This teaser is far too jokey and self-referential.
"Remember that line 'greed is good'? We're making a sequel to that movie!"
"Those cell phones sure were big in the eighties, huh? Isn't that hilarious?"
"Oh my god! Black people in limos!!!"
television: I'm just glad Shia's not channeling his Pie-Boy, Jr. routine for once.
Posted by DeeZee at January 28, 2010 10:54 PM
comment #4
HanekeFanBoyNumberOne says ...
The film being self-referential works because it's also timely. I think it was a decent teaser.
Posted by HanekeFanBoyNumberOne at January 28, 2010 11:14 PM
comment #5
duplicitousdan says ...
[Deleted, poster banned.]
Posted by duplicitousdan at January 28, 2010 11:34 PM
comment #6
googs says ...
"hip hop homies"
Congratulations, you're officially old and white.
Posted by googs at January 28, 2010 11:36 PM
comment #7
DeeZee says ...
duplicit: I think it's more like he jizzed that Douglas might finally be back in action again after blowing his career on one-note paycheck gigs like "The American President" and "One Night at McCool's". Oh, and mellow indie crap like Wonder Boys and King of Kalifornia.
Brolin looks the part. I have a feeling he'll out-Gecko Gordon Gecko in this. He actually manages a mulit million dollar hedge fund in real life. Perfect fit for the new breed of yuppie scum.
I also think Shia is a step up from Sheen. Charlie out-douches him any day of the week.
Televisiontears, first of all, it's a teaser trailer for a sequel, did you expect it NOT to be self referential? The joke about the phone is a clever way of subtly hinting who he is before we get the close up, and it establishes the theme of Gekko being passe after his time behind bars.
Posted by reverent and free at January 29, 2010 1:19 AM
comment #16
reverent and free says ...
I'm interested in Eli Wallach's involvement, since he apparently has enough of a role to receive billing with the main players. The man is 94 years old. It reminds me of Godfather part III, another long delayed sequel he turned up in.
Posted by reverent and free at January 29, 2010 1:26 AM
comment #17
DeeZee says ...
mark: Well, it is just basically a low-key Dead Poets Society, so...
Michael Douglas has one of the all time great voices. His narration is always great - easily the best thing about the Munich Olympics doco.
My theory on why Carey Mulligan's year-long campaign has born little fruit is because of her hairstyle. She's an pretty woman who has dulled her fresh appeal with Clairol red and a cut that makes her look alternately like a homely geography teacher or a 4-year-old boy. That chop needs someone with stronger facial features - cf Audrey Hepburn's high cheekbones, firm nose, sculpted jaw and shapely peepers. Carey's pug nose and swollen eyes requires a short style, if she's trying to be a gamine, with a bit more volume, choppiness and texture.
@Noiresque, I think it has much more to do with no one seing the film and Sony Pictures simply dumping the film with no PR help at all. Even tho I dont like this short hair, it actually helped Carey to stand out in a pool of generic, white young girls. Every young actress in Hollywwod has the same weight, hair and looks.
Abbie Cornish looks like a new version of Charlize and her film and performance was ignored simply because the film was too small. Carey is lucky to be getting so much attention.
Posted by juligenb at January 29, 2010 4:42 AM
comment #20
BizzarroJeffWells says ...
[Deleted, poster banned.]
Posted by BizzarroJeffWells at January 29, 2010 4:46 AM
This is a golden opportunity for Stone to really comment on the current financial situation in America. I really hope he's not wasting that chance with an ordinary film featuring a bunch of jokes like the ones in that teaser.
Noir: Her hair's fine. I don't think she's hot, like Lex does, but she's a refreshing change of pace from all the trailer-trash tarts Hollywood has been trying to pass off as "it girls" in recent years. Anyway, the real problem is that the concept of young people trying to find themselves in a 60s-era setting has been beaten into the ground one too many times to the point that even Ang Lee couldn't sell his take on the gimmick.
Posted by DeeZee at January 29, 2010 5:07 AM
comment #23
Eloi Manning says ...
Shia's line about Gekko never being rich is a bit clunky.
Boiler Room was alright.
Posted by Eloi Manning at January 29, 2010 5:41 AM
comment #24
Alboone says ...
I WANT TO SEE THIS NOW!!!! Wall Street is one of my favorites. And I don't care if Shia is in it, this is a well cut trailer that actually creates a sense of excitement. The limo gag is priceless.
Posted by Alboone at January 29, 2010 6:13 AM
comment #25
nodirectionhome says ...
Like a few mentioned before its way too referential and comedic in tone and sure I suppose its meant for nostalgic purposes, but this is a follow up to Wall Street not another tween weekend multiplex film; it just made the film appear that much more unnecessary. Maybe Im wrong I wont know until Spring, but besides the pace of the trailer, the film itself looks too flashy as though to overcompensate for something; ie script, director ? I doubt Stone has the ability to reinvent himself or even maintain the craft he mastered almost two decades ago; he's become a director for hire. And I guess in that sense the films trailer reflects Stones current standing in Hollywood.
Posted by nodirectionhome at January 29, 2010 6:50 AM
comment #26
Steven Kar says ...
Why?! Why'd they pick that kid Shia for this movie?! Of all the young actors in Hollywood who would've done a wonderful job playing the part, why Shia? Why not Ben Foster, for example, or Ryan Gosling, or James Franco ... anyone but Shia. Hell, I'd be happy with Gyllenhaal playing the part.
Also, there's the problem of believability: I just don't buy Shia in this role in this movie when he looks to be about 18-years-old.
Other than the prick Shia, I'm quite excited about this movie.
Posted by Steven Kar at January 29, 2010 6:53 AM
comment #27
Eloi Manning says ...
It's only a 90-second teaser. I don't think you can make sweeping judgments like that yet.
What it WILL do is get the hedge fund/trader boys in real life positively erect, and give it a big box office boost. I'm sure this has been designed deliberately to look flashy and slick to attract the financial types who see Gekko as a role model and not a cautionary tale.
Posted by Eloi Manning at January 29, 2010 6:54 AM
comment #28
Bill Bomp Whomper says ...
Saw a picture with Eli Wallach sitting next to Brolin at a boardroom table, sort of low, nondescript. An advisor I'm guessing, or the money-man.
Mulligan is just not all that interesting. If you go to an Animal Collective or Beach House show you will find fifty or sixty rocking the same thing and perhaps more vibrant.
Posted by Bill Bomp Whomper at January 29, 2010 7:02 AM
Were cell phones that big in the 80's? I don't remember, drunk most of the time. The debut of the iPad this week...what a leap in technology. Should have put Zeta-Jones in this as a ballbusting wall street type.
I agree with Kar. As sour as I was about the idea of messing up the legacy of the original, the idea of Gecko emerging from a long prison term is appealing. And the trailer has other actors and ideas that draw me in.
And then comes Shia. No credibility whatsoever. Distractingly unconvincing. All the gravitas of a paper clip. His motorcycle entrance here brought back memories of his spit-take worthy entrance in Indiana Jones. Bloody laughable.
Posted by Mo'Nique Waltz at January 29, 2010 11:01 AM
comment #39
Zach says ...
I have a feeling that most of the self-referential humor that will be in the film was featured in this teaser. As great as the first film was, it's not really a hot topic today, especially with the younger crowd. The point of doing it like this is to remind people, "Hey, there was a movie back in the day called Wall Street. And this is the sequel".
I personally think it looks great - I'm pumped. And Shia... he's definitely way too overexposed and needs to pick his projects better, but I've got a feeling this role will suit him well.
Posted by Zach at January 29, 2010 11:08 AM
comment #40
Snoop Marlo says ...
I'd be shocked if this was anything better than just 'decent'.
Stone's washed-up.
Posted by Snoop Marlo at January 29, 2010 12:39 PM
The Two Jakes ranks up there with Godfather III as the sequel that most violently desecrates the memory of a great movie. Not that the original Wall Street was ever in a class with Chinatown or Godfather I or II.
George, I'm surprised. You must have been having a bad day when you saw Wonder Boys.
Prager, I briefly commented on the "hip-hop homies" (now changed to "homies") thing. I was a little shocked that it was deleted, as it wasn't accusatory or confrontational. Just kind of a shrug of disappointment.
I'm assuming the people who were banned were much more offended by the casually tossed off phrase.
Michael Douglas looks really grizzled in that clip, which is good.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this premise belies a naivete about the criminal justice system. As someone pointed out in an earlier thread, no way does the system lay Gekko low. At worst, he'd be on a Michael Milken track: pay off the SEC,.hire Alan Dershowitz, do two years in a country club prison, start a charity, get pats on the back, go on Larry King, etc.
It amuses me that the people calling DZ out leave out his comment about 'One Night at McCool's'. I'm assuming I'm the only person who's seen this movie (that is, in the world), and I can confidently say that it's not in any way the standard "one-note" Michael Douglas performance DZ ascribes to it. It's a terrible movie, but he's actually surprisingly good in it, and plays a character he's never played before or since.
But I do love watching his bitterness kick in; notice that, for DZ, the worst thing an actor can do is be high-paid.
Posted by Bob Violence at January 30, 2010 6:19 AM
comment #48
reverent and free says ...
Dangovich, I heard that in at least one version of the script, Gekko does flee the country, but decides to come back and serve his sentence years later.
Posted by reverent and free at January 30, 2010 10:35 PM
comment #1
televisiontears
says ...
This teaser is far too jokey and self-referential.
"Remember that line 'greed is good'? We're making a sequel to that movie!"
"Those cell phones sure were big in the eighties, huh? Isn't that hilarious?"
"Oh my god! Black people in limos!!!"
What crazy times we live in.
Posted by televisiontears
at January 28, 2010 10:48 PM
comment #2
televisiontears
says ...
[Deleted.]
Posted by televisiontears
at January 28, 2010 10:49 PM
comment #3
DeeZee
says ...
television: I'm just glad Shia's not channeling his Pie-Boy, Jr. routine for once.
Posted by DeeZee
at January 28, 2010 10:54 PM
comment #4
HanekeFanBoyNumberOne
says ...
The film being self-referential works because it's also timely. I think it was a decent teaser.
Posted by HanekeFanBoyNumberOne
at January 28, 2010 11:14 PM
comment #5
duplicitousdan
says ...
[Deleted, poster banned.]
Posted by duplicitousdan
at January 28, 2010 11:34 PM
comment #6
googs
says ...
"hip hop homies"
Congratulations, you're officially old and white.
Posted by googs
at January 28, 2010 11:36 PM
comment #7
DeeZee
says ...
duplicit: I think it's more like he jizzed that Douglas might finally be back in action again after blowing his career on one-note paycheck gigs like "The American President" and "One Night at McCool's". Oh, and mellow indie crap like Wonder Boys and King of Kalifornia.
Posted by DeeZee
at January 28, 2010 11:48 PM
comment #8
DeeZee
says ...
er, California.
Posted by DeeZee
at January 28, 2010 11:48 PM
comment #9
LexG
says ...
Were those Mulligan's feet? YAAAAAY.
I wasn't entirely sold on Mulligan when Jeff started talking her up, but now I TOTALLY get it. She's DREAMY.
Posted by LexG
at January 29, 2010 12:00 AM
comment #10
Deathtongue_Groupie
says ...
"...one-note paycheck gigs like "The American President"... Oh, and mellow indie crap like Wonder Boys..."
And I thought he sounded like an idiot when he talked about box office projections. Apparently, Young Daniel is multi-"talented"
Posted by Deathtongue_Groupie
at January 29, 2010 12:16 AM
comment #11
googs
says ...
Brolin looks the part. I have a feeling he'll out-Gecko Gordon Gecko in this. He actually manages a mulit million dollar hedge fund in real life. Perfect fit for the new breed of yuppie scum.
I also think Shia is a step up from Sheen. Charlie out-douches him any day of the week.
Posted by googs
at January 29, 2010 12:29 AM
comment #12
JSS
says ...
Wall Street: Port of Call Hoboken
Posted by JSS
at January 29, 2010 12:29 AM
comment #13
markj
says ...
Only DeeZee would think Wonder Boys was crap.
Posted by markj
at January 29, 2010 1:11 AM
comment #14
frankbooth
says ...
Wall Street: The Two Jakes.
Posted by frankbooth
at January 29, 2010 1:12 AM
comment #15
reverent and free
says ...
Televisiontears, first of all, it's a teaser trailer for a sequel, did you expect it NOT to be self referential? The joke about the phone is a clever way of subtly hinting who he is before we get the close up, and it establishes the theme of Gekko being passe after his time behind bars.
Posted by reverent and free
at January 29, 2010 1:19 AM
comment #16
reverent and free
says ...
I'm interested in Eli Wallach's involvement, since he apparently has enough of a role to receive billing with the main players. The man is 94 years old. It reminds me of Godfather part III, another long delayed sequel he turned up in.
Posted by reverent and free
at January 29, 2010 1:26 AM
comment #17
DeeZee
says ...
mark: Well, it is just basically a low-key Dead Poets Society, so...
Posted by DeeZee
at January 29, 2010 2:11 AM
comment #18
Noiresque
says ...
Michael Douglas has one of the all time great voices. His narration is always great - easily the best thing about the Munich Olympics doco.
My theory on why Carey Mulligan's year-long campaign has born little fruit is because of her hairstyle. She's an pretty woman who has dulled her fresh appeal with Clairol red and a cut that makes her look alternately like a homely geography teacher or a 4-year-old boy. That chop needs someone with stronger facial features - cf Audrey Hepburn's high cheekbones, firm nose, sculpted jaw and shapely peepers. Carey's pug nose and swollen eyes requires a short style, if she's trying to be a gamine, with a bit more volume, choppiness and texture.
Posted by Noiresque
at January 29, 2010 3:32 AM
comment #19
juligenb
says ...
@Noiresque, I think it has much more to do with no one seing the film and Sony Pictures simply dumping the film with no PR help at all. Even tho I dont like this short hair, it actually helped Carey to stand out in a pool of generic, white young girls. Every young actress in Hollywwod has the same weight, hair and looks.
Abbie Cornish looks like a new version of Charlize and her film and performance was ignored simply because the film was too small. Carey is lucky to be getting so much attention.
Posted by juligenb
at January 29, 2010 4:42 AM
comment #20
BizzarroJeffWells
says ...
[Deleted, poster banned.]
Posted by BizzarroJeffWells
at January 29, 2010 4:46 AM
comment #21
Ray
says ...
This is a golden opportunity for Stone to really comment on the current financial situation in America. I really hope he's not wasting that chance with an ordinary film featuring a bunch of jokes like the ones in that teaser.
Posted by Ray
at January 29, 2010 4:55 AM
comment #22
DeeZee
says ...
Noir: Her hair's fine. I don't think she's hot, like Lex does, but she's a refreshing change of pace from all the trailer-trash tarts Hollywood has been trying to pass off as "it girls" in recent years. Anyway, the real problem is that the concept of young people trying to find themselves in a 60s-era setting has been beaten into the ground one too many times to the point that even Ang Lee couldn't sell his take on the gimmick.
Posted by DeeZee
at January 29, 2010 5:07 AM
comment #23
Eloi Manning
says ...
Shia's line about Gekko never being rich is a bit clunky.
Boiler Room was alright.
Posted by Eloi Manning
at January 29, 2010 5:41 AM
comment #24
Alboone
says ...
I WANT TO SEE THIS NOW!!!! Wall Street is one of my favorites. And I don't care if Shia is in it, this is a well cut trailer that actually creates a sense of excitement. The limo gag is priceless.
Posted by Alboone
at January 29, 2010 6:13 AM
comment #25
nodirectionhome
says ...
Like a few mentioned before its way too referential and comedic in tone and sure I suppose its meant for nostalgic purposes, but this is a follow up to Wall Street not another tween weekend multiplex film; it just made the film appear that much more unnecessary. Maybe Im wrong I wont know until Spring, but besides the pace of the trailer, the film itself looks too flashy as though to overcompensate for something; ie script, director ? I doubt Stone has the ability to reinvent himself or even maintain the craft he mastered almost two decades ago; he's become a director for hire. And I guess in that sense the films trailer reflects Stones current standing in Hollywood.
Posted by nodirectionhome
at January 29, 2010 6:50 AM
comment #26
Steven Kar
says ...
Why?! Why'd they pick that kid Shia for this movie?! Of all the young actors in Hollywood who would've done a wonderful job playing the part, why Shia? Why not Ben Foster, for example, or Ryan Gosling, or James Franco ... anyone but Shia. Hell, I'd be happy with Gyllenhaal playing the part.
Also, there's the problem of believability: I just don't buy Shia in this role in this movie when he looks to be about 18-years-old.
Other than the prick Shia, I'm quite excited about this movie.
Posted by Steven Kar
at January 29, 2010 6:53 AM
comment #27
Eloi Manning
says ...
It's only a 90-second teaser. I don't think you can make sweeping judgments like that yet.
What it WILL do is get the hedge fund/trader boys in real life positively erect, and give it a big box office boost. I'm sure this has been designed deliberately to look flashy and slick to attract the financial types who see Gekko as a role model and not a cautionary tale.
Posted by Eloi Manning
at January 29, 2010 6:54 AM
comment #28
Bill Bomp Whomper
says ...
Saw a picture with Eli Wallach sitting next to Brolin at a boardroom table, sort of low, nondescript. An advisor I'm guessing, or the money-man.
Mulligan is just not all that interesting. If you go to an Animal Collective or Beach House show you will find fifty or sixty rocking the same thing and perhaps more vibrant.
Posted by Bill Bomp Whomper
at January 29, 2010 7:02 AM
comment #29
Movie Watcher
says ...
Were cell phones that big in the 80's? I don't remember, drunk most of the time. The debut of the iPad this week...what a leap in technology. Should have put Zeta-Jones in this as a ballbusting wall street type.
Posted by Movie Watcher
at January 29, 2010 8:00 AM
comment #30
Mo'Nique Waltz
says ...
I've never seen anything that Shia LaBeef has been in, except for an ep of F&G. this might be my first.
Posted by Mo'Nique Waltz
at January 29, 2010 9:03 AM
comment #31
dinther
says ...
I agree with Kar. As sour as I was about the idea of messing up the legacy of the original, the idea of Gecko emerging from a long prison term is appealing. And the trailer has other actors and ideas that draw me in.
And then comes Shia. No credibility whatsoever. Distractingly unconvincing. All the gravitas of a paper clip. His motorcycle entrance here brought back memories of his spit-take worthy entrance in Indiana Jones. Bloody laughable.
Posted by dinther
at January 29, 2010 9:05 AM
comment #32
BurmaShave
says ...
"one-note paycheck gigs like "The American President" "
"mellow indie crap like Wonder Boys"
D, you have not seen these movies. Why not just troll about movies you've seen that don't appeal to your horrible taste?
Posted by BurmaShave
at January 29, 2010 9:18 AM
comment #33
nemo
says ...
Drive-by dissing of Wonder Boys? We already knew you don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by nemo
at January 29, 2010 9:37 AM
comment #34
Mo'Nique Waltz
says ...
WONDER BOYS is great and I have always had a soft spot for HE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, even if it does drip with it's liberal agenda.
Posted by Mo'Nique Waltz
at January 29, 2010 9:45 AM
comment #35
Punchdrunk
says ...
DZ hasn't seen Wonderboys, American President, or Dead Poets Society.
He has admitted to seeing and loving Boondock Saints.
So that's who we're dealing with.
Posted by Punchdrunk
at January 29, 2010 9:46 AM
comment #36
Snoop Marlo
says ...
Kar: Shia's in it, and Gosling is not, because of Shia's Box Office Clout. Simple as that.
I saw Mulligan at the Golden Globes. She's waifish & pretty, but she has bad posture. Doesn't walk confidently at all.
Posted by Snoop Marlo
at January 29, 2010 10:06 AM
comment #37
Rich S.
says ...
Talk about referential. I expected the prison checkout bit at the beginning to end with, "one prophylactic, soiled."
Posted by Rich S.
at January 29, 2010 10:55 AM
comment #38
Mo'Nique Waltz
says ...
Not sure about the tomboy do on Casey Mulligan.
Posted by Mo'Nique Waltz
at January 29, 2010 11:01 AM
comment #39
Zach
says ...
I have a feeling that most of the self-referential humor that will be in the film was featured in this teaser. As great as the first film was, it's not really a hot topic today, especially with the younger crowd. The point of doing it like this is to remind people, "Hey, there was a movie back in the day called Wall Street. And this is the sequel".
I personally think it looks great - I'm pumped. And Shia... he's definitely way too overexposed and needs to pick his projects better, but I've got a feeling this role will suit him well.
Posted by Zach
at January 29, 2010 11:08 AM
comment #40
Snoop Marlo
says ...
I'd be shocked if this was anything better than just 'decent'.
Stone's washed-up.
Posted by Snoop Marlo
at January 29, 2010 12:39 PM
comment #41
George Prager
says ...
WONDER BOYS is a C+ two and half stars movie. Good book, though. And why are all of these people getting deleted/banned?
Posted by George Prager
at January 29, 2010 12:50 PM
comment #42
nemo
says ...
"Wall Street: The Two Jakes."
Ouch! I hope it's not that bad.
The Two Jakes ranks up there with Godfather III as the sequel that most violently desecrates the memory of a great movie. Not that the original Wall Street was ever in a class with Chinatown or Godfather I or II.
George, I'm surprised. You must have been having a bad day when you saw Wonder Boys.
Posted by nemo
at January 29, 2010 2:05 PM
comment #43
Snoop Marlo
says ...
Jeff with WIFI = No Bans
Jeff without WIFI = Ban Central.
Posted by Snoop Marlo
at January 29, 2010 2:06 PM
comment #44
televisiontears
says ...
Prager, I briefly commented on the "hip-hop homies" (now changed to "homies") thing. I was a little shocked that it was deleted, as it wasn't accusatory or confrontational. Just kind of a shrug of disappointment.
I'm assuming the people who were banned were much more offended by the casually tossed off phrase.
Posted by televisiontears
at January 29, 2010 2:18 PM
comment #45
dangovich
says ...
Michael Douglas looks really grizzled in that clip, which is good.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this premise belies a naivete about the criminal justice system. As someone pointed out in an earlier thread, no way does the system lay Gekko low. At worst, he'd be on a Michael Milken track: pay off the SEC,.hire Alan Dershowitz, do two years in a country club prison, start a charity, get pats on the back, go on Larry King, etc.
Posted by dangovich
at January 29, 2010 3:13 PM
comment #46
Gordon27
says ...
It amuses me that the people calling DZ out leave out his comment about 'One Night at McCool's'. I'm assuming I'm the only person who's seen this movie (that is, in the world), and I can confidently say that it's not in any way the standard "one-note" Michael Douglas performance DZ ascribes to it. It's a terrible movie, but he's actually surprisingly good in it, and plays a character he's never played before or since.
But I do love watching his bitterness kick in; notice that, for DZ, the worst thing an actor can do is be high-paid.
Posted by Gordon27
at January 29, 2010 5:59 PM
comment #47
Bob Violence
says ...
[Deleted, poster banned.]
Posted by Bob Violence
at January 30, 2010 6:19 AM
comment #48
reverent and free
says ...
Dangovich, I heard that in at least one version of the script, Gekko does flee the country, but decides to come back and serve his sentence years later.
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at January 30, 2010 10:35 PM
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