" comes off as self-righteous and vindictive, and not as a tribute to his departed friend.

HE is a place of so much hate and anger and negative energy, this type of thing is only natural. I'm sure Murphy is deeply mourning her loss and is a decent fellow overall, but this obit doesn't flatter anyone.

Could have written something like "representing someone who wronged us....she was professional, never betraying her client, but went to great lengths to make things right with us," instead of launching a character attack against Tarantino. He's the easy target for the anger Murphy's likely feeling, but it should have been left out altogether

comment #33

BizzarroJeffWells says ...

Murphy, if it helps, I dated a professor in college who looked EXACTLY like Hamsher (when she was younger and hotter, of course). Nailed her pretty hard and dropped her.

Gotcha back, bro.

comment #34

Don Murphy says ...

mccool in order to attack someone's character they need to have some. Again, I only wrote the truth. Thanks for your anonymous opinion, now fuck right off.

comment #35

TheJeff says ...

I don't know what comment of UncleMilty's Jeff deleted, but after Murphy inexplicably referred to him as "Unclebabyraper" and called him an "ignorant fucking pussbag" in the previous thread, I don't think anything that UncleMilty responded with would have been uncalled for. Anyone else would have been banned for that. Hell, I'm surprised that Wells hasn't banned Murphy for carrying an extra 100 pounds and wearing that ridiculous hat.

comment #36

Don Murphy says ...

theJeff an extra 30 pounds thank you and that hat is MAGIC. I know magic confuses douches like yourself, but hey, McDonalds does need fry chefs.

comment #37

TheJeff says ...

A douche confused by magic hats, [i]and[/i] McDonald's fry chef: non sequitur insults par excellence! I have truly been shamed by a master of rhetoric. I take it all back and hang my head in shame. No wonder Wells keeps you around!

comment #38

Renfield says ...

Wow.

Just...

Wow.

comment #39

mccool says ...

Murph, sorry for your loss ... sincerely ... was just trying to offer some insight as to why so many people found your tribute to be in poor taste.

Self-reflection. Try it some time.

comment #40

DeeZee says ...

*My* comment got taken down entirely. I basically said that QT won't win, anyway because the Academy doesn't reward snuff films or plagiarism.
But speaking of the guy's tendency to throw people under the bus... http://kissaki.tripod.com/QT.htm

Miserable: I think he has a problem with women who make him look even uglier in person.

Deathtongue: "You have to love the ironic overlap that Tarantino and Murphy separated themselves from Avary and Hamsher in the aftermath and the work took noticeable dips in both cases."

Transformers is a career dip? Of course, no one mentions QT's failed broadway performance or how the only reason he made a come-back was because he cashed in on the success of the Matrix, but without Pitt, his last movie would have been another Grindhouse.

nine: "if Murphy and Avary were really such artistic geniuses as they (or more accurately, their third-party defenders) claim to be, how come Tarantino continued to have the artistic success, and they didn't?"

Because QT had Disney and Weinstein money to play with, and they had to settle for whoever would notice them?

Milty: "I think I know where DZ will stand on this issue."

Nope. Not going there.

comment #41

mccool says ...

fake zelter, you've always got to copy your original before posting to HE....Jeff is a notorious redactor and censor.

comment #42

arturobandini2 says ...

Eloi, the link you posted provides ample evidence that psychological stress lowers immunity to disease. If depression contributing to cancer is indeed "scientifically unproven," that link is, at best, inconclusive.

I don't hate Quentin Tarantino, but I'm grossed out by the teeming hardons of his fanbase. His movies are wildly overrated. His ego bubbles over every time he opens his mouth. And he spits on people on live television. Anyone who calls him a genius or thinks he's incapable of causing severe, life-altering grief is blind to the obvious.

comment #43

MechanicalShark says ...

If Cathryn is as nice as Murphy says she was, wouldn't the best tribute to her memory be to bury the hatchet, not pour lemon juice in old wounds?

comment #44

Renfield says ...

Good point, Shark. My thoughts exactly.

comment #45

Uncle Milty says ...

Wow, Jeff. You deleted my post but keep everything up that Murphy writes? Just amazing...

Fuck you, cunt.

comment #46

Uncle Milty says ...

And Murphy is just an untalented pussy that looks exactly like the stereotypical child molester.

Jaymes is in a better place, no longer having to breath the same air as you, fat fuck. .

comment #47

Gordon27 says ...

"Cathryn would never go on the internet or anywhere and attack a person she didn't know- she was polite and classy. You do that regularly, which is why you couldn't hold a candle to her."

I've never seen you post a single thing on the Internet that wasn't you attacking somebody you don't know, Don. But to do so in a thread devoted to her memory is pretty tacky even by your standards.

comment #48

Gordon27 says ...

"an extra 30 pounds thank you"

He meant your whole body, Don, not just your neck.

comment #49

Gordon27 says ...

"But speaking of the guy's tendency to throw people under the bus... "

Here's a link that has nothing to do with that. But, also, I find it ironic that you continually charge Tarantino with 'plagiarism" by citing a list of charges that you didn't come up with and that you rarely give any credit to.

And now that 'Basterds' is guaranteed to not just get nominated for Best Picture (which you guaranteed it wouldn't) but Best Director as well, you just recycle the same exact arguments you made about how it couldn't get nominated for why it can't win. You're an even bigger joke than Don Murphy, DZ, and that's really difficult.

comment #50

DeeZee says ...

Gordon: "by citing a list of charges that you didn't come up with and that you rarely give any credit to."

I just provided a link.

comment #51

Gordon27 says ...

RIght, after years of spouting that guy's shit uncredited.

On the other hand, I'd really like to believe you wrote that 11 years ago and have still been believing the same tired shit since then.

comment #52

Don Murphy says ...

Gordon27- some day I'll id you. This I promise.

comment #53

DeeZee says ...

Gordon: Nope. Some girl wrote it, I think.

comment #54

Gordon27 says ...

"some day I'll id you. This I promise."

It's not very hard -- if you ask nicely, I'll tell you my name again (maybe you should write it down this time, as it would be the third time). Also, if you're going to be really anal about spelling and such (Avery), you should probably not misspell "I.D.".

You look like, smell like, and have the intelligence of a shaved walrus.

comment #55

Don Murphy says ...

I don't believe you've told me before, but sure, here I am asking nicely.

And spelling someone's name correctly is not being anal, it's being literate.

comment #56

Gordon27 says ...

I don't think that insinuating that I'm a liar is asking nicely.

Your paranoid bravado is always sorely missed in your too frequent absences.

comment #57

sam dobbins says ...

Firstly thank you Don for the kind things you say about Cathryn, however she would be extremely unhappy that this has turned into mudslinging, she had no anger, or hate towards anyone, nor did she blame any one for her cancer ( The stress of the business might be another matter) She was a true nurturer, and anyone who came into her life, past or present, she would only want good for them PERIOD ! ! !

IIt really pisses me off that what should be a tribute has turned into something bitter, Cathryn deserves better.And this comes from someone who spent the last few months of her life, including her last moment of her life, by her side.Craig Hamann, my wife Patricia, and I watched Cathryn take her last breath.Also during the last days of her life she had everyday visits from Mark Robert, Candi and Randi Brough, Mark Dacoscos,and his wife Julie, Jeremy Ratchford,all Former clients, and lifelong friends.

Erase all the ego filled bullshit NOW ! Thank you to all the people who have said kind words regarding Cathryn, she was someone trully special, and should be remembered that way, I was blessed to have known Cathryn for almost fifteen years, and I will never forget her for the rest of my life.....she made me believe in myself, in a town that can be very scary at times

comment #58

jbrn says ...

And this comes from someone who spent the last few months of her life, including her last moment of her life, by her side.Craig Hamann, my wife Patricia, and I watched Cathryn take her last breath.Also during the last days of her life she had everyday visits from Mark Robert, Candi and Randi Brough, Mark Dacoscos,and his wife Julie, Jeremy Ratchford,all Former clients, and lifelong friends. itunes gift card email

comment #59

ranking3942 says ...

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comment #60

dachshund says ...

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