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There was an LA screening last night of Oliver Stone's Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps (20th Century Fox, 4.23). A friend of a friend attended. The first blast (i.e., from the guy who talked to the guy) read as follows: "I've heard it's a strong return to form for both Stone and Douglas. It also proves Shia can play with the big boys. A surprisingly satirical movie. It's the first time I've heard a Stone movie described as 'fun.'"

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Satirical? Really? I asked for a bit more, and the following came in an hour ago: "It's an entertaining movie with Shia a better match for Douglas than Sheen, who was a stiff. It's a sardonic, slightly satirical film with Josh Brolin and particularly Frank Langella scoring well.

"Stone handles the show without either his heavy left hand or his neutered right one that made W not what we'd hoped it. Douglas is the big-ticket item, of course, and revisiting this character is clearly a joy for him as he navigates his way through a world where he's a player holding a very different hand. Gekko is dealing with stocks while taking his own, and seems like a cobra who's conflicted about whether to bite...or just charm.

"People will show up for this one, so Fox was right to get it out there quick."

I then wrote Wall Street 2 producer Ed Pressman, who got back with the following: "Oliver's first cut is brilliant, witty, complex and emotionally powerful. I couldn't be happier."

I was still kind of wondering about the slightly satirical element, so I called someone familiar with Stephen Schiff's original script.

"I don't know whether you ever read Schiff's script," he said, "but there are definitely satirical elements in it (the chatter of the hedge-fund guys, the huge Robin Hood Foundation-like charity gala, the Dubai material, the Russian oligarch, the Asian commodities specialist with his Maybach, etc.). Of course, Oliver has always been a fairly earnest filmmaker, but I don't think satire is particularly rare in his work.

"Natural Born Killers, whether you enjoyed it or not, is certainly satiric in intent from start to finish, and so is W. There is a lot of satiric content as well in Wall Street and Talk Radio and U Turn, and I would argue that there's some as well in Salvador, Nixon and The Doors.

"Keep in mind, too, that a lot of satire is in the playing. A line or a scene may or may not look satirical on the page, but can be turned in that direction in the performance and even in the cutting."

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Outside of documentaries, and perhaps Alexander, Stone has been almost strictly a satirist since '94.

At least I'd like to hope Any Given Sunday was satire.

Posted by Josh Massey at February 19, 2010 12:00 PM

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linaf says ...

Man, this is looking like a great film. I am happy for Shia, never understood the hate that he got. Also VERY happy for Stone, cant help but to like the guy.

Posted by linaf at February 19, 2010 12:03 PM

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Douglas is the real thing in my eyes for this reason - he's that rare breed who can handle films with wall-to-wall dialogue like WALL STREET as well as first-person narratives where the audience is with his character for the entire running time e.g. BASIC INSTINCT, THE GAME, WONDER BOYS. In essence, he can do some heavy fucking lifting.

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really looking forward to this, i've been a Stone fan forever (i'm among the minority who think that alexander is quite good and extremely underrated)

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mccool says ...

Looking forward to this, but ...

the chatter of the hedge-fund guys, the huge Robin Hood Foundation-like charity gala, the Dubai material, the Russian oligarch, the Asian commodities specialist with his Maybach, etc.

...good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches?

I dont think Sheen was a stiff ... I think he played the part of a wide-eyes kid from Queens with a blue collar background rather convincingly. It might not jive with the image that circle-jerk Wall Street haters have of brokers and bankers all being arrogant, narcissistic Scott-Cann-in-Boiler-Room types, but it's certainly representative of a lot of the kids I grew up with who went on to work on Wall Street. Yes, there are a ton of blue blood ivy league scumbags, but there are also a lot of working-class types from all over the country/globe who are smart with skills that are applicable in a field where there's tons of money to be made. They're not ALL douchebags.

Posted by mccool at February 19, 2010 12:44 PM

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Martin Sheen was my favorite character throughout. I doubt he'll make another appearance.

Posted by Colin at February 19, 2010 12:50 PM

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I don't think they had any other choice but to go satirical. They couldn't match the intellectual venom of the first, not with Stone so far past his prime. This is clearly a "what the hell" project, not an "I have something I need to say" project. The best you can really hope for is that it's entertaining, though ultimately I'm sure it'll be regarded as a slightly embarrassing addendum.

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Josh - I didn't see it, but I don't think 'World Trade Center' was meant as satire.

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reverent and free says ...

Hmm. In that case, they'll definitely need another trailer, because the two that are out have definitely pitched it as a straight drama. Loeb's script from last year (which is easily available online) reads pretty much like a serious morality drama to me too.

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I hope there is a scene where Shia goes to visit Hal Holbrook at the Wall Street sage's rest home and Hal lays down some homespun homilies for us to enjoy.

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Martin Sheen is credited to the cast on IMDb.

George, I think the old man in the film is Eli Wallach.

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I'm glad for all the players involved that the early buzz is good. Sometimes people become so wedded to popular sentiment that it colors their judgment of even new work.

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I agree with Sam, the hate toward this film and part of the cast was so ridiculous that it makes even more sweeter if this turns out a big hit. I get that people on internet tend to be nasty and negative about some topics, but sometimes its just too much.

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Posted by linaf at February 19, 2010 3:17 PM

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I'm mystified by the late April release of this--usually the last weekend is a dumping ground--and I think maybe this test (?) screening might help Fox decide whether to move it to the Fall for awards because opening against MacGruber and The Losers isn't going to help it bring in the guys who might normally see it.

Posted by EDouglasCS at February 19, 2010 3:39 PM

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I was thinking the same thing EDouglasCS. But as Jeff says, they may figure that with the topical subject matter it's good to get it out as soon as possible.

Posted by reverent and free at February 19, 2010 4:28 PM

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"...good Lord, want to throw in any other cliches? "

Oy. The ones mentioned would have to *be* "cliches" before you could get to "other" cliches.

And, yes, Charlie Sheen was quite "stiff" in WS, to put it mildly. And not every other broker in that film was portrayed as a douche. But if you had other points, I'm sure at least one of them would be a good one.

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"Josh - I didn't see it, but I don't think 'World Trade Center' was meant as satire."

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I thought Sheen was good. He had no notably bad moments. He handled the dialogue scenes with Douglas well and the emotional ones with his Dad.

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This better get an R. I don't want a Pg-13-ified Stone or Douglas.

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Sheen was a damn good actor throughout the '80s - his only real missteps were Young Guns (seriously enjoyable flick, but he was a totem pole) and the Platoon voiceover.

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Re EDouglasCS' post:
Thought I read (maybe on Deadline.com) that THE LOSERS is being moved to early June since WB has high hopes for it.

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...and then it was moved back.

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re reverent's post:
Too bad. If THE LOSERS and THE A-TEAM had opened close to each other, there would have been an interesting MARS ATTACKS/INDEPENDENCE DAY vibe going on.

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Hard to believe that Charlie Sheen was only 21 years old at the time of shooting ... 2 years younger than Shia at the time of shooting Street 2. I thought Charlie handled himself well in that movie; he looked the part, looked mature, I completely bought him in that role.

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They moved Losers and then moved it back. I talked to Sylvain White (the director) about it... I think most of us assumed they had to do reshoots or something after its test screening but he says that wasn't the case and that they were just figuring out a good time to release it. Not sure late April is it... neither it nor MacGruber is going to have much legs cause every theatre is going to give Iron Man 2 all the screens they can.

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I dont know why they dont move this to April 9, outside from a Tina Fey comedy is a pretty clear weekend. The 23 date is too crowded. Not only could do better, but also could have better legs.

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linaf: It'll only be a big hit if it didn't go over-budget on Shia's salary and shooting in NYC. And if you can get the 18-25 demo to stop negatively equating Wall Street brokers with frat-boy Republicans, Christian recruitment booths, and the greedy Boomers who put them in this Great Recession in the first place. The first one did really well for its budget and time, but even a bigger film like Predator, from that same year hasn't been able to strike lightning twice. So a sequel to a film which clearly skewed towards a different mind-set and generation of movie-goers is an even riskier bet.

The problem with The Losers is none of the actors are recognizable and the concept doesn't scream "must-see". It feels like a limp cash-in on S.W.A.T. seven years too late.

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DeeZee: The Losers doesn't look like SWAT very much, but it does look like the A-Team which is opening the week later, if they are sticking with their current release date. It feels like a March movie but they're opening it in the peak of summertime, which is an odd move.

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LaBeouf was on Jimmy Kimmel last night promoting the film. But they need to really get moving next month with the marketing. I've only seen the trailer in the theater once, before Edge of Darkness, and that was the teaser. I thought for sure the full trailer would be before Shutter Island, but no.

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