comment #1

Ray DeRousse says ...

Saw this the other day on CHUD. After all these years of watching this movie, I cannot believe I didn't notice it.

Usually I pick up on little boys pointing to their genitals right away.

comment #2

Ray DeRousse says ...

Interesting: The kid in question, Dannel Evans, left show business shortly after this movie. He's now 32 years old.

The only news about him is this factoid from 2004:

"On 05-23-04, Dannel Evans, age 26, of the 800 block of Quince Orchard Blvd., in Gaithersburg was arrested and charged with First-degree Assault. The arrest was the result of an incident on Quince Orchard Blvd in Gaithersburg on the same day."

In other words, the kid was bad news from the start.

comment #3

googs says ...

gangster. i bet you that dude still uses that move to this day. "come and get it, ladies".

comment #4

BurmaShave says ...

That's like two blocks from my girlfriend's place, very odd.

comment #5

HeyJayBee says ...

Supposedly - from what I have read online - that the kid was trying to signal someone off camera that he had to go pee.

As for a "why did they leave this in?" shot...the ultimate comes just before the credits roll in Teen Wolf. In the upper left corner of the screen after they win the game, you can see an extra has his dick hanging out of his pants...btw, Teen Wolf has been running on HBO Family for the past several months :-)

comment #6

Monument says ...

The kid has to pee, seems obvious to me, but definitely strange to leave it in; I can't believe the editors never saw this.

comment #7

actionman says ...

god i love all three of these movies. fuckin' movie magic.

comment #8

EnglishBob says ...

Huh. Looks to me like the kid simply heard the director tell the cameraman when he wanted the shot to dolly in...and was simply signaling someone to do it. The camera does start moving in the second the kid starts gesturing...

comment #9

Eloi Manning says ...

Disney have a bunch of dirty inclusions that slipped past the top brass. In Aladdin, when he's talking to Jasmine on the balcony, you can hear him whisper "Take off your clothes!" And after the stampede in The Lion King, some of the dust forms the word "SEX" in the air. There was also a big golden penis drawn on the video cover of The Little Mermaid.

Back to the Future is an amazing film. The sequels aren't as good, but still top drawer entertainment. They really don't make them like this anymore.

comment #10

HeyJayBee says ...

I think the difference between BTTF/TW/NBN and the Disney Animated films is that they were intentional jokes the animators snuck in. There are a few such jokes in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

With BTTF/TW/NBN they were things either everyone in the studio missed, or just felt no one would really notice.

comment #11

BurmaShave says ...

Eloi, aren't some of those urban legends

comment #12

Josh Massey says ...

BTTF 2 and 3 always felt rushed to me. I really enjoyed both films, but the scripts REALLY could have used another draft.

How is that kid 32, by the way? That would put him at 11 or 12 in the movie, and he doesn't look that old.

comment #13

dangovich says ...

Yeah, I agree, EnglishBob. It's like the kid is directing the shot.

comment #14

Josh Massey says ...

Oh, and my favorite factoid of late: If they remade Back to the Future today, Marty McFly would go to 1980.

Just damn.

comment #15

Eloi Manning says ...

"Eloi, aren't some of those urban legends"

No, they're all real. There's clips and things on YouTube. There was also a photo of a naked woman in the background in another cartoon - can't remember which. Think that was the inspiration for the Fight Club scene with Tyler putting in a frame of a cock.

comment #16

DeeZee says ...

I actually liked the threequel back when I was younger, but seeing that clip now can't keep me from thinking of Cannibal the Musical. Someone needs to do a mash-up trailer of those two films.

comment #17

BurmaShave says ...

Eloi, doesn't surprise me, I just remember when I was a kid there was some Baptist on 60 Minutes railing about it and I'd though most of what he said was refuted. Erections in THE LITTLE MERMAID and stuff.

comment #18

lipranzer says ...

I don't think I've ever watched the sequels to BACK TO THE FUTURE in their entirety. I love the first one, of course, but for the sequels, there just seemed no point. I do remember sort of liking Mary Steenburgen in the last one.

comment #19

CMed1 says ...

It was THE RESCUERS that had a shot of a naked woman in the background on a window.

comment #20

Hog Hug says ...

Eloi,

In the Lion King, the dust forms "SFX" as in Special F/X.

In Aladdin, what he actually says is ""Nice kitty, take off and go, go on."

And on the cover of The Little Mermaid...well, they really do look like penises. Plus in the movie itself there's the priest with an erection (which is supposedly his knee).

comment #21

Eloi Manning says ...

Aladdin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4piZV5wPrw

Lion King: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skD2gyP1cCs

Mermaid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFLnzeQjWw

Rescuers; plus others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_4Pe_kPNb0

comment #22

Eloi Manning says ...

And totally unrelated to movies, here's Britney saying "Sleep with me, I'm not too young."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGY95TsZvYY

comment #23

BurmaShave says ...

Eloi, I don't buy it with Alladin. One of those you can hear anything that's been placed in your mind things.

comment #24

Eloi Manning says ...

I'm not sure about the "Good teenagers" bit, but I'm sure he's saying "Take off your clothes."

Me and a friend spent about an hour rewinding and listening to the VHS on maximum volume when we were younger. It was great playground knowledge.

comment #25

reverent and free says ...

The picture was shot in a hurry (simultaneously with 2), so that may have been the only useable take. Obviously a casual viewer's attention is shifted to the lower left corner of the screen, away from the kid, so they probably did notice it in editing, but said hell with it.

comment #26

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

This is too fucking surreal - just 2 days ago I was flipping channels for some snack time viewing and decided to watch the end of this just to see how the shot of the "super train" held up.

comment #27

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

It was great playground knowledge because you really wanted it to be true more than it was actually true. I'm probably around the same age as you are, I remember all this talk.

None of it really holds up, though. Like in a court of law or something. Most of it is urban legend, and your mind/eyes/ears twisting cartoons just enough so they seem filthy (it doesn't usually take much effort). The Rescuers bit seems legit, although I'm not sure why a topless painting on wall in a frame that moves by too fast is shocking, or even particularly out of place in a Disney movie.

This BTtFIII vid clip is hilarious, btw. Sending it to everyone I know, and inexplicably almost no one had caught this previously. But I have a feeling a pretty big part of this is due to the fact that this is easily the ugly duckling of what is overall a pretty entertaining trilogy.

comment #28

Wiggumx says ...

"I actually liked the threequel back when I was younger, but seeing that clip now can't keep me from thinking of Cannibal the Musical. Someone needs to do a mash-up trailer of those two films. "

Because DeeZee has only seen Dragonball Evolution and Troma pictures.

comment #29

Eloi Manning says ...

Kaned: The "SEX" thing in The Lion King is debatable, for sure, but I'll go to my grave thinking Aladdin said "Take off your clothes!" I literally spend hours deducing this with a pal. The sound mix alone suggests it was inserted on the sly.

comment #30

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

DtG -- Did you notice anything unusual when re-watching it 2 days ago? Granted, it's not the hardest thing in the world to miss, I'm just surprised how almost nobody called this blooper out before. It's not even listed under the imdb goofs page -- but admittedly there really aren't any categories that something like this could be easily classified under.

comment #31

reverent and free says ...

Citizenkanned, yeah I think part 2 is easily the best. It's a true sci-fi film that actually demands that the viewer pay attention to and keep track of a very complex plot. Time travel is a perfect storytelling device for a sequel, because it allows the ability to literally revisit the first film and expand on it.

comment #32

Matthew Lucas says ...

@Eloi

Aladdin is saying "Take off and go" not "take off your clothes."

As far as the Back to the Future clip goes, I agree with Monument. The kid has to pee.

comment #33

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

I like you, R&F. I have been trumpeting BtFP2 for years. I know I'm in the vast minority here, but I actually think it's superior to the original. It's just so much damn fun. Plays with all the time travel traditions and cliches, plus it almost plays like a parody film in the way that it repeats the events of the first film only in a very warped and cheeky way. GREAT sequel.

As for the Aladdin thing, I have to admit that one's still pretty close. Definitely a lot post audio going on in that scene, and I'll be damned it he starts off saying "good kitty." Really doesn't sound anything like that at all. When dialogue is garbled like that, it really does lend itself to being interpreted in a myriad of ways, and it sounds at least as much as "good teenagers" as anything it's supposed to sound like.

I think the second part still sounds like "take off and go, but I don't think it helps that "take off your clothes" makes a certain amount of sense to a perverted mind (be it adolescent or adult!) given the on-screen visual reaction of Jasmine at that very moment.

I only know one thing for sure: whoever the hell mixed this scene was either a very incompetent sound-mixer, or a very, very clever prankster who may or may not have been disgruntled with Disney.

comment #34

UnChien says ...

I still think Evil Frank from the Cliffhanger opening is the most blatant WTF? http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/338717&mvpageno=1

comment #35

DeeZee says ...

Kane: You're not in the minority. The sequel was awesome. I think people expected it to be more of Marty trying to adapt to, blend in with, and show up another era, but that'd be a boring film. So Zemeckis obviously decided he needed to up the stakes. Personally, in terms of trilogies, I've always felt BTTF and Indiana Jones [As far as I'm concerned, Crystal Skull didn't happen, and if it did, it's an alternate reality thing, and the Darabont script is the true installment to the series.] were way more satisfying than Star Wars-probably because Luke always irrelevant to the story, and the whole father/sister thing's about the only reason for him to be in the movie. And I dig Mark Hammill as cartoon The Joker, too.

Anyway, pretty dull news day, so maybe Jeff will dig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS7xDS24GGE . And that Twilight werewolf guy is taking on a role which requires a bit more of a "stretch" of his talent.
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.accesshollywood.com/taylor-lautner-stretch-into-latest-role

comment #36

Steven Kar says ...

Whatever happened to Zemeckis?

I haven't cared about or looked forward to a single movie he has done since 2000's CASTAWAY. He used to be one of my favourite Hollywood filmmakers.

I can't bring myself to watch more than 7 minutes of THE POLAR EXPRESS, I was bored during BEOWULF and don't remember a thing about the movie, I have no interest in seeing A CHRISTMAS CAROL, and I can't say that I'm looking forward to YELLOW SUBMARINE when it comes in 2012. By then, he wouldn't have made a proper movie for 12 years.

I don't mind animation. I've liked almost every movie Pixar has made, but Zemeckis' animated movies just don't do it for me.

comment #37

DeeZee says ...

Oh, and another one for Jeff via C+L. Smile, you're on Palin camera. http://tinyurl.com/yjagwp2

comment #38

DeeZee says ...

Irony alert for Lex. http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.ap.org/alba-not-flattered-attempt-look-like-her-ap

comment #39

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Well, thanks for that opinion, Dee (but no thanks for the four links that followed). That's probably the most you've "express yourself" since that best of the decade list you posted a month or so back.

I have a hard time buying all the Star Wars slamming that goes on, though, if we're just talking trilogies. The first two movies in that series are fairly unassailable, if not downright untouchable from a critical point-of-view. If you can't have fun watching the 1977 original, I kinda don't know what to tell you. That movie delivers on just about damn near every level you can ask of cinema, short of any sort of existential Bergman-esque introspection.

It's true there's a bit of drop-off with Jedi, but that's only because the first two entries in the series are so strong. Direct comparisons are silly and sort of pointless, but I don't think BTtF3 or Last Crusade are even anywhere near as good as the third Star Wars.

If you throw in the prequels, this really becomes an entirely different -- and much more complicated -- discussion.

comment #40

LexG says ...

On topic: I always regarded BTTF3 as THE weak leg of that trilogy; The sequels had that nobody-cares afterthought vibe (for me at least) that the MATRIX and PIRATES follow-ups later had-- rushed, too close together-- but I remember liking BTTF2 and seeing it twice in theaters. I totally get that part III is fun for old-movie buffs and Western fans, and that everyone probably had a blast making it; I haven't seen it since opening weekend, and I was all of 17 at the time, but man did it seem dorky back then. I'd probably be more forgiving now, but it's awfully genteel, no? Plus '50s nostalgia always had an appeal even for us '80s kids, the eras being somewhat similar and our own parents having raised us on tales of the that earlier era (remember, Stand by Me was pretty huge around the same time, too). So compared to that, some backlot Western with Dub Taylor shoutouts just wasn't as relatable as a kid.

NOW, OFF TOPIC, but important:

Man, 1990 has been TWENTY YEARS? I'm sure to guys older or younger than me (37 this spring), 1990 was just some other unexceptional year, but, damn, to me that was one of THE years of my life: 1983, 1986, 1990, and 1996 all had this fucking MAGICAL GLOW that I haven't really felt since.

1990 was senior year of high school, I was fairly popular, it was the (to steal an unfortunate phrase from DZ) the beginning of that early "wigger" era, when all the white suburban kids went apeshit for Vanilla Ice and Hammer and Young MC and Humpty Dance, driving around with rattails and mullets, giant torquoise hats floating on our heads, maybe ICE shaved into the back or some some STRIPES on the side, all the black guys rockin' fades, rocking the BUGLE BOYS and the PEGGED PANTS, smoking Newports and Saved by the Bell acid-wash. It was a MAGICAL ERA of early hip-hop, the last great blasts of hair metal (Poison SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN was a prom song, the Dr. Feelgood album by Motley Crue, Firehouse, etc)...

And the movies that summer ROCKED. No one looks back on that as a particulary great slate, but the half-mulleted, rust-tinted, exhaust-fumed frizz-haired likes of DIE HARD 2, DAYS OF THUNDER, GHOST, TOTAL RECALL, FLATLINERS made for one of the most nostalgic, heartbreaking, chain-smoking, what am I gonna be? summers ever... BTTF3 was in there too, but, gotta say, compared to all that urban, gritty, sexy, sleazy 1990 verge of adulthood formative shit, poor Marty McFly seemed awfully flyweight.

comment #41

DeeZee says ...

Kane: It might have something to do with being a child of the home video era, and thus not being around when the first one was in theaters, while having to settle for the Special Edition release in its place. But Luke always seemed like comic relief trying to play the leading man and having his moments to shine chewed up by the supporting cast and Deus Ex Machina plotting.

That's probably why George gave up on the second trilogy[the sequels, not the prequels] -because Luke would be relegated to the Jedi equivalent of a security guard, and we'd finally see Han and co. on some cool adventures without having to back up a total dip-shit resolve his personal problems with boring yoga sessions. And that's why we got what we did with prequels-because George probably thought a young precocious dip-shit was what made the OT so appealing to audiences. As for Indy INO 4, I'm guessing it turned out the way it did, because George thought what people wanted to see was Harry's family reunion, since that's what people liked about 3. Never mind that's only part of what they liked about it.

As for Last Crusade, it's better than Jedi, because it doesn't waste my time with pointless asides like C-3PO trying to impress the Ewoks and that second Death Star being blown up. And BTTF3 is great, because they didn't kill off the cool mentor, just because they wanted to make the lead look more "grown-up" than before.

Lex: You didn't respond to my Alba link. And yeah, '90 wasn't a bad year for movies. Though I still have yet to see Die Hard 2, and hope it's better than Die Hard 4, at least. And for some reason, the New Beverly never screens Godfather III, so I'm looking for the right time to rent it, and hope it's at least better than Marie Antoinette. I think '90 was also the last of the "edgy" John Woo stuff, with Bullet in the Head being a real classic, even if it is a "remake" of(homage to?) Deer Hunter.

comment #42

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Who knew that LexG was such an elfling, just graduating HS in 1990. That's just so..... cute.

comment #43

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Pretty great rant there, Lex. But I have to say...the year (and namely, THE SUMMER) you graduate high school is always going to have a certain tint to it that makes everything feel better: the movies more cinematic, the current events more urgent, the chicks more desirable (admittedly, you pretty much admit

I graduated in 1997, and I'll put my list of summer movies up against yours any day of the fuckin' week. The Fifth Element (bat-shit crazy in all the right French ways), Con Air (retarded as fuck, but FUN, and with the kind of cast u only see in action movies about once every 10 years like the Expendables), Face/Off (John Woo's American swan song as far as I'm concerned...his only American film that even comes close to capturing what made him such an action maestro), Austin Powers (sequels sucked, but first is still solid), Men in Black (ditto), Chasing Amy (okay, so this technically wasn't a summer movie when it was first released, but it took FOREVER to get to flyover country), Anaconda (fuck the haters, this movie is pure camp bliss of the highest order!). Even a lot of the middling stuff that came out that summer like Cop Land, Mimic, and The Negotiator seems to have a lot more personality than the average piece of garbage that comes out today. Having said this, I still think '99 has it trumped as far as overall quality in cinema throughout the entire year. And sad as it seems, even if there was another year that was as good (I guess we could take 2007 as an example...lots of fine films produced that year), I probably wouldn't be able to admit it to myself. I guess it's that protective nostalgia thing or something (to paraphrase Chris Rock: the best shit in the world to a person will always be the shit happening when he first gets laid).

Despite this, as far as I can tell, you and I both see more than our fair share (70 in '09...and counting) of movies released every year, hoping to reclaim this magic. That's to our credit (I think?). And despite your constant kvetching, you still do give a shit. Otherwise you wouldn't go out and see movies and post on movie message boards. You'd just stay at home and masturbate to that Vanity Fair cover 24/7. As it is, maybe you only do that 12/6 or so.

Anyway, it's 5:19 Eastern and I have no idea why the fuck I bothered to respond to you at such length. You just keep that fire burning, my friend.

comment #44

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Me and the Mrs. just finished watching a screener for AN EDUCATION and I really hope Jeff posts another Mulligan thread from Santa B, because I can't believe that neither him or anyone here has figured out the movie's giant Achilles heel.

Can no one really see why this film has been so unceremoniously dumped into the "also ran" category? Good lord, you would think Jeff had been back east for 10 years.

Hint: how do you win an Oscar in the documentary category?

Really, the fact I have seen no one here or elsewhere mention this aspect is simply mind blowing. Even a few sheets to the wind this was apparent.

comment #45

DeeZee says ...

Kane: Well, I graduated in '98, and so I only had Something About Mary, Very Bad Things and Happiness to comfort me. [Bulworth was better than I expected, too.] And 'Mary hasn't aged well since then. As for '97, the only movies I could stand from that year were Chasing Amy and Happy Together. Maybe one day I'll give L.A. Confidential a whack, though. Oh, yeah, I did love Face/Off, but it is just basically a distillation of Woo's earlier hits. The only movies I could stand in '99 were Dogma and that South Park movie. Fight Club wasn't bad, but I always felt the ending was a bit of a cop-out.

comment #46

BurmaShave says ...

1990 had GODFATHER III, THE TWO JAKES, and TEXASVILLE. Ouch.

comment #47

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Citizen and LexG:

GHOSTBUSTERS, tHE TERMINATOR, GREMLINS, SEARCH FOR SPOCK, BEVERLY HILLS COP, AMADEUS, PASSAGE TO INDIA, ROMANCING THE STONE, KARATE KID, FOOTLOOSE, PARIS TEXAS, BUCKAROO BANZAI, BIRDY, ALL OF ME, BLOOD FUCKING SIMPLE, BODY DOUBLE, BREAKIN', BREAKIN 2 - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO (name only is legend, wait for it, dary), DUNE, TEMPLE OF DOOM, LAST STARFIGHTER, GREYSTOKE, KILLING FIELDS, MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON, THE NATURAL, NEVERENDING STORY, NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA, FLAMINGO KID, NIGHT OF THE COMET, RED FUCKING DAWN, REPO MAN, REVENGE OF THE NERDS, SIXTEEN CANDLES, A SOLDIER'S STORY, SPLASH, STARMAN, STRANGER THAN PARADISE, POPE OF GREENWICH VILLAGE, STREETS OF FIRE, SWING SHIFT, TOP SECRETE! AND C.H.U.D.

Now THAT is a graduation year.

Die Hard 2? Con Air?

You guys got fucking shafted.

"Wolverines!"

"I'll be back"

"Wax on, was off"

"Bright light, bright light!!!"

"The more you drive, the less intelligent you are"

comment #48

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

"High school honor student by day, Hollywood hooker by night"

Now THAT is a trashy B movie.

And not having seeing L.A. CONFIDENTIAL is the ultimate proof that you have no business talking about movies, anywhere. Being able to only name two films from '99 confirms it.

comment #49

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

1) Damn the formatting and sorry about Attack of the Living Italics above.

2) Jeff, I think the timestamps on posts are inaccurate. I don't know if it affects the times when you post the original articles, but it's a solid 30 mins. off on the user comments. I don't know if this is anything new, just the first time I've noticed it.

3) Dee, I like that you've attempted to put the time/effort into actually trying to engage in a debate about the merits of specific films. Unfortunately, I've read your post over a few times and I'm still not sure I completely understood any one specific word within the context of the two words surrounding it. But I'll try to reply, anyway:

Luke's a great character because he actually has an arc throughout the three films. Check out his character's behavior (yes, comic relief when we first meet him...fair enough) in the first part of New Hope compared to the way he acts when he confronts Vader at the climax of Jedi. There's a palpable change there, but it builds subtly, hence it feels earned by the end. That trilogy absolutely does not work as well without him as the centerpiece of these movies, I can guarantee you that. People always say they like Han Solo better, but that's only because the archetype of anti-hero works best when there's an actual hero present to play off of.

How is blowing up the second Death Star a "pointless aside" -- as opposed to, you know, a major climactic plot point?

Yoga sessions?

comment #50

LexG says ...

Yeah, a LOT of great shit in '84, but doesn't make up for it being one of the most depressing, red-jacketed breakdancing FINAL CHAPTER, watching THE MAKING OF THRILLER years ever, all warm flesh-toned and 1:85'd even in memories. One of the worst years of my life, not making the cut football-wise and getting beaten up and thrown in lockers on a regular basis, just on the cusp of puberty and, having been raised SUPER CATHOLIC, feeling GUILTY about every new sensation, living my every day fearing my eternal soul will burn in FLAME AND HELLFIRE for having whatever tame impure thoughts I had about whatever pre-K-STEW earnest chick I was crushing on as an 11 year old.

Kaned's 1997 was a pretty solid year for me, even if I was a then-anicent 24... but it seemed like a fun, reasonable extension of my beloved '96, I was still relatively new to LA and having luck with women, plus '97 had two of the GREATEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME, Boogie Nights and Lost Highway, the latter of which had a soundtrack that I still listen to weekly to this day and is a perfect mix of Manson, metal, synth, NIN, industrial, lounge and wicked shit. HIGHWAY POWER, easily my favorite Lynch because it's THE MOST METAL and the sleaziest and the one that most coincides with my personal fetishes and hangups and fantasies.

comment #51

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Well, shit, Lex - we can talk about '82 if you want when BLADE RUNNER, WRATH OF KHAN, PORKIES, TOOTSIE and GHANDIE came out.

Meanwhile, DTG was having a torrid summer relationship with a 23 year old ER nurse between his 10th and 11th grade.

What can I say, AMERICAN WEREWOLF inspired me...

comment #52

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

DtG,

Yeah, yeah, I remember reading a few articles from AICN about the glorious summer of '84. That is one helluva hitlist, though...all released within 4 months of each other? Get outta here, I can't argue with that. I know when I'm beat, old man.

Agreed on L.A. Confidential's awesomeness. '97 was just a great year overall, I'm tellin' ya! The Game, Boogie Nights, Jackie Brown, The Ice Storm, The Devil's Advocate, Starship Troopers, Donnie Brasco, Breakdown, Gattaca, Lost Highway, In the Company of Men, Wag the Dog, etc., etc.

Okay, I've pleaded my case. Time for bed.

comment #53

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

A big YEP YEP on the LH soundtrack. Fuck all those people who automatically put soundtracks to musicals like Annie or Grease as the greatest of all-time. They have absolutely nothing on that massively eclectic -- but still sounding of one awesome whole -- selection from Lynch's nightmarish opus.

Also see similar nearly-perfect metal assemblages of sonic stylings in The Crow and The Wrestler.

Ok, gone for real.

comment #54

BurmaShave says ...

BALLLLLLS TO THE WAAAAALLL

comment #55

DeeZee says ...

Kane: Yeah, Luke gets a little more mature in the later installments, but he's now a boring guy who'll die a virgin [Unless he gets laid in the novel sequels?] and gets his ass kicked more often than he does the ass-kicking. [As opposed to the beginning of the series, where he might've eventually scored with Leia if they didn't make her his sister later on, and his latent powers start making a difference to the team.] I mean, seriously, why the hell would anyone think so much of a eunuch who does all that training [what I was referring to as "yoga sessions"] and is then forced to defer to other people jumping in at the last minute to get the job done? They really waste his potential.

And Grease would probably be a better soundtrack if Travolta could sing high notes.

Lex: Forgot about Boogie Nights. Yeah, that really was one of the best of '97, but got screwed at the box office by the fact that Marky Mark was in that shitty b-thriller a year earlier. Way fucking more depth, impact and character development than Titanic, though.

comment #56

Movie Watcher says ...

I always liked BTTF2 better than the first one. There was so much going on, and I never noticed that one motion in BTTF3, which I never liked that much.

comment #57

Gordon27 says ...

"But I have a feeling a pretty big part of this is due to the fact that this is easily the ugly duckling of what is overall a pretty entertaining trilogy."

Damn, I can't believe I'm the only one here who's going to take up this fight; wish I hadn't missed the convo before it died down.

Okay, so, I had never actually owned 'Back to the Future' (the first one) before. It's weird, I had a lot of videos growing up, but that one, as it was never on "good" cable, I never taped it, and I never bought it for some reason (was it one of those Spielberg movies that was only available periodically?). For some reason, at college, I caught it a whole bunch and then, when the DVDs came out, I bought the box.

When I was a kid, when they came out, I LOVED the second one and not the third one. I had the novelization of the second one, for some reason. So I was fully prepared to agree with everybody here... except I didn't.

The second one was terrible. after forty minutes, I thought to myself, "Well, it seems as if they basically wrote themselves into a corner with the end of the first one and got through it as quickly as possible to make a whole different movie" (which is basically what they say on the commentary). The future stuff is really awful. It has one highlight, which is Michael J. Fox in all the parts.

The middle, well, yeah, that stuff's great. The alternate 1980's is a high point for the series. But then, instead of advancing the movie at all, they go back in time and re-visit the original movie. It's maybe the laziest sequel move of all time.

The third one is a lot more fun and a lot more streamlined, and it shows you what the series could've aspired towards... it could've been various adventures through time periods, rather than just a bizarre trip through a Dante sort of Hell where everybody is trapped forever. I don't know that it would've been better, but it would've allowed for more interesting stories with those characters (assuming Zemeckis, not a very good writer, would've let 'em go).

The third one has its faults, sure, though all of them (except Steenburgen) are present in the second one too. But it's a tight little movie that doesn't get bogged down in explaining the details of paradoxes and time travel (which is good when you're ten and don't know it but bogs down the rewatchability).

And Thomas F. Wilson as Mad Dog Tannen is just great. Seriously, if it's been a while since you've seen the movie, throw it in and watch the gunfight. And remember, at the end of it -- he did that before 'Tombstone'.

comment #58

Gordon27 says ...

"they go back in time and re-visit the original movie. It's maybe the laziest sequel move of all time."

I meant to add, they re-visit the original, but have to cut around not having the best character from the original, Crispin Glover, for any of the new stuff.

comment #59

markj says ...

Yeah, 84 and 82 are pretty much unassailable. I mean, 1982 = E.T., Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan, The Thing, Blade Runner, Conan The Barbarian...!

comment #60

drbob says ...

"plus '97 had two of the GREATEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME, Boogie Nights and Lost Highway."

More and more, I'm coming around to the idea that Lost Highway is David Lynch's magnum opus. Not Eraserhead, not Blue Velvet, not Mulholland Dr. Lost Highway is where it all comes together.

comment #61

Josh Massey says ...

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to defend the summer of '88 (I didn't graduate until '94, but somebody needs to preach the summer I was finally old enough to ride my bike to the theater).

Die Hard, Coming to America, Midnight Run, A Fish Called Wanda, Bull Durham, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Tucker: The Man and His Dream, Young Guns, The Last Temptation of Christ, A Nightmare on Elm Street 4 (the best in the series), Big, Beetlejuice (an April release but still around), Rambo 3, Crocodile Dundee 2 (the Australia half is great), Married to the Mob.

I'd put it at a close second to '84, but those first five movies are legitmately all-timers.

comment #62

Eloi Manning says ...

Great thread. Sadly I had a fairly bland graduation summer of Spider-Man, X2 and Attack of the Clones. Although I suppose I had Road to Perdition, Signs and Minority Report also. I actually think I saw a lot of these at college due to international release dates.

comment #63

bluetide says ...

I believe he just said that he had to go pee.

comment #64

Ray DeRousse says ...

I just wrote an ode to LexG's wonderful memories:

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/star-wars-i/when-movies-matter-most.php

comment #65

Movie Watcher says ...

Summer of 1977: Star Wars. As someone who lived throgh that, there was no cable or vcr's. You had to see it when it came out. It was a good experience. Now when I see a trailer for a movie, I either think 'I've got to see this' or "I'll wait for the dvd.'

comment #66

BurmaShave says ...

Dee, I'd think you'd empathize with the celibate.

comment #67

CMed1 says ...

I graduated in '98, but the year for movies in my life was the following year, '99. A fresh faced college kid who hadn't thought yet that he'd just be a worker drone living an unfulfilled existence.

It's been argued to death already, but best movie year by far in my opinion. Fight Club and The Matrix gave me a rush of wow at the end of those flicks. American Beauty may be lame now, but it was awesome back then. American Pie and Election gave two very different perspectives on the high school experience. Being John Malkovich and Existenz were great mind f's. Any Given Sunday was Oliver Stone's last hurrah. Eyes Wide Shut was the first Kubrick I saw in a theater, where there were only 20 people and about a third of them walked out during the orgy scene. Great twist in The Sixth Sense, before people tried to guess twists in movies and before M. Night became predictable with his stories. Great theater experience on opening night for that one. The Insider, a great story that Michael Mann will never get close to again. Three Kings marked the beginning of the Clooney that is still around today. Magnolia with all of its pretentiousness that I got a kick out of. Man on the Moon with Jim Carrey finally realizing its hopeless to try and win an oscar. Finally, watching Episode I four times in the theater, trying to convince myself that it didn't suck.

comment #68

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Moviewatcher - you graduated in '77? Glad to know I'm no longer the "old man" on the board.

Kaned - that phrase will come back to haunt you when you are one. It's why I've never used it as a put down - only a matter of time. Plus, my dad worked out regularly until he was about 68 - 72. At 55 he could have still kicked my ass, so older was never automatically weaker in the DTG household.

comment #69

DeeZee says ...

Had to link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CEOySX_v2E , for some reason, now.

Cmed: Anyone who thinks American Pie had anything to fucking do with actual high school probably also thinks Juno's a realistic take on adolescence.

comment #70

Gordon27 says ...

DZ can't relate at all to movies about people in high school who have friends.

comment #71

Movie Watcher says ...

Groupie, graduated HS in '76.

comment #72

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Movie - then you get to have NETWORK, ROCKY, THE OMEN, ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13, ALL THE PREZ MEN, SILVER STREAK, CARRIE, TAXI DRIVER, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, THE SHOOTIST, THE ENFORCER and of course, KING KONG.

gordon - I'm always just amused when he posts corrections to his bad links, as if he feels like he let down his "fans."

comment #73

Gordon27 says ...

I laugh really hard when he goes back through one of his really long posts and corrects one word in one sentence, as if that's what it takes to make it sensible.

comment #74

LexG says ...

Ray DeRousse: Hey, man, that's pretty awesome! Thanks for the shoutout, and nice article!

I was a mere fifth grader, but 1983 was pretty huge for me; Even if the following movies aren't all all THAT brilliant, there's a definite "1983 vibe" of bad skintight alligator Polos, Gary Sandy hair, chicks in striped tube tops, everyone wearing headbands Aerobicized New Wave MTV sleaze that permeates every 2.35:1, shitty 3D, hazy soft focus, weird-ass sci-fi epic of '83.

BOW: Scarface, Flashdance, All the Right Moves, Risky Business, The Keep, Christine, The Dead Zone, Jaws 3D, Man Who Wasn't There 3D, Metalstorm 3D, Spacehunter 3D, Mortuary, Cujo, Superman III, Mr. Mom, Revenge of the Ninja, Videodrome, Sudden Impact, The Hunger, Twilight Zone: The Movie, Blue Thunder, The Star Chamber, Yor, Stryker, Porky's II, Without a Trace;

Again, a lot of terrible movies in there with the stone classics, but with the New Wave music and THRILLER and Synchronicity and MTV and Def Leppard and all, 1983 was a year with PERSONALITY.

comment #75

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

I meant to use "old man" jokingly, of course, not as any sort of snarky put-down. I know I'm well on my way there myself, although I still look and feel pretty damn good for my age, if I do say so myself.

But the matter of the fact is I am a little bit jealous of people who came of age in the 1980s. Watching movies like Conan, Blade Runner, Terminator, or Gremlins in theaters? That's the shit (although I did manage to catch Ghostbusters with my dad after hours of begging. It's not quite the first movie I ever saw in a theater, but it is the first that I can actually remember). Back when movies were movies and if you missed seeing them in first-run, you really felt like you missed an actual experience and there was that interminably long wait to video, unlike today's shorter-cycle, not to mention the comparative ubiquity of second-run, DTV, Netflix, internet-streaming, pirated copies, etc., etc.

I think if I had to pick just one brilliant thing Cameron did with Avatar, it was somehow finding a way to bring that old-school urgency back where people felt like they were really missing something if they didn't check it out -- and ASAP -- on the big screen.

comment #76

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Blue Thunder is awesome as hell, and also a fine example of an exact type of genre movie that Hollywood seems completely unable to to make for shit anymore.

You could also listen to the debut Stryper cassette in the car on the way to watch Stryker, which is sort of the cheesy greatness of the mid-80s personified for me.

Am I allowed to say this is a pretty awesome thread? This is why I keep coming here.

comment #77

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

While it might have been fun to come of age with the internet, my generation did get to do it with pretty awesome roll call of great films.And as we got older, with VHS and revivals we got to go back and appreciate all the great early 70's flicks we were too young for originally.

How awesome was my childhood? - I was 11 when STAR WARS came out.

No other generation got to lose their shit like we did. And while being into Trek mid-70's was a geek thing, EVERYONE went to see STAR WARS. It's really hard for kids today to understand just how mindblowing that film was in 1977.

comment #78

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

My post was #77 - unreal LOL

Ah, Kaned - we park our cars in the same garage indeed. BLUE THUNDER is a great genre film. Have it on laserdisc. I know that soundtrack very, very well. Used to be, after I got to LA every time I went by the Federal Building (or the out of focus building to some), I would remember the eavesdropping scene.

That and the mayor telling his aide after the missile blows up the Chinatown chicken place "Isn't that Ray's district? Better call his people before they call our people.." Just love that touch for some reason, really helps make the world the film exist in seem grounded.

comment #79

DeeZee says ...

Gordon: "DZ can't relate at all to movies about people in high school who have friends."

Sure, I can. Just not the bullshit kind of movies where the friends win the lottery and bang the latest Sports Illustrated models.

comment #80

LexG says ...

Just another fucking obsever. STERN POWER.

Also, McDowell is a fucking RIOT in the Thunder. Great Warren Oates support too... and good year for Badham, who cranked out both Blue Thunder and WarGames within mere months of each other.

comment #81

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Alyson Hannigan and Mena Suvari were in Sports Illustrated. Who knew...?

comment #82

Gordon27 says ...

DTG - apparently, everybody misunderstood DZ before; he never actually said he was wrong about 'Avatar', but he, in fact, is now claiming that he's been right all along!!!

comment #83

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Of course, the irony is that Jeff probably hates pretty much everyone of the films we are championing above in the 82 & 84 sections. So the fact that this thread is now creeping up on 100 while his Santa B stuff is withering on the vine is not sitting well presumably.

And you know he most assuredly detests BLUE THUNDER.

comment #84

DeeZee says ...

Deathtongue: Hannigan's done Maxim and underwear shots, so close enough.

Gordon: I never said I was right all along, either. I was just right if there wasn't a 3-d version.

comment #85

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Just how stupid are you, Daniel?

Big Stupid: the extra $3.5 on average that AVATAR is pulling in would still equal about $400M in domestic sales. Which is still double what you claimed it would make WORLDWIDE.

Epic Stupid: you didn't know there was a 3-D version.

You want to know, Daniel, why everyone assumes you must be some sort of colossal loser? Because only someone with nothing else going in their life would strive this hard to avoid admitting they were just simply wrong.

No equivocation, no rationalizations. "I fucked up." Word to the wise, bro - until you learn this, life is going to be that much harder. That and stop being a douchey thread jacker because it's Grade-A selfish Asshole rude behavior that has earned you no friends here.

I mean, fuck, my 9 year old daughter can say "my bad."

comment #86

DeeZee says ...

Deathtongue: Again, it's being boosted by 3-d. And yes, I did know. I just didn't think people would want to go broke watching it.

comment #87

BurmaShave says ...

DeeZee, do you know how many people have to see a movie for it to make almost 700 million dollars domestic. Sure it's boosted by 3D, but you're acting like it's not a hit at all, and that's what's driving us insane.

comment #88

DeeZee says ...

Burma: It's not a "real" hit in the sense that it did well solely because people wanted to see it on its own "merits", if that's what you mean. The 3-d thing makes Avatar into an up-start more than an underdog. That's something that it'll never have over the movies it beat without taking into account inflation.

comment #89

Gordon27 says ...

DTG - if you want the *real* epic stupidity, it's worth pointing out that if you add up DZ's two ceilings for how much the movie could possibly gross... its 2-D gross alone is more than that number.

comment #90

BurmaShave says ...

Ah yes DeeZee, all 3-D movies do extremely well. Remind me of the domestic on BEOWULF and A CHRISTMAS CAROL...

comment #91

Punchdrunk says ...

DZ

You are a gutless pussy.

End of story.

comment #92

DeeZee says ...

Gordon: Yes, but would the 2-d gross be that high if the film didn't have an optional 3-d format which caused people to see the 2-d version, because the 3-d version was sold out?

Burma: You're sort of supporting my argument that 3-d's a fad, and that Avatar won't stop the decline in box office attendance. But Beowulf and Carol would've down-right bombed if they *weren't* in 3-d. Now, they've just broken even.

comment #93

BurmaShave says ...

AVATAR probably won't stop the decline, but don't pretend that was ever your thesis.

comment #94

Gordon27 says ...

"Yes, but would the 2-d gross be that high if the film didn't have an optional 3-d format which caused people to see the 2-d version, because the 3-d version was sold out?"

So you're not only speculating that absolutely nobody who went to the 3-D version would've gone if it were in 2-D, but also that most of the people who went to the 2-D wouldn't have gone either?

And yet, it also proves that 3-D, now solely responsible for the highest grossing movie of all time, since Cameron forced people to pay the higher ticket prices and tricked them into deciding to go see it in 2-D when the 3-D was sold out, even though they only want to see it because it's in 3-D, is... shit, I've lost the train of that sentence, and that's just me trying to duplicate your logic. You're really going to have to stop and explain this more slowly, because I just can't make heads or tails out of your thesis. Why, it almost seems as if you're just claiming that everything, no matter what it actually means, is proof that 'Avatar' is not connecting with audiences.

comment #95

BurmaShave says ...

Daniel would have made a hell of a Soviet.

comment #96

Howlingman says ...

Great thread -- I graduated in '92, which gave us Basic Instinct, Alien 3, Bob Roberts, The Crying Game, Reservoir Dogs, El Mariachi, Glengarry Glen Ross, Hard Boiled, Husbands and Wives, The Last of the Mohicans, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, and Unforgiven.

And Deathtongue, you nailed it with our resident idiot. DeeZee has pretty much admitted he's unemployed, has no friends, has nothing going on in his life, which explains why he's so hell-bent on spinning facts as much as possible to claim he was "right" about Avatar. It's like, if he can be right about this one thing, it compensates for every other failure in his life -- he needs to be right, because the alternative is too grim for him to bear.

And that's a shame. I saw he actually engaged in an honest discussion about movies a while back on this thread -- a moment of clarity before his old snot-nose instincts took over and he reverted back to his old self.

comment #97

Movie Watcher says ...

Howlingman, Glengarry Glen Ross is great. Alec Baldwin yelling and getting in everyone's face.

comment #98

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Because my brain just won't get it's lazy ass out of the recliner in dealing with D.Z, I forgot one last level of stupid:

Legen-wait for it-dary Stupid: overseas 2-D grosses. Okay, fine, Daniel, let's assume without the 3-D grosses here AVATAR would have been the failure you predicted and won't admit your are wrong about. That still doesn't account for the fact that something like 80% of the gross overseas has been from non 3-D screenings.

Don't try to dodge it with xenophobic rationalizations that you can only explain the domestic (American & Canadian) box office.You tied them together with your boast that it wouldn't make $200M worldwide. It would be that big of a bomb.

Bottom line, that's $1.2 billion from plain ol' regular 2-D screenings.

Game. Set. Match.

Howlingman - decent list, especially MOHICANS, GLENGARY and UNFORGIVEN. However, you graduated a year too early for HARD BOILED unless you actually saw it at TIFF in the fall of '92. It didn't open here until '93 (Sundance, then limited runs that summer).

comment #99

Howlingman says ...

Deathtongue -- I went to Toronto for school in '92 and was there at TIFF when Hard Boiled unspooled at the Uptown Theater. One of the best movie going experiences of my life (and that was even with some loud guy named Quenten in the audience hollaring at the top of his lungs). Saw El Mariachi and Reservoir Dogs there also -- great way to kick off my college years.

comment #100

CitizenKanedforChewingGum says ...

Not sure how '92 stacks up against some of these other years here, but that was one helluva year to make it Toronto, Howlingman! Legendary lineup there.

First 100 message post of 2010 (I think...)!

comment #101

dogcatcher says ...

I can't believe how many people here think like me. Honestly, this is the only site I come to just to read the comments, because I think we all speak the same language due to the fact that we come from the same place in life (IMO.) BTW, I graduated in '92 and consider the summer of '84 to be a special summer for films. I've enjoyed all of your posts.

That being said, by comparison with the rest of you DZ is obviously just an immature child.

Most adults understand that life is a journey where you have to allow yourself to learn the various lessons that come with it, that's one of the benefits of growing up. Life is about trial and error. Living and learning and this is one of the first lessons you learn: no one is infallible.

That's where the "growing" part of "growing up" comes from.

Refusing to admit you're wrong doesn't make him look smarter, as DZ may believe, it makes him look like he has some sort of developmental problem. Because it's the intellectual equivilant of throwing a tantrum.

Normal people don't use "facts" to affirm their already pre-existing opinion, while ignoring all other "facts" which contradict it. Immaturity is what drives the belief that to admit being wrong is a sign of weakness.

Thus, normal grown adults use "facts" (where ever they may come from) to INFORM their opinions. Speculating or making predictions about something is fine, even if it doesn't come to fruition in the end. This wouldn't be evidence of stupidity of any sort. It happens all the time. DZ obviously had a thesis regarding the viability of 3D technology and films. That's fine. Many others, even intelligent people, shared similar opinions.

But to refuse to alter this opinion, even when overwhelming evidence contradicts it, is a sign of intellectual immaturity.

Simple as that...

It's just very obvious to me that DZ has a lot of growing up to do. Ultimately his obvious immaturity is what undermines ALL of his opinions.

That's all.

comment #102

DeeZee says ...

Gordon: "So you're not only speculating that absolutely nobody who went to the 3-D version would've gone if it were in 2-D"

If it were in 2-d only.

"but also that most of the people who went to the 2-D wouldn't have gone either?"

If there was no 3-d version they were shut out of, yes.

"Why, it almost seems as if you're just claiming that everything, no matter what it actually means, is proof that 'Avatar' is not connecting with audiences."

It's not connecting in the sense that it's a phenomenon on the level of Titanic, and not just a quick fix to get them through the winter holidays.

Howling: "It's like, if he can be right about this one thing, it compensates for every other failure in his life -- "

Has nothing to do with it. I just don't feel like having to sit through more pussified CG bullshit writing for a third decade.

Deathtongue: "That still doesn't account for the fact that something like 80% of the gross overseas has been from non 3-D screenings."

According to BOM, at least 60% of the overseas dough is from 3-D. Plus, the rest of the world also allegedly has fewer 3-d-ready screens than we do.

"Most adults understand that life is a journey where you have to allow yourself to learn the various lessons that come with it, that's one of the benefits of growing up. Life is about trial and error."

So contributing to more of the same generic garbage which is a bane on our culture and only helps faceless corporations like News Corp to continue to prop nut-jobs like Glenn Beck is growing up?

comment #103

Gordon27 says ...

"If there was no 3-d version they were shut out of, yes. "

The best part is that you don't understand why this statement is inherently unprovable, you actually think it's making a good point.

"It's not connecting in the sense that it's a phenomenon on the level of Titanic"

Ah, so 'Avatar' is not a success because it's not Titanic and 'Basterds' is not a success because it didn't save an entire company. Funny how you define success as something that is unreachable for anybody at all; I assume it makes you feel better about the perpetual state of failure that you call your life.

"I just don't feel like having to sit through more pussified CG bullshit writing for a third decade. "

That's too bad; Cameron is actually planning to use his 'Avatar' money to influence Congress to make screenings of his future movies mandatory, not optional as all the ones you've paid money you claim you don't have to go see in the past.

"Plus, the rest of the world also allegedly has fewer 3-d-ready screens than we do."

Ah, so, now you're saying that we should dismiss the 2-D grosses from places that don't have enough 3-D? In addition to dismissing all of their 3-D box office (as opposed to just the amount for the upgrade from 2 to 3-D).

Listen, if you're going to do all this work, why not just make up a number and claim that's what the actual gross of 'Avatar' is? It would be easier than having to re-bend the facts every time somebody points out how wrong you are.

"only helps faceless corporations like News Corp to continue to prop nut-jobs like Glenn Beck"

Yet again I will point out to you that corporate financing doesn't work that way, that profits from 20th Century Fox and profits from Fox News Channel are completely separate.

comment #104

Deathtongue_Groupie says ...

Actually, according to BOM (box office mojo) the % is 69, which means - gasp! - I was wrong. Or not - BOM cites no source for that figure, whereas several newspapers (inc. the LA Times) were reporting that many countries only saw 20% from 3-D as they don't have that many 3-D screens.

You're still stuck with the fact that even though it was well known AVATAR would be mostly available here in 3-D, you categorically proclaimed that Cameron's first film 12 years facing very little competition would bomb spectacularly.

comment #105

Gordon27 says ...

Begrudgingly, I have to admit to semi-admiring DZ's optimism; no matter how consistently he's completely wrong, he gets right back up, thinking to himself "Statistically, nobody can be 100% wrong 100% of the time, so if I just keep saying shit, something I say will probably come true." This would be a classic example of the "gambler's fallacy" except that, to make the metaphor work, the gambler has to be betting on purple at the roulette wheel (I mean, sure, that's slightly more likely than betting on DZ's brain working, but not *that* much more).

comment #106

BurmaShave says ...

This thread is toast, but I just rewatched KING OF NEW yORK (weird hours, haven't had to go in to work for a few days due to the blizzard). I would like to add an addendum to my previous statement on 1990 by saying it might be the best year for gangster films ever, with KING, GOODFELLAS, the underrated STATE OF GRACE and of course MILLER'S CROSSING. Incidentally, I was 8.

comment #107

Gordon27 says ...

that reminds me of a funny story. I must've been 11, since it had to have been late in '92... my dad brings home a movie, and I hear it has gangsters, so I'm excited. Turns out it's Millers Crossing. I didn't understand a word of it. I didn't exactly think it was bad, but I really couldn't follow it [I had a similar reaction to '2001' when I was 9 or 10; I understood it was older than me, but I wanted to try it]. Didn't really enjoy it. So, a few nights later, he brings home another gangster movie. And this time, I pass. The next morning, when I woke up, he said, "You gotta see this part." [Maybe he waited until later in the day.] He showed me the "Stuck in the Middle WIth You" scene, because it was 'Reservoir Dogs'.

But I didn't watch the actual movie until a few years later, when everybody else did.

comment #108

Howlingman says ...

Great story, Gordon. In 93, I brought a copy of Res. Dogs home and said near the exact thing to my dad. His reaction: "Jesus!"